New Rumored Pirate Set in July 2023

[Alexandrina]

38 minutes ago, Sir Dano said:

that shield with the castle knight increases the price by a lot

While this is true, a polybag/small set which contains just a knight and a small build (equivalent to Soldier's Arsenal), would probably include a shield. In fact the Castle equivalent set from the same period 5615 included a shield, sword, pike, armour and two helmets, for an even lower price. (£1.99)

It's also unfair to compare current polybag prices, given that part of the issue is that these truly cheap sets aren't made nowadays - if they were, they would be the cheapest way to army build. I just looked for polybags released this year that weren't magazine exclusives (as those are more expensive thanks to the magazine) and for instance set 30651 includes a minifigure and 50 pieces. A set that size in the 2009 wave where Soldier's Arsenal was released would be between Cannon Battle and Kraken Attackin; the cheapest sets are more expensive now because the old cheapest sets don't exist any more.

[Yperio_Bricks]

1 hour ago, Sir Dano said:

No, not really.

It was just a quote from the first movie I just made pirates out of pirate

[Dreamweb]

On 6/11/2023 at 1:07 AM, LegoAUT said:

competition is good for the customer

I agree.

On 6/11/2023 at 12:48 AM, DonQuixote said:

Even a lot of moc builders use alternative building blocks. Like Mocyourbricks on YouTube who created the magnificent Black Pearl, uses Lego combined with other brands. He even advertises this. 

Well, a lot of us Pirate fans use at the very least custom sails and ropes for their ships, which are not genuine LEGO either. This is quite customary and nobody is making any fuss about it.

I remember seeing a used clone-brand pirate ship at a local marketplace. It had a hull similar, but not identical to the narrower hulls from classic Pirate sets. It was black or dark grey, not sure now. I did not buy it on the grounds that it was not original LEGO. Sometimes I regret this desicion. If anything, it would make my fleet look more diverse.

[eldiano]

fingers crossed for some announcements, July sets are starting to pop up 😍

[kuzyabricks]

6 hours ago, Sir Dano said:

Cheapest sets you can get now are polybags, and those retail for $5 USD.

Cheapest pirate/soldier minifig you can build currently costs ~$2.50 USD, so yeah they're cheaper.

I figured it out using a rough approximation of a soldier(that shield with the castle knight increases the price by a lot):

(Just realized I forgot the epaulettes but that's only about 10 cents more)

Free shipping threshold is $35 so that's about 15 figs. if you were to spend $35 on polybags you'd get 7 minifigs.

Should also note I don't really care about what kids can or can't buy(that's Lego's problem, not mine), I'm looking at this from an afol army builder's perspective.

 

for a theme to last all demographics have to be able to at least purchase a few sets from the theme, otherwise we can bid that theme farewell

[Sir Dano]

8 hours ago, Alexandrina said:

It's also unfair to compare current polybag prices, given that part of the issue is that these truly cheap sets aren't made nowadays - if they were, they would be the cheapest way to army build. I just looked for polybags released this year that weren't magazine exclusives (as those are more expensive thanks to the magazine) and for instance set 30651 includes a minifigure and 50 pieces. A set that size in the 2009 wave where Soldier's Arsenal was released would be between Cannon Battle and Kraken Attackin; the cheapest sets are more expensive now because the old cheapest sets don't exist any more.

It's not 2009 anymore. There's no way Lego in 2023 would make boxed sets that are cheaper than what polybags currently are.

2 hours ago, kuzyabricks said:

for a theme to last all demographics have to be able to at least purchase a few sets from the theme, otherwise we can bid that theme farewell

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that Lego doesn't think pirate sets sell to anyone other than 80s and 90s kids so I doubt we'll ever see another theme.

Edited June 12, 2023 by Sir Dano

[dimc]

I'm torn on this. Eldorado is one of my favorites from back in the day, even if I didn't get it until a few years ago. It occupies a permanent spot on my display shelves due to this. But if they only remake the fort and there's no ship of decent size, it feels like the pirates have the upper hand, in firepower and set "interestingness." I don't think they will do a convertible thing like PoBB has, so it'll have to be a separate ship like the Clipper, which I am honestly fine with.

But the Imperial Trading Post would be incredible with bluecoats. It's both a fort and a civilian area, which the pirates need in order to be pirates. Attacking other nations military ships is just war. Both originals are fantastic sets, but the trading ship is one of my favorites ever. It's such a wonderful mid-sized ship.

I get the feeling it will be Eldorado, and honestly, I won't complain. I have a Clipper and custom flagship that I can use to battle PoBB. But it would just be so cool if there was a civilian ship for pirates to go after (and recruit from) and some bluecoats to fight back.

I wish they would do a GWP remake of Harbour Sentry. It's so silly and amazing. I think I have half a dozen of them paddling around the docks of the trading post...

[Alexandrina]

28 minutes ago, Sir Dano said:

It's not 2009 anymore, grandma. There's no way Lego in 2023 would make boxed sets that are cheaper than what polybags currently are.

I mean, there's no need to be rude. The discussion literally started with somebody mentioning Soldiers' Arsenal, and several other people discussing that set and others like it. In fact, that's what the discussion was about when you said it was cheaper to PaB it. You'll forgive me for assuming that it was fair cop to compare the literal set being discussed to the parts you say it's cheaper to buy via PaB.

18 minutes ago, dimc said:

I wish they would do a GWP remake of Harbour Sentry. It's so silly and amazing. I think I have half a dozen of them paddling around the docks of the trading post...

Lol, somehow I'd never seen this one before! Now I'm imagining some poor Imperial Guard being propelled at high speed from the simple physics of firing a cannon from a rowboat. A primitive motor, maybe.

[dimc]

6 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

Lol, somehow I'd never seen this one before! Now I'm imagining some poor Imperial Guard being propelled at high speed from the simple physics of firing a cannon from a rowboat. A primitive motor, maybe. 

Aside from the immediate sinking you'd get from putting a cannon of that size in a 3-person rowboat, it would be amusing to watch it fire.

This and the redcoats Bounty Boat both make excellent army builders. Sentry has the wrong epaulettes and hat, but eh, getting another boat, cannon, and flag make up for it. Easy to use to outfit the Clipper with full guns and an escape boat, plus more soldiers. Bounty is great, you get a civilian or pirate and two soldiers, plus treasure, weapons, and a boat. Easy way to bulk up your redcoats and whoever else needs another man on their side.

If you ever buy vintage hauls from the late 80s or early 90s, you're almost guaranteed to get one or both. That must explain the exceptionally large number of red rowboats I've acquired over the years...

[Sir Dano]

6 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

I mean, there's no need to be rude. The discussion literally started with somebody mentioning Soldiers' Arsenal, and several other people discussing that set and others like it. In fact, that's what the discussion was about when you said it was cheaper to PaB it. You'll forgive me for assuming that it was fair cop to compare the literal set being discussed to the parts you say it's cheaper to buy via PaB.

I apologize if it came across as rude but I stand by what I said, there's no way you're getting 2009 prices for sets in 2023 and it's much cheaper to use PaB if you're army building.

[Alexandrina]

50 minutes ago, dimc said:

If you ever buy vintage hauls from the late 80s or early 90s, you're almost guaranteed to get one or both.

I wish!! In sixteen vintage lots in the last three years, the only Pirate stuff I've found has been a pirate minifigure, an armless bluecoat torso and two Islander catamarans without the stickers (and 2/3 of a Jack Stone pirate set but the less said about that the better!)

[dimc]

4 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

I wish!! In sixteen vintage lots in the last three years, the only Pirate stuff I've found has been a pirate minifigure, an armless bluecoat torso and two Islander catamarans without the stickers (and 2/3 of a Jack Stone pirate set but the less said about that the better!)

Oh wow! I can see 5 red rowboats on display right now and I know there are a lot more somewhere. Maybe they weren't as common in the UK? Granted, I am very picky about which I try to buy, but still, I've ended up with a lot. No Barracudas or Schooners yet though, I did get a Red Beard Runner which I'd like to sell once I get a better big pirate ship. And I have a clipper and a custom version that I made from some spare parts I got, so I'm pretty well set there. 10210 would be a dream though...

[Roebuck]

10 hours ago, dimc said:

I'm torn on this. Eldorado is one of my favorites from back in the day, even if I didn't get it until a few years ago. It occupies a permanent spot on my display shelves due to this. But if they only remake the fort and there's no ship of decent size, it feels like the pirates have the upper hand, in firepower and set "interestingness." I don't think they will do a convertible thing like PoBB has, so it'll have to be a separate ship like the Clipper, which I am honestly fine with.

But the Imperial Trading Post would be incredible with bluecoats. It's both a fort and a civilian area, which the pirates need in order to be pirates. Attacking other nations military ships is just war. Both originals are fantastic sets, but the trading ship is one of my favorites ever. It's such a wonderful mid-sized ship.

I get the feeling it will be Eldorado, and honestly, I won't complain. I have a Clipper and custom flagship that I can use to battle PoBB. But it would just be so cool if there was a civilian ship for pirates to go after (and recruit from) and some bluecoats to fight back.

I wish they would do a GWP remake of Harbour Sentry. It's so silly and amazing. I think I have half a dozen of them paddling around the docks of the trading post...

I think the trading post is to big for the number of parts this has according to rumors, the Eldorado fortress is possible to do, but have me worried about the low number I must say.
If we get a Pirate set every 3 years maybe next time will be another ship

[Alexandrina]

13 hours ago, dimc said:

Oh wow! I can see 5 red rowboats on display right now and I know there are a lot more somewhere. Maybe they weren't as common in the UK? Granted, I am very picky about which I try to buy, but still, I've ended up with a lot. No Barracudas or Schooners yet though, I did get a Red Beard Runner which I'd like to sell once I get a better big pirate ship. And I have a clipper and a custom version that I made from some spare parts I got, so I'm pretty well set there. 10210 would be a dream though...

Possible. It might also be a factor that I've never bought a job lot specifically because I could see pirate bricks in there (and don't go for the really huge lots as I don't have the income to drop several hundred pounds on what effectively is speculation). I have a stupid high hit-rate for getting significantly more than I paid for in terms of market rate, which I do by being selective with what joblots I even go in for and usually browsing Marketplace listings where the seller clearly doesn't know what they have. I would love to find one of the ships (or even just a hull piece!)

[LegoAUT]

22 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

Possible. It might also be a factor that I've never bought a job lot specifically because I could see pirate bricks in there (and don't go for the really huge lots as I don't have the income to drop several hundred pounds on what effectively is speculation). I have a stupid high hit-rate for getting significantly more than I paid for in terms of market rate, which I do by being selective with what joblots I even go in for and usually browsing Marketplace listings where the seller clearly doesn't know what they have. I would love to find one of the ships (or even just a hull piece!)

I think the hull pieces are not that expensive on BL.

[dimc]

1 hour ago, Alexandrina said:

Possible. It might also be a factor that I've never bought a job lot specifically because I could see pirate bricks in there (and don't go for the really huge lots as I don't have the income to drop several hundred pounds on what effectively is speculation). I have a stupid high hit-rate for getting significantly more than I paid for in terms of market rate, which I do by being selective with what joblots I even go in for and usually browsing Marketplace listings where the seller clearly doesn't know what they have. I would love to find one of the ships (or even just a hull piece!)

I never had much in the way of pirate sets as a child, so that has been one thing I've aimed for. I also look specifically for certain pieces that I know are rare and came in a few sets, and that typically ends up with the era being very much what I want. My goal is often to get a good deal on the lot, and then complete and sell off stuff I either already have or don't care about to help cover my costs.

I've only got one complete Clipper, and the Red Beard Runner and Renegade Runner. Ships are pretty rare, I don't know that I've ever seen Barracuda. I saw part of a Schooner once, and I'm still a bit salty that I was too late to get it for cheap. I've somehow managed to get two Trading Posts, which will get combined into a larger dock and loading area, with more complete buildings. Gotta have a place for all those Harbour Sentries to hang out, you know. :P

5 hours ago, Roebuck said:

I think the trading post is to big for the number of parts this has according to rumors, the Eldorado fortress is possible to do, but have me worried about the low number I must say.
If we get a Pirate set every 3 years maybe next time will be another ship

Honestly, a big throwback set every third year would be fine for my wallet.

[iragm]

14 hours ago, dimc said:

Oh wow! I can see 5 red rowboats on display right now and I know there are a lot more somewhere. Maybe they weren't as common in the UK? Granted, I am very picky about which I try to buy, but still, I've ended up with a lot. No Barracudas or Schooners yet though, I did get a Red Beard Runner which I'd like to sell once I get a better big pirate ship. And I have a clipper and a custom version that I made from some spare parts I got, so I'm pretty well set there. 10210 would be a dream though... 

Barracuda and Clipper are extremely common.  I see 2-3 a week sell in bulk goodwill lots and I've personally bought, restored and resold several of each.  If you learn how to oxyclean and iron the sails, a few minutes of work makes them look good as new and they sell very quickly on eBay.

Skull's Eye is a hard one to find, I have only seen 2 sell in the last year, and it usually goes for $400+ especially if the sails are visible.  It seems that Renegade Runner outsold it 10:1.  On that note, if you learn how to make custom sails, a Renegade Runner with no minifigures and custom sails will sell all day long for about $100 -- and it usually pays for a good chunk of the bulk lot.

1 hour ago, Alexandrina said:

Possible. It might also be a factor that I've never bought a job lot specifically because I could see pirate bricks in there (and don't go for the really huge lots as I don't have the income to drop several hundred pounds on what effectively is speculation). 

Budget for this kind of thing.  I have never once lost money buying a bulk lot, and as prices rise people without disposable income are priced out.  Every $100 increase psychologically or literally prices out another group of potential buyers.  Once you get up to $300 or $400, most people get scared off.  But that's only 2-3 large vintage sets, which are quite easy to rebuild and resell!

Some suggestions:

• Never buy from someone who knows what they are selling -- look for people who don't care.  Goodwill is the best, hands down.
• It's better to be quick than to bid in an auction.  I have scripts that I wrote that scrape at the major sites and notify me instantly when new stuff is posted.  I know I'm not the only one doing this because often stuff is gone before I can hit buy.
• Value each lot based on what you can see.  Certain parts are extremely valuable -- like the blue palm tree tops -- and can easily justify purchasing a lot even if there's not much else there.  If you see only a blue palm tree top, don't bid as if there's an entire 6271 present though, because the rest of the set could easily have been lost.
• Learn to resell what you don't want.  I usually flip 1/4 to 3/4 of each lot I buy.  It's enough to pay for the lot, so in I only spend time sorting and rebuilding sets.  It's fun and hard to say no to free Lego.  Plus, I don't care for some themes like classic space, so it feels wrong to have a bin full of those parts that I'll never use.  I sell them to people who are thrilled to have them, and I keep the pirate and castle stuff that I love.  Win/win.

[RichardGoring]

30 minutes ago, dimc said:

Honestly, a big throwback set every third year would be fine for my wallet.

Also feels like it's the most sustainable way for pirates to continue long-term, rather than a big rush at once and then nothing for another decade.

[dimc]

18 minutes ago, iragm said:

Barracuda and Clipper are extremely common.  I see 2-3 a week sell in bulk goodwill lots and I've personally bought, restored and resold several of each. 

Not where I am; I've gotten part of a Clipper twice, and one lot had a complete one, which is now on my display. Granted, I don't do this with the same vigor that you do, I'm just trying to get the old sets I always wanted but never got.

I have found that with some care, it's easy to make a profit (in cash, if not in time) when you are selective. I spent $175 on a lot recently, mostly early 90s, and I've got a Renegade Runner completed waiting to be posted, and Sabre Island, some Bounty Boats, King Kahuka, as well as a variety of Space (SP2, Ice Planet, Exploriens, UFO) and some Aquazone, then Western. I'm planning to keep all the Castle stuff; the big scores were Black Knight's Castle and Fire Breathing Fortress, which aren't complete but close enough. A BL order or two will sort them out easily. The rest gets sold to refund my purchase price and hopefully make a few bucks above and beyond.

11 minutes ago, RichardGoring said:

Also feels like it's the most sustainable way for pirates to continue long-term, rather than a big rush at once and then nothing for another decade.

If the minifigs make it into PAB or BAM, even better. A bit of mix and match allows you to build out the world pretty easily.

[RichardGoring]

2 hours ago, dimc said:

If the minifigs make it into PAB or BAM, even better. A bit of mix and match allows you to build out the world pretty easily.

Absolutely!

[Khargeust]

So, official announcement is tomorrow thursday the 15th ?

[LegoAUT]

6 minutes ago, Khargeust said:

So, official announcement is tomorrow thursday the 15th ?

I think that remains to be seen but is the assumption of some people.

[dilligan]

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Edited June 14, 2023 by dilligan

[astroboy75]

Mmmmh a bit disapointed ! Looks a lot like a MOC ...

[Pirate_King_1982]

Link?