Indiana Jones 2023 - Rumors & Discussion

[legoturtle]

Is there a BIG difference (Nazis + Soviet) vs. (Castle + Pirates + Western) ...? 

Edited December 23, 2023 by legoturtle

[Black Falcon]

On 12/23/2023 at 5:04 AM, legoturtle said:

Is there a BIG difference (Nazis + Soviet) vs. (Castle + Pirates + Western) ...? 

Uhm, yes there is. Both of the first are certain factions from the past, which both certainly aren´t famous for their good deeds. The second, while there surely was also cruelty, and lots of dead people don´t depict any real faction. Matter fact, when you look back even in the old Lego Sets, you had Native Americans aswell as Soldiers and Cowboys. But the sets were not designed to let the Soldiers fight against the natives, but against Bandits. of course you could still have played with them in any ways you liked - but given the time those sets came out Lego actually was very progressive back then - as for Pirates and Castle, while there were wars there too, you can´t really compare them with what the Nazis did. 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Black Falcon
Removed a sentence that sounded rather harsh.

[legoturtle]

I think Indiana Jones is fiction, fantasy... even there is real world things from history. I think if can watch Indiana Jones movies - we should also have sets from them. For example newest movie (Dial of Destiny). It would be nice to have that Nazi train. If problem is kids - then just put 18+ in the box. Same with games, movies, tv-shows.

[BrickBob Studpants]

2 hours ago, legoturtle said:

For example newest movie (Dial of Destiny). It would be nice to have that Nazi train.

Well that train has long departed  The theme is over and likely never coming back. Even if it did, there’s no way DoD would get any set representation after it flopped at the box office. The only chance was this summer, and they squandered it

[Max_Lego]

6 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Well that train has long departed  The theme is over and likely never coming back. Even if it did, there’s no way DoD would get any set representation after it flopped at the box office. The only chance was this summer, and they squandered it

[Black Falcon]

2 hours ago, legoturtle said:

I think Indiana Jones is fiction, fantasy... even there is real world things from history. I think if can watch Indiana Jones movies - we should also have sets from them. For example newest movie (Dial of Destiny). It would be nice to have that Nazi train. If problem is kids - then just put 18+ in the box. Same with games, movies, tv-shows.

If they wanted to do that they wouldn´t have canceled the sets. There is no way they will release them now.

[legoturtle]

I think they have cancelled 1 set. (Temple of Doom) BUT we don't know about future. It is possible that Disney will reboot franchise. There is no Harrison Ford but someone else. Adventure movies will be made in the future also. It would be waste of money to forgot Indiana Jones completely.

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TLG makes so many Star Wars sets even in 1 year. It won't be a problem to make 10 new Indy sets some day. AND if we are realistic - think about those 3 sets. I just bought this lost temple, where are snakes. I paid only 27 € and it is amazing. I am just building a MOC out of it which be very similar but better and a bit bigger. That you can see the treasure and so on...

[Rogue Redcoat]

8 minutes ago, legoturtle said:

It is possible that Disney will reboot franchise. There is no Harrison Ford but someone else. Adventure movies will be made in the future also. It would be waste of money to forgot Indiana Jones completely.

Yeah, I think that Indy will get another show, and if they wanted they could just not put the Nazis or the Russians in at all, just do some classic adventures fighting other archeologists. 

20 hours ago, Murdoch17 said:

Sure, let's turn a PG film franchise into typical Saturday morning kids fare - featuring Nazis!

I'm certainly not here to dispute that the Nazis were awful people, but I'm pretty sure that the TV show never showed them it focused on young Indy and his adventures during WW1. Also, a movie like the first or second nowadays would certainly get a PG-13 rating some state that this was the kickstart for the whole 13+ rating. 

[JaBaCaDaBra]

to bad they didnt release the Mark VII

[legoturtle]

If we think about that last movie, Dial of Destiny. They started work that first time in 2008... so sometimes in movie business things take so much time. There are so many difficulties, not just the money problem - who pays and so on.

It is impossible to think about that Indiana Jones franchise some how disappears. There is not any sense. I really think that Nazis and that time period would make exciting adventure. Also it would be interesting to see some kind of temple, full of traps and mysteries / puzzles. If it takes half of the film time, that's fine.

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The IDEA why Nazis work as a villains so well is about Hitlers obsession for these "paranormal myths" ... he ordered Nazis all around world to find treasures. AND idea is if Nazis get those treasures first - they will benefit from those... and evil faction wins. Indiana Jones is fictional professor and archaeologist. 1 guy against empire. Not bad. Ok of course Indy has he's allies.

Edited December 23, 2023 by legoturtle

[Mandalorianknight]

17 hours ago, Black Falcon said:

So now the question remains, why you desperately want Nazis in Lego sets?

I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to accuse legoturtle of, but connecting someone's desire to have the main villains of the franchise in sets to whatever you're trying to imply is pretty gross.

8 hours ago, legoturtle said:

The IDEA why Nazis work as a villains so well is about Hitlers obsession for these "paranormal myths" ... he ordered Nazis all around world to find treasures. 

It's one of the things people don't often remember about hitler- the dude legitimately believed that the sort of things the nazis were after in indiana jones were real. They also (alongside the soviets) work well as indy villains for him to kill because... well, who else? If he's just fighting rival archeologists, that's all well and good for a race-to-get-it-first sort of thing, but you can't exactly have him drop professor blinglesmaldish for wanting to collect the treasure himself. If he's fighting the natives/originals owners of the artifact, it gets a little dicey in the "indiana jones is our protagonist" department. But you're not gonna have many people angry at him for shooting nazis or commies.

9 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Well that train has long departed  The theme is over and likely never coming back. Even if it did, there’s no way DoD would get any set representation after it flopped at the box office. The only chance was this summer, and they squandered it

Yup, it's become pretty clear that if we ever do get more sets- likely a few years out at minimum, and if we get any, it'll be under icons- they'll be based off the originals trilogy (and even then, maybe not even ToD)

[Black Falcon]

6 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to accuse legoturtle of, but connecting someone's desire to have the main villains of the franchise in sets to whatever you're trying to imply is pretty gross.

I wasn´t trying to imply anything - however, I agree with you that reading it again, you can get the impression that I did.

Howevery the discussion seems to run in circles, since none of the Arguments against having them in sets, which I am pretty sure we will not see, nor against Indiana Jones sets in general in the new future is really answered to ;). 

 

 

[legoturtle]

We have to remember that there might be sets from other things than movies. For example a game. Future of Indiana Jones is a mystery BUT I am 100 % sure that it is not going anywhere or disappearing. Then there are these other themes / subthemes like "moments" ... we don't know what happens in the future.

Also I really hope we get Adventures sets... Johnny Thunder & Pippin Reed. We got Orient Express train for example. It is also related to Indiana Jones. I am just saying that not all sets have to I.J. it can be something very similar.

[BrickBob Studpants]

57 minutes ago, legoturtle said:

We have to remember that there might be sets from other things than movies. For example a game. Future of Indiana Jones is a mystery BUT I am 100 % sure that it is not going anywhere or disappearing.

I like your optimism, but if the final movie can’t get even a single set, what chance do games and other media stand?  Also, Lucasfilm seem to only do SW now. Willow is dead too, after all. In my eyes, the franchise is over.

[legoturtle]

I think they will respect Harrison Ford... and after he is gone, they will reboot the franchise. Nazi's as an enemy might be a problem at the moment. Disney is a problem. They want to make something different than these classic movies (Indy, SW). AND best thing is that Marvel is going down. We have to have something new.

BUT you are all right. Lets rest indy for a moment.

[Mandalorianknight]

7 hours ago, Black Falcon said:

Howevery the discussion seems to run in circles, since none of the Arguments against having them in sets, which I am pretty sure we will not see, nor against Indiana Jones sets in general in the new future is really answered to ;). 

I think we can pretty definitively state that lego's ok having them in sets so long as they aren't labeled as such, seeing as we got a nazi pilot in the plane chase set this year.

4 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

I like your optimism, but if the final movie can’t get even a single set, what chance do games and other media stand?  Also, Lucasfilm seem to only do SW now. Willow is dead too, after all. In my eyes, the franchise is over.

Willow was never as relevant as Indy, but you're right overall. Lucasfilm even dropped that book adaption they bought the film rights to. They're sticking to star wars for the time being

4 hours ago, legoturtle said:

We have to have something new.

But therein lies the issue- Indy isn't "something new", and Indy without Harrison Ford is a pretty big risk, seeing as it flopped even WITH him this year.

[legoturtle]

What was the reason Indy flopped? If you look Rotten Tomatoes, it shows that audience liked, critics did not. I think the last chapter was BAD ... they should have gone all the 100 % ... to the end. BACK to year ... well you know... that year. To that city ... in the middle of that war... u nou... 

[Black Falcon]

7 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I think we can pretty definitively state that lego's ok having them in sets so long as they aren't labeled as such, seeing as we got a nazi pilot in the plane chase set this year.

Yeah, they will just add them as generic soldiers and are done with it, if they would ever happen to do a set like that. 

7 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Willow was never as relevant as Indy, but you're right overall. Lucasfilm even dropped that book adaption they bought the film rights to. They're sticking to star wars for the time being

Willow was just not very well made honestly. There were moments where it seems like someone is waving a flag with "we just don´t care about that franchise" on it. 

7 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

But therein lies the issue- Indy isn't "something new", and Indy without Harrison Ford is a pretty big risk, seeing as it flopped even WITH him this year.

They have done it with other franchises, and they failed and succeeded with them. In the end it will depend on how (good) they will do it.

5 hours ago, legoturtle said:

What was the reason Indy flopped? If you look Rotten Tomatoes, it shows that audience liked, critics did not. I think the last chapter was BAD ... they should have gone all the 100 % ... to the end. BACK to year ... well you know... that year. To that city ... in the middle of that war... u nou... 

In the end what matters isn´t if people that watched it liked it, but how many people watched it - ofc if more people like it, it is also more likely more people will watch it. But when you read the comments in this very thread about it, the opinions were kinda mixed. I haven´t watched it myself yet so can not judge it.

[spiderfan2000]

I just got the Temple of the Golden Idol as a Christmas Gift! I look forward to building it, though I can only hope that LEGO decides to revisit the franchise again someday 

[SpacePolice89]

On 12/23/2023 at 3:16 AM, Black Falcon said:

Why does it have to be Nazis? Indiana Jones is about Adventure, not about Nazis. You can replace them just by any generic bad guy (and especially in a series made for kids you don´t need to have one in every episode). For instance you could just have someone that wants the treasures for his own collection like the opponents in Lego´s inhouse-Adventurers series. 

I agree. While the Nazis are the perfect villains in the movies because of the time period and their ruthlessness they are not suitable for Lego sets. Having Nazi minifigures goes against the values of Lego.

[legoturtle]

2 hours ago, SpacePolice89 said:

I agree. While the Nazis are the perfect villains in the movies because of the time period and their ruthlessness they are not suitable for Lego sets. Having Nazi minifigures goes against the values of Lego.

And what about Castle, Pirates, Western for example? ... Soviet in Indiana Jones sets? AND Star Wars is fine because laser does not kill? LOTR & Hobbit? Pirates of the Caribbean... mmm... really?

[Murdoch17]

5 minutes ago, legoturtle said:

And what about Castle, Pirates, Western for example? ... Soviet in Indiana Jones sets? AND Star Wars is fine because laser does not kill? LOTR & Hobbit? Pirates of the Caribbean... mmm... really?

Do we really, REALLY have to collectively explain the difference between pirates, cowboys, fictional evil empires, and REAL evil empires again? Soviets and Nazis are NOT Darth Vader or Sauron.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Murdoch17

[Mandalorianknight]

I don't know why we're hashing this out again- again, guys, lego actively made a nazi pilot fig this year for the plane chase set. They're clearly ok with it, they just don't label them as nazis on the box.

[Pop Star c o]

On 12/25/2023 at 10:19 PM, spiderfan2000 said:

I just got the Temple of the Golden Idol as a Christmas Gift! I look forward to building it, though I can only hope that LEGO decides to revisit the franchise again someday 

I got it for Christmas, too.

[Yperio_Bricks]

2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I don't know why we're hashing this out again- again, guys, lego actively made a nazi pilot fig this year for the plane chase set. They're clearly ok with it, they just don't label them as nazis on the box.

And the flight suite was actually pretty accurate!