SamVimes Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Scarilian said: You may dislike the conversation being mentioned here but nothing they stated is incorrect and throwing insults at them won't change that. Nothing in the original comment you replied to showed they had any animosity towards the film. Spoiler tagged the sources and box office tracking. Reveal hidden contents The box office tracking suggests The Marvels will be a box office bomb losing a lot of money for Disney, at this stage the estimated previews for The Marvels ($5.35m) are lower than Morbius ($5.7m) and the previously predicted opening weekend of $41-$55m is lower than The Flash and Black Adam. All of that is factual. Quote implies, we could see. Yeah, Nothing in the original comment, Legocentrico's post history however..... Also not a lot of actual facts dude. Lots of speculation though. Lot of Echo chamber speculation at that. I mean who would have thought a global pandemic and recession would stop people from going to the movies? Wild! Quote abysmal movie performance won't help sales. Lots of speculation. Again. But the price really won't help sales, you are right about that. 47 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: It's worse than a Hoopty. The Hoopty is going to sell terribly, whereas being the first standard system X-men set in a decade (and the first one in a decade period to feature characters besides wolverine and magneto), the X-jet will probably still do pretty well, and therefore reinforce to lego that they can do this type of thing. Plenty of movies have done well this year, marvel movies included. Top ten movies this year have both of Marvel's releases? If it does even average? It's still better than some of the dross released this year, Meg 2 being a solid example, I liked the first one but that less jumped the shark and more rode it into light speed....woof..
Agent Kallus Posted November 6, 2023 Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SamVimes said: Top ten movies this year Crazy that the best movie that I've seen in the cinema this year didn't make the top 200 ( or it would've been until I realised it released last year in the US). But I don't think the sale of movie tickets is that relavent. Especially if this is presales, most movie goers just buy Thier tickets on the day, so presales only tell you about a certain type of person. Edited November 6, 2023 by Agent Kallus
Mandalorianknight Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, SamVimes said: Top ten movies this year have both of Marvel's releases? If it does even average? It's still better than some of the dross released this year, Meg 2 being a solid example, I liked the first one but that less jumped the shark and more rode it into light speed....woof.. ... yes, you're proving our point. Marvel releases are in the top 10 movies this year. The Marvels is tracking for significantly below that. We're talking about how the film seems like it's going to be a bomb for the company, and how it's predicted poor performance could impact sales of the tie-in set. Insulting people, as you did @Legocentrico, doesn't change box office predictions, and I have absolutely no idea where you think the Meg factors in.
Shiva Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 On 11/6/2023 at 2:10 AM, psqidexslizer said: The hair is, IMO, the biggest thing holding the Rogue minifigure back. The color is wrong. The style is wrong. The white at the top is just executed horribly. IMO, they should have given her the Agatha hairpiece in dark red and painted the top white, similar to what they did with the 2020 Two-Face figure. The torso and head are both fantastic. The legs are alright. Dual molding would have been preferable but I think they look good enough. This Two-Face https://brickset.com/minifigs/sh594/two-face-black-shirt-red-tie-and-jacket? Rogue's hair, a colour between the red and Agatha's, could have been perfect. The white mark? If Rogue would look 45degrees to the left, then the white would be in the right place.
psqidexslizer Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 34 minutes ago, Shiva said: This Two-Face https://brickset.com/minifigs/sh594/two-face-black-shirt-red-tie-and-jacket? Yep.
Clone OPatra Posted November 7, 2023 Author Posted November 7, 2023 I'm keeping an eye on this discussion. Insults and rude attitudes won't be tolerated. Talking box office predictions / tracking / presales of a film as they may or may not relate to the success of a set is fair game here as long as it stays focussed on the LEGO. These numbers aren't mere guesswork or total speculation, though some guesswork factors into the science of them. Regardless, they can still tell us a thing or two about how a film might perform (which is obviously impacted by a number of factors, though public interest in the film factors heavily for sure). We can only speculate when it comes to how particular sets perform, but when I see the very good Eternals sets languish on discount long after their release, and they're tied to a not particularly popular film, there's a fair conclusion to draw there that has nothing to do with personal bias about the movie.
hikouki Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 I wonder where the designer of the Rogue minifig got the idea of that white patch. I googled and googled and all images show either a center patch or a bilateral area - none just on the left. She also does not have any signature pose with the hair only on the right side. Are Marvel Lego minifig designs assigned to actual Marvel fans within the Lego design team, or are they randomly assigned to designers that may not necessarily know anything about the character? If they are licensed characters, shouldn't a Marvel team (Disney) also approve of the final product?
Mandalorianknight Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, hikouki said: I wonder where the designer of the Rogue minifig got the idea of that white patch. I googled and googled and all images show either a center patch or a bilateral area - none just on the left. She also does not have any signature pose with the hair only on the right side. Are Marvel Lego minifig designs assigned to actual Marvel fans within the Lego design team, or are they randomly assigned to designers that may not necessarily know anything about the character? If they are licensed characters, shouldn't a Marvel team (Disney) also approve of the final product? As for the first comment, my guess is that was just where it was easiest to print. I don't think we've seen anything on a piece that curvy with a center patch. As for the second, I believe it can be either, though we know many of the big ones are fans. The graphic designers who make the figs assumably follow a similar pattern, and at the very least have plenty of source material they should be referencing when creating a character, as Disney/Marvel/whatever does exert influence on the final product. All that to say, no one guy dropped the ball on this. It was a group of people from at least 2 companies deciding it was "good enough" Edited November 7, 2023 by Mandalorianknight
squiz18 Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 New Marvels trailer is good. Seems more serious than the others with no mention of the body swapping. There are a few glimpses of the Hoopty too. Looking forward to seeing the film then picking up the hoopty at 50% off. I saw a £90 Avatar set for £44.99 today so its definitely on the cards.
thebricksbear Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 Not sure if all Targets have the same discount but mine had Hoopty for 20% off yesterday. I stacked it with some other discounts and got it to $60. I actually ended up paying about $15 after using target savings, etc... It's actually a really good set. Much bigger than it looks. Verh swooshable and the exterior of the ship looks great and was a blast to build. My only real gripe is the Kamala fig has reg legs and no mask. Cap Marvel appears to have a new face print? I def recommend the set if you can find it $60 or less, that's what I'd probably price it at.
Mandalorianknight Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, squiz18 said: £90 Avatar set for £44.99 today so its definitely on the cards. I'm going to be the grump here and be happy that Avatar sets are selling poorly. Should've given the bigger wave to Indy, Lego. I think it's kind of funny the hoopty's already hitting 20% off. I haven't checked the targets around me yet but lego almost NEVER goes on sale there. I think the only ones I've ever seen on sale at my targets are the Eternals sets and the Queer Eye set. They didn't even discount the Trench Run when it was one of the only sets left on shelves around last christmas. Clearly target isn't anticipating the Hoopty to have a massive spike in purchases after the movie, if they're already putting it on sale. All that to say, between that, the Black Panther 2 sets I see on sale at walmart, and the eternals sets hitting huge discounts at targets and even lego itself, I wonder if lego's going to start cutting down on releases for newer films and focus more on the infinity saga and more general spidey/avengers sets. Marvel movies being blockbusters is no longer a sure thing, and it might make sense for lego to start focusing on evergreen stuff like Spidey and the mainline Avengers. Edited November 7, 2023 by Mandalorianknight
squiz18 Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 52 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: All that to say, between that, the Black Panther 2 sets I see on sale at walmart, and the eternals sets hitting huge discounts at targets and even lego itself, I wonder if lego's going to start cutting down on releases for newer films and focus more on the infinity saga and more general spidey/avengers sets. Marvel movies being blockbusters is no longer a sure thing, and it might make sense for lego to start focusing on evergreen stuff like Spidey and the mainline Avengers. While I hope that's not the conclusion they draw, I think you could be right. I'd prefer it if they made 1 set per film, but included the main characters and villain which were decent representations. And a decent build at a fair price. Is that too much to ask? You'd imagine sales would be better if that was the case and less need to discount stuff.
hikouki Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said: I'm going to be the grump here and be happy that Avatar sets are selling poorly. Should've given the bigger wave to Indy, Lego. I think it's kind of funny the hoopty's already hitting 20% off. I haven't checked the targets around me yet but lego almost NEVER goes on sale there. I think the only ones I've ever seen on sale at my targets are the Eternals sets and the Queer Eye set. They didn't even discount the Trench Run when it was one of the only sets left on shelves around last christmas. Clearly target isn't anticipating the Hoopty to have a massive spike in purchases after the movie, if they're already putting it on sale. All that to say, between that, the Black Panther 2 sets I see on sale at walmart, and the eternals sets hitting huge discounts at targets and even lego itself, I wonder if lego's going to start cutting down on releases for newer films and focus more on the infinity saga and more general spidey/avengers sets. Marvel movies being blockbusters is no longer a sure thing, and it might make sense for lego to start focusing on evergreen stuff like Spidey and the mainline Avengers. 42 minutes ago, squiz18 said: While I hope that's not the conclusion they draw, I think you could be right. I'd prefer it if they made 1 set per film, but included the main characters and villain which were decent representations. And a decent build at a fair price. Is that too much to ask? You'd imagine sales would be better if that was the case and less need to discount stuff. For DC, didn’t they used to make classic sets alongside movie-based ones as well? I never liked the MCU - mainly personality-based action films (they draw attention to the actors instead of the characters). It was bound to lose its luster over time as the movie-goers get tired of the same antics. I have always felt it was somewhat brave of Lego to tie in all sets with a particular movie. You can never predict how it will do in the box office, and what people’s reactions would be in the long term. And those trickle down to the merchandise.
NoOneOfImportance Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said: I'm going to be the grump here and be happy that Avatar sets are selling poorly. Should've given the bigger wave to Indy, Lego. I think it's kind of funny the hoopty's already hitting 20% off. I haven't checked the targets around me yet but lego almost NEVER goes on sale there. I think the only ones I've ever seen on sale at my targets are the Eternals sets and the Queer Eye set. They didn't even discount the Trench Run when it was one of the only sets left on shelves around last christmas. Clearly target isn't anticipating the Hoopty to have a massive spike in purchases after the movie, if they're already putting it on sale. All that to say, between that, the Black Panther 2 sets I see on sale at walmart, and the eternals sets hitting huge discounts at targets and even lego itself, I wonder if lego's going to start cutting down on releases for newer films and focus more on the infinity saga and more general spidey/avengers sets. Marvel movies being blockbusters is no longer a sure thing, and it might make sense for lego to start focusing on evergreen stuff like Spidey and the mainline Avengers. Agreed on the Indy comment (though those just sit at my local Target of late) The thing is, do we know that LEGO Marvel is doing well overall? Movie sets or otherwise? Heck, I expected the Spiderman Final Battle to be out of stock consistently for a little while, but it never seems to sell at my local Target, much less GOTG3 sets (a movie that did well overall and had sets with the full team split up to collect). Even the tie-in sets for movies and shows that are enjoyed from Phase 4-5 just seem to fill shelves. And we don't need to talk about buildable figures. While I would agree that LEGO should shy away from MCU sets as much and focus on comics-based sets again (Please 2099, LEGO), we have to ask if that's even the issue here in the first place, or if it's super-hero sets as a whole...
JeanGreyForever Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 3 hours ago, hikouki said: For DC, didn’t they used to make classic sets alongside movie-based ones as well? I never liked the MCU - mainly personality-based action films (they draw attention to the actors instead of the characters). It was bound to lose its luster over time as the movie-goers get tired of the same antics. I have always felt it was somewhat brave of Lego to tie in all sets with a particular movie. You can never predict how it will do in the box office, and what people’s reactions would be in the long term. And those trickle down to the merchandise. I've never been into the MCU either. Even though I'm only a casual DC fan, I used to prefer the DC sets because even though there were sets based on the movies, you could just as easily find sets based on the comics. The Marvel sets were always based on the MCU with a few rare exceptions and they always seemed very underwhelming and generic next to the DC ones. Based on the declining trend for the MCU, I'm not surprised we're only getting one set per new movie. That's fine with me especially if we can get more comic sets. I'd much rather see an Avengers Mansion set with characters like Wasp, Hawkeye, and Scarlet Witch in their actual classic costumes. It's not just the MCU though that Lego seems to be wary of now. I think of the latest Indiana Jones movie and how Lego didn't even bother to make any sets for it and that was decided long before it flopped.
Mandalorianknight Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, squiz18 said: While I hope that's not the conclusion they draw, I think you could be right. I'd prefer it if they made 1 set per film, but included the main characters and villain which were decent representations. And a decent build at a fair price. Is that too much to ask? You'd imagine sales would be better if that was the case and less need to discount stuff. This would be excellent. For the marvels, they could have done a set with the three marvels, the villain lady, and some terrain or a midi-scale hoopty (which given the shape could have still fit the three) for like $40. Some other examples: GOTG 3: Since it's a team-up film, I think 2-3 sets is fine, but the baby rocket's escape ship set seemed like a bad idea. Here's what I would do: Guardians headquarters ($34.99): Larger headquarters with an armory and exploding wall. Comes with Adam Warlock, Nebula, Star-Lord, and Rocket Raccoon The Bowie ($119.99): A bit larger than the official one with The High Evolutionary, Drax, Groot, Mantis, Cosmo, Kraglin, and Gamora. Quantumania (Though I guess it did only get one set, I think this one would have sold better): Modok attack ($24.99): buildible Modok and time chair with wasp, battle-damaged Ant-Man, and Kang. Wakanda Forever: Keep the throne room set the same, but add Nakia. Change the Sunbird's figs to Shuri (BP suit), M'Baku, Namor, and Ironheart mk2. Okoye would be available in the hulkbuster around that time anyway.
Chris10 Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 Brickclicker has uploaded a video showing the official images of the avengers tower. Looks like Leviathan does come with its own stand which I’m rather pleased about
squiz18 Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 35 minutes ago, Chris10 said: Brickclicker has uploaded a video showing the official images of the avengers tower. Looks like Leviathan does come with its own stand which I’m rather pleased about Yeah thats great. I love Loki's imprint on the floor after Hulks attack. That's a great touch.
psqidexslizer Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 It wouldn’t be a Lego Avengers Tower without a prison that was never in the tower. 🤣
SEmrys Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, psqidexslizer said: It wouldn’t be a Lego Avengers Tower without a prison that was never in the tower. 🤣 Does seem to be focused on iconic Avengers scenes rather than accuracy. But that's okay, it can always be replaced I suppose! Nice to finally have a good shot of the interior. I think as well as removing the prison I may take out the Cap fight bridge so there's more space for the lab.
Agent Kallus Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, psqidexslizer said: It wouldn’t be a Lego Avengers Tower without a prison that was never in the tower. 🤣 Though I wonder if Hulk will actually fit it, seeing as that's that it was designed for.
Caps Beard Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 Pleasantly surprised at the UK price of £430
Agent Kallus Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) New elementary have an article up on the set, UK price £430. I guess the embargo is up. Edit, well they have an Instagram post saying an article is up, I can't see it yet but I'm sure it'll be there soon. Also Ninjago'd on the UK price. Edited November 8, 2023 by Agent Kallus
upliftingbricks Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) They couldn't do Grand Central underneath as they don't have the license plus it would have doubled the price Edited November 8, 2023 by upliftingbricks
psqidexslizer Posted November 8, 2023 Posted November 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, Agent Kallus said: Though I wonder if Hulk will actually fit it, seeing as that's that it was designed for. It was also designed to drop out of the Helicarrier. 😝 22 minutes ago, SEmrys said: Does seem to be focused on iconic Avengers scenes rather than accuracy. But that's okay, it can always be replaced I suppose! Nice to finally have a good shot of the interior. I think as well as removing the prison I may take out the Cap fight bridge so there's more space for the lab. I will say this. At least it’s not just some random made up prison like in the last Avengers Tower. And the one in Avengers Compound.
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