LEGO Star Wars 2023 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[Mandalorianknight]

1 hour ago, Agent Kallus said:

this is the part where I pretend I knew that all along.

I don't begrudge you for thinking I was serious, I've advocated for rebel friend to be included in sets before (Granted, it was the skywalker saga polybag and some other GWP, but still)

55 minutes ago, Retro Brick Reviews said:

Firstly, awful PPP is the norm for LEGO Star Wars, not an exception. Have you forgotten that Yavin is 1000 pieces for $160? If it's an MBS with 20 or so minifigs, the PPP fits in line with past sets (2016 Death Star was 4016 for $500, 2020 Cantina is 3187 for $400). Any big MBS playset with 5200 pieces could be $650.

To be fair, Yavin has TWELVE TO FIFTEEN FIGS LIKE SERIOUSLY WHAT

[Retro Brick Reviews]

42 minutes ago, Legofan2001 said:

A UCS Geonosis Arena doesn’t have to be JUST the Arena it could also include the caves,droid factory,CIS meeting room,Obi Wan’s prison cell,and even the control room with the Death Star plans.  

At that point is it even a Geonosis Arena? If you have to include every scene that takes place on the planet to stretch it to $650, maybe it's a sign that it just shouldn't be $650 (especially considering that the main thing people want is the three beasts, not the arena build itself).

[Gontron]

I'm not a leaker but I can tell you with 100% certainty the 650$ set is NOT a Geonosis Arena. 

[PsychoBuilder]

1 hour ago, Retro Brick Reviews said:

Thirdly, we already KNOW it can't be a Sail Barge (so I'd really appreciate if people could stop bringing it up). All the leaked survey sets were shown in their current states at the time the survey was made. We know this because the sets we know 100% are coming very soon (Rivendell and Snow White) were complete and fully decorated, while sets we know aren't coming until 2024 at least (Barad-dur and the HP D2Cs) were in earlier stages. With that said, the leaked Sail Barge was in an incredibly primitive state, and therefore there's no way they could have a model finished up by this September to release. It's not the Sail Barge, full stop.

I don't believe that this is all correct. Rivendell was not one of the survey sets, it just happened to leak around the same time. Also, I think it's pretty debatable as to whether or not the Sail Barge was complete or not, based off of the image we got. In addition, Promobricks said that it was reasonably possible that it could come this year, and the apparent price seems fairly in line with what we know about it. The main strike against is that the rumored piece count is pretty far off from the 650$ D2C, so while I would not bet on it, it is not entirely fair to say that it is guaranteed to not be the 2HY D2C.

Edited February 24, 2023 by Brickroll

[Sneakguest]

1 hour ago, Retro Brick Reviews said:

Firstly, awful PPP is the norm for LEGO Star Wars, not an exception. Have you forgotten that Yavin is 1000 pieces for $160? If it's an MBS with 20 or so minifigs, the PPP fits in line with past sets (2016 Death Star was 4016 for $500, 2020 Cantina is 3187 for $400). Any big MBS playset with 5200 pieces could be $650.

Secondly, a Geonosis Arena for $650 would make no sense, it's 3 big animals with an arena backdrop and some columns for prisoners. A playset of $150-$200 would make much more sense, especially considering that a D2C display model would be obliged to at least somewhat adequately fill the stands of the arena, whereas a playset would both have much less space to fill and have no such obligation to fill it adequately.

Thirdly, we already KNOW it can't be a Sail Barge (so I'd really appreciate if people could stop bringing it up). All the leaked survey sets were shown in their current states at the time the survey was made. We know this because the sets we know 100% are coming very soon (Rivendell and Snow White) were complete and fully decorated, while sets we know aren't coming until 2024 at least (Barad-dur and the HP D2Cs) were in earlier stages. With that said, the leaked Sail Barge was in an incredibly primitive state, and therefore there's no way they could have a model finished up by this September to release. It's not the Sail Barge, full stop.

As long as it is a MBS and not any large location UCS they already have released fine by me. I know that lego likes to have a large Death star on the shelves but I think it would be a mistake to release a new one this early, most AFOLs already have one of the earliest versions so they really have to cover it to give some new attractions and then it requires what 1500 parts extra to manage that?

[Fulcrumfan91]

3 minutes ago, Gontron said:

I'm not a leaker but I can tell you with 100% certainty the 650$ set is NOT a Geonosis Arena. 

Yeah, it just wouldn't make sense if it were.

[NoOneOfImportance]

1 hour ago, Retro Brick Reviews said:

Thirdly, we already KNOW it can't be a Sail Barge (so I'd really appreciate if people could stop bringing it up). All the leaked survey sets were shown in their current states at the time the survey was made. We know this because the sets we know 100% are coming very soon (Rivendell and Snow White) were complete and fully decorated, while sets we know aren't coming until 2024 at least (Barad-dur and the HP D2Cs) were in earlier stages. With that said, the leaked Sail Barge was in an incredibly primitive state, and therefore there's no way they could have a model finished up by this September to release. It's not the Sail Barge, full stop.

Just putting this out there, but a friendly reminder that per @JeanGreyForever Rivendell was NOT in the survey, so it has no bearing on when/if survey sets are more likely to release or not. 

We also don't know that the survey sets were in their current states at the time of the survey. While it is likely, we don't know when the survey was put together, and as concept sets for many of them, there could have been significant changes to the sets by the time the survey was actually released. Since the survey only looked at general interest for the sets and price points people would be interested in purchasing them for, it wouldn't have been necessary to give the most finalized models since they would still just be general concepts (albeit finalized may give more impressions, but the sets also had descriptions in the survey to fill in some missing details if the concepts didn't have them) 

As of right now, we shouldn't expect ANY survey sets until at least 2024 if they are given the go-ahead to be produced. 

 

[mirkwoodspiders]

I initially thought the $650 D2C could be another version of the Death Star II, but the original version released years ago was only about 3,500 pieces. I'm not sure exactly where another 2K pieces would go in a set like that, but who knows. I'm betting Endor with a lot of figs.

[Retro Brick Reviews]

1 minute ago, mirkwoodspiders said:

I initially thought the $650 D2C could be another version of the Death Star II, but the original version released years ago was only about 3,500 pieces. I'm not sure exactly where another 2K pieces would go in a set like that, but who knows. I'm betting Endor with a lot of figs.

I doubt it'll be a Death Star II, but considering the primitive level of detail in the greebling on the original I could easily see LEGO burning through at least a thousand more pieces on that alone. That said, I still don't think it'll be that because the awful PPP heavily implies a lot of minifigs, and a display DS2 wouldn't fit that bill.

Edited February 24, 2023 by Retro Brick Reviews

[Legofan2001]

11 minutes ago, Retro Brick Reviews said:

I doubt it'll be a Death Star II, but considering the primitive level of detail in the greebling on the original I could easily see LEGO burning through at least a thousand more pieces on that alone. That said, I still don't think it'll be that because the awful PPP heavily implies a lot of minifigs, and a display DS2 wouldn't fit that bill.

I agree that whatever this set is will likely have a lot of figures. Unless its a Super Star Destroyer (I think it’d be bad to release two UCS remakes the same year though and honestly that also is a knock against MBS Endor as well) considering 2013 UCS sets were the X-Wing and Ewok Village. Which is why I think this is something new like Jabba’s Sail Barge or Geonosis (guess it could be the Mon Cal Cruiser as well but I just don’t know why that would be 650 dollars and have an awful price pre piece) 

[Kit Figsto]

38 minutes ago, Retro Brick Reviews said:

At that point is it even a Geonosis Arena? If you have to include every scene that takes place on the planet to stretch it to $650, maybe it's a sign that it just shouldn't be $650 (especially considering that the main thing people want is the three beasts, not the arena build itself).

Agree.  It was one thing when the Cantina had two extra buildings + two speeders, since the speeders were in the same scenes, and the extra buildings gave playability for the Garindan + Jawa figures (and you can sort of loosely use one of them as the building where R2-D2 and C-3PO hide out), but I feel like Geonosis would just be adding things that weren't even in the same scene in order to pad a piece count.  That's not even counting the problem of making a full size arena but only including the normal 20ish minifigures than an MBS would come with.  That alone pretty much just signals that a playset makes way more sense, as they could easily scale down the stands so that it wouldn't look completely empty (or they could just include the balcony with Dooku, Jango, and the Separatist leaders, which honestly would probably work better).

 

With respect to the $650 set, that picture we got of the Sail Barge looked nowhere close to a $650 set.  Even if it included two skiffs and the Sarlacc pit (which I think are plausible to get with a minifigure scale UCS/MBS Sail Barge), that looked like a $350-400 set at the most.  I know that the picture definitely wasn't a final version, since there were pretty much no exterior details, but it wouldn't make sense to make a preliminary model that's that much smaller than the actual set.  At that point, you're basically designing a completely separate set.  

Even at the rumored price point for that from the survey (I believe it was $500?), I just wasn't seeing the piece count in that set, even if you added in the extra stuff + interior + details on the roof + 20 minifigures.

 

The main problem is that I don't see anything that fits the bill of $650 MBS with that piece count.  Endor maybe, if they included a shield bunker that's a little bit smaller than the size of the Cantina, an AT-ST, and then the Ewok Village that's about the size of the 2013 version, but that seems like a stretch, since it's a bit of a leap going from including two extra buildings with the Cantina to basically packaging two MBS sets together and calling it a day. 

The other issue, though, is that anything at a $650 UCS price point pretty much has to be a remake, and there's just not a lot that fits the piece count.  SSD could make sense, as the ISD just retired, but would they do another remake in the same year?  Someone already brought up that a non-minifigure DS wouldn't really fit the piece count, unless they somehow incorporated in small interior sections (like, it's mostly a globe, but there's areas where you can remove wall to reveal, say, Palpatine's throne room, or Leia's detention cell, etc).  That also seems like a stretch, though.  The only other vehicles that large that I could see actually actually selling and having demand at $650 are the Falcon (already exists), AT-AT (already exists), and SSD (just retired).

Edited February 24, 2023 by Kit Figsto

[Fulcrumfan91]

17 minutes ago, Legofan2001 said:

considering 2013 UCS sets were the X-Wing and Ewok Village

Funnily enough.....I think this year is a re-tread for these sets lol and it makes sense. Also, the Endor set could include that landing pad for the shuttle with like a mini version, as well as the AT-ST and the Ewok village. Just thinking about the price and pcs....makes the most sense to me.

Edited February 24, 2023 by Fulcrumfan91

[Retro Brick Reviews]

I'm going to put out my two-cents for the D2C and be done with it, since as @Kit Figsto pointed out it's very hard to think of something that both feasibly could be a 5200 piece set for $650 and is also iconic enough to fit that bill. That said, here goes: $650 Ewok Village.

Firstly, it is iconic. I'd hazard to call it the most iconic location (not including barren deserts or snowy plains) in the OT after the three we've already had as MBS sets. Several major scenes in RotJ occurred there, including the final scene of the original saga.

Secondly, while this rumored D2C is over double the size of the original Ewok Village, the original (while a great playset) was very scaled down and not overly detailed. If they did a similar section to the original set but at 1:1 minifig scale and with greater detail in both the trees and structures (think Ewok Village on a similar scale and level of grandiosity to the new Rivendell set), I could easily see it at 5200 pieces.

Thirdly, the minifigures. An MBS set of this cost would need a hearty selection, and we know the original Ewok Village had 17. Nixing the Imperial troops and adding more Rebels and Ewoks to celebrate, a selection based purely on the ending scene could have 20+ figures with some actually valuable reprints (General Lando from the 2017 A-Wing, C-3PO from the Trash Compactor OR the UCS Landspeeder), some grHAVEt updates (Luke with the flap, Endor Dress Leia, Ackbar), Ewoks new and old (they could even recolor the baby bundle piece to be a Wokling), and, of course, this could be a golden opportunity for the LSW team to knock out the four most desired OT figures in one fell swoop: Nien Nunb and the three Force Ghosts. (This is of course presuming they've finally realized that they don't HAVE to be transparent, lmao). Oh, and bonus points for that if they make a new Wedge for Yavin IV they can also plop it in here.

Fourthly, the evidence. While it being the RotJ anniversary means very little (we got two ESB sets for the ANH anniversary and a ROTJ set and an ANH anniversary), it's important to note the only 2HY minifgure that's leaked for Star Wars thus far: a Holiday Ewok. More often than not, if the exclusive Holiday figs aren't excessively era-generic (R2 or 3PO, in other words), they're almost always linked to the sets of that year. Ergo, it's very likely we do get Ewoks in some capacity later this year. With most of the sets spoken for, that leaves the MBS set and the unknown 1083-piece set. (And with Yavin already being a non-MBS playset this summer I would highly suspect the 1083-piece set to be a large ship rather than yet another playset).

As to why it's not the bunker... it's not big enough even at 1:1 scale, as far fewer opportunities for interesting figs, and is just generally a boring gray trapezoid (Not a bad thing, just not worth $650). Also that scene basically requires an AT-ST, and I doubt they'd throw one in here while the Hoth version is still warming shelves.

That said, I take full license to be wrong on this. See y'all in five months when LEGO reveals the new UCS Yoda's Escape Pod for $650.

 

 

Edited February 24, 2023 by Retro Brick Reviews

[Legofan2001]

1 hour ago, Kit Figsto said:

Agree.  It was one thing when the Cantina had two extra buildings + two speeders, since the speeders were in the same scenes, and the extra buildings gave playability for the Garindan + Jawa figures (and you can sort of loosely use one of them as the building where R2-D2 and C-3PO hide out), but I feel like Geonosis would just be adding things that weren't even in the same scene in order to pad a piece count.  That's not even counting the problem of making a full size arena but only including the normal 20ish minifigures than an MBS would come with.  That alone pretty much just signals that a playset makes way more sense, as they could easily scale down the stands so that it wouldn't look completely empty (or they could just include the balcony with Dooku, Jango, and the Separatist leaders, which honestly would probably work better).

 

With respect to the $650 set, that picture we got of the Sail Barge looked nowhere close to a $650 set.  Even if it included two skiffs and the Sarlacc pit (which I think are plausible to get with a minifigure scale UCS/MBS Sail Barge), that looked like a $350-400 set at the most.  I know that the picture definitely wasn't a final version, since there were pretty much no exterior details, but it wouldn't make sense to make a preliminary model that's that much smaller than the actual set.  At that point, you're basically designing a completely separate set.  

Even at the rumored price point for that from the survey (I believe it was $500?), I just wasn't seeing the piece count in that set, even if you added in the extra stuff + interior + details on the roof + 20 minifigures.

Promobricks claimed that the “leaked” Sail Barge had a piece of count of 6,000! Yet there is ZERO chance that leaked picture of the sail barge came anywhere close to 6,000 pieces which is why I think that photo is just a picture of some prototype sail barge lego made at some point. Even with 2-3 Skiff’s and a Sarlacc Pit that leaked picture looks like 2,000 pieces tops (throw in a pit+2-3 skiffs and maybe it’s 3,500 pieces.) so that’s why I still think the sail barge is the most likely UCS set this year. 

[Meaf]

I said this a few days ago, but I really just don't think Lego could get away with making the Sail Barge $650. Even if the model doesn't resemble the survey version whatsoever, I just don't think it makes much sense. It's certainly iconic, but not iconic to the point that a lot of people would spend $650 on it. More importantly, there are other candidates that would most likely sell better. My bet would be on a new minifig scale Death Star or Ewok Village. @Retro Brick Reviews already made a great case for the latter, and I think the Death Star speaks for itself. It's gonna happen again sooner or later.

[QuiggoldsPegLeg]

52 minutes ago, Meadius said:

I said this a few days ago, but I really just don't think Lego could get away with making the Sail Barge $650. Even if the model doesn't resemble the survey version whatsoever, I just don't think it makes much sense. It's certainly iconic, but not iconic to the point that a lot of people would spend $650 on it. More importantly, there are other candidates that would most likely sell better. My bet would be on a new minifig scale Death Star or Ewok Village. @Retro Brick Reviews already made a great case for the latter, and I think the Death Star speaks for itself. It's gonna happen again sooner or later.

I’d gladly spend $650 on a Sail Barge. (Well, not gladly, but I’d want it more than I’ve wanted any other Lego set ever.)

And it’s a ridiculous argument that Lego wouldn’t make a $650 Sail Barge, because they already made a $600 Razor Crest, which is a ship that appeared in 14 episodes of a show and is significantly less iconic than the Sail Barge. It’s also just a less appealing build with less minifigs.

Also if Lego is going to do a UCS Sail Barge, it would be really annoying for it to not be minifig scale. The Barge is 5 metres longer than the Razor Crest and 4.5 metres shorter than the Millennium Falcon. So they’d need to make it a really large minifig-scale set, or else there’s no point in making it larger than a $200 playset. 

For clarity, I’d absolutely love a large MBS Endor set, but Jabba’s Sail Barge definitely shouldn’t be any smaller than a $600 set if/when it’s released.

[Frizzlefry25]

$850 AT-AT love it, but skipped it! $600 Razorcrest, glad I had the smaller one, and then upgraded it with a MOC for a lot less than $600, newcoming $650 set, I don't care if it is Jabba's barge, or an iconic location, these prices are insane.  I get a one off or two, like the Falcon and Star Destroyer, both Iconic ships with years of history, but dropping yearly sets at these price points has turned me into an admirer instead of a buyer.

I will enjoy the speculation, but as a UCS collector I am retired, and I just don't see smaller sets as display pieces.

[AD_Bricks]

6 hours ago, Legofan2001 said:

considering 2013 UCS sets were the X-Wing and Ewok Village.

 

6 hours ago, Fulcrumfan91 said:

Funnily enough.....I think this year is a re-tread for these sets lol and it makes sense.

Return of the 2013 Gunship? Please? No? Damn.

[TeddytheSpoon]

4 hours ago, Frizzlefry25 said:

$850 AT-AT love it, but skipped it! $600 Razorcrest, glad I had the smaller one, and then upgraded it with a MOC for a lot less than $600, newcoming $650 set, I don't care if it is Jabba's barge, or an iconic location, these prices are insane.  I get a one off or two, like the Falcon and Star Destroyer, both Iconic ships with years of history, but dropping yearly sets at these price points has turned me into an admirer instead of a buyer.

I will enjoy the speculation, but as a UCS collector I am retired, and I just don't see smaller sets as display pieces.

This has been a trend with LEGO for a while, not just Star Wars. Bigger, more expensive sets explicitly targeting an older, less toy-focussed audience.

That said it's not one I'm particularly enamoured by - the gunship is the only UCS set I've bought in a long time, and although I enjoyed it, dropping 350eur on that alone did feel strange to say the least.

[Legoman123]

If it's UCS it'll most likely be a ship of sort's won't it?  If it's not MBS then it's probably unlikely to be a playlet but more of a model that can sit on a shelf but have an interior like the UCS Razor Crest or AT-AT.

I know it might seem a bit out there but I think it could be The Ghost with a full interior.  We've only ever seen one version of The Ghost and the interior was lacklustre to say the least. 

[Fulcrumfan91]

36 minutes ago, Legoman123 said:

If it's UCS it'll most likely be a ship of sort's won't it?  If it's not MBS then it's probably unlikely to be a playlet but more of a model that can sit on a shelf but have an interior like the UCS Razor Crest or AT-AT.

I know it might seem a bit out there but I think it could be The Ghost with a full interior.  We've only ever seen one version of The Ghost and the interior was lacklustre to say the least. 

I think there's a much higher likelihood that the Ghost comes out as a playset first, no way would it be UCS this year especially if the Ahsoka show hasn't started and it hasn't played a major role in it (at least to begin the show). Endor is, I agree, the most likely for the MBS.  

[Matichado]

If the 1083 pieces set isn’t a gunship I can see it being another bad batch shuttle with updates minifigs and maybe a plain p2 trooper, I still think the gunship is more likely

16 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

If you are begging then beg, but to quote retrobrick quoting me vaguely quoting Ben solo ‘Let the past die.’

Yeah this is exactly the thing with old helmet and Hunter.

I’d take any system scale gunship, but I’d prefer fully closing doors.

Then you lack imagination, there are dozens of things it could be, part of me suspects we don’t know about it because it’s something we don’t know about yet. I mean there could be other reasons we don’t know, maybe it’s a retailer exclusive or maybe there’s another retailer exclusive set that we don’t know anything about yet… I mean I’d also like a gunship don’t get me wrong and Lego would be foolish if they don’t make one relatively soon.

They might’ve gone back on it but at one I’m sure that at somepoint one of our reliable sources said the autumn UCS was the sail barge.

this is the part where I pretend I knew that all along.

Tbh I don’t hate the new helmet mold for clones I think people are overheating it, the holes are barely noticeable in person, tho I much prefer to old helmet

[Retro Brick Reviews]

1 minute ago, Matichado said:

If the 1083 pieces set isn’t a gunship I can see it being another bad batch shuttle with updates minifigs and maybe a plain p2 trooper, I still think the gunship is more likely

Why would it be a new Bad Batch Shuttle, the old one isn't even retired???

[Gontron]

Is the 1083 piece set not related to Ahsoka? I thought it was. 

[McMurder_them_softly]

2 minutes ago, Gontron said:

Is the 1083 piece set not related to Ahsoka? I thought it was. 

I don't think it has been rumored to be linked to anything yet.