Technic 2023 Set Discussion

[barberminged]

39 minutes ago, gyenesvi said:

That was my other reasonable guess regarding that recently discovered new item (previous page) with number 88013 (which is close to other PU motors and batteries) and dimensions about 10 x 11 x 6 studs (which maybe the box dimensions).

 

10 minutes ago, kbalage said:

You mean 88019 ;) Theoretically it can be anything as the large Mindstorms Technic hub's number is 88016 so this range is not only reserved for motors and accessories. I'm not sure though that creating yet another hub for the platform would be really a step in the right direction. 

I dont think it will be a hub, in the json data from their webserver, it says "isBatteryOperated: false"..im leaning more towards a new motor or sensor of some kind. :)

[Jim]

10 hours ago, kbalage said:

You mean 88019 ;) Theoretically it can be anything as the large Mindstorms Technic hub's number is 88016 so this range is not only reserved for motors and accessories. I'm not sure though that creating yet another hub for the platform would be really a step in the right direction. 

Of course it is. And it needs to be developed by a different department and have a confusing name!   

[Jockos]

I think at this point I just give up... I mean..speaking of all themes. I don't know how leaks "born", but that jumping in set number, price, piece count several times before the release...what happens? Also, the Liebherr better have more parts, or be 450€...It's simply unsustainable now to be a FOL. I'm starting to feel like a FOuL...

[kbalage]

9 hours ago, barberminged said:

I dont think it will be a hub, in the json data from their webserver, it says "isBatteryOperated: false"..im leaning more towards a new motor or sensor of some kind. :)

We'll see. The dimensions are weird, even if that's the packaging. Motors, sensors and lights come in plastic bags and I couldn't find such dimension details for them on the official pages. As far as I know only the hubs are packed in paper boxes, but this almost square thing doesn't really look like anything we had before. 

[gyenesvi]

12 hours ago, kbalage said:

You mean 88019 ;) Theoretically it can be anything as the large Mindstorms Technic hub's number is 88016 so this range is not only reserved for motors and accessories. I'm not sure though that creating yet another hub for the platform would be really a step in the right direction. 

I would actually not be surprised if it was just a recolor of the Mindstorms hub. Maybe with proper support for BLE. But yeah, the 'isBatteryOperated: false' flag points in a different direction. Though might be that a battery is not operated by a battery; it is a battery itself :D But that's getting too philosophical..

Edited March 2, 2023 by gyenesvi

[keymaker]

To be honest I am super curious what is the reason of such high price. The only reasonable is the presence of electronics, but even then, what electronic it would be...42100 had a ton of electronics, ton of parts and still, price around what, 400 € ?

Edited March 2, 2023 by keymaker

[Jockos]

4 minutes ago, keymaker said:

To be honest I am super curius what is the reason of such high price. The only reasonable is the presence of electronics, but even then, what electronic it would be...42100 had a ton of electronics, ton of parts and still, price around what, 400 € ?

Maybe because it was before the dark times...

[johnnytifosi]

I'm not going to get outraged over the price of the Liebherr, anything over 100 euros for a heap of plastic is way over my budget anyway... I am just wondering how many people actually buy those sets, because Lego has overdone it the past few years with all these overpriced sets, there have to be enough people able to afford to waste so much on toys. There used to be a time when the flagship sets were 150 euros and even that seemed crazy. I am more angry about the fact that year after year there is almost nothing worth buying at the affordable range besides the 10 euro sets. We've been overwhelmed with useless pullbacks and fugly car merchandise.

Edited March 2, 2023 by johnnytifosi

[allanp]

Well there might be a silicone shortage which is pumping up the prices of electronics but that doesn't make it more valuable to me as the customer, at least not when it comes to non-essential things (and especially speaking as a fan of the more mechanical Technic, not the more electronic and coding based mindstorms), but I have a hard time believing that price is accurate anyway. If it is correct, even with my tendency to come up with fanciful new parts, it's hard to think of new parts that could both be reasonably expected from Lego but at the same time worth that price. Actual hydraulics with hydraulic motor drives for the tracks, winches and slew ring would be worth that price, but I don't think we could expect that from Lego. We could probably expect a metal hook, but that's not worth that price. A combination of a new motor with the power of the buggy motor (and it comes with many of them), metal hook, and a physical controller with a number of fully proportional dual axis joysticks and many many buttons, then we are somewhere in the ball park of that price. But wouldn't it be better to release such a controller as a separate PU accessory anyway? It's too early to get too annoyed with the price though until we know more about the crane and know for sure that is the actual price. I do hope the price matches the product though, I haven't bought a flagship technic set since 42100! While they release 18+ sets and super expensive sets, my favourite sets have been neither of those but the sets just below the flagship, such as the airbus, material handler and pneumatic tow truck, and that not because they are smaller and cheaper, but because they have the heart of true Technic. I'd love for there to be a 400 Euro or 500 Euro Technic mega flagship with the same focus on mechanical representations of real life but have yet to see it from Lego. 

[keymaker]

2 hours ago, Jockos said:

Maybe because it was before the dark times...

You may be right. I have never spent more than 330 €  on one set and I'm not going to, so it is like half of the price TLG will want for this set. And at the end, I'm just seeing this set as a part pack, so I hope it will have some nice parts which I will be able to pick up separately from lego store or bricklink.

Edited March 2, 2023 by keymaker

[Jim]

1 hour ago, keymaker said:

To be honest I am super curius what is the reason of such high price. The only reasonable is the presence of electronics, but even then, what electronic it would be...42100 had a ton of electronics, ton of parts and still, price around what, 400 € ?

Exactly. Curious myself as well. But it definitely has to be something really really special for me to fork out over 600 euros for a Technic set right away.

[Gimmick]

2 hours ago, keymaker said:

To be honest I am super curius what is the reason of such high price. The only reasonable is the presence of electronics, but even then, what electronic it would be...42100 had a ton of electronics, ton of parts and still, price around what, 400 € ?

Yep lol. Razor Crest costs 600 € for 6200 pieces. Even if I overestimate the price for the electronics, there are still like 500 € left for 2900 pices xD

What are they creating? Large complex parts? Screws and nuts? Delivery by a crane? Powered by Raspberry Pi? Dedicated power supply? xD

[nerdsforprez]

6 hours ago, keymaker said:

To be honest I am super curious what is the reason of such high price.

ditto.  In fact, I really didn't want to respond here, but 680 euros compelled me to throw my hat in the ring here.  I know things will all be ironed out with time, but unless it comes with Liebherr boots and coveralls I don't know how in the world they can price it here.  Will be interesting to follow.  I said last year when it was supposed to be released last summer that this was a day one purchase for me.   Now I am not so sure... 

For that price one can almost buy one of the large die cast cranes.... which have at least half the pieces of this set.  I have some of those cranes.  As much as I love Lego, I would MUCH rather prefer something like what was mentioned by @Saberwing40kon the last page... 

[mugwump]

The Liebherr is a day one purchase for me! I play professional football and my 5-year old daughter loves cranes. We show expensive toys on her Instagram

[nerdsforprez]

4 minutes ago, mugwump said:

We show expensive toys on her Instagram

Don't confuse expense with value.  I complain of the expense not because I cannot afford it but b/c of the potential of poor value (few elements, no evidence of electronics that would justify cost).  Of course, I reserve judgment for now, and I hope this product presents with enough value for me to feel good about purchasing it.  I also love cranes!  

[Maaboo the Witch]

5 minutes ago, nerdsforprez said:

I also love cranes!  

Who doesn't?

[johnnytifosi]

3 hours ago, nerdsforprez said:

ditto.  In fact, I really didn't want to respond here, but 680 euros compelled me to throw my hat in the ring here.  I know things will all be ironed out with time, but unless it comes with Liebherr boots and coveralls I don't know how in the world they can price it here.  Will be interesting to follow.  I said last year when it was supposed to be released last summer that this was a day one purchase for me.   Now I am not so sure... 

For that price one can almost buy one of the large die cast cranes.... which have at least half the pieces of this set.  I have some of those cranes.  As much as I love Lego, I would MUCH rather prefer something like what was mentioned by @Saberwing40kon the last page...  

Damn, you can buy a 2.6m high diecast version of the same crane for 980 euros... It really puts into perspective how overpriced any Lego set really is.

[Jockos]

1 hour ago, johnnytifosi said:

Damn, you can buy a 2.6m high diecast version of the same crane for 980 euros... It really puts into perspective how overpriced any Lego set really is.

True, and I'm not trying to deny it, but a diecast model cannot be turned into anything the pieces allow. It is what it is.

[Saberwing40k]

Whoa whoa whoa, the price for 42146 went up again? To freaking 680 euro? Wow, if the rumors are true, and it indeed has gotten smaller, that makes it an even more poor value.

Just for the sake of comparasion, right now I could get a 1:50 scale model of a Liebherr LR 1600 crawler crane for €100 LESS than the cost of 42146. And, that model includes everything, ballast carrier, derrick, luffing jib, everything. And, it's made completely out of diecast. Oh, and as a bonus, this is from the Mammoet web store, so it's a limited edition version in their iconic and slick black and red livery. 

42100 was expensive, almost to the point of a diecast model as well, but it was a big, well detailed model AND included lots of electronics AND also was a 4000 piece set. How on earth do you justify a set with fewer parts costing 50% more?

16 minutes ago, Jockos said:

True, and I'm not trying to deny it, but a diecast model cannot be turned into anything the pieces allow. It is what it is.

While that is true, if I wanted to get a bunch of pieces, why would I spend my money on a set with such terrible value? I could, for instance, but a lot of used parts off of Bricklink, or buy other sets that are better part packs. 

Also, I hate Hate HATE the expression "It is what it is". That basically amounts to saying, "yes, it's bad, but we're not going to try and fix it, and there's no way to fix it, so just suck it up." It is letting the world be a terrible place. But, I'm not going to rant too much about that.

Edited March 2, 2023 by Saberwing40k

[Jockos]

25 minutes ago, Saberwing40k said:

While that is true, if I wanted to get a bunch of pieces, why would I spend my money on a set with such terrible value? I could, for instance, but a lot of used parts off of Bricklink, or buy other sets that are better part packs. 

Also, I hate Hate HATE the expression "It is what it is". That basically amounts to saying, "yes, it's bad, but we're not going to try and fix it, and there's no way to fix it, so just suck it up." It is letting the world be a terrible place. But, I'm not going to rant too much about that.

Though I agree with you, I have to clarify my thought. Maybe my use of words wasn't the most precise, sorry for that, but what I wanted to mean, aside from the price, that diecast models (to mimic life-like things) are made up of parts which cannot be combined to anything else, so it is what it is; a true replica of a car/boat/crane etc. Unlike Lego in general, which is in some cases close to life-like in look, can be combined into other things, using the same parts. Still, that doesn't justify the rumoured price.

[Saberwing40k]

Oh, okay. I get what you're saying.

[1340cc]

On 2/26/2023 at 6:14 AM, LvdH said:

Apparently 42159 will be a Yamaha MT. Considering the price point ($250) it's probably the successor to the BMW bike. 

Yamaha's MT10 wouldn't have been my first choice but I'm happy they are continuing with the 1:5 bikes. Love that they have chosen something Japanese instead of the usual Euro/USA brands.

[Jurss]

[Jockos]

27 minutes ago, Jurss said:

 

 

[nerdsforprez]

12 hours ago, Saberwing40k said:

Also, I hate Hate HATE the expression "It is what it is".

Agreed.  Very vacuous phrase.  What if the "is" that is being referred to is incredibly awesome?  Or complex?  Most "things" or "occurrences" in life are multifactorial or very complex.  This phrase seems to dilute that fact. 

In reference to using this to define die cast cranes... well, true, "they are what they are."  But not really.  As already mentioned, I have several.  They are actually very playable and transformative.  They come with instructions on how to put them in all the different configurations of the real cranes.  For example, in the case of my NZG Liebherr 11200 LTM, this is like 14 different configurations! And that is not including the extended luffing jib.  There are different hook blocks for different lifts, the telescopic boom has like 6 different stages, setting it up in just ONE different configuration takes like an hour.   I have to stand on a stood or small latter to fully play with it,  My back hurts when I am done    What I am trying to say is the playability actually in these cranes is INCREDIBLY awesome.  So much more than a built Lego set.  Don't get me wrong, Lego has more playability in the assembly and further building possibilities that a diecast set, but once built, IMHO a diecast set has much more playability that Lego.  

This should not be interpreted as a distraction from the thread.  I state all this to prove a point in relation to the set being discussed.  If indeed the price of 680 euros is correct, and there is not something offered well above what we already know, my $$ may very well go towards a kickin' RC car or another diecast crane.  As a die-hard Lego fan, I think that really means something.   I think they are treading  a very fine line here....

13 hours ago, Jockos said:

but a diecast model cannot be turned into anything the pieces allow. 

Which equals hours and hours and hours of play time...... in some ways much more play time that even the biggest Lego Technic sets....

4 hours ago, Jurss said:

This is cute but honestly not sure I understand the meaning.  Are you trying to convey that AFOLs should "stop being poor"? 

If so this is a complete missing the point.  I don't think that the complaints about the price always have to be interpreted this way.  For me it is more about not wanting to buy something of low value.  Its not about not being able to afford the overall cost. 

If that is not the intended meaning, just ignore  my post