Indiana Jones 2023 - Rumors & Discussion

[THELEGOBATMAN]

44 minutes ago, DrHenryJonesJr said:

Then we'll get a teaser in January.

We're thinking that something is finally coming, scratching our fingers under the table, just wanting to say "Shut up and take my money"

Then we hear nothing for almost 1.5 months and then the wildest speculations, rumors and much more about the topic begin and LEGO doesn't say a word about it.

And then it goes on like the last few weeks.

While all Star Wars fans have been allowed to play with their sets for almost 25 years, Harry Potter fans have been allowed to play with their sets for many years, etc.

That's frustrating.

So too dramatic?

Really? I don't think so :-D

The thing is, we didn't actually get a teaser. LEGO has never officially even mentioned Indiana Jones sets. The only thing we got were leaks.

I also don't see why you brought up Star Wars and Harry Potter. They are both much more popular than Indiana Jones. Both are relevant to this day — while Indiana Jones has been dormant for two decades, and it'll stay that way after this year.

A lot of people on this forum act like LEGO has some weird sort of obligation to make statements about those sets, or reveal them whenever people expect them to — but they don't. They aren't obliged to do anything. Leaks are leaks, they weren't meant to be seen.

[BrickBob Studpants]

1 minute ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

The thing is, we didn't actually get a teaser. LEGO has never officially even mentioned Indiana Jones sets. The only thing we got were leaks.

The Smyths teaser was official though. Or do you suggest they went rogue and published that without permission from TLG?

[THELEGOBATMAN]

29 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

The Smyths teaser was official though. Or do you suggest they went rogue and published that without permission from TLG?

They probably did.

Did Brickshop get LEGO's permission yesterday?

[DrHenryJonesJr]

38 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

The thing is, we didn't actually get a teaser. LEGO has never officially even mentioned Indiana Jones sets. The only thing we got were leaks.

I also don't see why you brought up Star Wars and Harry Potter. They are both much more popular than Indiana Jones. Both are relevant to this day — while Indiana Jones has been dormant for two decades, and it'll stay that way after this year.

A lot of people on this forum act like LEGO has some weird sort of obligation to make statements about those sets, or reveal them whenever people expect them to — but they don't. They aren't obliged to do anything. Leaks are leaks, they weren't meant to be seen.

I mentioned in my post that the Indiana Jones topic may only address a relatively small target group from a global perspective.
I was just generally concerned with the fact that the fans of these two topics are adequately addressed and the Indiana Jones fans have not in the last 14 years, which is partly understandable.
But now that we finally have the chance to get something, of course, we are eagerly awaiting it.
A Star Wars or Harry Potter fan who sees a set being canceled may not be happy either, but at least has countless alternatives or can say I'll just wait 3 months for the next wave or 2 years until the topic comes up again.
We can assume that this will almost certainly be the last time we receive anything from this series.
Unless, at some point, there would be an Indiana Jones 50th anniversary set or something similar.

But as I said, you're all right, of course, and it's also clear that LEGO has no obligation to do anything, my comment that it's just a toy ultimately goes something in that direction.
On the other hand, to a certain extent there is also a kind of responsibility towards the environment, politics, religion, quality, sustainability and also towards the fans that a company takes on when products are developed.

But I want to stop my "whining" now anyway :-) I think I just go into other comments way too often and too much and go into too much detail, which usually makes me melancholic while writing :-D

Let's just look forward to getting sets (hopefully) soon and see what's in store.
In the end, we have no choice but to do just that anyway

5 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

They probably did.

Did Brickshop get LEGO's permission yesterday?

Unlikely

Edited March 9, 2023 by DrHenryJonesJr

[BrickBob Studpants]

9 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

They probably did.

Did Brickshop get LEGO's permission yesterday?

Publishing finalised pictures too early and customising a teaser by inserting your own logo are two things.

Let’s assume Smyths did that without permission. Where did that teaser picture come from then? TLG haven’t used it themselves, and it’s far too late now!

In all likelihood, TLG made that picture for Smyths to use. Granted, it‘s weird they didn‘t then proceed to also use it themselves, but maybe they just forgor

[DrHenryJonesJr]

5 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Publishing finalised pictures too early and customising a teaser by inserting your own logo are two things.

Let’s assume Smyths did that without permission. Where did that teaser picture come from then? TLG haven’t used it themselves, and it’s far too late now!

In all likelihood, TLG made that picture for Smyths to use. Granted, it‘s weird they didn‘t then proceed to also use it themselves, but maybe they just forgor

Since the image in the SmythsToys teaser appears to be the same as the graphic on the boxes in the top right corner, it can only have been provided by Lego, can't it? Only LEGO can know what image they are branding with.

[BrickBob Studpants]

7 minutes ago, DrHenryJonesJr said:

Since the image in the SmythsToys teaser appears to be the same as the graphic on the boxes in the top right corner, it can only have been provided by Lego, can't it? Only LEGO can know what image they are branding with.

It’s not the same. In the Smyths teaser, the whip is curled up, while it’s fully extended in the artwork on the box.

Still, it has the Lucasfilm trademark on the side and everything. I highly doubt Smyths did that without explicit permission from TLG

[DrHenryJonesJr]

1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

It’s not the same. In the Smyths teaser, the whip is curled up, while it’s fully extended in the artwork on the box.

Still, it has the Lucasfilm trademark on the side and everything. I highly doubt Smyths did that without explicit permission from TLG

That's correct, my fault

[DrHenryJonesJr]

The first review video for the 77012 can be found on youtube, @MandRproductions

I still don't link directly because it's not officially announced yet

[Tariq j]

I do wish they'd come up with a smoother way of detaching the wings. I think the old set had a mechanism where you had to push down on part of the cockpit which released both wings. In this set you have to take them off manually which feels a bit clunckier in comparison. It's a good set though. 

Edited March 9, 2023 by Tariq j

[Retro Brick Reviews]

33 minutes ago, Tariq j said:

I do wish they'd come up with a smoother way of detaching the wings. I think the old set had a mechanism where you had to push down on part of the cockpit which released both wings. In this set you have to take them off manually which feels a bit clunckier in comparison. It's a good set though. 

Yeah, but I'm not sure there would be a way to have them securely attached at the correct angle if there was a mechanism involved. I think it was a fair trade-off.

[BrickBob Studpants]

Well, even Promobricks are now saying that a release of the DoD sets is looking more and more unlikely since retailers cannot order them

Combined with TLG’s omission in the DoD merch press release, I think we have to come to terms with the reality that these three sets are all there is to this pathetic half-baked failure of a revival. This whole thing is starting to frustrate me to the point I’m not even looking forward to the movie anymore.

What an absolute sh*tshow

[PsychoBuilder]

5 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Well, even Promobricks are now saying that a release of the DoD sets is looking more and more unlikely since retailers cannot order them

Where are you seeing this?

[DrHenryJonesJr]

2 minutes ago, Brickroll said:

Where are you seeing this?

LEGO Indiana Jones 2023 Neuheiten: Offizielle Bilder veröffentlicht (promobricks.de)

"Die vier weiteren LEGO Indiana Jones Sets tragen aller Voraussicht nach die Nummern 77016 bis 77019 und werden wohl auf Indiana Jones 5 basieren. Wann und ob überhaupt die Sets veröffentlicht werden ist inzwischen aber fraglich. Wie wir aus Händlerkreisen erfahren haben, war ein Bestellen der bislang unbekannten LEGO Indiana Jones Neuheiten noch nicht möglich, was auch einen Release in absehbarer Zeit immer unwahrscheinlicher werden lässt."

"The four other LEGO Indiana Jones sets are likely to be numbered 77016 to 77019 and will probably be based on Indiana Jones 5. When and if the sets will be released at all is now questionable. As we have learned from dealer circles, it was not yet possible to order the previously unknown LEGO Indiana Jones novelties, which also makes a release in the foreseeable future increasingly unlikely."

 

[BrickBob Studpants]

4 minutes ago, Brickroll said:

Where are you seeing this?

https://www.promobricks.de/lego-indiana-jones-2023-neuheiten/159229/

Again, it’s not conclusive evidence, but even sets releasing in October are listed. If those four sets were still coming, why can’t retailers order them and why wasn’t TLG announced as one of the licensees?

Call me a pessimist, but I’m convinced TLG really did cancel the whole wave for whatever unfathomable reason and now release the three remaining sets with as little care, effort, and fanfare as possible, simply to fulfill the contract with Lucasfilm, and that’s it.

[Kaijumeister]

14 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Call me a pessimist, but I’m convinced TLG really did cancel the whole wave for whatever unfathomable reason and now release the three remaining sets with as little care, effort, and fanfare as possible, simply to fulfill the contract with Lucasfilm, and that’s it.

Given the poor Summer lineup for Star Wars, this just isn’t a good year for Lego-Lucasfilm sets in general.

At this rate, either the sets are significantly delayed or are Lego exclusives for whatever reason, or (more likely) they just aren’t happening. Anxious to see what the official theme reveal will have to say on this.

 

[Legofan2001]

Lego not be stupid (impossible challenge) 

Okay seriously though how in the actual f*ck do you botch the return of Indiana Jones this badly?????? I’m at the point where I don’t believe the temple of doom was cancelled for going against terms or having a bad build. It was cancelled because all of Indiana Jones breaks the terms hence why Indy 5 sets are now dead as well. Heck the ONLY reason these 3 sets are even releasing IMO is because they were so far into development that they needed to just dump them to recoup the costs. Just insanely idiotic all around and enraging.

[Gorilla94]

I don´t get why lego did the complete development process for the Temple of doom set and then cancels it because of it´s "problematic" themes... I´d understand if Harrison Ford suddenly acted like Ezra Miller and now nobody would want merchandise with his face on it or something like that, but all the criticism about the sceene this set is based on is several years old. The person responsible for burning this money should be fired. With that money they could have made for example another simpsons building.

What do you guys think? As far as I can tell the set had a new cool horn piece. Lego has to use it somewhere else, don´t they? :/

[Mandalorianknight]

56 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

https://www.promobricks.de/lego-indiana-jones-2023-neuheiten/159229/

Again, it’s not conclusive evidence, but even sets releasing in October are listed. If those four sets were still coming, why can’t retailers order them and why wasn’t TLG announced as one of the licensees?

Call me a pessimist, but I’m convinced TLG really did cancel the whole wave for whatever unfathomable reason and now release the three remaining sets with as little care, effort, and fanfare as possible, simply to fulfill the contract with Lucasfilm, and that’s it.

Unfortunately, I think you're spot on. This is egregious to me. If the choice was just to not take the theme in general, I'd be annoyed at whoever made that choice. But the fact that someone decided to cancel it AFTER THEY PRODUCED SETS? Someone should be fired over this.

18 minutes ago, Legofan2001 said:

Lego not be stupid (impossible challenge) 

Okay seriously though how in the actual f*ck do you botch the return of Indiana Jones this badly?????? I’m at the point where I don’t believe the temple of doom was cancelled for going against terms or having a bad build. It was cancelled because all of Indiana Jones breaks the terms hence why Indy 5 sets are now dead as well. Heck the ONLY reason these 3 sets are even releasing IMO is because they were so far into development that they needed to just dump them to recoup the costs. Just insanely idiotic all around and enraging.

The temple seems to have been as far along as the other three, so my guess is that they did decide something in it "went against brand values" (AKA they were worried about some 14 yr old girl on twitter complaining). Other than that, I think you're spot on. Something spooked them off from making the theme, so they only released the three sets solely to recoup some of their losses and fulfill the contract of releasing SOMETHING.

2 minutes ago, Gorilla94 said:

 I´d understand if Harrison Ford suddenly acted like Ezra Miller and now nobody would want merchandise with his face on it or something like that

THIS IS ANOTHER THING! They're still releasing the set with Ezra Miller, despite the fact that he's committed a TON of crimes over the past few years. That's ok but Indy isn't?

[BrickBob Studpants]

47 minutes ago, Kaijumeister said:

Anxious to see what the official theme reveal will have to say on this.

It’s simple: nothing. I guess they will just unceremonously be dumped on s@h without any other kind of acknowledgement

Points in favour of the DoD wave still getting released:

• The set numbers existing at one point, which honestly doesn’t mean much
• The extremely small chance they were delayed, which is absurd as they had an entire additional year to work on them thanks to the movie’s delay.

Points speaking against a release:

• No part counts or prices
• TLG not being mentioned among the official licensing partners for DoD
• Retailers not being able to order them
• The release date of the other three sets. Why June, if another wave is coming? Wouldn’t a widespread April release have made much more sense in that case?

Edited March 9, 2023 by BrickBob Studpants

[strangely]

6 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

The temple seems to have been as far along as the other three, so my guess is that they did decide something in it "went against brand values" (AKA they were worried about some 14 yr old girl on twitter complaining). Other than that, I think you're spot on. Something spooked them off from making the theme, so they only released the three sets solely to recoup some of their losses and fulfill the contract of releasing SOMETHING.

There's no proof it ever went that far though. There's been no factory leaks from that set, all we got was one blurry image from a survey. So there's no evidence it actually went into production like the other sets. Just because there was a picture doesn't mean it was ever approved for production.

I also doubt the whole 'brand values' theory. Lego has always used those as a rough guideline and how they interpret those values has varied on a case by case basis which is why we have Lego Stranger Things, The Simpsons and the large array of PG-13 movie tie-ins of the last 2 decades.

As for the lack of announcement, I'm not particularly troubled by that either. There's a lot of factors that might have led to that. Just the constant delays may have screwed up their promotion schedule. Or they might simply be waiting on Disney to start their advertising push for the movie to start announcing everything.

It's also possible that Disney is trying to keep a fair amount of secrecy surrounding this project, especially since it's Harrison Ford's last portrayal of Indy. So they might have decided to have Lego push back production on Dial of Destiny sets, especially given the heavy amount of leaks that Lego has.

[BrickBob Studpants]

4 minutes ago, strangely said:

There's been no factory leaks from that set, all we got was one blurry image from a survey. 

What survey? That was leaked boxart, and it was in the same stage of development as the other three sets. They look identical to the finalised versions!

5 minutes ago, strangely said:

It's also possible that Disney is trying to keep a fair amount of secrecy surrounding this project, especially since it's Harrison Ford's last portrayal of Indy. So they might have decided to have Lego push back production on Dial of Destiny sets, especially given the heavy amount of leaks that Lego has.

Still doesn’t explain why TLG is missing from the list of licensees.

[Legofan2001]

1 minute ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

What survey? That was leaked boxart, and it was in the same stage of development as the other three sets. They look identical to the finalised versions!

Still doesn’t explain why TLG is missing from the list of licensees.

The extra hair-hat mold in each set also IMO points to the Indy 5 sets/Temple of Doom being canned. Also it’s bizarre that we’re just over 3 weeks from release and still not even a HINT about Indy from lego.

[Retro Brick Reviews]

12 minutes ago, strangely said:

I also doubt the whole 'brand values' theory. Lego has always used those as a rough guideline and how they interpret those values has varied on a case by case basis which is why we have Lego Stranger Things, The Simpsons and the large array of PG-13 movie tie-ins of the last 2 decades.

Not to mention that one of the sets that actually is releasing literally includes a historically accurate Nazi pilot when that uniform isn't even visible in the movie. Brand values, my butt.

Hypothesizing the ToD was cancelled due to the film's more objectionable aspects made sense as a knee-jerk reaction, but that idea just doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Hopefully we find out some day what really happened behind the scenes (or, ideally, the set just comes out), but that's most likely not it.

2 minutes ago, Legofan2001 said:

The extra hair-hat mold in each set also IMO points to the Indy 5 sets/Temple of Doom being canned. Also it’s bizarre that we’re just over 3 weeks from release and still not even a HINT about Indy from lego.

...In what way does that POSSIBLY point to the other sets being canned? I don't even disagree that they probably are, I just don't see the particular logic here.

Edited March 9, 2023 by Retro Brick Reviews

[Legofan2001]

7 minutes ago, Retro Brick Reviews said:

Not to mention that one of the sets that actually is releasing literally includes a historically accurate Nazi pilot when that uniform isn't even visible in the movie. Brand values, my butt.

Hypothesizing the ToD was cancelled due to the film's more objectionable aspects made sense as a knee-jerk reaction, but that idea just doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Hopefully we find out some day what really happened behind the scenes (or, ideally, the set just comes out), but that's most likely not it.

...In what way does that POSSIBLY point to the other sets being canned? I don't even disagree that they probably are, I just don't see the particular logic here.

They probably overproduced the new Hair-Hat mold in preparation for the new sets so they just decided to include them in these 3 sets instead.