42146 - Liebherr LR13000

[Johnny1360]

I never get bored sticking pins in liftarms and panels.

[Maaboo the Witch]

5 hours ago, Johnny1360 said:

I never get bored sticking pins in liftarms and panels.

You want the Ferrari thread. It's over there.

[allanp]

You know, I bet that if the guys and gals over at Lego was reading this thread right now they might be a little confused lol. "Oh God, now they are saying building Technic is boring, why are they even fans of Technic?!" but I totally get what you mean. 

Stacking regular bricks is satisfying and therapeutic in a way. But for us gear heads, building mechanisms is where it's at. There's nothing better than that! This might be an issue for sets like very tall cranes and supercars, because all of the mechanisms (the good stuff) is done in the first quarter of the build. After that it's just "beam stacking". I think the Liebherr having large lattice boom sections is really going to help.

Someone mentioned the 42100 boom and how that was a boring build experience. Wasn't that full of mechanisms? Why would that be boring? I think in that case, the thing is such a complex spaghetti of gears and axles, that you don't know what mechanism you are building. So when you add a motor, instead of thinking "oh, that's the motor for the bucket tilt", you are thinking "oh, I guess I'm putting a motor there now!", so you kinda don't get the intended mental payoff that building the mechanism is intended to provide. If you don't know what you are building then you can't really fully get why you are building it.  Contrast that with the Arocs where most of the time you know exactly what mechanism you are building and why you are building it and it's a much better and more mentally satisfying experience. Same with Sian gearbox. It's always "oh, this gear goes there. Now this axle. Now that gear.....don't know why but that's what the instructions say". If instead it was adding a pair of gears meshed together on two axles and you go "oh, that's a new gear speed, ooooh next I'm adding reverse gear" it would feel much better. That's just my take on it.

[howitzer]

9 hours ago, Toastie said:

Hmmm. I don't know. When it comes to boring experiences, TLG really made it to the very top ... think about these footballs stadiums, "flowers", or the Colosseum - they make and sell whatever sells. Be that "Technic" (with some of the 18+ sets, that line was diluted into boredom, as far as I am concerned).

The building experience is not exactly the main focus anymore, I believe.

Best,
Thorsten 

Maybe.

I once proposed a tower crane set for Technic, but someone said it would be really boring to assemble and so TLG wouldn't release such a set. But you also got a point in the various stadiums and stuff, at least those sets marketed strictly for adults can diverge from the principle of interesting building experience.

3 minutes ago, allanp said:

You know, I bet that if the guys and gals over at Lego was reading this thread right now they might be a little confused lol. "Oh God, now they are saying building Technic is boring, why are they even fans of Technic?!" but I totally get what you mean. 

Stacking regular bricks is satisfying and therapeutic in a way. But for us gear heads, building mechanisms is where it's at. There's nothing better than that! This might be an issue for sets like very tall cranes and supercars, because all of the mechanisms (the good stuff) is done in the first quarter of the build. After that it's just "beam stacking". I think the Liebherr having large lattice boom sections is really going to help.

Someone mentioned the 42100 boom and how that was a boring build experience. Wasn't that full of mechanisms? Why would that be boring? I think in that case, the thing is such a complex spaghetti of gears and axles, that you don't know what mechanism you are building. So when you add a motor, instead of thinking "oh, that's the motor for the bucket tilt", you are thinking "oh, I guess I'm putting a motor there now!", so you kinda don't get the intended mental payoff that building the mechanism is intended to provide. If you don't know what you are building then you can't really fully get why you are building it.  Contrast that with the Arocs where most of the time you know exactly what mechanism you are building and why you are building it and it's a much better and more mentally satisfying experience. Same with Sian gearbox. It's always "oh, this gear goes there. Now this axle. Now that gear.....don't know why but that's what the instructions say". If instead it was adding a pair of gears meshed together on two axles and you go "oh, that's a new gear speed, ooooh next I'm adding reverse gear" it would feel much better. That's just my take on it.

Yeah, stacking bricks is way more satisfying than stacking liftarms as, at least in my opinion, a pin connection is more annoying to make than a stud connection. The interesting part of Technic indeed lies in the mechanisms and functions, so care should be taken to make building those interesting. Building stuff with no idea of what it's going to be is kinda boring.

[nerdsforprez]

A lot of focus on the building experience, but relatively little comment on the playability experience.  That is what I really enjoy about cranes. I really think they provide a superior playability experience opposed to most other models.  Not all, but many.  

Also, folks should remember, that for what ever reason, Technic cranes have sold pretty well I think.  I cannot speak for many other models,  but I know folks seemed to really enjoy 42009 and 8288.  8288's resale, back in the day, was as high as any other Technic set out there (don't know what it is now).  Very repetitive build, but it offered differing configurations and a lot of playability.  

Also, there may be another way to look, empirically, at how "boring" a build is.  The ratio of pieces/lots at least gives you an idea how many pieces, on average, are in each lot.  Sets whose average is high have tons of redundancy in them; i.e. replicated pieces.  Sets where this value is low have much less.  This works for the Technic line, not so much for others where you have tons of accessories, etc. that deflate this number when in reality it just represents different entities as opposed to variability in a single model.  I don't have the figure right now, and not going to re-do the count, but I recall 8288's piece count/lots was really high..... 

[HectorMB]

9 hours ago, mdemerchant said:

Well you can always wait to see what the build is like before deciding to buy.  But a crane of that type is going to inherently involve building repetitive boom sections.  It will be minimized if they use large new pieces as expected but it will still be there.  If you want a big tall crane model it's unavoidable.

That's very true, of course. I often wait after the release of it worths it or not (and also because I cannot afford guys have sets very often!). But yes, let's see what TLG releases...

2 hours ago, allanp said:

You know, I bet that if the guys and gals over at Lego was reading this thread right now they might be a little confused lol. "Oh God, now they are saying building Technic is boring, why are they even fans of Technic?!" but I totally get what you mean. 

Stacking regular bricks is satisfying and therapeutic in a way. But for us gear heads, building mechanisms is where it's at. There's nothing better than that! This might be an issue for sets like very tall cranes and supercars, because all of the mechanisms (the good stuff) is done in the first quarter of the build. After that it's just "beam stacking". I think the Liebherr having large lattice boom sections is really going to help.

Someone mentioned the 42100 boom and how that was a boring build experience. Wasn't that full of mechanisms? Why would that be boring? I think in that case, the thing is such a complex spaghetti of gears and axles, that you don't know what mechanism you are building. So when you add a motor, instead of thinking "oh, that's the motor for the bucket tilt", you are thinking "oh, I guess I'm putting a motor there now!", so you kinda don't get the intended mental payoff that building the mechanism is intended to provide. If you don't know what you are building then you can't really fully get why you are building it.  Contrast that with the Arocs where most of the time you know exactly what mechanism you are building and why you are building it and it's a much better and more mentally satisfying experience. Same with Sian gearbox. It's always "oh, this gear goes there. Now this axle. Now that gear.....don't know why but that's what the instructions say". If instead it was adding a pair of gears meshed together on two axles and you go "oh, that's a new gear speed, ooooh next I'm adding reverse gear" it would feel much better. That's just my take on it.

Yes, I did bring up the 42100. But what I meant is that the 42100 was interesting to some extend (considering the absence of gearboxes, and so on), but definitely was not a boring building experience. What I meant is that the new Liebherr may end up with the base of the 42100 but with a repetitive -boring for some people as well-. But, así said, let's see what's finally released... If any!

[craneson]

Building is never boring  , perhaps building is for me not the same as buying a set and get the book and building that step by step . To me building is creating some impossible contraption and finding out why it's almost impossible to do .....  but there is lego to do it anyway.  When I start on a crane project , it needs fresh input of new elements that are A better to use  an B more realistic to use .  So I start  with the most challenging part , in the case of a big crane the "turntable" .  I will perhaps build two or three layouts simultanious . Every layout is a better build than the previous and before stepping on to the next part  there will be about 50 versions  "try out"  turntable and only two go on..  With these two , one in black and one in yellow I start preparing the crane body , that is the structure above the turntable . The carrier is eighter tracks or carrier on wheels. The build is not exclusive to only tracks , altough the wheel version is even more challenging , since the weight is crucial  and I do not use  non lego parts ..  like some other  famous designs.  The search continues and I might have to build another twenty or more prototypes  crane body , and a cranebody is the build around the winchdrums and turning or slewing mechanism. When I build  I have my compass always on the transportation of the finished product . So  it has to be realistic as possible . In the end I have build the same project perhaps over a hundred times before I squeezed the maximum out of the plastic wonderbricks .   Boring ?  no , just jump out of the building proces to do something else....  

Edited May 30, 2022 by craneson
typo

[craneson]

And while designing the crane , you must do your reseach on the boom size ,  in the (square section)  11x11 stud size , the 13/11/7   triangle makes 0,3  1/10 of error  , while the 15x15 stud configuration results in 15/12/9  with zero error.    now the boom on the original liebherr product was  3900 mm appoximate   ,  the 15 stud square boom  brings us on a  1:32  scale    ..  in comparisation  the tracks are   22 mtr by 16,5 mtr wide   , in studs thats 183 studs by  137 studs wide...  now thats enormous . you never squeeze that out of a €500 box 

[JohnsLegos]

I am just wondering.....has there been any updates as to if the Liebherr crane kit is going to be made or not?? I want to start putting cash back so when it comes out I can get one. Thanks.

[Ngoc Nguyen]

37 minutes ago, JohnsLegos said:

I am just wondering.....has there been any updates as to if the Liebherr crane kit is going to be made or not?? I want to start putting cash back so when it comes out I can get one. Thanks.

Read the thread's name: no we don't know when new info is coming

[onzenuub]

1 hour ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

Read the thread's name: no we don't know when new info is coming

That's old info. 

[R0Sch]

So, does the lack of the Liebherr crane in the catalog mean it will be semi-exclusive or worse, postponed?

[Polarlicht]

Well new city trains stuff is missing as well, so take everything with a grain of salt...

[R0Sch]

I see now that Stonewars writes the set is postponed to 2023. So sad...

[Maaboo the Witch]

Just now, R0Sch said:

I see now that Stonewars writes the set is postponed to 2023. So sad...

So no flagship this year?

And no, the Ferrari is NOT a flagship!

[pleegwat]

1 minute ago, Maaboo35 said:

So no flagship this year?

There's the airbus.

[Maaboo the Witch]

Just now, pleegwat said:

There's the airbus.

Wouldn't say that's flagship material. But I'm not into helicopters so that's just me talkin'.

[R0Sch]

Just now, pleegwat said:

There's the airbus.

There are no flagship sets anymore. Flagship was when the box had a lid and showed the cool functions. Now it's only about breaking another price and part count record.

[Maaboo the Witch]

3 minutes ago, R0Sch said:

There are no flagship sets anymore. Flagship was when the box had a lid and showed the cool functions. Now it's only about breaking another price and part count record.

Ooh BURN!

[R0Sch]

3 minutes ago, Maaboo35 said:

Ooh BURN!

[Gimmick]

10 hours ago, R0Sch said:

Flagship was when the box had a lid and showed the cool functions.

That's at least a new one.

[pleegwat]

21 hours ago, R0Sch said:

Now it's only about breaking another price and part count record.

You're not wrong.

Edited June 2, 2022 by pleegwat

[LvdH]

According to PromoBricks this will be a August 1st release… of 2023.

https://www.promobricks.de/lego-technic-2022-sommer-neuheiten-2/145176/
 

Scroll down a bit, the LR13000 is listed but with a release date of 01-08-2023. The price also seems significantly lower as I remember this being listed as a €600 set. It’s now €450.

[Maaboo the Witch]

26 minutes ago, LvdH said:

According to PromoBricks this will be a August 1st release… of 2023.

https://www.promobricks.de/lego-technic-2022-sommer-neuheiten-2/145176/
 

Scroll down a bit, the LR13000 is listed but with a release date of 01-08-2023. The price also seems significantly lower as I remember this being listed as a €600 set. It’s now €450.

Maybe TLG have had to scale it down.

[mpj]

28 minutes ago, LvdH said:

According to PromoBricks this will be a August 1st release… of 2023.

https://www.promobricks.de/lego-technic-2022-sommer-neuheiten-2/145176/
 

Scroll down a bit, the LR13000 is listed but with a release date of 01-08-2023. The price also seems significantly lower as I remember this being listed as a €600 set. It’s now €450.

In the list the release date is 01-08-2022