RC High Performance Motorized LEGO PEUGEOT 9X8 Hybrid Hypercar brushless motor #42156

[zen-es]

In the past, Peugeot 508PSE as a high-performance flagship has attracted great attention from the global auto industry and consumers. This time it is naturally the turn of the 9X8 Hypercar to become the focus. The pinnacle of sci-fi and aerodynamic beauty, it's instantly recognizable.

Especially following the footsteps of electrified vehicles, using plug-in hybrid power mode, it maintains super power and battery life, and achieves good performance and low pollution.

ZENE conform to the way of electric vehicles, use brushless motors, cooperate with exclusive design alloy differentials, alloy wheels and transmissions, as well as high-performance batteries and remote controls at the level of aircraft models, and deeply customize this high-performance RC product of Lego Technic, Completely out of ordinary LEGO motors and other traditional mods
In this way, the problem of insufficient power is solved, and the experience of performance and control is solved. By using the hand-held remote control of model plane level, more adjustment parameters are adopted.

This has gone far beyond the way ordinary Power Functions are modified, and you can think of this as a brand new LEGO RC. For example, completely real drifting, racing-level acceleration, the average speed can reach more than 45km/h, and the top speed can exceed 60km/h.
Here I have to remind you that you need a gradually familiar operation process and a better High Speed runway environment in order to fully exert its performance. In addition, considering that what we love is LEGO, we maintain the fun and shape of LEGO building, just to inject new souls and pursue constant challenges and creativity.

During the design and testing process, we used brushless motors, ESCs, gun controllers, receivers, proportional servos, and solved the problems of RC modification:
0. LEGO's motors and power are too lightweight, we use a brushless motor with aeromodelling battery, super powerful

• The brushless motor cannot be directly connected to the Lego cross axis. We redesigned the alloy universal joint, etc., to solve the compatibility problem and increase the durability
• The speed is too high and the building blocks are severely worn. We redesigned the alloy differential, and through 3D printing, after iterating multiple versions, various problems of gears and vibrations have been solved, and durability and compatibility have also been enhanced.
• The rotation speed is too high, and the building block hub connector does not support it. In order to cooperate with the brushless motor, we have created a new alloy wheel hub, and it has the acceleration and braking capabilities closer to the racing car, and it has a cool shape
• Ground vibration, using customized shock absorption parts, etc., and more waiting for your exploration.

 

Not only that, we also designed a unique light for this product, the line can be connected to the RC power supply, avoiding additional lines and compatibility issues. We use columnar green LED lights for the headlights, and red brake lights for the rear of the car, which perfectly fit into the original light shape of the car body. We repeatedly tested and adjusted the voltage in terms of brightness.
It avoids the excessive brightness caused by traditional LED lights and distracts the guests. This exclusive light work is not sold separately, only created for our RC.

 

ZENE Super Motorized Kit for LEGO PEUGEOT Hybrid Hypercar #42156. An exclusive solution, exciting gift, featuring brushless motors:

• Top speed exceeds 60km/hr. Average speed can reach 40km/hr.
•  Special design lighting accessory included.
• After high speed, the structure remains stable and will not be affected.
• > 100 meters anti-interference.
• Latency < 1s
• Alloy wear < 0.1%
• Born for high speed and professionalism.

Complete your build with this must-have kit for a uniquely premium experience.
The high-speed brushless motor ensures maximum speed and professionally modified for optimal performance, advanced remote control, immersive operation this kit is the perfect choice for LEGO Technic fans.

Our Super Power Functions Kit includes:

• Step-step modification instructions in PDF format provided.
• Modified building block bag
• Metal shaft
• Aluminum alloy universal joint
• Bearing adapter
• RC metal differential
• RC 1/10 wheels
• RC small sleeve
• Planetary gearbox brushless motor
• Brushless ESC
• High-speed steering gear
• 1500mAh lithium battery
• Lithium battery charger
• Battery voltage display
• Remote control
• Lighting receiver
• Front headlights
• Michelin tire decal

Here, ZENE would like to thank our customers and friends who shared their great ideas and patient support. As well as our designers, especially when creating the differential, we strive for perfection, patiently modify and iterate, and pursue perfection step by step.

[Aerolight]

Been waiting for a system like this since duplo cant wait to see it in action. 

Just found the your YouTube, is this representative of the final product or still prototype. The motor seams comparable to a buggy motor on buwizz. 

[gyenesvi]

Although there are good sounding concepts in this post, from the badly translated marketing text it is hard to understand what the real potential is here. I understand that you are selling a motorization kit for this specific model, but a professional solution for lego is all about compatibility and buildability. So is this a system, or is this a one-off kit? I don't quite understand from the text if you claim to have solved all problems related to this model, or in general in a systematic sense, so can you please explain a bit more:

• What individual components are available in what form factors and sizes? For exmple the size / shape of the motor + planetary reduction is hardly visible on the image.
• Where is the steering servo, what is it like? How can it be used for other purposes, such as gear shifting?
• How can I build them into my models? What are the mounting points?
• What kind of drivetrains / suspension geometries are targeted?
• What are the sizes and connections of the metal joints and shafts?
• Are there differential frames in other form factors? This H frame is not useful for building floating axles, which covers most off-roaders in lego.
• Can parts be bought one by one? I am not interested in this one model, but I'd like to build my own ones.

And indeed, seeing it in action would be much more useful than the text. Also, links to actual products.

[zen-es]

52 minutes ago, Aerolight said:

Been waiting for a system like this since duplo cant wait to see it in action. 

Just found the your YouTube, is this representative of the final product or still prototype. The motor seams comparable to a buggy motor on buwizz. 

Thanks for your likes. This product has been completed. You can see the results of the operation in youtube:

 

[zen-es]

44 minutes ago, gyenesvi said:

Although there are good sounding concepts in this post, from the badly translated marketing text it is hard to understand what the real potential is here. I understand that you are selling a motorization kit for this specific model, but a professional solution for lego is all about compatibility and buildability. So is this a system, or is this a one-off kit? I don't quite understand from the text if you claim to have solved all problems related to this model, or in general in a systematic sense, so can you please explain a bit more:

• What individual components are available in what form factors and sizes? For exmple the size / shape of the motor + planetary reduction is hardly visible on the image.
• Where is the steering servo, what is it like? How can it be used for other purposes, such as gear shifting?
• How can I build them into my models? What are the mounting points?
• What kind of drivetrains / suspension geometries are targeted?
• What are the sizes and connections of the metal joints and shafts?
• Are there differential frames in other form factors? This H frame is not useful for building floating axles, which covers most off-roaders in lego.
• Can parts be bought one by one? I am not interested in this one model, but I'd like to build my own ones.

And indeed, seeing it in action would be much more useful than the text. Also, links to actual products.

Sorry to confuse you, it is true that some parts do promote some products. But I just want to share, so I didn't put the link of the product here.
You can see some content through our youtube video:

For example, the steering servo is this product, in fact, you can see part of it in the picture above. Thank you for your professional question, I will try to answer you.

[zen-es]

Here is the another for Power Functions Kit for LEGO Ferrari Daytona SP3 #42143 (High Performance): 

 

[FriedlS]

Looks very great! I got this differential and brushless motor. Both works great and fits perfect to the lego technic parts. I will come back here when my chassis is ready 😊

[aFrInaTi0n]

@zen-es Is the Differential with LEGO Axle inputs and outputs able to be ordered separately? Wrote you guys a request via your webform already.

[FriedlS]

19 hours ago, aFrInaTi0n said:

@zen-es Is the Differential with LEGO Axle inputs and outputs able to be ordered separately? Wrote you guys a request via your webform already.

You can order the differential separately:

https://www.zenelego.com/collections/technics-rc/products/lego-rc-metal-differential
 

 

[aFrInaTi0n]

@FriedlS got in touch with em and placed an order for 2x the square frame diff alone without further gimmicks - but with outputs with lego axles as it is a valid option - hopefully I explained my needs well enough :D

From the picture of the single diff product it seems to have "non-LEGO"/ RC outputs -> that is my confusion, as I would like to have this product with LEGO compatible outputs..

Edited September 18, 2023 by aFrInaTi0n

[gyenesvi]

2 hours ago, aFrInaTi0n said:

@FriedlS got in touch with em and placed an order for 2x the square frame diff alone without further gimmicks - but with outputs with lego axles as it is a valid option - hopefully I explained my needs well enough :D

From the picture of the single diff product it seems to have "non-LEGO"/ RC outputs -> that is my confusion, as I would like to have this product with LEGO compatible outputs..

I guess you mean the one on this picture, but in a standalone package.

https://www.zenelego.com/collections/technics-rc/products/power-functions-rc-accessories-compatible-lego-technic-plus-rc-motor-set-1

That could be useful, and also the other parts in the package sound interesting, but it is strange that for the package, there are no images of the other components. I'd be interested, but for 100+ Euros, I'd expect to see what I am buying.. For example, does the motor have a housing to attach it to lego parts? And, no clue what a "bearing drive axle" means, any ideas? Is that a wheel hub? The package does not seem to have one otherwise. Also, if I want components for an AWD car, I'd need to double up some components (like the diff), but not the motor and the ESC.. This could be good but needs quite some improvement on the marketing / sales side..

[glowytheglowbug]

On 6/20/2023 at 8:07 PM, zen-es said:

 

Here, ZENE would like to thank our customers and friends who shared their great ideas and patient support. As well as our designers, especially when creating the differential, we strive for perfection, patiently modify and iterate, and pursue perfection step by step.

damn that's really impressive good job! 

[FriedlS]

21 hours ago, aFrInaTi0n said:

@FriedlS got in touch with em and placed an order for 2x the square frame diff alone without further gimmicks - but with outputs with lego axles as it is a valid option - hopefully I explained my needs well enough :D

From the picture of the single diff product it seems to have "non-LEGO"/ RC outputs -> that is my confusion, as I would like to have this product with LEGO compatible outputs..

In my order there were two versions with different outputs and both are compatible to LEGO technic:

 

 

[TexasEngineer454]

Just curious, what's the gear ratio for this style of differential? 

Based on the size and shape I have to assume it's geared up (small gear on input axle to larger gear on drive axle). 

[gyenesvi]

3 hours ago, TexasEngineer454 said:

Just curious, what's the gear ratio for this style of differential? 

Based on the size and shape I have to assume it's geared up (small gear on input axle to larger gear on drive axle). 

Why would it be geared up? Small gear on input, larger gear on output means gearing down. It's like all lego differentials.

5 hours ago, FriedlS said:

In my order there were two versions with different outputs and both are compatible to LEGO technic:

That looks neat. Does the U-joint have lego axle hole on one end? And the diff when used without the U-joint? Or do they accept metal (hex) axles?

How deep does the U-joint go in the input end of the diff? How far out will be the flex point?

[FriedlS]

19 hours ago, gyenesvi said:

Why would it be geared up? Small gear on input, larger gear on output means gearing down. It's like all lego differentials.

That looks neat. Does the U-joint have lego axle hole on one end? And the diff when used without the U-joint? Or do they accept metal (hex) axles?

How deep does the U-joint go in the input end of the diff? How far out will be the flex point?

Yes this U-joint hast got a lego axle hole on both sides like the metal U-joint from CaDa.

The U-joint is similar to the Metal U-Joints from CaDa. So there is one stud length in the input of the differential. The flex point is directly next to the diff outside.

[TexasEngineer454]

20 hours ago, gyenesvi said:

Why would it be geared up? Small gear on input, larger gear on output means gearing down. It's like all lego differentials.

I assumed it was geared "UP" but maybe I'm mis-understanding how we explain UP versus Down when discussing geared differentials. 

Either way, I'm still very curious what the gear ratio is for this piece. 

[Krxlion]

1 hour ago, TexasEngineer454 said:

I assumed it was geared "UP" but maybe I'm mis-understanding how we explain UP versus Down when discussing geared differentials. 

Either way, I'm still very curious what the gear ratio is for this piece. 

What is show here is actually opposite. Going from smaller gear to bigger one is gearing down. The first gear ratio is actually 3:1, not 1:3. You need to turn 3 times driving gear to achieve 1 turn in following gear. Hope that clarifies this topic. ;)

[gyenesvi]

3 hours ago, FriedlS said:

The flex point is directly next to the diff outside.

Thanks for the info! Is that also true for the input side of the diff? For that, the shiny metal piece on the input side would need to be possible to be taken out and replaced by the U-joint, as it seems to be the case on the putput size. Is it like that?

 

2 hours ago, TexasEngineer454 said:

I assumed it was geared "UP" but maybe I'm mis-understanding how we explain UP versus Down when discussing geared differentials.

Well I also use those words differently. Gearing up is when the speed goes up for me.

[aFrInaTi0n]

Thanks @FriedlS for the nice pictures! 👌🏻

 

so I hope I those also will be included in the diff-alone product. Bear with me - the package was sent already from mainland china.. 🙃

Edited September 21, 2023 by aFrInaTi0n

[FriedlS]

On 9/21/2023 at 2:53 PM, aFrInaTi0n said:

Thanks @FriedlS for the nice pictures! 👌🏻

 

so I hope I those also will be included in the diff-alone product. Bear with me - the package was sent already from mainland china.. 🙃

I keep my fingers crossed that your package will include everything you want 😊

Btw., here is a short clip of these parts in action:

 

[gyenesvi]

3 hours ago, FriedlS said:

Btw., here is a short clip of these parts in action.

Looks powerful!

I have been wondering how the motor is fixed to lego parts? Does it have attachment points in the front only? What kind of? Is that enough?

Another thing I have been wondering is whether the system is best to be used safely (that is, avoiding any melting and axle twisting) by only running metal axles through liftarms with ball-bearing and O/H frames, and also connecting with meatal U-joints. But I see you use them more liberally, even included gearing. I'd been thinking what drivetrains would be possible through 'safe' operation. I'd like to use such a system for 4x4 cars and those would definitely require some gearing to allow directing the motor output in two directions. Wonder if it is possible with using only metal / beared components everywhere? And if you violate that 'safety' rule (run axles through non-beared liftarms for example), how fast you get to pay for it.. For example, did your plastic gears suffer?

[Krxlion]

1 hour ago, gyenesvi said:

Looks powerful!

I have been wondering how the motor is fixed to lego parts? Does it have attachment points in the front only? What kind of? Is that enough?

Another thing I have been wondering is whether the system is best to be used safely (that is, avoiding any melting and axle twisting) by only running metal axles through liftarms with ball-bearing and O/H frames, and also connecting with meatal U-joints. But I see you use them more liberally, even included gearing. I'd been thinking what drivetrains would be possible through 'safe' operation. I'd like to use such a system for 4x4 cars and those would definitely require some gearing to allow directing the motor output in two directions. Wonder if it is possible with using only metal / beared components everywhere? And if you violate that 'safety' rule (run axles through non-beared liftarms for example), how fast you get to pay for it.. For example, did your plastic gears suffer?

Based on my knowledge, motors usually have 16mm and 19mm mounting screw points (to attach motor to "body" of the model and we use the first ones as one stud is ~8mm). The gearing is only 3:1, which for 4000kv motor is pretty low for me. What is kv value? It represents revs/turns per provided voltage. In the setup it may be 11.1V or 7.4V, which means from 29600 to 44400 turns per minute, which is HUGE. Of course it is then downgraded 3x times, but for Lego it is still huge value. In the initial topic input we can see that this BM is also having planetary reduction just so Lego can witstand the power and probably for building torque and being able to control the throttle more precisely.

[FriedlS]

8 hours ago, Krxlion said:

Based on my knowledge, motors usually have 16mm and 19mm mounting screw points (to attach motor to "body" of the model and we use the first ones as one stud is ~8mm). The gearing is only 3:1, which for 4000kv motor is pretty low for me. What is kv value? It represents revs/turns per provided voltage. In the setup it may be 11.1V or 7.4V, which means from 29600 to 44400 turns per minute, which is HUGE. Of course it is then downgraded 3x times, but for Lego it is still huge value. In the initial topic input we can see that this BM is also having planetary reduction just so Lego can witstand the power and probably for building torque and being able to control the throttle more precisely.

You are right with the mounting of the motor and that works very well.

This motor is a 3600kv motor and the gear ratio is 0,2 ( 12:20 and 8:24) and i use only 7.4V. Unfortunately i don’t know the gear ratio of the differential. 
 

[gyenesvi]

12 hours ago, Krxlion said:

Based on my knowledge, motors usually have 16mm and 19mm mounting screw points (to attach motor to "body" of the model and we use the first ones as one stud is ~8mm). The gearing is only 3:1, which for 4000kv motor is pretty low for me. What is kv value? It represents revs/turns per provided voltage. In the setup it may be 11.1V or 7.4V, which means from 29600 to 44400 turns per minute, which is HUGE. Of course it is then downgraded 3x times, but for Lego it is still huge value. In the initial topic input we can see that this BM is also having planetary reduction just so Lego can witstand the power and probably for building torque and being able to control the throttle more precisely.

Okay, I have heard about motors that have screw points at 16mm distance, so do you simply screw them into the pinhole then?

About the kv rating, I understand that, but is the 3:1 gearing that you mention inside the motor? There's one thing though I don't understand about kv rating and maybe you can help; I see sometimes that the same motor (same brand, same size) is available with different kv ratings. I get that the one with a bigger kv rating will be faster. But does that mean that it will also be weaker in terms of torque? In other words, does the one with the lower kv rating have more torque while being slower? Or is the lower one simply slower at the same torque (so less power overall)? I'd be interested in slower but more powerful motors for off-roaders.

Ad one more thing: do you guys have some tricks to mount batteries to lego parts, or do you just throw them onto the frame somewhere? I have seen somebody attaching them to 5x7 frames or something like that..