42157 - Skidder John Deere 948L-II

[GoldVillage]

49 minutes ago, Saruzeufel said:

Skidders usually do not have this feature IRL... so not having a rotation function is more realistic.

Actually they do, but its more like a return to center function i dont think its able to turn the grabble while loaded with timber

[HydroWorld Outlook]

The final product for 42157 looks fantastic without a doubt. Those new claw pieces will be very useful. Additionally, this set's packed with pneumatic cylinders, which increases the value we're getting for its price.

Unfortunately, however, I do have one major critique: it does not appear that this set will contain a motorized pneumatic compressor, and that's a massive missed opportunity for TLG considering this set's $200 price tag. We haven't gotten a motorized compressor in any set since 2018's 42080 Forest Machine, which contained 489 fewer pieces and cost $50 less than what we're getting here. Just one battery box and one PU motor would have been all that was required, so a motorized air compressor absolutely could have fit in this model considering its size. For a $200 set, it's a real shame that TLG decided to stick with the manual air pump design. 

Edited May 2, 2023 by HydroWorld Outlook

[SaperPL]

Am I the only one that noticed the new 3L pin used for pistons in mini fake piston engine? I didn't think about that, but It seems like a cool alternative to having to secure the axle with a bushing.

[higgins91]

15 minutes ago, AVCampos said:

Tree Trunks?

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[pleegwat]

21 minutes ago, HydroWorld Outlook said:

Unfortunately, however, I do have one major critique: it does not appear that this set will contain a motorized pneumatic compressor, and that's a massive missed opportunity for TLG considering this set's $200 price tag. We haven't gotten a motorized compressor in any set since 2018's 42080 Forest Machine, which contained 489 fewer pieces and cost $50 less than what we're getting here. Just one battery box and one PU motor would have been all that was required, so a motorized air compressor absolutely could have fit in this model considering its size. For a $200 set, it's a real shame that TLG decided to stick with the manual air pump design. 

With how expensive PU tends to be, I imagine they did it for cost reasons. And of course a motor compressor as an optional feature with separate motorization set (as in 42053) is out, since I don't think they do separate motor kits any more.

[Michael217]

28 minutes ago, SaperPL said:

Am I the only one that noticed the new 3L pin used for pistons in mini fake piston engine? I didn't think about that, but It seems like a cool alternative to having to secure the axle with a bushing.

This part is no longer new and was in other sets, look at the bricklink.

1 hour ago, mahjqa said:

I can't make sense of the geometry of the A-frame. I would assume all holes on there are on a regular grid. Then how does the 11 stud flip-flop beam fit in? It appears to stretch between two holes that should, by all means, be more than 10 studs apart center-to-center. 

I assembled such a frame from beams, there are almost 11 pins, but not 10. Very strange.

[allanp]

1 hour ago, mahjqa said:

I can't make sense of the geometry of the A-frame. I would assume all holes on there are on a regular grid. Then how does the 11 stud flip-flop beam fit in? It appears to stretch between two holes that should, by all means, be more than 10 studs apart center-to-center.

Nice spot. Looks as though the flip flop beam may only be pinned at one end using a black friction pin, hard to tell for sure.

[Maaboo the Witch]

2 hours ago, allanp said:

Unfortunately they snuck in some LAs at the rear

Again, that's the front.

[Michael217]

48 minutes ago, HydroWorld Outlook said:

Unfortunately, however, I do have one major critique: it does not appear that this set will contain a motorized pneumatic compressor, and that's a massive missed opportunity for TLG considering this set's $200 price tag. We haven't gotten a motorized compressor in any set since 2018's 42080 Forest Machine, which contained 489 fewer pieces and cost $50 less than what we're getting here. Just one battery box and one PU motor would have been all that was required, so a motorized air compressor absolutely could have fit in this model considering its size. For a $200 set, it's a real shame that TLG decided to stick with the manual air pump design.  

TLG could connect a small power supply from the train and an m-motor.

[allanp]

Just now, Maaboo35 said:

Again, that's the front.

Dang it! To the rear of the front bit at the front of the front opposite the rear end then.

[Maaboo the Witch]

Just now, allanp said:

Dang it! To the rear of the front bit at the front of the front opposite the rear end then.

Exactly.

[SaperPL]

22 minutes ago, Michael217 said:

This part is no longer new and was in other sets, look at the bricklink.

by "new" I meant that it's relatively new type of pin. What surprised me is the usage here, didn't thought about using this part for loose usage.

[R0Sch]

21 minutes ago, Michael217 said:

This part is no longer new and was in other sets, look at the bricklink.

I assembled such a frame from beams, there are almost 11 pins, but not 10. Very strange.

Something like this. But the length is only 15.7 studs if an 11 stud flip-flop beam aligns with the diagonal holes. Weird geometry indeed. Usually Technic frames are uneven stud length.

[Void_S]

Hmmm, it looks like 42029's B-Model but with all aspects improved:

[HydroWorld Outlook]

1 hour ago, R0Sch said:

Something like this. But the length is only 15.7 studs if an 11 stud flip-flop beam aligns with the diagonal holes. Weird geometry indeed. Usually Technic frames are uneven stud length.

Look closer. The new A-Frame piece has reinforcements. And in case anyone didn't notice, I'm pretty sure this is the same A-Frame piece we will see used in yellow on 42146. That should give us some perspective on its boom size.

Edited May 2, 2023 by HydroWorld Outlook
Resized image in Adobe; too big.

[howitzer]

Wow, looks great. A sure buy for me even if I don't like the license that much.

I'm happy that we're getting every year at least 1 or 2 proper Technic sets to keep the line interesting. Without these few gems I would lose my interest in Technic entirely.

[allanp]

1 hour ago, R0Sch said:

Something like this. But the length is only 15.7 studs if an 11 stud flip-flop beam aligns with the diagonal holes. Weird geometry indeed. Usually Technic frames are uneven stud length.
 

I think it's more likely that they are exactly 16M long, and the flip flop beams might only be pinned at one end.

Edited May 2, 2023 by allanp

[R0Sch]

3 minutes ago, HydroWorld Outlook said:

Look closer. The new A-Frame piece has reinforcements. And in case anyone didn't notice, I'm pretty sure this is the same A-Frame piece we will see used in yellow on 42146.

I know it has zig-zag reinforcement but I don't need those for reverse engineering the model, only the connection points are important. But yes, it was originally made for the Liebherr crane, the heavy differential is another such example.

[Maaboo the Witch]

11 minutes ago, howitzer said:

Wow, looks great. A sure buy for me even if I don't like the license that much.

What could you possibly have against John Deere?

[allanp]

16 minutes ago, HydroWorld Outlook said:

Look closer. The new A-Frame piece has reinforcements. And in case anyone didn't notice, I'm pretty sure this is the same A-Frame piece we will see used in yellow on 42146.

 

The A-frames are dark grey in the leaked image. Imagine the crazy off-roader you could make with those A frames as wishbones! The yellow frames are larger and rectangular.

Edited May 2, 2023 by allanp

[Michael217]

16 minutes ago, HydroWorld Outlook said:

Look closer. The new A-Frame piece has reinforcements. And in case anyone didn't notice, I'm pretty sure this is the same A-Frame piece we will see used in yellow on 42146. That should give us some perspective on its boom size

These parts are 100% consistent with the 42126 set. But we are talking here about the fact that the length of these frames is not equal to an even number of pins)))

[howitzer]

6 minutes ago, Maaboo35 said:

What could you possibly have against John Deere?

Not going to go that much into corporate politics here, but apparently they have done some crappy things to their customers with vendor locking, which causes severe problems for farmers. You can probably find out more with Google.

[HydroWorld Outlook]

14 minutes ago, allanp said:

The A-frames are dark grey in the leaked image. Imagine the crazy off-roader you could make with those A frames as wishbones! The yellow frames are larger and rectangular.

You're right, I stand corrected. And I guess we'll see just how useful these parts end up being in MOCs.

Edited May 2, 2023 by HydroWorld Outlook

[Erik Leppen]

56 minutes ago, allanp said:

I think it's more likely that they are exactly 16M long, and the flip flop beams might only be pinned at one end.

and maybe kept in place by half-pins.

But it's still weird to find a Technic piece with holes at slight-more-than-integer distance between holes.

That said, if the expectation that it's 16 long is correct, then the triangular parts have a 1:5 ratio, which would be half the angle of a 5:12:13 triangle which is known to have almost exactly the same angle as the #3 and #5 angle connectors.

[TexasEngineer454]

Can we assume the steering mechanics will be similar to the 42136 set, just larger? It's a very simple and effective means. 

 

I definitely see this as a good base to install some PU capabilities.