Nylock Posted January 11, 2023 Posted January 11, 2023 My biggest concern right now is that they won’t give the flash minifig a new cowl / helmet piece for the set. Neither of the existing cowls would work, but that’s exactly what we said when they were making The Batman sets, and look what happened 😔. Excited for the 89 Batmobile and Keaton fig though. And overall excited for the movie, despite Ezra Miller.
PGBQW Posted January 12, 2023 Posted January 12, 2023 I just saw the new Michael Keaton suit and I think the usual cowl with long ears would fit him well enough, so no way Lego makes a new mould for it. Not that I dislike it, this time I actually think it would work rather well.
Kaijumeister Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) On 1/11/2023 at 6:13 PM, Nylock said: My biggest concern right now is that they won’t give the flash minifig a new cowl / helmet piece for the set. Neither of the existing cowls would work, but that’s exactly what we said when they were making The Batman sets, and look what happened 😔. Given that The Batman tie-in sets were the only major Lego DC product last year, the lack of a specialised cowl piece and perhaps even an armour piece really feels like a travesty. The sets themselves were well designed for the most part, it’s just a shame that the Batman minifigure seemed so utterly half baked, especially when even Michael Keaton’s version got a new mould in the D2Cs. I hope Lego rectifies this whenever the sequel releases. Edited January 13, 2023 by Kaijumeister
Legoman123 Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 Is there a particular reason Lego are not doing more with DC?
Mandalorianknight Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Kaijumeister said: Given that The Batman tie-in sets were the only major Lego DC product last year, the lack of a specialised cowl piece and perhaps even an armour piece really feels like a travesty. The sets themselves were well designed for the most part, it’s just a shame that the Batman minifigure seemed so utterly half baked, especially when even Michael Keaton’s version got a new mould in the D2Cs. I hope Lego rectifies this whenever the sequel releases. Cowl? Definately, and I totally agree it should be rectified in the sequel sets. Armor.... I dunno. I feel like it would make him look really bulky, and this batman feels like the lightest and leanest we've had in live-action. Totally off topic, but I wonder what the title of the second film will be. I can't see it being "the batman 2", but I also can't really think of a subtitle that wouldn't sound cheesy ("The Batman: waters of gotham" or something) considering how grounded and dark the films are. My current guess is it'll be "The Batman: Chapter 2", but I was way off the money with my guess of "Indiana Jones and the Race Against Time" for indy 5, so we'll see. 3 hours ago, Legoman123 said: Is there a particular reason Lego are not doing more with DC? The movies have been the big moneymaker for marvel, and DC's film universe is a mess.
RedHoodPug Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Legoman123 said: Is there a particular reason Lego are not doing more with DC? Because humans have been conditioned to believe that the best form of media is the cinema, and that regardless of how good other forms of media are or how well they sell, they are not worth paying attention to. When in reality there may not be a best form of media, my personal opinion would say books, but not many toys get made off the back of book sales alone. There has been a slight shift in the inclusion of the odd TV show and video game, but cinema is king. On the flip side of it, if the MCU was dross and hadn’t taken off, the Marvel sets would still be comic inspired and DC would still be on shelves.
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, RedHoodPug said: On the flip side of it, if the MCU was dross and hadn’t taken off, the Marvel sets would still be comic inspired and DC would still be on shelves. If the MCU wasn‘t a thing, we wouldn‘t have Marvel sets in the first place Comics are a dying medium, as the declining sales figures show. Without movies and shows, both Marvel and DC would be toast
Legoman123 Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 Just now, Atrius Kain said: From what I read, the Gunn Superman film will release in 2025 and The Batman 2 in 2025. No idea what sets could we even get in 2024 for DC at this point. Of course, if somehow Pattinson Batman appears in HBOMax The Penguin and Lego does a set, maybe. Also, if Lego does Batman comic inspired sets I think it's time to try new designs and stop reusing the old ones, including Joker. There's a rumour going around about Black Mask and I think Ventriloquist appearing in the HBO Max series.
Kaijumeister Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Cowl? Definately, and I totally agree it should be rectified in the sequel sets. Armor.... I dunno. I feel like it would make him look really bulky, and this batman feels like the lightest and leanest we've had in live-action. Totally off topic, but I wonder what the title of the second film will be. I can't see it being "the batman 2", but I also can't really think of a subtitle that wouldn't sound cheesy ("The Batman: waters of gotham" or something) considering how grounded and dark the films are. My current guess is it'll be "The Batman: Chapter 2", but I was way off the money with my guess of "Indiana Jones and the Race Against Time" for indy 5, so we'll see. That’s a good point! I just think the cowl would look too top-heavy without the neck brace part to complement it, but I agree that outside of that printing is more than enough to complete the figure’s design. I remember modding my Lego Pattinson with a shorter cowl / Wyldstyle hood / Black Widow arms etc. but still felt thoroughly unsatisfied with it. Outside of maybe a few modifications, I hope the sequel film maintains the same armour design overall - its one of my favourites in live action. And yeah, either that or ‘The Batman: Part 2’ would be my guess, keeping it minimal and subtle. Or you can just play length gymnastics with the title like the recent Planet of the Apes films! @Legoman123 I think as always, the bottom line is that TLG exists to make money, and so they’ll follow where the money is. DC indubitably outclasses Marvel in TV / animation, but to Lego I suppose they’re not confident that’ll translate well to sets that sell. It is a shame because DC sets not based on films were still absolutely fantastic - I’ll always remember 2015 in particular as a standout year for this theme. The future of Lego Superheroes should be quite interesting once Gunn and Safran’s film slate enters the fray. At the least, this theme won’t be neglected the way it has been as of late. Edited January 13, 2023 by Kaijumeister
RedHoodPug Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 10 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: If the MCU wasn‘t a thing, we wouldn‘t have Marvel sets in the first place Comics are a dying medium, as the declining sales figures show. Without movies and shows, both Marvel and DC would be toast Missing my point entirely, but never mind. And wrong. The market growth for the comic book industry has a 2022-2029 projection of USD 15.35 billion to USD 21.37 billion. Incidentally half of the System sets to come out in the inaugural release were comic based and more interesting than the Avengers based others.
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 26 minutes ago, RedHoodPug said: Missing my point entirely, but never mind. And wrong. The market growth for the comic book industry has a 2022-2029 projection of USD 15.35 billion to USD 21.37 billion. What was your point then? You said that there would be mostly comic-inspired sets now had the MCU not taken off. Not sure what I missed there Yeah, the comic book industry as a whole, not necessarily Marvel or DC. Manga are outselling them left and right
steveholt Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 I both believe the general audience is smart enough to comprehend 2 Batmen at the same time, but also dumb enough to not understand it.
Mandalorianknight Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 18 hours ago, RedHoodPug said: Because humans have been conditioned to believe that the best form of media is the cinema, and that regardless of how good other forms of media are or how well they sell, they are not worth paying attention to. When in reality there may not be a best form of media, my personal opinion would say books, but not many toys get made off the back of book sales alone. There has been a slight shift in the inclusion of the odd TV show and video game, but cinema is king. On the flip side of it, if the MCU was dross and hadn’t taken off, the Marvel sets would still be comic inspired and DC would still be on shelves. No offense, but this comes off as kinda pretentious and also has a pretty big hole in it: books are a lot harder to make merchandise off of than movies, since they usually lack a visual component. A fair bit harder to make merch off a only a written description of something, and it'll clash with what people saw in their heads while reading.
TheBatstan Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Atrius Kain said: The problem is that both Batmen will be young. During the Hamada regime there were going to be multiple Batmen with Pattinson as young one and Keaton as old one but it would be a difference. Here both are supposed to be young. There are other ways to differentiate the two besides their age. Pattinson's Batman/BatVerse Batman can stick with the gritty realism theme and darker tone while wearing the black and grey armor, while the DCU Batman can wear the blue and grey (maybe even as a cloth suit considering Gunn ripped Peacemaker's costume straight from the comics instead of making it armor) and deal with more fantastical concepts since he'll be in a world with the Justice League and metahumans. Edited January 14, 2023 by TheBatstan
RedHoodPug Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 13 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: What was your point then? You said that there would be mostly comic-inspired sets now had the MCU not taken off. Not sure what I missed there Yeah, the comic book industry as a whole, not necessarily Marvel or DC. Manga are outselling them left and right My point was there in my original comment, that we are conditioned to believe that films are the best form of media. You’re the one who said comics were dying. 6 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: No offense, but this comes off as kinda pretentious and also has a pretty big hole in it: books are a lot harder to make merchandise off of than movies, since they usually lack a visual component. A fair bit harder to make merch off a only a written description of something, and it'll clash with what people saw in their heads while reading. Is it not true? Is there not more money in moving visual media? It’s not a hole, and a lot of early comics started life as storyboards. How do we know that for example Harry Potter has a lightning scar, glasses and messy hair? Or that Hobbits are shorter than dwarfs? Movies and television shows are the most effective ways of sharing stories, and to support that a vast industry has been built. To maintain that industry money needs to be made. To make money something needs to be sold. For something to be sold someone else needs to be convinced that they are buying the best product. Enough time passes and before long the world has been convinced that this product is better than all others. Pretentious? No. Cynical? Yes. I like films, but they aren’t always the best versions of stories. My two favourite book series are the Strike novels, which have been translated onto the screen but at the cost of abridged plots, and the Discworld, which has had a few attempts to bring it to life but none successfully, barring audiobooks. I would dearly love the Ankh- Morpork City Watch made in Lego, but at the moment it’s a case of moccing it and no minifigure exists that suits them all. In the meantime I collect DC Lego, which has suffered from a dismally handled film franchise, and that dictates all. And we come full circle.
PGBQW Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/13/2023 at 8:01 AM, RedHoodPug said: Because humans have been conditioned to believe that the best form of media is the cinema When are we getting Tarkovsky's Stalker Lego sets? 40 minutes ago, RedHoodPug said: Is it not true? Is there not more money in moving visual media? It’s not a hole, and a lot of early comics started life as storyboards. How do we know that for example Harry Potter has a lightning scar, glasses and messy hair? Or that Hobbits are shorter than dwarfs? Movies and television shows are the most effective ways of sharing stories, and to support that a vast industry has been built. To maintain that industry money needs to be made. To make money something needs to be sold. For something to be sold someone else needs to be convinced that they are buying the best product. Enough time passes and before long the world has been convinced that this product is better than all others. Idk why you're getting so angry over this, they just said that movies are easier to make merchandising for than books. Like are you genuinely telling me that you dont believe that's true? Sure we get descriptions of the characters and locations and whatnot, but every reader will interpret it differently.
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, RedHoodPug said: My point was there in my original comment, that we are conditioned to believe that films are the best form of media. Or maybe, just MAYBE, people have legit reasons to think cinema is superior to other forms of media other than “conditioning”, which honestly sounds pretty condescending Music, atmosphere, performances, editing, visual effects, sound design, costumes, props, immersion. Other mediums have some of these, but cinema is the only one to combine them all
RedHoodPug Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, PGBQW said: When are we getting Tarkovsky's Stalker Lego sets? Idk why you're getting so angry over this, they just said that movies are easier to make merchandising for than books. Like are you genuinely telling me that you dont believe that's true? Sure we get descriptions of the characters and locations and whatnot, but every reader will interpret it differently. I'm not angry, but thank you for telling me how I feel. I have at no point made any indication that I believe that it's not easier to make merchandise for films rather than books. Are you genuinely telling me that you think that that has been the crux of my point? Is it a bad thing if every reader interprets a character description differently? What's the worst that could happen? People might discuss it? 47 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Or maybe, just MAYBE, people have legit reasons to think cinema is superior to other forms of media other than “conditioning”, which honestly sounds pretty condescending Music, atmosphere, performances, editing, visual effects, sound design, costumes, props, immersion. Other mediums have some of these, but cinema is the only one to combine them all Did I say that anyone was wrong to think that way, or stupid, or bad? No. Everyone is entitled to believe, think or feel what form of media they consider the best, and no one is wrong about their choice. As far as condescending goes, you're the one suggesting that people need all of the above elements combined to enjoy a particular experience, and putting the word conditioning in speech marks like you're above it. I have to say it strikes me as a little bizarre that people are arguing against promoting the use of imagination in a forum centred around Lego.
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 31 minutes ago, RedHoodPug said: As far as condescending goes, you're the one suggesting that people need all of the above elements combined to enjoy a particular experience […] I only said that a lot of people enjoy cinema the most out of all mediums because it combines all of those elements, not that any of those are required for enjoyment
RedHoodPug Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said: I only said that a lot of people enjoy cinema the most out of all mediums because it combines all of those elements, not that any of those are required for enjoyment If you removed editing from that list you essentially have theatre. Is it really just that one element that elevates cinema above it? Is editing a play all it would take to see a stage based Lego set?
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, RedHoodPug said: If you removed editing from that list you essentially have theatre. Is it really just that one element that elevates cinema above it? Is editing a play all it would take to see a stage based Lego set? Nah. While visual effects, music, and immersion can be applied to the stage as well, they are clearly not on the same level as on the big screen. Also, the whole is often more than the sum of its parts We’re drifting more and more into off-topic territory Save us, DC set list!! …oh, right. Edited January 14, 2023 by BrickBob Studpants
RedHoodPug Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 47 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Nah. While visual effects, music, and immersion can be applied to the stage as well, they are clearly not on the same level as on the big screen. Also, the whole is often more than the sum of its parts We’re drifting more and more into off-topic territory Save us, DC set list!! …oh, right. Yep, the actual theme ain't going to save you anytime soon! Now you're trapped mwahaha! See how you're mocked by the ghosts of Saturn Girl, Samurai and Gleek. But who's to say they're not on the same level? It's all subjective.
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, RedHoodPug said: But who's to say they're not on the same level? It's all subjective. Immersion sure, the other two are a bit of a stretch Takes a lot more suspension of disbelief 2 hours ago, RedHoodPug said: See how you're mocked by the ghosts of Saturn Girl, Samurai and Gleek. Oh no, I‘m getting Scrooge‘d!!
RedHoodPug Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 2 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Immersion sure, the other two are a bit of a stretch Takes a lot more suspension of disbelief Oh no, I‘m getting Scrooge‘d!! Sorry that was me, I meant cinema and theatre. Doesn't make it any less of a medium though. Mate, we all got Scrooge'd.
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 14, 2023 Posted January 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, Atrius Kain said: So, how many sets do we have from last year list that got delayed and might be DC? 2 or 3? 2 One is a Flash set, the other still unknown. Has to be a DC set too, wouldn‘t make a lick of sense otherwise
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