Technic 2023 Set Discussion

[mortenm]

It doesn't seem that the price tag on the Liebherr is gonna change 😔

[Maaboo the Witch]

18 minutes ago, mortenm said:

It doesn't seem that the price tag on the Liebherr is gonna change 😔

Doesn't seem that anyone is gonna buy it.

[Jockos]

So it has 2 hubs, 6 motors and 150 cm height as opposed to the leaked box... I'm curious what's gonna turn out of it.

[Jim]

2 hours ago, Maaboo35 said:

Doesn't seem that anyone is gonna buy it.

That's what we hear with every new expensive set. And every time we are wrong.

[nerdsforprez]

3 hours ago, Jockos said:

So it has 2 hubs, 6 motors and 150 cm height as opposed to the leaked box... I'm curious what's gonna turn out of it.

That is a change.  Last info we had, if I am not mistaken, was 100cm.  If 150 is correct, that is a step in the right direction (in terms of price validation) 

At nearly 5 ft.  that is certainly something to write home to mom about.... 

Edited May 11, 2023 by nerdsforprez

[Maaboo the Witch]

41 minutes ago, Jim said:

That's what we hear with every new expensive set. And every time we are wrong.

I'd rather have a PS5, myself.

[Jim]

Just now, Maaboo35 said:

I'd rather have a PS5, myself.

Of course. But lots of people buying the expesive sets might already have one or don’t want one.

[howitzer]

30 minutes ago, Maaboo35 said:

I'd rather have a PS5, myself.

Sure, you do with your money what you want.

Like Jim, I think the Liebherr will probably sell quite well despite the price. And as such, the price won't ever be too high, until the set no longer sells because of it.

Not that I would get with that kind of price, it's far beyond what I'm willing to pay for Lego.

[HydroWorld Outlook]

1 hour ago, howitzer said:

Sure, you do with your money what you want.

Like Jim, I think the Liebherr will probably sell quite well despite the price. And as such, the price won't ever be too high, until the set no longer sells because of it.

Not that I would get with that kind of price, it's far beyond what I'm willing to pay for Lego.

Let's also not lose sight of the fact that the value of parts the set contains factors in as well, especially new elements and existing ones in new colors. Even if the set by itself doesn't prove to be worth the money, many MOC builders (especially those who enjoy building heavy construction equipment) may still go after it gung ho for the parts it contains, especially the new frames and (possibly) new counterweight elements. While some of the set's new pieces, like the A-Frames, may be possible to find in the much cheaper 42157 set, the more useful straight variants (the 7x17 frames) will likely remain exclusive to this set until shops on Bricklink start selling them individually. Unfortunately, as we all know, there is an obvious delay that occurs between the official set's worldwide release and the separate sales of its individual parts.

New parts are not sold individually until there are enough of them in general production, and the online shops stock them up. Until then, buying the entire 42146 set will be the only possible way to get these exclusive new pieces, so anyone who wants them before they are individually available will have no choice but to purchase the entire set regardless of whether they like the official model or not. TLG could benefit from this market in the time that it takes for Bricklink to start selling these new pieces outside of the 42146 set. But it's important to note that even after these new parts become available outside of the set they come in, they'll still be considered rare and expensive no matter what as long as they only exist in one set, especially after that one set is eventually discontinued. We'd have to wait until TLG uses them again in another set to drive those costs down.

Edited May 11, 2023 by HydroWorld Outlook

[howitzer]

30 minutes ago, HydroWorld Outlook said:

Let's also not lose sight of the fact that the value of parts the set contains factors in as well, especially new elements and existing ones in new colors. Even if the set by itself doesn't prove to be worth the money, many MOC builders (especially those who enjoy building heavy construction equipment) may still go after it gung ho for the parts it contains, especially the new frames and (possibly) new counterweight elements. While some of the set's new pieces, like the A-Frames, may be possible to find in the much cheaper 42157 set, the more useful straight variants (the 7x17 frames) will likely remain exclusive to this set until shops on Bricklink start selling them individually. Unfortunately, as we all know, there is an obvious delay that occurs between the official set's worldwide release and the separate sales of its individual parts.

New parts are not sold individually until there are enough of them in general production, and the online shops stock them up. Until then, buying the entire 42146 set will be the only possible way to get these exclusive new pieces, so anyone who wants them before they are individually available will have no choice but to purchase the entire set regardless of whether they like the official model or not. TLG could benefit from this market in the time that it takes for Bricklink to start selling these new pieces outside of the 42146 set. But it's important to note that even after these new parts become available outside of the set they come in, they'll still be considered rare and expensive no matter what as long as they only exist in one set, especially after that one set is eventually discontinued. We'd have to wait until TLG uses them again in another set to drive those costs down.

I don't think there are that many people who both have enough money to casually dispose and are in such a hurry to get the new parts that they couldn't wait for 6-12 months or whatever it takes to those parts to start appearing in BL for a good enough price. I believe most buyers will want to have the set for itself, to assemble it and to play with it.

Some or all of those new parts might also find their way into PaB in a few months, though there's no certainty on that. For the parts that do make it to PaB it's much faster to get them for an affordable price than from BL.

[Jim]

I don’t mind paying this amount of money for a (Technic) set. I’m just not (yet) seeing the value in this one. But I will gladly wait for the reviews to prove me wrong.

[Repkovsky]

3 hours ago, nerdsforprez said:

That is a change.  Last info we had, if I am not mistaken, was 100cm.  If 150 is correct, that is a step in the right direction (in terms of price validation) 

At nearly 5 ft.  that is certainly something to write home to mom about.... 

Actually we had the same info in March, but at the time it went unnoticed:

 

[allanp]

We didn't get leaked images of the other sets but we did get one for the Liebherr, maybe to gauge public opinion? For a similar PU content as 42100 (one less motor) and 150cm height, that comes closer to explaining the price. Maybe this could lift the top piece onto the 10307 eiffel tower? That would be impressive.

[JaBaCaDaBra]

14 hours ago, Jim said:

I don’t mind paying this amount of money for a (Technic) set. I’m just not (yet) seeing the value in this one. But I will gladly wait for the reviews to prove me wrong.

Same but exchange "not seeing the value" for "where to find a place to put this giant?"

Edited May 12, 2023 by JaBaCaDaBra

[Jim]

1 hour ago, JaBaCaDaBra said:

Same but exchange "not seeing the value" for "where to find a place to put this giant?"

Lol. Fair point.

I don’t keep my sets assembled so for me, it’s not really an issue.

[nerdsforprez]

16 hours ago, Repkovsky said:

Actually we had the same info in March, but at the time it went unnoticed:

 

On the actual Liebherr 13000 thread there was chatter that it had been reduced to 100cm.  But I see that they were older posts... 

Edited May 12, 2023 by nerdsforprez

[pleegwat]

I think 6 motors is also new? I'm pretty sure I've previously heard 1 hub.

[howitzer]

1 hour ago, pleegwat said:

I think 6 motors is also new? I'm pretty sure I've previously heard 1 hub.

Yeah, previously that was the rumour, but according to Jim's info there's 6 motors and 2 hubs. That makes the price slightly more palatable, but unless there's also something else that's phenomenally cool, I don't see myself buying that (and maybe not even then, it's a lot of money.)

[kbalage]

2 hours ago, howitzer said:

Yeah, previously that was the rumour, but according to Jim's info there's 6 motors and 2 hubs. That makes the price slightly more palatable, but unless there's also something else that's phenomenally cool, I don't see myself buying that (and maybe not even then, it's a lot of money.)

42100 had 2 hubs and 7 motors for 450 EUR. Even with the price increases since that release 700 EUR seems to be a quite bold price tag that cannot be justified alone by the electronics included. 

[howitzer]

9 hours ago, kbalage said:

42100 had 2 hubs and 7 motors for 450 EUR. Even with the price increases since that release 700 EUR seems to be a quite bold price tag that cannot be justified alone by the electronics included. 

Indeed, though the previously rumoured 1 hub and 4 motors would've been even more outrageous.

[zoo]

3 hours ago, howitzer said:

Indeed, though the previously rumoured 1 hub and 4 motors would've been even more outrageous.

Since this was nothing more than a rumor, it feels kind of pointless to refer to it.

[Jim]

10 hours ago, zoo said:

Since this was nothing more than a rumor, it feels kind of pointless to refer to it.

Rumors tend to be true quite frequently, so it’s not that pointless.

[Maaboo the Witch]

30 minutes ago, Jim said:

Rumors tend to be true quite frequently, so it’s not that pointless.

Agreed. This forum runs on rumours!

[pleegwat]

I'm pretty certain there's previously been a set we were certain was going to contain two hubs, and ended up having only one and a gearbox.

Regarding 42100, as I recall we knew at the time that it was priced low for the amount of electronics it contained. And I think something similar happened on PF's debut? That was in my dark age though.

[Bartybum]

I'm very likely in the minority here, but damn I wish the upcoming Liebherr wasn't Control+, especially given how slow it'll undoubtedly be. Not only could it be far more affordable, but I also love when huge and slow models have gearboxes that require levers to operate them, like the BWE. You have to get your hands on the machine and physically interact with it to make it work. Kinda feels like a missed opportunity for my tastes, but I could understand why others may disagree.

Edited May 14, 2023 by Bartybum