[MOC] Ferrari LaFerrari 1:8

[Bulleck]

Thanks a lot for your effort and your fast answer! It is very much appreciated. 

[msiminski]

I've developed a very robust fix to the little bodywork segment at the rear-bottom, and also a rear window. Just ordering the parts now. Hoping to publish both on rebrickable.

[mooneyes]

Wow, that is a master piece! Well done!

[SarahMia]

This post is regarding the CADA version and the fixes PDF (v2.2), according to the rules I found this post should be legal, if not let me know and i will remove it.

TLDR: fixes pdf (v2.2) no longer seems needed at all, CADA has everything fixed, see below for all changes I found from the fixes pdf and some interesting bits.

 

Al right I bought this set from CADA last week and it arrived this monday. I had before hand already prepared myself to use the fixes pdf and buy some lego parts to fix some parts. Just to be on the safe side before i order a bunch of parts for another project of mine I decided to crosscheck and see if what is changed in the actual physical cada instructions of this set. Long story short everything seems fixed from that document, from what I can tell changes have been made on other places as well but can't pinpoint to those now as I do not know what the original instructions made by Thijs used to be.

There is 1 part which I am not sure how it as they completely redesigned the connectors to the wing being much more simple now. So till I have build it I can only assume as it is fixed. Everything else yeah is def fixed.

The fixes pdf I used: https://www.bricksafe.com/files/T_Antonie/cada-c61505-laferrari-fixesimprovements/Fixes C61505 V2.2.pdf

So now what is different from the physical instructions:

Step B4: Fixed as in the pdf

Step B114: Fixed as in the pdf

Step C25: Fixed as in the pdf

Step C29+C30: Fixed by using the T 3x4 connectors split in 2. So Step C29 now asks for 4 of those to make 2 of the ones mentioned in the pdf. C30 fixed as in the pdf

Step D140+D195+D203: Now here things get interesting. Since the pdf references lego parts in D140 which cada can't use they stuck to the same panels. So D140 is the same as before by using cada panels as expected. However changes were made to Steps D195 and D203. D195 is now step D190 with a much simplyfied design for the connecting part. Which is now only 2 steps (D188 and D189). A picture would prolly say more but to somewhat say how, they kept the connectinig bottom part and then only use 1 connection to go up to connect to the wing with no side connections. So much more simpler than what Thijs had designed and the original CADA redesign. If wanted I could add a picture later of this redesign. Similarwise, step D203 is now D193 with having the connecting parts made in step D191 and D192.

Step D245+D294: I have to be honest, this one had me kinda laughing, does Lego have a copyright on single round open studs or something? The pdf suggests to use a open round stud to secure the tail(?) lights, instead CADA decided to use a 1x2 rounded open studded plate (see lego part # 35480 - https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=35480#T=C&C=11 ) yeah I did not saw that one coming, but hey fixed is fixed.

Step F37~F46 (and indirectly while not stated in the pdf, also the steps on the other side): Oki this one is very simple fixed. Step F37 has now some parts moved over to Step F38 while it added 2 extra parts to add an extra connection to secure the wheelarch panel. Step F45 even hightlights this connection to secure the wheelarch. Same for the other side on steps F151+F152 and F160.

 

So yeah, all seems fine and fixed now. I am really looking forward to building this now. Doesn't look like I need to get any spare parts Thank you T Lego for designing this!

(PS; If there was a newer pdf from v2.2 let me know as i could not find any other one)

Edited September 18, 2024 by SarahMia

[msiminski]

Yes, I used that fix sheet too. But there are still numerous issues, as discussed in this thread.

I also developed a fix for the paddle shifters detaching from the linear actuator, but it's not 100% effective.

[SarahMia]

On 9/19/2024 at 5:16 AM, msiminski said:

Yes, I used that fix sheet too. But there are still numerous issues, as discussed in this thread.

I also developed a fix for the paddle shifters detaching from the linear actuator, but it's not 100% effective.

I will have to check those issues after I build it I guess. But since i have 3 other sets to build before that it may take a while. Like I said steps have changed in the physical instructions. I can't even find the instructions I have online, only an outdated version and on EE site I couldn't find the instructions at all. D195 is now D190 so that is enough for me to see that more things changed. Makes me wonder what was exactly changed though. And till I build it I rather not spoil myself and go over every page side by side to spot the differences CADA made. It could be related to the earlier mentioned issues. But I am happy that CADA changed the set instructions to fix the issues from the fixes pdf at the very least.

[kollmyerryker]

On 12/14/2023 at 6:28 AM, Sokolov Edward said:

Sent links in a private message. This add-on can also help for proper assembly

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ciz1R7clO09X-gIp8QnhiiGc6ejqP3CA/view

The instructions repacked into 2 volumes can also be found here https://bricknbricks.com/en/cada-c61505-viva-hypercar/

 

can u PM me too

[msiminski]

On 8/8/2024 at 10:10 AM, msiminski said:

I've developed a very robust fix to the little bodywork segment at the rear-bottom, and also a rear window. Just ordering the parts now. Hoping to publish both on rebrickable.

I tried to publish instructions for this pair of mods on Rebrickable, however they refuse to publish anything related to non-Lego brands.

This could constitute anticompetitive behaviour by Rebrickable?

[icm]

I'd say it's more like the effort to maintain a parts catalog for every other company would be overwhelming, because you'd need a parts catalog for every company in order to support parts lists for mocs and mods that use non Lego parts.

[msiminski]

14 minutes ago, icm said:

I'd say it's more like the effort to maintain a parts catalog for every other company would be overwhelming, because you'd need a parts catalog for every company in order to support parts lists for mocs and mods that use non Lego parts.

No, it's more than that. They have an entire page listing all the keywords and content that they "ban" from their website.

[icm]

So they ban it because it would be too much effort to do a good job maintaining it.

[msiminski]

9 minutes ago, icm said:

So they ban it because it would be too much effort to do a good job maintaining it.

The fact that they explicitly list and "ban" any and all competitors of The Lego Group suggests anticompetitive behaviour. But I'm not a lawyer.

[astyanax]

5 hours ago, msiminski said:

I tried to publish instructions for this pair of mods on Rebrickable, however they refuse to publish anything related to non-Lego brands.

It's not a total ban. For example, I have 2 models on Rebrickable (Ferrari 488 Pista and Lamborghini Vision GT) that are modifications of sets from Chinese brick manufacturers. But my models are published in full, and indeed they're fully buildable with Lego bricks. Perhaps where yours runs foul is it's a partial modification with dependence on non-Lego bricks or instructions? 

[mla2]

2 hours ago, astyanax said:

It's not a total ban. For example, I have 2 models on Rebrickable (Ferrari 488 Pista and Lamborghini Vision GT) that are modifications of sets from Chinese brick manufacturers. But my models are published in full, and indeed they're fully buildable with Lego bricks. Perhaps where yours runs foul is it's a partial modification with dependence on non-Lego bricks or instructions? 

Try updating the description of your Pista MOC using the Admin tab. You will see it will be refused because of mentioning CADA.

[msiminski]

2 hours ago, astyanax said:

It's not a total ban. For example, I have 2 models on Rebrickable (Ferrari 488 Pista and Lamborghini Vision GT) that are modifications of sets from Chinese brick manufacturers. But my models are published in full, and indeed they're fully buildable with Lego bricks. Perhaps where yours runs foul is it's a partial modification with dependence on non-Lego bricks or instructions? 

It's only two small mods bundled into the one set of instructions. But it is a mod of a product that the site has decided not to allow. I'm not going to reverse-engineer the whole set, as that would be improper. I'll find somewhere else to upload it for anyone that's interested.

[astyanax]

13 minutes ago, msiminski said:

I'm not going to reverse-engineer the whole set, as that would be improper.

That's basically what I did in both cases.  But I made a lot of modifications on the way, made sure they're fully buildable with Lego bricks, and offered them for free. 

26 minutes ago, mla2 said:

Try updating the description of your Pista MOC using the Admin tab. You will see it will be refused because of mentioning CADA.

Thanks for the tip, I'll refrain from that then haha! 

[Sokolov Edward]

If the community around Lego Technics was more massive and democratic, there would already be an analogue of the Rebrikable website without the "only Lego" restrictions - all existing parts and publication of any models would be available. And in the current reality, Chinese Lego competes in price (with acceptable quality) not only with Lego, but also with MOC - for 10-15 euros you can get a beautiful box with 1000-1500 parts and printed instructions, and not just a poorly made PDF file.

[msiminski]

On 10/25/2024 at 11:50 AM, msiminski said:

I tried to publish instructions for this pair of mods on Rebrickable, however they refuse to publish anything related to non-Lego brands.

This could constitute anticompetitive behaviour by Rebrickable?

Hey,

I've simply uploaded the instructions, studio file, photos and stuff for the mods to a file hosting site that doesn't discriminate between Lego/CaDa . Available here.

So this is a rear window for the car, and a rear-bottom bodywork piece strong enough to pick the rear of the car up. The required parts can all be purchased from GoBricks.

Cheers!

[Tup4n]

@T Lego sorry to bother you, dude, but I have some plans to motorise this set with the brushless RC set up and to achieve some decent speed. In this regard, before I buy the set from the Cada, I have some technical questions. 
1) do you know exact weight of the car? I saw you wrote it is around 3 kg. The car has 1000+ more parts than a Lego Daytona and Sian. So, can you confirm that it has the weight similar to these cars, or it is heavier?

2) can I use the rims from the Bugatti/Sian, or they will not work? I saw, that in your early prototypes you used rims from the Sian to build the chassis.

thanks in advance!  
 

Edited November 8, 2024 by Tup4n

[Aurorasaurus]

5 hours ago, Tup4n said:

can I use the rims from the Bugatti/Sian, or the will not work?

They will fall off, or the wheel hubs might melt. Unless you're keeping the speeds low. Check out the Buwizz modified supercars, they had to use 3d printed wheels attaching to turntables to keep the wheels on for the daytona mod.

[Tup4n]

10 hours ago, Aurorasaurus said:

They will fall off, or the wheel hubs might melt. Unless you're keeping the speeds low. Check out the Buwizz modified supercars, they had to use 3d printed wheels attaching to turntables to keep the wheels on for the daytona mod.

They will not fall of, because I am using custom 3D printed wheel hubs with bolts. I have already motorised McLaren 42172 and Cada AMG ONE and reached 40 km/h. Faster, then the BuWizz 

[Sokolov Edward]

15 hours ago, Tup4n said:

1) do you know exact weight of the car? I saw you wrote it is around 3 kg. The car has 1000+ more parts than a Lego Daytona and Sian. So, can you confirm that it has the weight similar to these cars, or it is heavier?

The CADA version has too many small "bricks", so the weight will not be 1 kg more, but maximum 0.5 or less. Another problem with these "bricks" is that they will fall off even while you are working with the model on the table. IMHO, a large Lego Technic model for high-speed motors should be developed specifically for these purposes, ensuring increased structural strength and certainly without "bricks". Otherwise, it reminds me of funny tests on the topic - which Lego Technic supercar will fall apart faster if you put a 5 kW motor in it.

[msiminski]

15 minutes ago, Tup4n said:

They will not fall of, because I am using custom 3D printed wheel hubs with bolts. I have already motorised McLaren 42172 and Cada AMG ONE and reached 40 km/h. Faster, then the BuWizz 

While that sounds very impressive, the Viva Hypercar/LaFerrari has lots of fragile bodywork on it and wouldn't make a good candidate for that kind of speed, unless you never crash into anything.

[Tup4n]

2 hours ago, Sokolov Edward said:

The CADA version has too many small "bricks", so the weight will not be 1 kg more, but maximum 0.5 or less. Another problem with these "bricks" is that they will fall off even while you are working with the model on the table. IMHO, a large Lego Technic model for high-speed motors should be developed specifically for these purposes, ensuring increased structural strength and certainly without "bricks". Otherwise, it reminds me of funny tests on the topic - which Lego Technic supercar will fall apart faster if you put a 5 kW motor in it.

I agree with your points. However, as far as I concerned, 42172 was not originally designed for high speed also)) However it turns to be very robust and managed to deal with all challenges. Sure every Lego super car 1:8 will be heavily damaged if you crash it the wall or etc… 

Regarding this car, small system bricks can be a problem, but I believe I can modify the body/chassis to be more robust. I mean, I have to change the half of the chassis anyway to put all electronic components and the large battery 

Edited November 8, 2024 by Tup4n

[T Lego]

@Tup4n Sounds cool! Surely you will have to redesign huge parts of the chassis and some parts of the bodywork.

- Yes the weight is arround 3KGs, I am unable to give you an exact measurement at the moment. Parts count doesn't always scale proportionally with weight. I used quite a lot of small parts and don't forget that CaDa's panels and frames are composed of several sub-parts. 

- Yes, you can use Sian or bugatti rims

Make sure to share the video here once the projected is completed!