[CADA] CADA General Discussion Topic

[Bartybum]

1 hour ago, brunojj1 said:

Again - we are playing on neutral ground here, because it´s endorsed by many members and the moderators allowed it to be present. That´s why it´s useless to make it a battlefield Lego vs. CaDA vs. Mould King etc., make provocative claims - that´s what I meant. On the other hand, go ahead if that makes the controversy more valuable for the public, I don´t care then!

Might wanna go over that again, the comment you responded to didn't compare CaDA to Lego, see below:

On 12/12/2022 at 10:08 PM, Bartybum said:

As for CaDA quality, my experience is that the quality of the pins and small connectors was pretty garbage - I lost a tonne of them after I pulled the Centenario apart. I'd only recommend CaDA for the big pieces i.e. liftarms, wheels, panels, etc., as well as gears and other special pieces

I understand wanting to avoid having a flame war about which brand is better, and I totally agree, but I was answering the dude's question about opinions of CaDA.

1 hour ago, brunojj1 said:

But not as many as you want people make to believe.

I can't find the entire email chain so I don't remember all the part codes, but every single JH5041.01 (equivalent Lego piece 6536 in black) was loose. I had to get them all replaced (great customer service though, no problems with them at all).

That being said, my comment does make it seem like I meant all the small connectors were shit (which I didn't intend, apologies), so I'll clear that up. I didn't have problems with every single small connector type, only like three or so. They were pretty important however, either due to the amount of them used, or the fact that they were cosmetic and so needed to be able to hold properly. A lot of the connectors that relied on grip were pretty decent, but a lot of them definitely had a bit less than needed to be regularly handled. I remember having to frequently push a few things here and there back into place, namely the hood panels and the doors.

I'll stand by my statement that the pins in the Centenario were generally pretty awful to work with, though. I would NOT recommend building it with CaDA pins. The set was REALLY difficult to pull apart, solely because of these two bastards:

They were so bloody tight I badly scraped my finger on the chassis trying to claw them out at one point.

As for broken pins, about a quarter of the blue 3L pins broke when pulling apart because of how hard/brittle the plastic was. I ended up also breaking a few black 2L pins, but they were mostly fine, if a bit too tight at times (never loose, though). The blue 1/2 pins were pretty tight too, but none broke.

On the whole, my experience with CaDA's pins left me with a pretty sour taste, and wanting to rebuild it with Lego pins.

Another thing I remember was also that the CV joint in one of the wheel hubs didn't hold in place very well, and was very easy to pull out.

The dark azure panels were absolutely beautiful however, so there is that

Edited December 13, 2022 by Bartybum
I've gone back and edited my past comments to be more specific

[aminnich]

@Bartybum quote was changed to quote your edit. 

I think your feedback on the pins is valid, I was going through some of the models yesterday and found quite a few broken. I can’t say I’ve ever seen a broken LEGO pin that was not torture tested. 

[2GodBDGlory]

4 minutes ago, aminnich said:

I can’t say I’ve ever seen a broken LEGO pin that was not torture tested. 

Hehe...
I've probably broken 100+ Lego 2L pins!
I guess my regular use case is approaching torture testing then, which might be true, since I reuse them a lot and am not careful with 'em!

[Gray Gear]

I have to agree about the CADA Pins. While most CADA bricks have decent quality, the pins really are trash. They break easily during normal building, and especially during disassembly. I recommend just dumping them right away and getting some better quality ones from another brand.

I use mostly non-LEGO bricks, this is no LEGO-fanboy trashtalking the competitors.

[brunojj1]

3 hours ago, Gray Gear said:

I have to agree about the CADA Pins. While most CADA bricks have decent quality, the pins really are trash. They break easily during normal building, and especially during disassembly. I recommend just dumping them right away and getting some better quality ones from another brand.

I use mostly non-LEGO bricks, this is no LEGO-fanboy trashtalking the competitors.

I can confirm that their (harder) pins break more easily than others, especially while disassembling. On the other hand the same thing happens to me with older Lego pins as well, because the ABS material becomes harder and brittle with the time or has been different at some point. It was quite noticeable in the Daytona set, that the plastic has become softer, which btw. has its downsides too regarding less clutch power and overall structural stability! But all in all it really doesn´t matter to me, because I have literally tens of thousands of pins around and one broken pin will never ruin my day.

Back to the CaDA sets - they usually deliver plenty of spare parts in the box, so the user has no bigger issues with that, even if he/she has no stock to take from. I really hope they dumped recycled all the older bad batches finally!

[shroomzofdoom]

And now for something completely different.... 

Just wanted to add that CADA now offers 4M pins with friction ridges and their own Beam 3M W/ 4 snap in black w/friction ridges. I've found that these hold up pretty well under daily connect/disconnect duty while working on some trial and error designs. I'm very glad to see the beam with snaps in black as TLG doesn't make them. 

I've tried CADA carbon fiber axles and buggy motors, neither of which lived up to my expectations.

Edited December 13, 2022 by shroomzofdoom

[AVCampos]

59 minutes ago, shroomzofdoom said:

CADA now offers 4M pins with friction ridges and their own

I've been wanting those for years! TLG, after you copied the flip-flop beam from Chinese companies, now's your chance to do it again!

[aFrInaTi0n]

Unfortunatly they are very expensive right now..

 

Ordered 20 of those for testing purposes, but with 0.35 € per piece they are currently living in the category "my precious".. 😅

I also fear that if one gets used to them you will need more.. So I would hope for CaDA pushing the pieces in new Sets for people recognizing them, so CaDA could start to mass produce & therefore decrease the costs per part..

Edited December 13, 2022 by aFrInaTi0n

[gyenesvi]

19 hours ago, shroomzofdoom said:

4M pins with friction ridges

17 hours ago, aFrInaTi0n said:

Ordered 20 of those for testing purposes

Did you guys get these from the cada website (https://decadastore.com/collections/technic)? I'd like to try these, but this site only shows without friction ridges. Is that a typo? What's the clutch power like?

[artic13]

18 hours ago, aFrInaTi0n said:

Unfortunatly they are very expensive right now..

 

Ordered 20 of those for testing purposes, but with 0.35 € per piece they are currently living in the category "my precious".. 😅

I also fear that if one gets used to them you will need more.. So I would hope for CaDA pushing the pieces in new Sets for people recognizing them, so CaDA could start to mass produce & therefore decrease the costs per part..

i dont think CaDa make parts themself include all the blocks. most of chinese block brand using GoBricks brand (good quality).

read from this forum

 

 

Edited December 14, 2022 by artic13
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[efferman]

Could you please remove these off topic Brands. Only Cada is Permitted in this topic.

btw, cada has its own factory for Parts.

[brunojj1]

18 hours ago, aFrInaTi0n said:

I also fear that if one gets used to them you will need more.. 

That´s true indeed - you get used to them quickly, I´m being the lucky one who owns several dozens of them . They will come in the newer sets frequently, but not in vast numbers unfortunately.

1 hour ago, gyenesvi said:

 I'd like to try these, but this site only shows without friction ridges. Is that a typo? What's the clutch power like?

Don´t worry, they really have the friction ridges, holding very tight, similar to the old Lego high friction pins! It´s almost painfull to tear them out - I´m using a slim screwdriver which I insert into the slits betwen those ridges in order to pull them out.

27 minutes ago, artic13 said:

i dont think CaDa make parts themself include all the blocks. most of chinese block brand using GoBricks brand (good quality).

read from this forum

You are dead wrong on this! CaDA is not like the other trash brands you mentioned! CaDA makes own molds, clearly different from all other brands! And one mold costs at least 10,000 (ten thousands!) USD, for your reference. They are trying hard to be distinctive from the others and respect design patents from Lego, unlike the others!

The forum you´re citing from, talks very little about CaDA (this is a CaDA dedicated topic btw.!) and what it tells about their online store is pure nonsence! They actually have an official online store and there are also fake stores around which are not official!

So please stop talking trash and advertising this other crap!

Edited December 14, 2022 by brunojj1

[artic13]

26 minutes ago, brunojj1 said:

That´s true indeed - you get used to them quickly, I´m being the lucky one who owns several dozens of them . They will come in the newer sets frequently, but not in vast numbers unfortunately.

Don´t worry, they really have the friction ridges, holding very tight, similar to the old Lego high friction pins! It´s almost painfull to tear them out - I´m using a slim screwdriver which I insert into the slits betwen those ridges in order to pull them out.

You are dead wrong on this! CaDA is not like the other trash brands you mentioned! CaDA makes own molds, clearly different from all other brands! And one mold costs at least 10,000 (ten thousands!) USD, for your reference. They are trying hard to be distinctive from the others and respect design patents from Lego, unlike the others!

The forum you´re citing from, talks very little about CaDA (this is a CaDA dedicated topic btw.!) and what it tells about their online store is pure nonsence! They actually have an official online store and there are also fake stores around which are not official!

So please stop talking trash and advertising this other crap!

sorry for miss information, you right CaDA is make by double eagle & they not using gobricks.

Screenshot_2 by artic artic, on Flickr

[brunojj1]

5 hours ago, artic13 said:

sorry for miss information, you right CaDA is make by double eagle & they not using gobricks.

Screenshot_2 by artic artic, on Flickr

Thank you for being honest, you´re welcome! Sorry for getting a bit emotional. Just to explain it from my perspective: there is so much crap out there, sometimes it blows my mind how it´s even possible. The L...n company has been shut down, some representatives even went in jail on World IP Day few years ago. Instead, they have stomped 5 other out of the ground, it´s an embarassing hypocrisy by the authorities down there. But the last word is still not spoken on them, we are ready to fight .

Edited December 14, 2022 by brunojj1

[Aleh]

Double Eagle is a registered name of the brand CaDa

[aFrInaTi0n]

@Aleh maybe you have exchanged both with each other...?!

"CaDA Bricks is a brand of building bricks created by the Double Eagle Group, located in mainland China (Shantou city).", via https://decadastore.com/en-de/pages/about-us

[Aleh]

7 hours ago, aFrInaTi0n said:

@Aleh maybe you have exchanged both with each other...?!

"CaDA Bricks is a brand of building bricks created by the Double Eagle Group, located in mainland China (Shantou city).", via https://decadastore.com/en-de/pages/about-us

Oh, yes, sorry. I mean the the Double Eagle is a main group of one or several companies, one of them is CaDa.
Thanks for fixinng my words!

[Bartybum]

14 hours ago, brunojj1 said:

CaDA is not like the other trash brands you mentioned!

GB isn't trash. I've ordered pieces from there before - they're pretty good. Great source for special gears that are otherwise too expensive to buy on BrickLink, like rotary switches and new differential housings

Edited December 15, 2022 by Bartybum

[efferman]

This inspired me to do something "more flexible" based on Cada Parts. Actually i have a single servo for allwheel steering and a single CaDA L Pro for 4wheel drive and a two speed Gearbox.

the actual state (811 parts)

This is actually the Fast gear.

when i make a free instruction, should i go to two drive motors or a buggy motor? Or an instruction for each version?

Does rebrickable accepts mocs with CaDA Parts?

Edited December 15, 2022 by efferman

[brunojj1]

1 hour ago, Bartybum said:

GB isn't trash. I've ordered pieces from there before - they're pretty good. Great source for special gears that are otherwise too expensive to buy on BrickLink, like rotary switches and new differential housings

Who cares? You call garbage what you wanna call and I say it´s trash because I want to call it so. We are still in the CaDA dedicated topic, just to remind you one more time. As for the rotary switch - it´s a part patented by TLG, so that CaDA has made their own substitute as soon as they learned about it. Same for the differentials. That´s what we are talking about!

1 hour ago, efferman said:

This inspired me to do something "more flexible" based on Cada Parts. Actually i have a single servo for allwheel steering and a single CaDA L Pro for 4wheel drive and a two speed Gearbox.

when i make a free instruction, should i go to two drive motors or a buggy motor? Or an instruction for each version?

Does rebrickable accepts mocs with CaDA Parts?

Wow, that´s interesting! I would definitely want to see it moving at different speeds and an upgraded version "on steroids" (buggy motors)! How are you going to make the inventory by CaDA parts on rebrickable? 

Edited December 15, 2022 by brunojj1

[Bartybum]

23 minutes ago, brunojj1 said:

Who cares? You call garbage what you wanna call and I say it´s trash because I want to call it so

Yeah I know. I'm not saying you're not allowed to call it trash lol, I'm just saying that I disagree based on my experiences.

23 minutes ago, brunojj1 said:

As for the rotary switch - it´s a part patented by TLG

I can't say I really care about the patents. If it's somehow a moral issue then I would extend that logic to the entire Technic building system ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't mean it to undermine clone brands' existence, just that I don't care about the patents for a select few pieces

Edited December 15, 2022 by Bartybum

[brunojj1]

1 hour ago, Bartybum said:

Yeah I know. I'm not saying you're not allowed to call it trash lol, I'm just saying that I disagree based on my experiences.

I can't say I really care about the patents. If it's somehow a moral issue then I would extend that logic to the entire Technic building system ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't mean it to undermine clone brands' existence, just that I don't care about the patents for a select few pieces

You have the right to express your opinion, no problem. You don´t care, but would extend the logic etc. There is a difference between selfish, unreflected carelessness and the real serious business where you have to make distinctions, chase opportunities and take the game to a higher level. The entire Technic building system could not be patented forever, as the brick itself, and that´s why it is 100% legitimate for other brands to exist! They use the expired patents for the sake of humanity, because able to produce cheaper and make the playing fun accessible to the other 7+ billion boys and girls around the globe  ! 

Edited December 15, 2022 by brunojj1

[Aleh]

2 hours ago, efferman said:

Does rebrickable accepts mocs with CaDA Parts?

Nope) Inventory does not include non-lego parts. And add such a part is impossible- it won't be approved by moderators.
This is my assumption.

[Bartybum]

30 minutes ago, brunojj1 said:

You don´t care, but would extend the logic etc. That´s the main difference between selfish, unreflected childish carelessness and the real serious business where you have to make distinctions, chase opportunities and take the game to a higher level.

In that case, what real serious business decisions did any clone brand make when they decided to take the low effort approach and directly like-for-like copy the Technic system? A few unique pieces isn't really taking the game to a higher level here. This is why I think it's so weird to focus on just patented pieces, when the entire building system is copied from the beginning.

30 minutes ago, brunojj1 said:

The entire Technic building system could not be patented forever,

Again, don't really care about patents. They're based in legality not morality.

30 minutes ago, brunojj1 said:

They use the expired patents for the sake of humanity, because able to produce cheaper and make the playing fun accessible to the other 7+ billion boys and girls around the globe

Come on...

Edited December 15, 2022 by Bartybum

[efferman]

4 hours ago, brunojj1 said:

How are you going to make the inventory by CaDA parts on rebrickable? 

Then Bricksafe is the way to spread the instruction.

 

4 hours ago, brunojj1 said:

I would definitely want to see it moving at different speeds and an upgraded version "on steroids" (buggy motors)!

i guess one buggy is the max for the gearbox and you know, the battbox is limited in delivering Power.

btw. the actual standing with a preliminary sketch of the Grill.

 

Edit: A little bit of a FTL drive

 

Edited December 15, 2022 by efferman