42130 - BMW M1000RR K66

[Zerobricks]

One thing I just thought about is the pistons size? Aren't the normal fake pistons too small at this scale? I know the Creator Harley Davidson used a bigger, brick built piston engine. Having custom bigger pistons something around 2 studs across in a 3x3 block would be very useful not only for 1:5 motorcycles but also1:8 supercars with high displacement engines.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Zerobricks

[Dami]

I think it will have BrickBuilt engine.

[Pato Sentado]

1 minute ago, Dami said:

I think it will have BrickBuilt engine.

Like the studded era supercars?

[Dami]

7 minutes ago, Pato Sentado said:

Like the studded era supercars?

Yes, something like this.

[amorti]

10 minutes ago, Zerobricks said:

One thing I just thought about is the pistons size? Aren't the normal fake pistons too small at this scale?

Well, the 2019 Harley FatBoy has 1868cc and two pistons (934cc each), while the BMW has 999cc and 4 pistons (250cc each).

Even if you go up in scale from 1:7(ish?) to 1:5, it makes sense the Harley would want bigger pistons.

[Dami]

Brickbuilt engine is best option for this set. I dont think Lego would want to create another big pieces since they need to do new very big tires and very big rims, which production cost is pretty high.

[amorti]

32 minutes ago, Dami said:

Brickbuilt engine is best option for this set. I dont think Lego would want to create another big pieces since they need to do new very big tires and very big rims, which production cost is pretty high.

How big do you want it?

Standard pistons will give an engine 8 studs wide, then you need a couple more to hang it.

The Ducati is about 9 studs wide across the fairings and it looks bloated AF. Granted the new one is a bigger scale, but it's not that much bigger considering it'll have to hide an 8 stud wide engine.

[Dami]

I got the data about size of model.

58,2/10,3/37,8 cm

So It will be pretty big.

[amorti]

8 minutes ago, Dami said:

I got the data about size of model.

58,2/10,3/37,8 cm

So It will be pretty big.

10.3 cm wide. So if the engine is 8 studs, there's 6.4cm. That gives 4cm (5 studs) for the fairings, which is about what they needed for the Ducati.

No, this definitely doesn't need bigger pistons. It'll have the classic ones.

It does however need new wheels, tyres, forks, and maybe a new rear shock absorber. I hope so anyway, it'd be lame to see a 6.5L shock there, even if it is about the right length for scale 

Edited December 7, 2021 by amorti

[Dami]

It also maybe would have a bit of new panels. I mean panels from 42137 but in Blue and white.

[amorti]

You're probably right, it would make a good fit for the centre mid panel.

However I'm always more interested in new technic functions than new panels. So, I couldn't care much less about a fancy gearbox but I'm hoping for a proper rear suspension linkage.

Edited December 7, 2021 by amorti

[Dami]

I hope this set gonna have a Gearbox. Probably 4 speeds, maybe 6 speeds, would be pretty cool.

[MangaNOID]

the real bike has a whopping 80mm bore/piston diameter which would be a piston size of 16mm in LEGO at 1/5. 
 

Interesting to see any new bits on this one. 

[1340cc]

38 minutes ago, Dami said:

I got the data about size of model.

58,2/10,3/37,8 cm

So It will be pretty big.

The length/width/height measurements don't look proportional to a real bike, so I'm guessing those are the box dimensions?

[Dami]

If review Embargo is 9th december, set should be revealed 8th december, I dont think any youtuber would show unrevealed set.

1 minute ago, 1340cc said:

The length/width/height measurements don't look proportional to a real bike, so I'm guessing those are the box dimensions?

Maybe.

41,5/23,9/17 cm

Its probably model size.

To calculate this, I took the dimensions of a normal vehicle and divided them by 5 because the model has to be in 1:5 scale

 

 

 

[1340cc]

I'm almost certain that it's the box dimensions, 10.3cm is far too narrow for a 1:5 scale motorbike. And a lot of other sets with similar pricetag/piececount are also packaged in boxes approx 58cm wide x 38cm tall. We should find out in a day or two anyway. Really hoping this set is a good one.

 

18 hours ago, TeamThrifty said:

I've got zx10r and i love it ❤.. bikes are my thing so i'm hopeful that this set really hits the bike-geek spot. The Ducati really didn't at all, i had zero interest. I'd love to see mechanical authenticity, something a mechnically minded bike owner can embrace.

...and then maybe in a couple of years we'll get a proper model! Not of this bmw nonsense, a Kawasaki zx10r!!🤣 

More of a Suzuki guy myself (ride a 2nd gen Hayabusa) but if this BMW turns out to be good I'd be happy to see any of the Japanese brands represented in the next "UCS" Technic superbike set. Japanese vehicle manufacturers have been seriously under-represented in Lego sets compared to European and American brands having only the Speed Champions GT-R and Supra so far.

[allanp]

11 hours ago, MangaNOID said:

the real bike has a whopping 80mm bore/piston diameter which would be a piston size of 16mm in LEGO at 1/5. 
 

Interesting to see any new bits on this one. 

16mm is two studs exactly. The current pistons have a large gap between them whereas real pistons are closer together. So the current sizes might be a little off for 1:5 scale but in order for them to stay "in system" then I think the current 2x2 pistons is the closest, as opposed to moving up to 3x3. 

Here's a thought though. Lego engines have mostly just stayed the same level of detail mechanically. At 1:5 scale is there a chance for more of the engine to be there, such as the timing chain and double overhead cams and such? I think the closest we got to that was the trike from 1993, or maybe the rare engines set from the 80s! This is something that could be added to the list if possible reasons why this bike is so big. It will be interesting to see how many (if any) we can tick off from the following:

New more realistic, much simpler and way more compact 6 speed gearbox with all the different sizes of clutch gears 

Working (possibly pneumatic) breaks

More mechanically detailed engine (with timing chain, cam shafts, etc)

Proper front and rear fenders

Oil filled rear shock (like what was in one of the previous bikes and those weird RC sets)

I'm trying to not get my hopes up for any of these let alone all of them. But I can't help but get excited for whatever the reason behind the huge 1:5 scale choice might be. The members of this Technic forum have expressed time and time again that we are unlike many of the other themes in the sense that a models size and part count increase can't be justified by just being bigger. That's understandably fine for a display model of the Titanic or an ATAT. In those cases bigger just to be bigger and more detailed and impressive is absolutely fine. But for Technic it needs something mechanical and functional to justify it. TOMORROW we find out, is it a "build for real" machine, or just an expensive and empty handbag.

 

 

 

 

[steph77]

Just looking at the entries of the last contest and everyone will understand our technical expectations.

If we are able to squeeze gearbox, brakes and finaly good looking bike in +/- 1/10 scale, the upsizing to 1/5 must reach a higher technic level.

That's for the expectations, and probably further Mocs or Mods.

For now, the scale just 'to produce something bigger' is more likely credible in the global lineup of thechnic theme.

Even at 200 euros.

Still to hope that the design will be there.

 

[Ngoc Nguyen]

A few more hours to the reveal! Hype hype hype!!

[Frequenzberater]

Here is the product description. Unfortunately in german, but translation should be no problem. Feel free to ask when you want me to translate something in specific:

Offizieller Produkttext zu LEGO BMW M 1000 RR 42130

Viel Spaß beim Bauen

Geh deiner Leidenschaft nach. Entferne alles, was dich ablenken könnte. Genieße ein Projekt, das deine ganze Aufmerksamkeit erfordert. Baue die LEGO® Technic BMW M 1000 RR. Dieses Modell im Maßstab 1:5 strotzt vor authentischen Funktionen: 3-Gang-Getriebe (+ Neutralstellung), Kettenantrieb und Reihenvierzylinder-Motor. Freu dich auf ein fesselnde Bauerlebnis, bilde das atemberaubende Motorrad originalgetreu nach und stell dein Modell dann aus.

• Bauset für Erwachsene: Freu dich auf ein ebenso kreatives wie anspruchsvolles Bauprojekt. Das LEGO® Technic Bauset „BMW M 1000 RR“ (42130) lässt dich konzentriert bauen und wunderbar abschalten
• Funktionen in Hülle und Fülle: Erkunde die authentischen Details an diesem Modell im Maßstab 1:5 – 3-Gang-Getriebe (+ Neutralstellung), Lenkung, Vorder- und Hinterradaufhängung, Kettenantrieb und Reihenvierzylinder-Motor
• Stylisher Look: Bewundere die Lackierung in Rot, Weiß und Blau und die legendären BMW Marken-Embleme. Bei diesem Modell wurde auf jedes Detail geachtet – von den Rädern bis zur Windschutzscheibe
• Atemberaubendes BMW Geschenk: Jeder Motorradfan freut sich über dieses imposante Modell. Das speziell für Erwachsene entwickelte Bauset bietet ein fesselndes Bauerlebnis. Dieses spektakuläre Ausstellungsstück wird dir noch lange Freude bereiten
• Maßstab 1:5: Ohne Ständer ist dieses Premium-Modell ist 27 cm hoch, 45,5 cm lang und 17 cm breit
• Zeig deine Motorradbegeisterung: Sowohl auf dem Ausstellungsständer als auch auf dem Rennständer liefert dieses imposante Motorradmodell reichlich Gesprächsstoff
• Enge Zusammenarbeit: Dieses Bauset ist ein tolles Gemeinschaftsprojekt von BMW und dem LEGO® Technic Designteam

 

Besides a 3gear gearbox, 4 cylinder engine and Suspension, it seems not to have any functions, which is a bit dissapointing for a model of this scale :/

[Ngoc Nguyen]

So it's only a bigger Ducati? Man...

[Zerobricks]

The real bike has a 6 speed gearbox, I'm a bit bummed out they only put a 3 speed one in the Lego model. But I'm sure it has to have a squential switching lever.

[aFrInaTi0n]

Hmmm may be stupid to do before release, but I already put my preorder at one seller :D

[Akbalder]

The functions seem logical. i don't think that we could have hoped for more.

[allanp]

If that description is accurate then it's just a bigger Ducati, 3 times the price for one extra gear. This doesn't sound great. Is there still hope for new gearbox parts, like a drive ring that's reduced to 1 stud in length and 3 sizes of clutch gear? I wouldn't say all hope is lost just yet but it's not looking good. 6 gears and 3 single stud length drive rings would make a simple, low friction, reliable and authentic 9 stud long 6 speed gearbox, which would fit nicely below/behind the 8 stud long 4 cylinder engine. This would open up lots of possibilities (like a regular transverse 4 cylinder front wheel drive family car for example, or an Arocs sized truck being able to have a compact 6 speed transmission as a standard feature). It's still too soon to write it off and I have always warned against letting your hopes and expectations be the enemy of what would otherwise be a great set. But for the massive size and price increase over the Ducati, one extra gear made from the same old parts isn't exciting me.

Edited December 9, 2021 by allanp