Mandalorianknight Posted April 9, 2023 Posted April 9, 2023 On 4/7/2023 at 7:22 PM, Scarilian said: I mean, it's a welcome disappointment to an extent, at least speaking personally. Managed to spend a lot of time just organising the Lego I have while also saving up for more things down the line. With the franchise basically going down in flames, I can at least have time to save up for legacy sets such as the NWH set as long as the figures deliver. I may go Avengers Tower if it's handled exceptionally well as a centerpiece and display for my MCU figures. This is almost exactly my thoughts. If the franchise is going down, I'll snag the legacy sets I want, but I'm not wanting to buy anything based on most of the newer stuff, which saves me some money. The overall state is a complicated situation for me. I want the buildible figures to do well because I want bionicle to return, but at the same time this is NOT the route the superheroes theme should be taking. The objects aren't my cup of tea, but I view them similarly to the star wars helmets as just "sure, I might not like them, but AFOLS do, and we still get a solid number of normal sets". Though of course, we aren't getting a solid number of normal sets this year compared to previous ones. I think one buildible object and a helmet or two a year are fine, so long as we get a solid number of sets for the infinity saga or "comic-based" sets alongside them.
kevkipo Posted April 9, 2023 Posted April 9, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Goofster said: Hot take, but i didn't like nwh, i don't wanna argue, but to me it just seems cheap, bring back old actors, easy money, the plot is horrendous in that movie, and it wouldn't be good if not for other actors returning, they pretty puch screwed over the spiderman mcu franchise from the start, they chose to focus on stark for 2/3 movie and they didn't know what to do afterwards. ultimately, the original idea for nwh was way better, i wouldve liked if they developped that into a daredevil and spiderman team up where king pin sends his assasins after peter and kraven too, after revealing his identity. 100% agreed, the over focus on the previous Spider-men is a fun novelty to me, nothing more. It pains me a lot to see Spider-verse, a movie series previously untouched by the poison that is nostalgia-baiting, is now referencing those movies too. It seems the only thing people can talk about from the new trailer is the little easter egg nod to the events of NWH. "Is the MCU connected with Spider-verse??" "Is Miles' jumping over to the MCU?", please no... keep the two seperate forever. If they'd ever do a live action Miles, make him stand out from the Spiderverse one. I'd be much more enthousiastic about a Spider-verse set than NWH, but that is just personal preference. I totally get why people are excited about getting a Toby and Andrew figure in this case, same for the villains, if only for it to serve as a 'late to date' set for those movies than an actual NWH set. Edited April 9, 2023 by kevkipo
Goofster Posted April 9, 2023 Posted April 9, 2023 5 hours ago, kevkipo said: Miles is already in the MCU, we saw prowler talk with tom holland saying hes got a nephew, that being miles, i wanna see peter become a teacher and have miles as a student, not some dumb college thing, it doesn't add up.
Legocentrico Posted April 9, 2023 Posted April 9, 2023 It seems to me that we're all pretty much in agreement that replacing classic playsets with buildable items is pejorative. I wonder what market studies lego did to make this decision.. kids don't want minifigures anymore? They think adults don't want minifigures? Or is the minifigure becoming a luxury?
Goofster Posted April 9, 2023 Posted April 9, 2023 30 minutes ago, Legocentrico said: I think with helmets and such, theyLre trying to target fans outside of the lego community, to them, its a cool neat display place they can put in their house.
kevkipo Posted April 9, 2023 Posted April 9, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Goofster said: Miles is already in the MCU, we saw prowler talk with tom holland saying hes got a nephew, that being miles, i wanna see peter become a teacher and have miles as a student, not some dumb college thing, it doesn't add up. I don't consider that proper confirmation before actually seeing the character. The MCU is great at safeguarding options and names, they'll have to put their money where their mouth is. I'm not against seeing Miles in MCU form, I love the character. I just very much dislike treating the MCU as some holy grail while so far Spider-Verse has showcased how great superhero movies are when animated. Edited April 9, 2023 by kevkipo
Mandalorianknight Posted April 9, 2023 Posted April 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Legocentrico said: It seems to me that we're all pretty much in agreement that replacing classic playsets with buildable items is pejorative. I wonder what market studies lego did to make this decision.. kids don't want minifigures anymore? They think adults don't want minifigures? Or is the minifigure becoming a luxury? As @Goofster says, they're targeting non-AFOL adults. People who wouldn't otherwise buy lego. It's expanding their market. I think it was a good move to get adults in general into lego, but I think they've gotten too far with all the buildable objects, and my guess is they'll correct course soon.
LegendaryArticuno Posted April 9, 2023 Posted April 9, 2023 Kind of sad, I'm way more excited for the Ashoka sets than any upcoming Marvel set... and I don't even collect Lego Starwars anymore.
BTappel Posted April 9, 2023 Posted April 9, 2023 This may have already been mentioned here, but I can’t find it so just in case it hasn’t been - whether we get x men sets or not will depend on if Disney brings the characters back and makes them popular again. This was per one of their designers. Disney+ is bringing back the old animated cartoon this fall with at least 2 new seasons. That could help a lot towards x men sets in the future!
thebricksbear Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 9 hours ago, Legocentrico said: It seems to me that we're all pretty much in agreement that replacing classic playsets with buildable items is pejorative. I wonder what market studies lego did to make this decision.. kids don't want minifigures anymore? They think adults don't want minifigures? Or is the minifigure becoming a luxury? This is actually probably the reason. We know via bricklink, Lego is involved in the secondary market, and there IS genuine benefit to TLG to have figs reach high prices (Zeb, Amidala, Iron Patriot, Drax). That could be what we're seeing here- Lego being cautious about printing characters that lessen the value. Obviously this cant be the *only* reason for skipping properties, however.
Mandalorianknight Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, bricksandabear said: This is actually probably the reason. We know via bricklink, Lego is involved in the secondary market, and there IS genuine benefit to TLG to have figs reach high prices (Zeb, Amidala, Iron Patriot, Drax). That could be what we're seeing here- Lego being cautious about printing characters that lessen the value. Obviously this cant be the *only* reason for skipping properties, however. The profit lego makes from that is statistically insignificant, especially when compared to the more direct profit they make from people buying a new set that contains a desirable figure. I honestly think if they are taking it into account, it's the other way, where they want to figure out how to shove high-value figs into sets. (Rex in the venator as a prime example, though I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in something cheaper in 2024) Edited April 10, 2023 by Mandalorianknight
thebricksbear Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: The profit lego makes from that is statistically insignificant, especially when compared to the more direct profit they make from people buying a new set that contains a desirable figure. I honestly think if they are taking it into account, it's the other way, where they want to figure out how to shove high-value figs into sets. (Rex in the venator as a prime example, though I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in something cheaper in 2024) Yes- looks like I left out that this is exactly what I meant. Lego doesnt want to make extremely desirable figures available to casual consumers. So for an Antman movie, there's little reason to put extremely sought after characters in a $30 set.
Mandalorianknight Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, bricksandabear said: Yes- looks like I left out that this is exactly what I meant. Lego doesnt want to make extremely desirable figures available to casual consumers. So for an Antman movie, there's little reason to put extremely sought after characters in a $30 set. No wait, that's not what I meant either! I think lego definately would put a sought-after figure in a cheaper set (Off the top of my head, TCW S7 ahsoka is a great example, as is spidey's Ditko suit, Wolverine, and other ones I don't have the energy to go back and check through every theme based on an IP). Now when possible, they like to put them in a more expensive set first, then a cheaper one later (This was like a defined pattern with the "cool new troopers" in star wars, they did it for the Death Troopers, Praetorian Guards, Dark Troopers, etc), but it's more profitable to them to have a desirable figure in a set, cheap or expensive, to drive sales than it is for them to not produce the fig and make 3% of the money the fig goes for on bricklink. I mean, if you go off all P2 Rex, one of the most inflated and sought-after figs like this, lego made about $1,600 off him via their part of bricklink sales in the past 6 months. (And that's revenue, not profit) Now, that's a lot to you or me, but to lego, that's nothing. They could make Rex a $4 polybag you see in the aisle at the supermarket and they'd crush that in a day. Edited April 10, 2023 by Mandalorianknight
doclord Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 16 minutes ago, bricksandabear said: Yes- looks like I left out that this is exactly what I meant. Lego doesnt want to make extremely desirable figures available to casual consumers. So for an Antman movie, there's little reason to put extremely sought after characters in a $30 set. Yeah except now we know Kang the Conqueror is $5. I think there's a decent chance LEGO may not think Ant-Man or Wasp are highly desired.
Classic_Spaceman Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, bricksandabear said: This is actually probably the reason. We know via bricklink, Lego is involved in the secondary market, and there IS genuine benefit to TLG to have figs reach high prices (Zeb, Amidala, Iron Patriot, Drax). That could be what we're seeing here- Lego being cautious about printing characters that lessen the value. Obviously this cant be the *only* reason for skipping properties, however. This does not match what we are seeing with Star Wars Minifigs, though (see the upcoming $27 Swamp Speeder with three 332nd Clones, for instance); @Mandalorianknight is right about how Minifig distribution usually works.
Legocentrico Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, bricksandabear said: With star wars having been reproducing the same minifigures for 20 years and the theme is always in the top 5, I don't think lego is worried about BL sales. Also SW is getting sets with minifigures, like all other themes. They have very nice minifigures and new molds. For Marvel it's different: Hulkbuster had awful minifigures, Quinjet a nice but incomplete selection, Guardians has 3 sets with basically 2 minifigures. Antman zero. The summer wave features 2 playsets, one for $15 and one highly anticipated but still incomplete.. And it's the second year in a row with this issue It seems that sales and marketing studies are saying that Marvel fans want buildable things instead of playsets, and that fans don't give a damn about minifigures. and in fact I wonder what studies they are doing… and we haven't seen a new mold yet. there are themes with only one set that contain more than one… Edited April 10, 2023 by Legocentrico
BrickBob Studpants Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, bricksandabear said: This is actually probably the reason. We know via bricklink, Lego is involved in the secondary market, and there IS genuine benefit to TLG to have figs reach high prices (Zeb, Amidala, Iron Patriot, Drax). Um, how exactly? I don’t know the inner workings of Bricklink, but the cut of any transaction they get can’t be THAT high. As @Mandalorianknight points out, no matter how high it is, a cheap set with the same minifig (or a new version of it) would bring in A LOT more money. Also, these overpriced minifigs change owners pretty rarely I assume. TLG certainly make more money on BL with “normal” everyday transactions. The only people with high interest in rare minifigs staying rare are BL sellers and some scalpers Edited April 10, 2023 by BrickBob Studpants
Childish Goblino Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 9 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: spidey's Ditko suit Lego made a Ditko suit spider-man? What set was it in I can't seem to find it
Felkin Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Childish Goblino said: Lego made a Ditko suit spider-man? What set was it in I can't seem to find it The black and red "Dikto" suit was in a 4+ set 76184 with Mysterio and Fury, and polybag 30443 with the drones from the Tower Bridge battle. It's not been in a "regular" Marvel set, which is maybe why you missed it. Now if only they'd make a polybag or something with the suit from the end of No Way Home!
thebricksbear Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 5 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Um, how exactly? I don’t know the inner workings of Bricklink, but the cut of any transaction they get can’t be THAT high. As @Mandalorianknight points out, no matter how high it is, a cheap set with the same minifig (or a new version of it) would bring in A LOT more money. Also, these overpriced minifigs change owners pretty rarely I assume. TLG certainly make more money on BL with “normal” everyday transactions. The only people with high interest in rare minifigs staying rare are BL sellers and some scalpers Yea, BL's take is miniscule, and might be nothing at all. My point wasn't that they make money off of those transactions, its that those figs being in high demand are good for the sales for sets with new versions. Somebody mentioned Rex- I'd bet half of the sales of that massive walker thing are just due to his inclusion (I don't know SW well, don't crucify me). The rest of the figs are throwaway. Same thing with the blue cowboy guy from Clone Wars and Mandalorian that has a big set in retail right now. Maybe Lego drops these into smaller sets in the future because IIRC in the last year or two they've gotten some criticism for doing this, but from a business perspective, having 'rare' minifigs is good for driving more profitable sets
untitled Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 Hey! What do you think about set 76266 (794 pieces; $99.99), the name of which has not yet been revealed? What do you think it could be? As I understand, it's related to Marvel.
Legocentrico Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 11 minuti fa, senza titolo ha detto: Ehi! Cosa ne pensi del set 76266 (794 pezzi; 99,99 dollari), il cui nome non è ancora stato rivelato? Cosa pensi che potrebbe essere? Da quanto ho capito, è legato alla Marvel. My hope is a leviathan with updated mark 6, hulk and hawkeye. To complete the quinjet and upgrade all 2012 minifigures. What I expect instead is a buildable megablocks with no minifigures :-D
untitled Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 Hmm, I guess 76263 (4+) could be the second NWH set? I think someone mentioned two NWH sets for this year, but so far we've only heard about one?
Legocentrico Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 3 minuti fa, senza titolo ha detto: Hmm, immagino che 76263 (4+) potrebbe essere il secondo set NWH? Penso che qualcuno abbia menzionato due set NWH per quest'anno, ma finora ne abbiamo sentito parlare solo? Promobricks anticipated a set and MAYBE two, but it was just a guess, and we never knew what gave them this doubt. So don't take it for a real thing
untitled Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Legocentrico said: Promobricks anticipated a set and MAYBE two, but it was just a guess, and we never knew what gave them this doubt. So don't take it for a real thing Yeah, ofc. I just couldn't remember where I heard that. But I still think it's quite possible.
Recommended Posts