Indiana Jones 2023 - Rumors & Discussion

[BrickBob Studpants]

12 minutes ago, DrHenryJonesJr said:

No news article, no Instagram post, no VIP pre-order, nothing.
So why announce DoD sets when LEGO hasn't even properly announced or hyped the April Wave.

Well, there was that post on the Hungarian FB page, but not much beyond that. Unless you count LAN reviews, that’s a form of announcement too, in a way Too late for pre-orders anyway.

We shall see what happens to this theme. The vague wording of the official statement is what makes me hopeful. Why use the terms „consolidation“ and „launch“ if this wave was all they had planned? And why not just straight up say that 77014 was cancelled, like they did with the Osprey or the dynamite factory? In fact, 77014 wasn‘t even mentioned in that statement! 

I think they‘re being vague here on purpose. So unless they come out and confirm that nothing else gets released, I won‘t accept these cancellation reports as fact.

[PGBQW]

9 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

While it is certainly strange, the sets being cancelled is not the only possible explanation

Them never existing at all is another possible explanation.

53 minutes ago, DrHenryJonesJr said:

So why announce DoD sets when LEGO hasn't even properly announced or hyped the April Wave

But we're not expecting DoD sets to be anounced, we're expecting evidence of them existing on the first place.

[BrickBob Studpants]

Just now, PGBQW said:

But we're not expecting DoD sets to be anounced, we're expecting evidence of them existing on the first place.

Promobricks reported the set numbers last year. So they did exist at some point!

[PGBQW]

8 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Promobricks reported the set numbers last year. So they did exist at some point!

They did? Okay, that changes it for me.

Now we play the waiting game

[BrickBob Studpants]

14 minutes ago, PGBQW said:

They did? Okay, that changes it for me.

Now we play the waiting game

Yes. Along with descriptions for 77012-15, they reported the numbers 77016-19

Sure, no update since, but this has me confident that something is coming. Maybe they‘re all exclusives, or the retailers will not be able to order them until later, or some other weird thing is happening. But I refuse to believe that an entire wave of sets has been scrapped, and based on a new movie to boot!

That‘d be the stupidest decision in the history of the company by a wide margin. It would make the whole Galidor fiasco look smart in comparison!

[sammy_zammy]

15 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

an extremely odd move  Why would they ever do that?

In that case that must be what’s happening 😉

[BrickBob Studpants]

34 minutes ago, sammy_zammy said:

In that case that must be what’s happening 😉

While I may give them too much credit, you’re not giving them enough  I’m sure there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation for all of this. We just need to wait to find out what it is.

Also, the more I think about it, the less sense a complete cancellation of the DoD sets makes.

Let’s assume that these three sets are actually all there is this year. Why did they keep the April release date then? Wouldn’t it make more sense to release them to coincide with DoD’s theatrical release to ride the hype wave? Sure, they’re based on two other movies, but it would still make more sense  

The only real reason to keep the wave in April is to have some distance to another wave. Sure, production capacities are a thing, but postponing sets doesn’t seem to be much of an issue.

Also, DoD is notably absent, no mention of it, neither in the descriptions, nor on social media. Even the instruction booklet of 77015 doesn’t refer to it by name. This is curious, as they now don’t have any way to tie these sets in with the movie marketing. Unless more is coming, that is.

Furthermore, recent movies (Avatar TWoW) and shows (Mando S3) got LEGOfied posters shortly before the respective reveals. Why not recreate the DoD teaser poster to hype up the “only”sets if those actually were the only ones?

I realise that none of this is conclusive evidence, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to still hope for a DoD wave in July or so.

Actually, I’m willing to take on a bet (and no, it doesn’t include the removal of any extremities @THELEGOBATMAN)  I bet there will be another wave of Indy sets this year. If I lose, those willing to join the bet can pick a new avatar for me. Only conditions are that it should still include a SpongeBob minifig and brick-built elements (and please, nothing offensive, I don’t wanna get whacked by the banhammer )

Edited March 15, 2023 by BrickBob Studpants

[THELEGOBATMAN]

5 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Promobricks reported the set numbers last year. So they did exist at some point!

They actually didn't tho.

The four other LEGO Indiana Jones sets are likely to be numbered 77016 to 77019 and will probably be based on Indiana Jones 5.

See? Likely, probably. My guess would be that they've heard we might get four more sets later, and assumed the rest.

[BrickBob Studpants]

7 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

See? Likely, probably. My guess would be that they've heard we might get four more sets later, and assumed the rest.

Granted, they did say that in regards to the set numbers. However, they also clearly stated that we would get 8 sets, no “probably” about that

[DrHenryJonesJr]

1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Actually, I’m willing to take on a bet (and no, it doesn’t include the removal of any extremities @THELEGOBATMAN)  I bet there will be another wave of Indy sets this year. If I lose, those willing to join the bet can pick a new avatar for me. Only conditions are that it should still include a SpongeBob minifig and brick-built elements (and please, nothing offensive, I don’t wanna get whacked by the banhammer )

I'd take the bet, but like I said, I totally agree. DoD sets could come if they were ever generally planned. As long as the film is a commercial success and the content does not emphasize or refer to military or religious themes and there are scenes that would fit into a LEGO set.

We don't know that yet.

However, if the points are correct, I could think of no reason why nothing more should come.

Maybe I'd still assume they'll be known after or just before the film's release and they'll come in a fall wave, but not that they won't come at all.

[BrickBob Studpants]

Also, another point: Either this wave is meant to tie in with DoD, or it’s not. If it is, why release them without any sort of acknowledgement of the new movie? They could’ve said something like “celebrate the return of Indy to the big screen with these three sets based on (two of) the classic films!” Instead, they act as if DoD didn’t exist.

And if it’s not, why even delay the three sets in the first place? 2022 made as much sense for random non-DoD Indy sets as 2023 does.

They could’ve avoided a lot of questions too, since now, they’re only gonna annoy people looking for DoD sets after seeing the movie and not finding any. If there are no DoD sets, that is. After more than 20 years of licensed LEGO sets, people are simply used to new movies getting tie-in sets  FB:SoD is the only exception I can think of, but that can be ignored as very few people cared about those movies, let alone the sets

Edited March 15, 2023 by BrickBob Studpants

[Kaijumeister]

53 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Also, another point: Either this wave is meant to tie in with DoD, or it’s not. If it is, why release them without any sort of acknowledgement of the new movie? They could’ve said something like “celebrate the return of Indy to the big screen with these three sets based on (two of) the classic films!” Instead, they act as if DoD didn’t exist.

And if it’s not, why even delay the three sets in the first place? 2022 made as much sense for random non-DoD Indy sets as 2023 does.

They could’ve avoided a lot of questions too, since now, they’re only gonna annoy people looking for DoD sets after seeing the movie and not finding any. If there are no DoD sets, that is. After more than 20 years of licensed LEGO sets, people are simply used to new movies getting tie-in sets  FB:SoD is the only exception I can think of, but that can be ignored as very few people cared about those movies, let alone the sets

Hey now, let’s not disregard the woes of the 3.6 people worldwide who wanted Fantastic Beasts sequel sets.

I mean, I totally agree with the principle of what you’re saying, but I can think we can all agree that Lego has become very sloppy as of late when it comes to their communication and sense of consistency. The mistakes they seem to be making are increasing in frequency and magnitude, especially since COVID.

[BrickBob Studpants]

6 minutes ago, Kaijumeister said:

I mean, I totally agree with the principle of what you’re saying, but I can think we can all agree that Lego has become very sloppy as of late when it comes to their communication and sense of consistency. The mistakes they seem to be making are increasing in frequency and magnitude, especially since COVID.

Fair enough. But there’s a big difference between making mistakes here and there and bringing back a theme in time for a new movie, and then completely ignoring that movie’s existence 

 

[RichardGoring]

39 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Fair enough. But there’s a big difference between making mistakes here and there and bringing back a theme in time for a new movie, and then completely ignoring that movie’s existence 

 

I don't know, but there could be licensing implications of mentioning the new movie, so they distance the current sets from it to avoid fees or paperwork or reseller agreements.

[BrickBob Studpants]

17 minutes ago, RichardGoring said:

I don't know, but there could be licensing implications of mentioning the new movie, so they distance the current sets from it to avoid fees or paperwork or reseller agreements.

They mentioned The Rings of Power in the LOTR section on s@h even though they don’t even have the license for that show. Alluding to the newest instalment in a franchise they do have an active license for should thus be fair game

[Legofan2001]

Supposedly this person is from the ambassador network 🤷‍♂️

I have no clue what “not being launched” even means but once again lego refuses to give any clarity on this topic. Also mandr said that he heard the Temple Of Doom was in production for one day and got pulled after for unknown reasons. He also says a target employee commented on a stream of his and said that it is coming in august 🤷‍♂️

[Falconfan1414]

8 minutes ago, Legofan2001 said:

Supposedly this person is from the ambassador network 🤷‍♂️

Jay is apart of the ambassador net work 

Edited March 15, 2023 by Falconfan1414

[Jdrewg]

49 minutes ago, Legofan2001 said:

Supposedly this person is from the ambassador network 🤷‍♂️

I have no clue what “not being launched” even means but once again lego refuses to give any clarity on this topic. Also mandr said that he heard the Temple Of Doom was in production for one day and got pulled after for unknown reasons. He also says a target employee commented on a stream of his and said that it is coming in august 🤷‍♂️

If it's the same Jay, he publishes an excellent website/blog:

https://jaysbrickblog.com/

[Legofan2001]

3 minutes ago, Jdrewg said:

If it's the same Jay, he publishes an excellent website/blog:

https://jaysbrickblog.com/

Lego needs to clarify what is going on like now. If the set is cancelled why didn’t they say so on the press release? If the set is delayed why didn’t they say so? Why are they allowing LAN members to post the leaked pictures publicly? If the set is cancelled at what point did it get cancelled? If the rumor is true that it was production for one day how many were made and why did production stop? I don’t understand why these people in LAN won’t ask these obvious questions (outside the fact they’re paid shills) but seriously this whole saga is pathetic and embarrassing. 

[BrickBob Studpants]

So, the wording was just pure corporate BS after all. Well okay, after reading that blog post, my hopes have been completely and 100% dashed. Serves me right for getting my hopes up, against my better judgment  Now I feel dumb.

So yeah, I retract anything positive I recently said in this thread. I’m switching sides again, I’m a triple agent!!

Not trying to be hyperbolic, but despite how good the three sets are, this is by far the absolute worst revival of any theme ever. I can’t think of any other license that has ever been treated as poorly as this. Even one-off random stuff like Trolls, Minions, Angry Birds, Prince of Persia etc has been treated way better with a lot more sets, minifigs, and new parts!

For instance, the only new piece we have here is Indy’s hat. Not even a new pith helmet for Belloq or a more accurate hat for Sr.  Just cheap.

I can’t believe I’ve been looking forward to this revival for so long and this is all we’re getting.

My hype for the movie has effectively been killed too, because all I can think of now is how much they messed this up. Maybe it’s for the better. I heavily dislike a majority of timetravel stories anyway

[Legofan2001]

26 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

So, the wording was just pure corporate BS after all. Well okay, after reading that blog post, my hopes have been completely and 100% dashed. Serves me right for getting my hopes up, against my better judgment  Now I feel dumb.

So yeah, I retract anything positive I recently said in this thread. I’m switching sides again, I’m a triple agent!!

Not trying to be hyperbolic, but despite how good the three sets are, this is by far the absolute worst revival of any theme ever. I can’t think of any other license that has ever been treated as poorly as this. Even one-off random stuff like Trolls, Minions, Angry Birds, Prince of Persia etc has been treated way better with a lot more sets, minifigs, and new parts!

For instance, the only new piece we have here is Indy’s hat. Not even a new pith helmet for Belloq or a more accurate hat for Sr.  Just cheap.

I can’t believe I’ve been looking forward to this revival for so long and this is all we’re getting.

My hype for the movie has effectively been killed too, because all I can think of now is how much they messed this up. Maybe it’s for the better. I heavily dislike a majority of timetravel stories anyway

There is literally no point to even bother bringing back Indy because if he’s right and the Temple of Doom is dead than the rumors about Indy 5 sets being dead are also likely. Very interesting how the temple of doom is bad for whatever reason but not a literal Nazi Plane with accurate Nazi Pilot 🙄

[THELEGOBATMAN]

Definitely expected.

[RichardGoring]

3 minutes ago, Legofan2001 said:

There is literally no point to even bother bringing back Indy because if he’s right and the Temple of Doom is dead than the rumors about Indy 5 sets being dead are also likely. Very interesting how the temple of doom is bad for whatever reason but not a literal Nazi Plane with accurate Nazi Pilot 🙄

I think you are overblowing this far too much. Personally I'm THRILLED that we have the Temple of the Golden Idol set. It is by far the most iconic part of Indiana Jones, has excellent functions, looks great, and I really don't know how you could improve it in any meaningful way for a LEGO set. It's probably at the optimal price point too.

Yes, there's lost potential, but to say that you might as well just cancel the whole thing is a rather absurd thing to say given the three that have been released. Of course, it's very easy for you to not get any of them while others enjoy what they get immensely.

3 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

They mentioned The Rings of Power in the LOTR section on s@h even though they don’t even have the license for that show. Alluding to the newest instalment in a franchise they do have an active license for should thus be fair game

True. Although you might look at it a bit differently and say that they don't have a relationship with Amazon, so can use it, but maybe Lucasfilm told them not to explicitly as part of the license agreement they have. But yes, this is clutching at straws looking for a reason when there probably isn't one. And it's probably pointless to speculate now anyway given Jay's comment.

[BrickBob Studpants]

7 minutes ago, RichardGoring said:

Yes, there's lost potential, but to say that you might as well just cancel the whole thing is a rather absurd thing to say given the three that have been released. Of course, it's very easy for you to not get any of them while others enjoy what they get immensely.

As great as these three sets are, they’re just not enough to balance out the huge disappointment. I was expecting a Potter-style comeback, and instead all we get is this tiny wave  Yeah, that partially goes on me for having such high expectations, but still. We were promised 8 sets, and now we’re standing here with less than half of that.

All the while, random licenses like that Gabby dollhouse baby show get four sets that will 100% end up at the bottom of bargain bins. And of course, they will most likely come with an insulting number of unique new pieces

[Jdrewg]

Why am I picturing Veruca Salt?