2023 Majisto GWP

[Alexandrina]

1 minute ago, Sir Blew said:

Mediaeval fantasy is based on mediaeval legends and folklore from mediaeval times. It's mediaeval based regardless of how many wizards and dragons it has in it.

Fantasy uses medieval trappings and aesthetics but it's not inherently medieval (and in fact a lot of the popular fantasy isn't. Lord of the Rings takes a lot of its inspiration from pre-medieval sources; The Wheel of Time is on the cusp of industry and has fireworks and cannons; ASOIAF takes so many liberties with actual historical fact that you can't really call it medieval). And even with that being said, women as fighters is not an unknown thing in medieval folklore. For instance, you could argue that the "brown girl" in the local story of Fair Elinor is a fighter. Traditions of the hop-picking festival of 1800s Herefordshire indicate at least some tradition of women in the roles traditionally held by men.

[R0Sch]

Here's the Studio file for anyone who wants to mod or rebrick it and just buy the classic minifigures from BL instead of wasting 250€. I get that the designer wanted to stay faithful to the original set, but then I see weird things like splitting up the fireplace and smoke guard - very unsightly - in half, a pretty bad part usage and using different colors than original (e.g. brown clips).
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Edited November 13, 2023 by R0Sch

[Alexandrina]

4 minutes ago, R0Sch said:

Here's the Studio file for anyone who wants to mod or rebrick it and just buy the classic minifigures from BL instead of wasting 250€.

Thanks for this  I doubt I'll be able to get the set myself but it's always nice to plumb official sets for techniques to steal (especially when they're using BURPs, which seems vanishingly rare of late)

[Classic_Spaceman]

8 minutes ago, R0Sch said:

The back looks really messy and boring. 😕
 

[HotdogBricks]

On DuckBricks’ video about the Majisto GWP, he shows a render of the set from fan media day. Can anyone identify what Majisto is holding in his hand at 2:45?

 

Edited November 13, 2023 by HotdogBricks

[Alexandrina]

12 minutes ago, HotdogBricks said:

Can anyone identify what Majisto is holding in his hand at 2:45?

It looks like 25893 (or 79194, they're effectively the same piece). Presumably this solves the mystery of how Majisto's scroll is floating in front of him - I guess it clips on.

[Lyichir]

12 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

It looks like 25893 (or 79194, they're effectively the same piece). Presumably this solves the mystery of how Majisto's scroll is floating in front of him - I guess it clips on.

I suppose that's smart since having him clip the side of the scroll like a normal tile would risk crumpling the sticker.

[Mandalorianknight]

2 hours ago, Alexandrina said:

I mean, there are female stormtroopers in every era but the Clone Wars (which is obviously an exception because all the clones are the same guy). We've had named female stormtroopers in canon since 2006, and their prominence in the recent era is definitely more pronounced (and also, since they are fully covered in the armour, it's impossible really to tell - but there seems to be evidence that even in the OT there were female stormtroopers, though whether that was actors in the suits or just George Lucas' intention is something I'm unclear on as the comment saying so cites a book I don't own).

Yes, much like in europe with knights, there were female stormtroopers, (probably a larger proportion than knights), but not anywhere near the percentage we're seeing in terms of lego. I'm not saying it needs to be 1:1 with some given canon stat, but in all canon sources most stormtroopers we hear speak are dudes. Every named stuntman or extra in the OT i've seen in the behind the scenes stuff I've watched and read is a guy. Since they're wearing helmets, it really doesn't bug me that much compared to the other stuff (though I do find it very ironic considering they're named after the nazi troops), but it's a good example of lego doing this in other themes.

I'm also going to be an absolute pedant and point out that they did produce a clone with 2 X chromosomes, Omega. And yet we don't have her season 2 outfit.

2 hours ago, Alexandrina said:

He could squeeze in under the BURP by the brown ladder couldn't he? I actually think the knight will have a harder time fitting in because the plume gives her extra height.

If you push the ladder back, he might be able to fit. The knight definately couldn't fit upright, but unlike Merlin she has the ability to bend at the waist and only needs a 1x2 footprint, so she should be fine, just contorted.

[Classic_Spaceman]

Just now, Mandalorianknight said:

I'm also going to be an absolute pedant and point out that they did produce a clone with 2 X chromosomes, Omega. And yet we don't have her season 2 outfit.

I will be more of a pedant and point out that there is also a Trans Clone named Sister, as well as Emerie Karr who we know little about aside from the fact that she is a female Jango Clone. 
 

[Mandalorianknight]

8 minutes ago, Lyichir said:

I suppose that's smart since having him clip the side of the scroll like a normal tile would risk crumpling the sticker.

Another reason it should have been a print... but yeah, they definately have to do this otherwise that sticker's gonna get damaged the first time he holds the scroll. 

1 hour ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

The back looks really messy and boring. 😕

It's not terrible, but for a 2023 set with 365 pieces, it should be a lot better. This is the sort of set I'd expect in the early 2010s.

Just now, Classic_Spaceman said:

Emerie Karr

I'm gonna be real with you chief, until you said her name I'd forgotten they revealed her to be a clone. I wonder if she was an early kaminoan experiment or if her being Omega's "sister" refers to her actually being a daughter of Jango, because that lab scene only had enough tanks for the original Batch (-Echo, +Omega)

[Alexandrina]

7 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

I will be more of a pedant and point out that there is also a Trans Clone named Sister, as well as Emerie Karr who we know little about aside from the fact that she is a female Jango Clone. 

Lol, I didn't realise they had names other than Cody and the blue stripe guy from the 2008 film.

11 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

The knight definately couldn't fit upright, but unlike Merlin she has the ability to bend at the waist and only needs a 1x2 footprint, so she should be fine, just contorted.

She can, but the more she bends the more vertical space she's going to need.

To be honest I suspect the set wasn't designed for having the figures inside at all. Even if it's technically possible to fit one or both in, it's not going to be a proper fit.

[Classic_Spaceman]

21 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

Lol, I didn't realise they had names other than Cody and the blue stripe guy from the 2008 film.

All but the generic background ones do, actually! 
 

[Mandalorianknight]

36 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

All but the generic background ones do, actually! 

Were that were true, yet Clone Who Punched A Droid is known only as Clone Who Punched A Droid

58 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

Lol, I didn't realise they had names other than Cody and the blue stripe guy from the 2008 film.

She can, but the more she bends the more vertical space she's going to need.

To be honest I suspect the set wasn't designed for having the figures inside at all. Even if it's technically possible to fit one or both in, it's not going to be a proper fit.

Basically anyone with more than a line or two does. Off the top of my head the ones not yet mentioned include- Fox, Fives, Echo, Hunter, Crosshair, Tech, Wrecker, Jesse, Doom, Kix, Hardcase, Appo, Thorn, Hevy, O'Niner, Droidbait, Cutup, Colt, Hammer, Matchstick, Oddball, Jag, Broadside, Warthog, Bly, Bacara, Vaughn, Sterling, Neyo, Wolffe, Booster, Gree, Boil, Waxer, and Thire. There are many more, though.

Yeah, while there's enough horizontal space to bend her in, and Merlin might fit if you push the ladder back, it definitely seems it wasn't designed to include figures, which is an extremely odd oversight.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Mandalorianknight

[Classic_Spaceman]

4 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

There are many more, though.

Tup, Appo, Dogma, Ponds, Howzer, Wilco, and Mayday are also prominent ones. 
 

[Yoggington]

I'm quite happy with the set, but then again I had no expectations to be dashed.

I'm looking at it as "Hey free BURPs". Rockwork slopes and masonry bricks always appreciated. And even some of those curved 1x2 slopes in black? All good.

[RichardGoring]

3 hours ago, R0Sch said:

Here's the Studio file for anyone who wants to mod or rebrick it and just buy the classic minifigures from BL instead of wasting 250€. I get that the designer wanted to stay faithful to the original set, but then I see weird things like splitting up the fireplace and smoke guard - very unsightly - in half, a pretty bad part usage and using different colors than original (e.g. brown clips).
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Oh! The 1x1 trans-yellow is the fire. I only saw one official image where Majisto blocks the other side of it. I suppose it's nice to be able to add a pot on it, but it doesn't look great, and it feels like they could have put at least one flame piece in there?

[Classic_Spaceman]

29 minutes ago, RichardGoring said:

I suppose it's nice to be able to add a pot on it, but it doesn't look great, and it feels like they could have put at least one flame piece in there?

There is not even a pot in the set, so it makes no sense to do it that way. 
 

[RichardGoring]

1 hour ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

There is not even a pot in the set, so it makes no sense to do it that way. 
 

There is, isn't there? On the fire on the left-hand side? You can make it out clearly in R0Sch's render, but it's just visible above/behind the scroll tile in this picture:

[Classic_Spaceman]

33 minutes ago, RichardGoring said:

There is, isn't there? On the fire on the left-hand side? You can make it out clearly in R0Sch's render, but it's just visible above/behind the scroll tile in this picture:

Ah! I completely missed that. 
 

[eldiano]

Kudos to you members who can rebuilt a set from the ground up by just looking at it. I was always jealous growing up of the alternate builds in the back of boxes that I "couldn't" do because I couldn't figure how they fit haha lolol

[R0Sch]

I fixed my model based on the back shots from the above linked video. It's so weird that they put the chimney to the side since the smoke collector is symmetrical, so I believe it should be 4 studs lower and one towards the middle (or at the very least switch places with the cheese slope). Whoever did that for the box and instruction did not understand the original model very well because there it made actual sense.

Edited November 14, 2023 by R0Sch

[Sir Blew]

12 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

Not at all likely. The people who complain about female knights are far outweighed by those who either like them (as I do) or simply do not care about the genders of knights; the complainers are just a somewhat loud minority in LEGO discussion circles. 
 

Do you have any statistics on that? Or did you just make it up?

[MAB]

9 hours ago, Sir Blew said:

Mediaeval fantasy is based on mediaeval legends and folklore from mediaeval times. It's mediaeval based regardless of how many wizards and dragons it has in it.

And it is medieval based fantasy regardless of how many women are in it, so what is your point?

8 hours ago, R0Sch said:

Here's the Studio file for anyone who wants to mod or rebrick it and just buy the classic minifigures from BL instead of wasting 250€.

You get other sets when you order them and get this GWP added.

[Sir Blew]

9 hours ago, Alexandrina said:

Fantasy uses medieval trappings and aesthetics but it's not inherently medieval (and in fact a lot of the popular fantasy isn't. Lord of the Rings takes a lot of its inspiration from pre-medieval sources; The Wheel of Time is on the cusp of industry and has fireworks and cannons; ASOIAF takes so many liberties with actual historical fact that you can't really call it medieval). And even with that being said, women as fighters is not an unknown thing in medieval folklore. For instance, you could argue that the "brown girl" in the local story of Fair Elinor is a fighter. Traditions of the hop-picking festival of 1800s Herefordshire indicate at least some tradition of women in the roles traditionally held by men.

The comment was regarding this Lego set and characters, not other fantasy stories or hop pickers. The set is undoubtedly mediaeval based, and the knight is undoubtedly historically a male role. The original set was non-gendered, but this one is. An alternate face or head would be such an easy way to please everyone at very little extra cost. 

After seeing the pictures and the minimum purchase price, I won't bother getting this set anyway. I just hope Lego listens to what their customers are asking for in future instead of imposing PC interpretations on everyone.

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Sir Blew
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[MAB]

6 minutes ago, Sir Blew said:

 

After seeing the pictures and the minimum purchase price, I won't bother getting this set anyway. I just hope Lego listens to what their customers are asking for in future instead of imposing PC interpretations on everyone.

 

That is what they are doing when they are increasing the ratio of female to male characters across a number of themes. They have the sales data to know if it is helping to shift more product.