LEGO Star Wars 2022 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[PreVizsla]

1 hour ago, lego the hutt said:

Where do Rogue One, Solo and Mandalorian sets factor into this?
What would the chart look like with TCW and PT combined?

Idk about chart which is problematic imo because we don't know what type of sets did chart maker count, but i have a full list of sets.
Episode I : 34 sets (17 of them for the phantom menace release 1999-2002)
Episode II: 18 sets (9 of them for the attack of the clones release 2002-2003)
Episode III: 43 sets (16 of them for the revenge of the sith release 2003-2006)
+ PT: 5 UCS sets
The clone wars: 60 sets
Episode IV: 46 sets (no reason)
Episode V: 37 sets (no reason)
Episode VI: 36 sets (no reason)
+ OT: 28 UCS sets, 2 master builder sets and 5 helmets ( no reason) 
Rebels: 13 sets (13 of them for rebels tv show release 2014-2017)
Resistance: 2 sets (2 of them for resistance tv show release 2019)
Rogue one: 9 sets (9 of them for Rogue one movie release 2016-2017)
Solo: 8 sets (8 of them for Solo the star wars story release 2018)
The Bad Batch: 1 set (1 of them for the bad batch show release 2021)
The Force Awakens: 18 sets (17 of them for TFA movie release 2015-2017)
The last jedi: 14 sets (14 of them for TLJ movie release 2017-2019)
The Rise of Skywalker: 10 sets (10 of them for TROS release 2019-2020)
The Mandalorian: 9 sets (9 of them for show release 2019-2021)
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We have 5 OT helmets, 2 master builder sets, 28 OT UCS sets and 119 sets.
We have 5 PT UCS sets and 95 sets of which 42 were directly tied to movies and released before 2006.
We have 0 ST UCS sets and 42 sets of which 41 were directly tied with movies.
Didn't count promotional sets, calendars, polybags, mini builds, buildable figures, planet series, brickheadz or micro fighters which all lean MASSIVELY towards OT side.

[jdubbs]

1 hour ago, PreVizsla said:

We have 5 OT helmets, 2 master builder sets, 28 OT UCS sets and 119 sets.
We have 5 PT UCS sets and 95 sets of which 42 were directly tied to movies and released before 2006.
We have 0 ST UCS sets and 42 sets of which 41 were directly tied with movies.

With the exception of the UCS sets, which are obviously heavily tilted to the OT, that's actually not as out-of-whack as I might have expected. Lumping in the TV series and anthology movies with their respective trilogies, seems you would get 156 PT-era (incl. CW and BB), 158 OT-era (incl. Solo, Rebels, RO, and Mando), and 44 ST-era System sets.

Edited November 23, 2021 by jdubbs

[lego the hutt]

31 minutes ago, PreVizsla said:

Idk about chart which is problematic imo because we don't know what type of sets did chart maker count, but i have a full list of sets.
Episode I : 34 sets (17 of them for the phantom menace release 1999-2002)
Episode II: 18 sets (9 of them for the attack of the clones release 2002-2003)
Episode III: 43 sets (16 of them for the revenge of the sith release 2003-2006)
The clone wars: 60 sets
Episode IV: 46 sets (no reason)
Episode V: 37 sets (no reason)
Episode VI: 36 sets (no reason)
 

Of course I'm not verifying the numbers but, basing it on the above list the spread is way less than I thought. 

We all know there have been more OT UCS sets than PT sets.  It's probably because more older fans tend to be able to afford larger sets?  Whatever the reason, it is a given there are way more more OT UCS sets.  Hopefully as more PT fans get into their 30's and have more money we will see more PT UCS sets over the next decade or so? So the question then comes down to normal size/price point, system scale type sets.
 
As a fan I tend to consider TCW sets and Prequel sets similarly because they are from the same time frame and contain a lot of the same features (clone troopers/vehicles etc).
The question I asked in the previous post was:
"What would the chart look like with TCW and PT combined?"  Here is the answer using the above numbers:  
OT:119
PT/CW: 155
I'm surprised by that given how vocal some people are about it being the other way.   Though there is the point that the PT/TCW sets came out mostly a long time ago when those shows/movies were current. That's where the chart on the previous page is helpful because it broke it down by year. 

I wonder what it would look like if we combined PT/TCW sets but only included the last 10 years so we got a much more recent perspective?  It's hard to estimate just looking at that chart.

[jdubbs]

5 minutes ago, lego the hutt said:

The question I asked in the previous post was:
"What would the chart look like with TCW and PT combined?"  Here is the answer using the above numbers:  
OT:119
PT/CW: 155

If you're going to include CW with PT then I think it's only fair to include Solo, RO, Rebels, and Mando with the OT. Yes, Solo is midway between the PT and OT, but the aesthetic is definitely OT, and it is Empire, which is how a lot of people define OT. Mando likewise could be OT or ST but being closer chronologically to the OT and using the same Stormtroopers, TIEs, etc., it seems much more OT than ST.

That gets you to 158 OT sets, on par with the PT.

[lego the hutt]

9 minutes ago, jdubbs said:

If you're going to include CW with PT then I think it's only fair to include Solo, RO, Rebels, and Mando with the OT. Yes, Solo is midway between the PT and OT, but the aesthetic is definitely OT, and it is Empire, which is how a lot of people define OT. Mando likewise could be OT or ST but being closer chronologically to the OT and using the same Stormtroopers, TIEs, etc., it seems much more OT than ST.

That gets you to 158 OT sets, on par with the PT.

 Rebels could be questionable as well...though personally I feel like we also got some good clonetroopers in the rebels sets that tied in with my PT displays but you have to draw a line somewhere.  I'm not sure disney era movie sets should be considered with standard OT sets?   But it is an opinion. 

I thought it was a lot less watered down to simply included standard/system scale OT vs PT/TCW and leave all the extra...opinion based...sets out of it. 
That seems to be the best way to represent what is being talked about to me. (Though like I mentioned I'm curious about what that would look like for the last 10 years specifically).

Edited November 23, 2021 by lego the hutt

[PreVizsla]

14 minutes ago, lego the hutt said:

 (Though like I mentioned I'm curious about what that would look like for the last 10 years specifically).

Last 6 years, i will also add that we got rebels, solo and rogue one, sequel sets which used basically the same figures or vehicles as OT would.
2021- 10 OT sets, 1 PT set, 2 TCW sets, 5 Mando sets+ mando calendar 
2020- 11 OT sets, 3 PT sets, 2 TCW sets, 3 Mando sets (didn't count polybags, GWP, promo like bespin duel and tantive)
2019- 16 OT sets, 7 PT sets, 0 TCW, 1 Mando set 
2018- 9 OT, 1 PT set, 2 TCW sets 
2017- 6 OT, 3 PT sets, 2 TCW sets
2016- 5 OT, 3 PT sets, 0 TCw
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56 OT sets, 18 PT sets, 8 TCW sets 9 Mando sets.  
(didn't count polybags, GWP, promo like bespin duel and tantive, buildable figures, millenium falcon, didn't put R2-D2 towards anyone)
 

Edited November 23, 2021 by PreVizsla

[jdubbs]

3 minutes ago, lego the hutt said:

 Rebels could be questionable as well...though personally I feel like we also got some good clonetroopers in the rebels sets that tied in with my PT displays but you have to draw a line somewhere.  I'm not sure disney era movie sets should be considered with standard OT sets?   But it is an opinion. 

I thought it was a lot less watered down to simply included standard/system scale OT vs PT/TCW and leave all the extra...opinion based...sets out of it. 
That seems to be the best way to represent what is being talked about to me.

I dunno... I think more people would object to calling the CW Venator (with its creepy CW-eyed Palpatine fig) a PT set, than would object to calling the RO AT-ST an OT set. Especially since several of the RO and Solo sets were recognizable OT vehicles, just with RO/Solo characters...  Also, a lot of the CW's unique designs were pretty "out there"... farther out there than the RO/Solo/Rebels designs went... if anything I think people would say CW should stay its own thing.

[lego the hutt]

2 minutes ago, jdubbs said:

I dunno... I think more people would object to calling the CW Venator (with its creepy CW-eyed Palpatine fig) a PT set, than would object to calling the RO AT-ST an OT set. Especially since several of the RO and Solo sets were recognizable OT vehicles, just with RO/Solo characters...  Also, a lot of the CW's unique designs were pretty "out there"... farther out there than the RO/Solo/Rebels designs went... if anything I think people would say CW should stay its own thing.

 I feel you on the big eyed TCW figures.  I was never a fan of the big eyes and actually replaced some of those heads (but the ones with the face printing hidden behind a helmet were good).  But again now we are bringing opinions into it.  I seems like breaking it down the way I did was the most impartial imo.

[PreVizsla]

8 minutes ago, lego the hutt said:

I seems like breaking it down the way I did was the most impartial imo.

The thing is we don't know what you counted as a set. Is Bespin Duel a set to you? Or 20th anniversary Obi wan polybag? It ends up being impartial no matter what we count/ don't count. Lot of sets are also in the gray area like this years R2-D2, some people won't even accept darth vader's helmet as OT cause it's techically in the ST and for few seconds in the PT.

[lego the hutt]

52 minutes ago, PreVizsla said:

The thing is we don't know what you counted as a set. Is Bespin Duel a set to you? Or 20th anniversary Obi wan polybag? It ends up being impartial no matter what we count/ don't count. Lot of sets are also in the gray area like this years R2-D2, some people won't even accept darth vader's helmet as OT cause it's techically in the ST and for few seconds in the PT.

I was using your list so you are the only one that knows lol...but I was counting system scale sets.  The things you listed under PT/TCW and OT exclusively to simplify it.

[Kdapt-Preacher]

Looks like other folks have covered this pretty thoroughly already, but the R1, Solo, Rebels, etc sets weren't included in the numbers in my chart at all. I literally just used the numbers listed for each category on Bricklink without making any attempt to discern which items to count as sets, so that wouldn't include any Brickheadz or polybag models but would include some other random stuff that someone who was being more careful probably wouldn't count (some Celebration exclusive models, for example), so @PreVizsla's specific numbers are almost certainly better than mine.

[Mandalorianknight]

4 hours ago, jdubbs said:

With the exception of the UCS sets, which are obviously heavily tilted to the OT, that's actually not as out-of-whack as I might have expected. Lumping in the TV series and anthology movies with their respective trilogies, seems you would get 156 PT-era (incl. CW and BB), 158 OT-era (incl. Solo, Rebels, RO, and Mando), and 44 ST-era System sets.

That's....the numbers are almost the same...why are people complaining?

[Meaf]

1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

That's....the numbers are almost the same...why are people complaining?

It does seem like there has perhaps been more complaints than the numbers would warrant, but in fairness there really haven't been all that many PT/CW sets in the past few years, especially before last year. I think that's where the feeling that PT fans were getting stiffed comes from, and while the notion that Lego has been purposely avoiding the PT is clearly false, it is also objectively true that it hasn't gotten nearly as much attention as OT has for the last few years. From Lego's perspective it made sense to do that since they were primarily focused on the new movies. They knew OT was always a good fallback if the new sets didn't sell, so that's why the rest of the line-up tended to lean that way. Hopefully know that there aren't as many movies releasing we'll start to see a better mix of the trilogies.

[jdubbs]

1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

That's....the numbers are almost the same...why are people complaining?

Well.

Some people are complaining because unlike the System sets, the UCS/D2C/MBS sets are heavily skewed to the OT. Which is a valid point, but perhaps one that will improve for PT fans if the Gunship sells well enough.

And then some people are complaining because while the overall numbers of PT vs. OT System sets are comparable, over the more recent (say, 5-10) years, it's more heavily skewed to OT sets... which is hard on anyone who wasn't collecting back when the PT sets were prevalent. Which is also a valid point.

But then, I suspect a few people are complaining just to complain... and here, the real test will come if/when we ever see a solid wave of PT sets. If people are still complaining then, well, we'll know whether they'll ever be satisfied, or just want to complain for the sake of complaining.

[PreVizsla]

2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

That's....the numbers are almost the same...why are people complaining?

I think it's mostly cause of past 6 years where OT is running through PT and TCW sets  56 to 18 PT and 8 TCW sets with 2 more OT sets coming in january and then 2 more OT helmets and OT UCS set coming as well. If you joined the community in the past 6 years it is fairly one sided.

53 minutes ago, jdubbs said:

Some people are complaining because unlike the System sets, the UCS/D2C/MBS sets are heavily skewed to the OT. Which is a valid point, but perhaps one that will improve for PT fans if the Gunship sells well enough.

I am one of the people who complained about UCS stuff, but after seeing UCS Gunship i will never ask for UCS set for the rest of my life. OT can have them all.

[Bobbtom]

Are we really going to retread this. The fact that a basic character like captain rex is currently $130 on bricklink speaks for itself. Unlike someone random like finch dallow. You already knew that but just couldn't resist it as always. You may be fortunate enough that you already have most of the desirable figures and sets from the TCW/prequel heavy era from almost 10 years ago, but many people, especially kids do not.

Edited November 24, 2021 by Bobbtom

[Kdapt-Preacher]

5 minutes ago, Bobbtom said:

Are we really going to retread this. The fact that a basic character like captain rex is currently $130 on bricklink speaks for itself. Unlike someone random like finch dallow. You already knew that but just couldn't resist it as always. You may be fortunate enough that you already have most of the desirable figures and sets from the TCW/prequel heavy era but many people, especially kids do not.

The cheapest Finch Dallow is currently $630, so that may not be the best example of an unimportant Sequel character. There's clearly enormous demand for those figures as well.

[BrickBob Studpants]

2 minutes ago, Bobbtom said:

The fact that a basic character like captain rex is currently $130 on bricklink speaks for itself.

Really?  Scalpers gonna scalp, but this is getting ridiculous. Are they trying to turn minifig-collecting into an NFT-inspired pyramide scheme or something? In that case, I want TLG to rerelease as many rare minifigs as possible just to ruin their „business“ 

[Bobbtom]

Just now, Kdapt-Preacher said:

The cheapest Finch Dallow is currently $630, so that may not be the best example of an unimportant Sequel character. There's clearly enormous demand for those figures as well.

When I mean unimportant, I'm referring to their status as a character. Rex is a major character in three different mediums now, whereas I had no idea who Finch Dallow was until learning of the insane bricklink aftermarket prices. I don't even remember if he had more than one minute of screen time;. I don't even know that he was ever even named on-screen. I won't speak for anyone here but I have never seen him mentioned in any star wars fandom besides the lego community

[BrickBob Studpants]

1 minute ago, Kdapt-Preacher said:

The cheapest Finch Dallow is currently $630, so that may not be the best example of an unimportant Sequel character.

…are you sh*tting me. I thought I massively overpaid when I got mine for $200 shortly after it surfaced, but this is just bonkers  There must be something nefarious going on here

[TeddytheSpoon]

14 minutes ago, Bobbtom said:

Are we really going to retread this. The fact that a basic character like captain rex is currently $130 on bricklink speaks for itself. Unlike someone random like finch dallow. You already knew that but just couldn't resist it as always. You may be fortunate enough that you already have most of the desirable figures and sets from the TCW era but many people, especially kids do not.

The fact that Captain Rex costs $130 is down to collectors though, not to the market demand for toys. The same can be said for other minifigures as well, including Finch Dallow, Thrawn, Zeb, etc. I'm not sure many kids are having 100+ bucks forked out for them on a single minifigure.

There is a valid case for more prequel sets IMO, given the dearth over the past six-ish years in favour of newer material, but given how collector-focussed the aftermarket is I'm not sure it's the best way to gauge demand.

Edited November 24, 2021 by TeddytheSpoon

[Bobbtom]

5 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Really?  Scalpers gonna scalp, but this is getting ridiculous. Are they trying to turn minifig-collecting into an NFT-inspired pyramide scheme or something? In that case, I want TLG to rerelease as many rare minifigs as possible just to ruin their „business“ 

So do I, the lego market these past two years have gone completely bonkers. Exclusives like the SDCC ones from years ago never really bothered me because we usually could buy different versions of the characters in normal sets. If an adult collector wanted to pay the insane after market prices for them, then more power to them. But now we have mainstay figures selling for well above $100 and no official re-release in sight

3 minutes ago, TeddytheSpoon said:

The fact that Captain Rex costs $130 is down to collectors though, not to the market demand for toys. The same can be said for other minifigures as well, including Finch Dallow, Thrawn, Zeb, etc. I'm not sure many kids are having 100+ bucks forked out for them on a single minifigure.

There is a valid case for more prequel sets IMO, given the dearth over the past six-ish years in favour of newer material, but given how collector-focussed the aftermarket is I'm not sure it's the best way to gauge demand.

I think it's fair to say that there is demand for captain rex among kids. Taking a step back from the lego world, there is a lot of captain rex toys and merchandise out there with some very...ambitious cross-overs

[McMurder_them_softly]

10 hours ago, jdubbs said:

Well.

Some people are complaining because unlike the System sets, the UCS/D2C/MBS sets are heavily skewed to the OT. Which is a valid point, but perhaps one that will improve for PT fans if the Gunship sells well enough.

And then some people are complaining because while the overall numbers of PT vs. OT System sets are comparable, over the more recent (say, 5-10) years, it's more heavily skewed to OT sets... which is hard on anyone who wasn't collecting back when the PT sets were prevalent. Which is also a valid point.

But then, I suspect a few people are complaining just to complain... and here, the real test will come if/when we ever see a solid wave of PT sets. If people are still complaining then, well, we'll know whether they'll ever be satisfied, or just want to complain for the sake of complaining.

Piggybacking off of this, could also be that LEGO has really innovated their designs and some of the older sets, while aging gracefully could use an update and people would love to see an AT-TE now with the new parts and potential. 

[Mandalorianknight]

6 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

…are you sh*tting me. I thought I massively overpaid when I got mine for $200 shortly after it surfaced, but this is just bonkers  There must be something nefarious going on here

Nothing nefarious, it's supply and demand. Not many Finches around, collectors want finch, price ticks up. To bring up Bionicle again, it's an excellent example of this. No G1 sets in nearly 10 years, and as it gains fans (despite not having any sets or media released), the price of sets and masks becomes absurd.

6 hours ago, TeddytheSpoon said:

The fact that Captain Rex costs $130 is down to collectors though, not to the market demand for toys. The same can be said for other minifigures as well, including Finch Dallow, Thrawn, Zeb, etc. I'm not sure many kids are having 100+ bucks forked out for them on a single minifigure.

There is a valid case for more prequel sets IMO, given the dearth over the past six-ish years in favour of newer material, but given how collector-focussed the aftermarket is I'm not sure it's the best way to gauge demand.

Dude, Zeb is my White Whale. He's the last one I need to complete the crew.

Also, you're correct, the aftermarket is a terrible way to judge demand on what is overall focused on kids. Examples include Zeb, who would make some adult rebels fans happy but most kids wouldn't even know him. The AT-OT and Dropship set is what, a thousand dollars, and wouldn't sell nearly as well as an AT-TE or AT-AT. Hell, look at bionicle. The golden Kanohi Ignika (A single mask part) is anywhere between $100-300 alone, not to mention the set it came in. Even much less iconic masks like a lime Rau are around $50. 

TLDR Secondhand demand doesn't necessarily translate into a set selling well now. There are instances, like Rex, where it very well might, but others like the AT-OT where it definately wouldn't.

 

Also for the Rex Gangtm , i've got a tip for getting him. The helmet's like $5, and then you just need a pauldron (I think the death trooper ones were $2 ish last I checked), and a 501st body. It's not perfect, but it's a LOT better than shelling out apparently over a hundred dollars. (I use the older plastic pauldron though as I prefer it for the clone wars characters)

Edited November 24, 2021 by Mandalorianknight

[PsychoBuilder]

2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Also for the Rex Gangtm , i've got a tip for getting him. The helmet's like $5, and then you just need a pauldron (I think the death trooper ones were $2 ish last I checked), and a 501st body. It's not perfect, but it's a LOT better than shelling out apparently over a hundred dollars. (I use the older plastic pauldron though as I prefer it for the clone wars characters)

I agree about the whole thing involving the aftermarket, but I’ve got one question: where I God’s name are you finding a captain rex helmet for five dollars?