Heroica: Glory Amongst The Stars - General Discussion

[Zepher]

The defend and rally appear to the do the same thing, albeit with different stat pools. Is that correct? Rally makes sense to me, but defend seems like it should be defensive instead of boosting offense?

[Waterbrick Down]

4 minutes ago, Zepher said:

The defend and rally appear to the do the same thing, albeit with different stat pools. Is that correct? Rally makes sense to me, but defend seems like it should be defensive instead of boosting offense?

It probably needs to be better worded in the rules. The intention is for the Defend action to add your Skill dice to your ally's Skill dice the next time they try and avoid damage.

[Duvors]

20 minutes ago, Zepher said:

The defend and rally appear to the do the same thing, albeit with different stat pools. Is that correct? Rally makes sense to me, but defend seems like it should be defensive instead of boosting offense?

The intent is that the additional dice from Defend are added to the roll you make to reduce damage when attacked, whereas Rally is added to the roll you make when you attack someone. There are a couple places in the WiP classes that refer to the former as an 'Armor Check' and it may be a good idea to retroactively add this term to the main rules.

[Classic_Spaceman]

4 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

"I was going to suggest a ten percent cut from our job - If you stand down and help us - but if you don't want the creds, I guess that'd be your loss." 
Yelana glanced around at Zaria and Soren, before looking back at Tvilgards. 
"You want to revise your offer?" 

Does this fall under the category of "Try Something"? 
 

[Waterbrick Down]

13 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

Does this fall under the category of "Try Something"? 
 

It would, if successful the Stowaways probably won't target her.

[Classic_Spaceman]

1 minute ago, Waterbrick Down said:

It would, if successful the Stowaways probably won't target her.

OK. 👍
Is it possible to get an enemy to surrender via proficiency checks, or, once begun, must a battle proceed until one side is dead? 
 

[Duvors]

1 hour ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

Is it possible to get an enemy to surrender via proficiency checks, or, once begun, must a battle proceed until one side is dead? 

There is no hard and fast answer to this. In general yes, but without specific rules it's ultimately down to MM fiat.

[Waterbrick Down]

2 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

OK. 👍
Is it possible to get an enemy to surrender via proficiency checks, or, once begun, must a battle proceed until one side is dead? 
 

It is possible to simply fight till you knock the other side unconscious. Getting them to surrender is also a possibility, but considering the party is in combat, the check is very difficult.

[Duvors]

@Khorne @samurai-turtle The current rally action Polaris is taking won't affect Felix until next round as they come after Felix in the turn order. If you want a rallied attack this round Felix would have to rally Polaris. Also please note that if Varen dies they won't be able to participate in the rest of the quest as per the rules, I doubt KotZ would enjoy that.

[KotZ]

I personally would like to not die.

[Zepher]

On 7/12/2021 at 3:15 PM, Waterbrick Down said:

It probably needs to be better worded in the rules. The intention is for the Defend action to add your Skill dice to your ally's Skill dice the next time they try and avoid damage.

Okay, that's what I figured. I'm pretty ready with a character once I decide on a race (if anyone wants to pick one for me... I will be asking someone else to build the mini so maybe it'd be fun to see the mini first and build out the character from there...)! I wanted to go support spell caster, but it seems like there is a good way to play support (offense) by boosting smarts, or support (defense) by pumping skills. That's interesting.

On 7/13/2021 at 2:58 AM, Waterbrick Down said:

It is possible to simply fight till you knock the other side unconscious. Getting them to surrender is also a possibility, but considering the party is in combat, the check is very difficult.

Would the check be lower if they roughed up the enemy a bit first? 

This is the original load out I'm imagining. Is there no way to buy Vitality/Velocity directly? They are linked exclusively to Strength/Skill?

Character Points: 0/10
Vitality: 5/5
Velocity: 2
Strength: 1
Skill: 2
Smarts: 2
Spirit: 3
Proficiencies: Occult 1, Religion 1, Persuasion 1, Insight 1
Known Spells: Healing Light, Mystic Binding, Gravity Sink
Credits: 10
Equipment: ???

I like the Thudaal, Valtar, Celestials, and Quarm. I know I'm putting a lot on other people, but I feel like it'd be interesting to try to let others help build a character somewhat, and then explore them? It's something I've never done before in an RPG. So, any of those races feel interesting or underrepresented or challenging to me or would be an interesting fit with the proficiencies I threw out (I feel like in this system, proficiencies are the initial base of a character).

[Zepher]

Finally, WBD, since you're playing another heavy spell caster I was checking out your character. It looks like you have four spells prepped, but only 3 spirit? Is this a mistake? Or does your "Nature 2" somehow come into play here?

[Duvors]

29 minutes ago, Zepher said:

This is the original load out I'm imagining. Is there no way to buy Vitality/Velocity directly? They are linked exclusively to Strength/Skill?

You can buy both directly the same way you buy other attributes; 2 points for every +1. Also you can buy additional proficiencies for 1 point each without increasing Smarts.

4 minutes ago, Zepher said:

Finally, WBD, since you're playing another heavy spell caster I was checking out your character. It looks like you have four spells prepped, but only 3 spirit? Is this a mistake? Or does your "Nature 2" somehow come into play here?

WBD's character started with the 'Researcher' kit, which gives them an item (Holo-Scroll) that grants an additional spell.

33 minutes ago, Zepher said:

I like the Thudaal, Valtar, Celestials, and Quarm. I know I'm putting a lot on other people, but I feel like it'd be interesting to try to let others help build a character somewhat, and then explore them? It's something I've never done before in an RPG. So, any of those races feel interesting or underrepresented or challenging to me or would be an interesting fit with the proficiencies I threw out (I feel like in this system, proficiencies are the initial base of a character).

I could do something, but the only way I can get decent lighting for a photo is to take it outside and it's been raining a lot around here recently. I'll see if I can do anything.

[samurai-turtle]

4 hours ago, Duvors said:

@Khorne @samurai-turtle The current rally action Polaris is taking won't affect Felix until next round as they come after Felix in the turn order. If you want a rallied attack this round Felix would have to rally Polaris. Also please note that if Varen dies they won't be able to participate in the rest of the quest as per the rules, I doubt KotZ would enjoy that.

I thought the order was getting changed... 

[Zepher]

1 hour ago, Duvors said:

You can buy both directly the same way you buy other attributes; 2 points for every +1. Also you can buy additional proficiencies for 1 point each without increasing Smarts.

But there's not really a reason to do that re: velocity / vitality. If it costs 2 points to increase strength by one (which inherently increases vitality by one), and 2 points to increase vitality by one, why wouldn't someone always select the strength+vitality option?

And thank you for the Holo-Scroll answer. Good item to know about!

[Waterbrick Down]

3 minutes ago, Zepher said:

But there's not really a reason to do that re: velocity / vitality. If it costs 2 points to increase strength by one (which inherently increases vitality by one), and 2 points to increase vitality by one, why wouldn't someone always select the strength+vitality option?

And thank you for the Holo-Scroll answer. Good item to know about!

The bonus to Vitality is for every 2 points of Strength. So you have to invest 8 total points into Strength to = 2 extra points of Vitality. Or you can just invest directly in Vitality for 4 points. Admittedly when creating a character for the first time your best investment is to put 2 points into Strength. However after that first investment if you're just interested in raising Vitality its more economical to just spend points directly on it.

[Zepher]

Gotcha, gotcha, okay I'm following now. Not trying to be a stickler, just want to make sure I understand the system. So is that stat block I posted up thread correct? I spent no points of Velocity, but have 2 in skill and so it bumps? Is it +1 Vitality/Velocity on multiples of 2 (2, 4, 6, 8) or on multiples of 2 +base:1 (3,5,7,9)?

[Kintobor]

9 minutes ago, Zepher said:

Gotcha, gotcha, okay I'm following now. Not trying to be a stickler, just want to make sure I understand the system. So is that stat block I posted up thread correct? I spent no points of Velocity, but have 2 in skill and so it bumps? Is it +1 Vitality/Velocity on multiples of 2 (2, 4, 6, 8) or on multiples of 2 +base:1 (3,5,7,9)?

Multiples of two, to my understanding.

[Waterbrick Down]

14 minutes ago, Zepher said:

Gotcha, gotcha, okay I'm following now. Not trying to be a stickler, just want to make sure I understand the system. So is that stat block I posted up thread correct? I spent no points of Velocity, but have 2 in skill and so it bumps? Is it +1 Vitality/Velocity on multiples of 2 (2, 4, 6, 8) or on multiples of 2 +base:1 (3,5,7,9)?

Multiples of 2 (2, 4, 6, 8, etc.). The stat block is correct.

A few builds:

  

[Waterbrick Down]

Celestial

[Waterbrick Down]

34 minutes ago, CMP said:

Definitely not what I was expecting for your first character, but I absolutely love it. 

[CMP]

Just now, Waterbrick Down said:

Definitely not what I was expecting for your first character, but I absolutely love it. 

I have an extremely limited number of LEGOs, but I am pleased with how it turned out.  

[KotZ]

Hey you're back!

[Classic_Spaceman]

On 7/13/2021 at 10:08 AM, Waterbrick Down said:

MM Note: Good questions, Abam and Maba can move independently on their respective turns. The shelves do not provide cover out right, but they are available for creative uses.

Is this just a game-mechanic, or can Tvilgards actually split and rejoin at will? 
 

58 minutes ago, CMP said:

Yissam♥ (CMP)

@CMP: Your image link appears to be broken. 😕
 

[CMP]

14 minutes ago, KotZ said:

Hey you're back!

I am indeed. I meant to post this as soon as I got back from a trip home, but life is now busy-ish. 

7 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

 

@CMP: Your image link appears to be broken. 😕
 

Did that fix it? It took some doing to actually figure out how to get photos onto EB, I'd forgotten what a ridiculous process it was.