New Rumored Pirate Set in July 2023

[Dreamweb]

5 minutes ago, Jack Sassy said:

But isn't that monopoly of bricks that LEGO designed (Admittedly, I don't know the full history behind System brick design)?

Not quite. LEGO itself is a clone-of-sorts of Kiddicraft (which was settled legally AFAIK).

[Yperio_Bricks]

21 minutes ago, Dreamweb said:

Not quite. LEGO itself is a clone-of-sorts of Kiddicraft (which was settled legally AFAIK).

It was only settled legally in 1981. The original Kiddicraft patent was only applicable in GB. Kiddicraft even had two sizes of bricks. One size we know as Lego today, the other one is Duplo size. Conincidence? 

The founder of Kiddicraft was never aware (edit: as far as we know) that his ideas had been stolen and he commited suicide 3 years before Lego sold the first sets on the GB market in 1960.

 

Edited June 10, 2023 by Yperio_Bricks

[DonQuixote]

1 hour ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

It was only settled legally in 1981. The original Kiddicraft patent was only applicable in GB. Kiddicraft even had two sizes of bricks. One size we know as Lego today, the other one is Duplo size. Conincidence? 

The founder of Kiddicraft was never aware (edit: as far as we know) that his ideas had been stolen and he commited suicide 3 years before Lego sold the first sets on the GB market in 1960.

 

So everytime a Lego purist acuses me buying 'fake' Lego, I respond with : well Lego is actually fake Kiddiecraft. Even a lot of moc builders use alternative building blocks. Like Mocyourbricks on YouTube who created the magnificent Black Pearl, uses Lego combined with other brands. He even advertises this. 

Edited June 10, 2023 by DonQuixote

[LegoAUT]

For me this issue is very simpe: the patent of Lego has long run out, therefore knock-offs are legitimate and competition is good for the customer.

[kuzyabricks]

Well if we’re on a Lego discussion thread any bricks that aren’t Lego are fake Lego 🤷🏼‍♂️ I had a ton of fake Lego when I was younger which funnily enough we’re essentially models of vintage Lego sets lol. So even me being much younger than everyone on this thread I’ve enjoyed a fraction of “old” sets as well. Not a fan of non Lego bricks though. Just a bad taste. No hate for anyone using them though

[canuckster]

Lego seems to be more tight-lipped about sets that are more for AFOLs, my assumption would be they don't want to deal with the backlash before they reach a point of no return when it comes to marketing.

The funny thing is though it's not really difficult for Lego to knock a set out of the park IMO for AFOLs, look at the 90th anniversary sets, both of those were excellent sets. AFOLs like me aren't particularly concerned with price per piece counts, just give me something more grand than when I was a kid, and not some dinky play thing and I'll give you all my money.

Edited June 11, 2023 by canuckster

[Jack Sassy]

17 hours ago, Dreamweb said:

LEGO itself is a clone-of-sorts of Kiddicraft

Ah, didn't know that, thank ye! 

4 hours ago, canuckster said:

AFOLs like me aren't particularly concerned with price per piece counts, just give me something more grand than when I was a kid, and not some dinky play thing and I'll give you all my money.

I would be settled for smaller battle pack type sets like those of the Classic Pirates. Then again, that would mean a whole new wave which seems like something LEGO doesn't want to do. 

[DonQuixote]

27 minutes ago, Jack Sassy said:

Ah, didn't know that, thank ye! 

I would be settled for smaller battle pack type sets like those of the Classic Pirates. Then again, that would mean a whole new wave which seems like something LEGO doesn't want to do. 

Well smaller cheaper sets are actually more expensive then big sets because of packaging. It's better to buy one 400€ set instead of twenty sets of 20€ in a year. You will notice that you have more value for your money with the big sets. 

[Yperio_Bricks]

9 minutes ago, DonQuixote said:

You will notice that you have more value for your money with the big sets. 

Indiana Jones 77013 Escape from the Lost Tomb enters the chat.

[DonQuixote]

3 minutes ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

Indiana Jones 77013 Escape from the Lost Tomb enters the chat.

OK there are always exceptions. 

But this doesn't count because it has no yellow minifigs. Lol 

[Alexandrina]

19 hours ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

One size we know as Lego today, the other one is Duplo size. Conincidence? 

Given that Duplo is specifically sized to be compatible with Lego at a larger scale, isn't it just inevitable? Once Lego's size was standardised, Duplo could only ever be one size.

[Yperio_Bricks]

7 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

Given that Duplo is specifically sized to be compatible with Lego at a larger scale, isn't it just inevitable? Once Lego's size was standardised, Duplo could only ever be one size.

What i wanted to say is that both sizes, Lego and Duplo, are copies of Kiddicraft.

EDIT: So even the idea of bigger bricks for smaller children is a copy.

Edited June 11, 2023 by Yperio_Bricks

[Alexandrina]

31 minutes ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

What i wanted to say is that both sizes, Lego and Duplo, are copies of Kiddicraft.

EDIT: So even the idea of bigger bricks for smaller children is a copy.

I get that, but Duplo's size is a product of its relation to Lego's size - therefore it isn't necessarily a copy of Kiddicraft so much as it's the size you get when you upscale Lego.

Lego's size being a match for Kiddicraft on the other hand would be more significant (sidebar: are they actually an exact match? I've never seen any Kiddicraft in the flesh but the pictures online look deeper than Lego)

[Jack Sassy]

2 hours ago, DonQuixote said:

It's better to buy one 400€ set instead of twenty sets of 20€ in a year.

I was thinking more like 5 - 10 euro sets like those that were popular around 2009. Those provided great value for army building. Take this one as an example:

[Mister Phes]

4 minutes ago, Jack Sassy said:

I was thinking more like 5 - 10 euro sets like those that were popular around 2009.

A set such as Soldier's Arsenal retailed for less than 5 Euros, didn't it?

How much would one 2009 soldier and accessories cost if procure via Bricklink or similar?

[Jack Sassy]

17 minutes ago, Mister Phes said:

How much would one 2009 soldier and accessories cost if procure via Bricklink or similar?

Well, the minifigure from this particular set right now sells for an average price of 12.36 new and 6.85 used in euro. Rarely do sellers sell these figures with accesories but these particular accesories sell for 12 to 65 cents average each (Of course, the sword is the cheapest and musket is the most expensive one).

[Sir Dano]

Personally I'd rather just buy minifig pieces direct from PaB, much cheaper than "cheap" sets for army building.

 

[Roebuck]

There are 3 ways to get pirate sets realistically these days:

1. We get a D2C every say 3 years like B-bay and hopefully "Eldorado fortress" this year, maybe a GWP every 2-3 years as well.
2. We get a wave of the normal sets every 5-10 years
3. We get a Creator 3-in-1 every 3-5 years

If you can choose only 1 what will it be We are not in golden 1984-1994 period any longer when there is plenty of small and medium sized Pirates, Castle and Space sets to choose from, but one D2C every year from one of those themes will probably be even better

[Yperio_Bricks]

3 hours ago, Roebuck said:

 

1. We get a D2C every say 3 years like B-bay and hopefully "Eldorado fortress" this year, maybe a GWP every 2-3 years as well.
2. We get a wave of the normal sets every 5-10 years
3. We get a Creator 3-in-1 every 3-5 years

4. Eventually there will be a new PotC movie with a accompanying wave of sets.

[Roebuck]

1 minute ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

4. Eventually there will be a new PotC movie with a accompanying wave of sets.

I do not count those as Pirates, the same with HP or LOTR as Castle sets

[Yperio_Bricks]

5 minutes ago, Roebuck said:

I do not count those as Pirates, the same with HP or LOTR as Castle sets

But it's the best pirates we've ever seen

[Sir Dano]

No, not really.

[DonQuixote]

1 hour ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

4. Eventually there will be a new PotC movie with a accompanying wave of sets.

A new PotC movie will be bad because Johny Depp refuses to play Jack Sparrow again because Disney dumped him while Depp was is in court. Disney : the destroyer of franchises, first they ruin Starwars, then Game of thrones (by seducing Beniof&Weiss) and now it is PotC. 

[Alexandrina]

4 hours ago, Sir Dano said:

ersonally I'd rather just buy minifig pieces direct from PaB, much cheaper than "cheap" sets for army building.

Is it that much cheaper than something like the Soldier's Arsenal set, which retailed for £2.50 and included a soldier and some accessories. There are no soldiers on PaB at the moment (yet!) but if we compare it to the cost of a Lion Knight on PaB (specifically, cas567 with accessories).

- Torso: £0.83

- Legs: £0.47

- Head: £0.23 (your pick of several appropriate heads)

- Helmet: £0.18

- Shield: £1.12

- Sword: £0.17

- Helmet Plume: £0.14

That comes to £3.14 altogether. These sets usually include a build as well with some extra bricks that are nice to have, and there'd probably be either an extra weapon (halberd?) or helmet. Now sure, sets like Soldier's Arsenal would be more expensive today but it's a comparable price.

On top of that, Lego's delivery is £3.95 unless you spend over £50. (In other words, if you only bought the parts to recreate cas567, you'd have to buy thirteen minifigures to reach free delivery). This isn't necessarily an issue for AFOLs who have enough income to afford that, but I think cheaper sets are primarily aimed at kids who can't afford to drop £50 on minifigures. To use a personal anecdote: I was twelve when Soldier's Arsenal came out, and getting £3 a week pocket money. It would have taken me seventeen weeks to reach the free delivery threshold on Lego.com, assuming I spent less than £1 on sweets/drinks/going out with friends/everything during that time. (And had I reached that amount, I'd have been less than a tenner away from buying Brickbeard's Bounty, which is a far better deal than fifteen minifigures). On the other hand, I was able to buy Soldier's Arsenal easily.

(Yes, you could buy a smaller number of figs and eat the delivery charge, but that makes the PaB even smaller a saving. The real issue is that sets like that simply aren't made nowadays.)

1 minute ago, DonQuixote said:

Disney : the destroyer of franchises, first they ruin Starwars, then Game of thrones (by seducing Beniof&Weiss) and now it is PotC. 

Didn't Disney create Pirates of the Caribbean?

Also, I missed the part when they ruined Star Wars.

[Sir Dano]

29 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

Is it that much cheaper than something like the Soldier's Arsenal set

Cheapest sets you can get now are polybags, and those retail for $5 USD.

Cheapest pirate/soldier minifig you can build currently costs ~$2.50 USD, so yeah they're cheaper.

I figured it out using a rough approximation of a soldier(that shield with the castle knight increases the price by a lot):

(Just realized I forgot the epaulettes but that's only about 10 cents more)

Free shipping threshold is $35 so that's about 15 figs. if you were to spend $35 on polybags you'd get 7 minifigs.

Should also note I don't really care about what kids can or can't buy(that's Lego's problem, not mine), I'm looking at this from an afol army builder's perspective.

Edited June 12, 2023 by Sir Dano