42143 - Ferrari Daytona SP3

[Maaboo the Witch]

I like that the new differential housing can be fitted with different gears depending on the type of diff needed. Pretty cool.

[BrickMonkeyMOCs]

Looks really good. New wheels, suspension, and differential, though same gearbox and no new engine parts.

The door mechanism looks interesting, and I like how the rear engine cover lifts up to expose the engine bay.

The lack of any luggage is a tragic omission, but one I'm sure others here will correct :)

I will probably get one, though I'll be content to wait a year or so until I can pick it up at 10-15% discount.

[Jurss]

1 hour ago, keymaker said:

I wonder, if red ones are softer, because blue ones are crazy hard.

Also my first thought, as I just built BMW, and noticed, that it is really hard. For this it could be really too hard, as there is not so long lever as on BMW.

[R0Sch]

9 minutes ago, Jurss said:

Also my first thought, as I just built BMW, and noticed, that it is really hard. For this it could be really too hard, as there is not so long lever as on BMW.

Don't worry the weight of 3,06 kg is enough to let even these springs sag a little. There is almost no ground clearance left.

55 minutes ago, Maaboo35 said:

I like that the new differential housing can be fitted with different gears depending on the type of diff needed. Pretty cool.

Yes, that is very useful. Also the fact that we finally get a new 14T gear, albeit being a bevel gear one.

Edited May 24, 2022 by R0Sch

[LvdH]

So the “slipcase” is just a book with some special artwork. Racing brick has a video on it. €80 and only available in shops while supply lasts.

The shock absorbers are the same as the BMW including stiffness.

[nerdsforprez]

1 hour ago, R0Sch said:

I feel you. Just remember this set is not targeted at LEGO Technic fans who know the parts by heart, but at Ferrari and sports car fans who never built a LEGO set before. Basically all 18+ sets are mainly marketed at new customers.

Not sure about this.  Basic business sense 101 (which TLG definitely does have) would say to not lose your main customer base in the search of new customers.  I am sure the majority of buys have built other Technic sets, though I agree they are likely not hard-core AFOLs.  Probably just recreational builders who have some idea of elements palette but as you say, certainly not an exhaustive knowledge.  Built a few, but not many, technic sets.   Would not be surprised if many have one of the other UCS cars.  

[dabo]

It is a Ferrari and it is red I must have it.

[The01]

2 hours ago, R0Sch said:

another pair of bevel gears in yellow

It's not that I hate new parts, but I really don't like the looks of those new gears, they look like gears of any cheap building toy. It even looks like they aren't compatible to the normal (bevel) gears (I haven't seen RB's review completely yet, was that mentioned?). They seem quite sturdy though, as noted in the brickset review, which could be nice for heavy-duty applications (anybody wants to build a trial truck?). I still agree with @Maaboo35 , that's cool about that diff.

Other than that, it's a really cool and nice car.

5 minutes ago, dabo said:

It is a Ferrari and it is red I must have it.

Good point .

Edited May 24, 2022 by The01
You do that @ like this?

[R0Sch]

3 minutes ago, dabo said:

It is a Ferrari and it is red I must have it.

If only I knew this, before buying the red version of the Italian Sportscar from CaDA. The yellow one was so tempting but I didn't find it second-hand at a reasonable price.

2 minutes ago, The01 said:

It even looks like they aren't compatible to the normal (bevel) gears (I haven't seen RB's review completely yet, was that mentioned?).

All gears in LEGO Technic have the same module of 1, so they are compatible of course.

[Zerobricks]

6 minutes ago, R0Sch said:

If only I knew this, before buying the red version of the Italian Sportscar from CaDA. The yellow one was so tempting but I didn't find it second-hand at a reasonable price.

All gears in LEGO Technic have the same module of 1, so they are compatible of course.

Not these ones, they have much larger teeth and are made for high torque aplications.

[R0Sch]

11 minutes ago, nerdsforprez said:

Not sure about this.  Basic business sense 101 (which TLG definitely does have) would say to not lose your main customer base in the search of new customers.  I am sure the majority of buys have built other Technic sets, though I agree they are likely not hard-core AFOLs.  Probably just recreational builders who have some idea of elements palette but as you say, certainly not an exhaustive knowledge.  Built a few, but not many, technic sets.   Would not be surprised if many have one of the other UCS cars.  

That's not what this commercial shows me.

 

[The01]

7 minutes ago, R0Sch said:

All gears in LEGO Technic have the same module of 1, so they are compatible of course. 

They should, yes, but in that comparison image its teeth look quite different, maybe thicker, anyway it could be just my eyes.

 

EDIT: just that what @Zerobricks said

Edited May 24, 2022 by The01
not fast enough

[R0Sch]

3 minutes ago, Zerobricks said:

Not these ones, they have much larger teeth and are made for high torque aplications.

Thicker teeth don't mean that the module is different. With a profile shift you can get that thicker teeth, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily incompatible. Maybe @kbalage can share some light on this as he has the set in hand and can say for sure if other gears mesh with the new 14T and 22T gears.

[Zerobricks]

1 minute ago, R0Sch said:

Thicker teeth don't mean that the module is different. With a profile shift you can get that thicker teeth, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily incompatible. Maybe @kbalage can share some light on this as he has the set in hand and can say for sure if other gears mesh with the new 14T and 22T gears.

Trust me, thicker teeth mean you need more spacing to accomodate them, which means a different module.

[nerdsforprez]

Surprised, but perhaps I should not be, with all the errors in the instructions.  @kbalage exposed them in one build.   Really confused how TLG cannot get this right.  Do they not have a team of builders who assemble the models prior to release to weed out these errors?  

 

[R0Sch]

Just now, Zerobricks said:

Trust me, thicker teeth mean you need more spacing to accomodate them, which means a different module.

Ok, sorry. I see from the size of the 20T bevel gear that it has to have a bigger module.

[Seasider]

1 hour ago, nerdsforprez said:

Not sure about this.  Basic business sense 101 (which TLG definitely does have) would say to not lose your main customer base in the search of new customers.  I am sure the majority of buys have built other Technic sets, though I agree they are likely not hard-core AFOLs.  Probably just recreational builders who have some idea of elements palette but as you say, certainly not an exhaustive knowledge.  Built a few, but not many, technic sets.   Would not be surprised if many have one of the other UCS cars.  

I know quite a lot of people (from work at a well known car company) who are casual AFOLs and their collection is made up of Creator cars and Technic UCS cars. So these are their only Technic builds

[nerdsforprez]

5 minutes ago, Seasider said:

I know quite a lot of people (from work at a well known car company) who are casual AFOLs and their collection is made up of Creator cars and Technic UCS cars. So these are their only Technic builds

Yup.  Exactly.  Which is pretty much what I said  

[danielhstahl]

Are the wheels really only attached to the arms by a 40146?  That seems like it will break in no time...

[Thirdwigg]

I have been meh about these cars in the past, but I like all the new panels and parts (those wheels and tires look great) in this car. Plus the red and black can easily support other builds. I'll let this excitement simmer for a little while before I make this kind of purchase.

[howitzer]

For the first time I'm tempted to buy a Technic car set even without extreme discount. It looks great, has some interesting new parts and generally great parts selection.

[allanp]

Easy nope for me.

They made the box more "premium" and expensive, looks more costly than even the mid 90s era boxes, but there's non of the appeal of those older boxes that allowed you to see all the functions under the lid and gaze at all the pieces through the clear plastic.

They made the wheels bigger but they didn't utilise the extra space and just gave us the same old suspension/steering geometry.

They got the bigger shocks from the BMW motor bike, but with the metal inner spring and plastic outer spring they are even less mechanically realistic than before.

They made new gears for the differential but they don't really offer anything new we couldn't do before.

They copied and pasted the unrealistic, rainbow coloured mechanical abomination of a gearbox from the Sian, except now the gears are in the wrong order.

They printed all the pieces but they slapped one printed piece onto a steering wheel that's still completely horizontal and not angled up slightly toward the driver.

They even went through all the effort of making a large hardback book detailing how closely they worked with Ferrari, to make a car that's mechanically completely different to the Ferrari.

It's a Ferrari so it won't look as good as the Lamborghini, it's more expensive with less wheel drive. Sorry but I just can't consider buying this at any reduced price.

 

[1gor]

3 hours ago, LvdH said:

The tires are quite a bit bigger than the previous ones. 81.6 mm vs 87.9 mm. That makes fitting them in existing models quite a bit more difficult.

Did anyone knows rim diameter?

3 hours ago, Maaboo35 said:

I like that the new differential housing can be fitted with different gears depending on the type of diff needed. Pretty cool.

And probably less parts will produced (eliminating one piece differential in future)

[Ngoc Nguyen]

49 minutes ago, allanp said:

It's a Ferrari so it won't look as good as the Lamborghini, it's more expensive with less wheel drive. Sorry but I just can't consider buying this at any reduced price.

And also less functions

[LvdH]

39 minutes ago, 1gor said:

Did anyone knows rim diameter?

The Sian rim can fit inside the Ferrari rim. That should give a decent indication.