42159 Yamaha MT-10 SP

[brunojj1]

16 hours ago, allanp said:

All I can say is that I am so happy with their new parts and so glad to see them in the lineup. They work so well with low friction and in a more authentic way than ever, and it makes me rather excited for the next 1:8 scale supercar! Maybe there will be more gear sizes? Maybe it'll be a stick shift? Whatever it is, it'll be a step up!

I am excited too, but I have doubts about the use of the light blue piece. It´s not versatile at all, it fits only into this particular motorbike application. They will rather make something else, respectively change the sequence and/ or combine the sequence with the orange rotary catch to achieve an 8+N or such.

22 minutes ago, allanp said:

However I think there should be a fix for that, and I would like to try to hide an ungeared 9V motor in there somewhere to make it an even more playable model even when it's stationary on its display stand. 

And I have big doubts about the usability in heavy duty appications, but that´s another story, let them leave the crumbs for the poor dogs . 

5 minutes ago, astyanax said:

I love your positivity, it's contagious!  Still I'm puzzled that no-one has yet demonstrated a new compact 8-speed supercar gearbox and shifter... Usually this community is ridiculously fast with these things... 

It´s not possible to do with this boring sequence. I have a dream which I´ll rather tell you in secret. Cheers buddy !

[lcvisser]

26 minutes ago, brunojj1 said:

I am excited too, but I have doubts about the use of the light blue piece. It´s not versatile at all,

As it engages with a towball, I’m seeing possible applications for GBC and kinetic sculptures. Don’t underestimate people’s creativity. 

[allanp]

46 minutes ago, brunojj1 said:

I am excited too, but I have doubts about the use of the light blue piece. It´s not versatile at all, it fits only into this particular motorbike application. They will rather make something else, respectively change the sequence and/ or combine the sequence with the orange rotary catch to achieve an 8+N or such.

And I have big doubts about the usability in heavy duty appications, but that´s another story, let them leave the crumbs for the poor dogs . 

It´s not possible to do with this boring sequence. I have a dream which I´ll rather tell you in secret. Cheers buddy !

53 minutes ago, astyanax said:

I love your positivity, it's contagious!  Still I'm puzzled that no-one has yet demonstrated a new compact 8-speed supercar gearbox and shifter... Usually this community is ridiculously fast with these things... 

If by compact you mean using these new parts there isn't enough gear sizes.....yet. 

46 minutes ago, brunojj1 said:

I am excited too, but I have doubts about the use of the light blue piece. It´s not versatile at all, it fits only into this particular motorbike application. They will rather make something else, respectively change the sequence and/ or combine the sequence with the orange rotary catch to achieve an 8+N or such.

And I have big doubts about the usability in heavy duty appications, but that´s another story, let them leave the crumbs for the poor dogs . 

It´s not possible to do with this boring sequence. I have a dream which I´ll rather tell you in secret. Cheers buddy !

The light blue piece engages with a tow ball, so you can move anything if you put a tow ball on it. Likewise the orange shift fork can be moved by anything with a pin. And it should be fine for heavy duty applications IF you use it in a high speed, low torque situation and gear down afterwards. The low friction of the gearbox should allow that without too many losses. Now if only we had a high speed motor 

[CP5670]

I probably won't get this set, but love the new transmission parts and will definitely grab them on Bricklink.

[Daan1234]

Those who have built this set, do you experience any problems with the transmission? I find mine is very susceptible to deformation.

I am in the process of building right now. When I push the red beam which is located on the gear selector axis with the blue drums, the transmissions runs noticeably rough. Sometimes even to the point it completely locks up. After I put the engine/trans module into the frame, I find just lightly pressing on the gas tank area makes the transmission run very rough to the point I break the chain by just pulling it.

Mechanically it works fine though.

Either I made a mistake during building or the trans is just not stiff enough at all.

[gyenesvi]

5 hours ago, Daan1234 said:

Either I made a mistake during building or the trans is just not stiff enough at all.

Or you just haven't finished the build and it's not framed properly yet. I'd be curious to hear how it is when it's finished.

[allanp]

5 hours ago, Daan1234 said:

Those who have built this set, do you experience any problems with the transmission? I find mine is very susceptible to deformation.

I am in the process of building right now. When I push the red beam which is located on the gear selector axis with the blue drums, the transmissions runs noticeably rough. Sometimes even to the point it completely locks up. After I put the engine/trans module into the frame, I find just lightly pressing on the gas tank area makes the transmission run very rough to the point I break the chain by just pulling it.

Mechanically it works fine though.

Either I made a mistake during building or the trans is just not stiff enough at all.

Mine wasn't like that, it ran smooth and free before going into the frame of the bike.

[JunkstyleGio]

In the end, all will work fine!

The red liftarm is probably the problem. (And will be delt  with in further steps!

[fred-eric]

On 9/11/2023 at 10:40 AM, Daan1234 said:

Those who have built this set, do you experience any problems with the transmission? I find mine is very susceptible to deformation.

I am in the process of building right now. When I push the red beam which is located on the gear selector axis with the blue drums, the transmissions runs noticeably rough. Sometimes even to the point it completely locks up. After I put the engine/trans module into the frame, I find just lightly pressing on the gas tank area makes the transmission run very rough to the point I break the chain by just pulling it.

Mechanically it works fine though.

Either I made a mistake during building or the trans is just not stiff enough at all.

Bonjour,

I had problems the first time I build the set. as I had one blue pin/axle left I rebuilt it from scratch without any problem this time.

 

 

[Daan1234]

On 9/11/2023 at 3:53 PM, gyenesvi said:

Or you just haven't finished the build and it's not framed properly yet. I'd be curious to hear how it is when it's finished.

You are probably right. I am almost finished (bike is on its wheels). It looks beautiful already. Everything runs smooth when I ride the thing across the table, in all gears. When I put it on the black stand and press on the tank and turn the rear wheel it runs rough. I guess you aren't meant to play with it when it is on the center stand, which makes some sense. Can you guys try rotating the wheel while pressing lightly on the tank area whilst the bike is on the stand? I'm curious if you experience the same.

[williamyzfr1]

I recently had doubts about the gearbox despite double checking and its true the red beam solves all at the very end of the next bags of parts. However despite fixing 99% of the problems I now find its hard to shift from third back to second although it moves fine if I assist by attempting to rotate the  the selector drum with my thumb. All other shifts work fine. Obviously I can't do this now the build is finished due to fitting fairing parts.

[Daan1234]

1 hour ago, williamyzfr1 said:

I recently had doubts about the gearbox despite double checking and its true the red beam solves all at the very end of the next bags of parts. However despite fixing 99% of the problems I now find its hard to shift from third back to second although it moves fine if I assist by attempting to rotate the  the selector drum with my thumb. All other shifts work fine. Obviously I can't do this now the build is finished due to fitting fairing parts.

Maybe the red gear indicator at the right side of the bike (though hidden by body panels) is getting stuck behind part of the frame. This only happens between 2nd and 3rd gear.

[williamyzfr1]

On 9/15/2023 at 10:24 PM, Daan1234 said:

Maybe the red gear indicator at the right side of the bike (though hidden by body panels) is getting stuck behind part of the frame. This only happens between 2nd and 3rd gear.

It doesn't get stuck for any other gear change so I don't think it would change for 3rd back to 2nd but thanks for the reply.

UPDATE: Strangely 24 hours later ALL the gearchanges are performing perfectly ????

Edited September 16, 2023 by williamyzfr1

[Mr Jos]

On 9/15/2023 at 11:41 PM, williamyzfr1 said:

It doesn't get stuck for any other gear change so I don't think it would change for 3rd back to 2nd but thanks for the reply.

UPDATE: Strangely 24 hours later ALL the gearchanges are performing perfectly ????

All engines have some run-in time. Best to keep it calm the first 500, then go crazy with the shifts. "But those upshifts are unacceptable, what a joke!"

Anyway, hoping to see some people come up with some great gearboxes using these new parts. Haven't seen some yet, or they are building them directly into a car (to have high enough piece count to ask money for the design)

[dustblue]

New parts are fun, however those can not handle high power situations, problem on the orange hook being too soft and driving ring tooth being too shalow. Detailed here: 

 

[2GodBDGlory]

I'm definitely looking forward to trying these parts out, but I think like a lot of people, I'm not willing to buy the whole set, especially since I'd really need two copies to build larger gearboxes, and strangely it seems that only two copies have been parted out on Bricklink (last I checked), and all the gearbox parts were bought up! Until they're available on pick a brick, or more people part out sets, I think a lot of us will just keep waiting

[Krxlion]

We will probably need to wait like with the heavy-duty differential, which was first available only in Lego Ferrari Daytona set and then almost in every car. The only thing with gearbox parts is that they I would assume need bigger things in order to be included in sets.

[dustblue]

1 hour ago, 2GodBDGlory said:

I'm definitely looking forward to trying these parts out, but I think like a lot of people, I'm not willing to buy the whole set, especially since I'd really need two copies to build larger gearboxes, and strangely it seems that only two copies have been parted out on Bricklink (last I checked), and all the gearbox parts were bought up! Until they're available on pick a brick, or more people part out sets, I think a lot of us will just keep waiting

the set is definately fun(mostly the new parts). but does it worth it? no. it even contains no motors. and since new parts CAN NOT handle high power situation, how you can use them in your mocs is very limited.

[2GodBDGlory]

2 hours ago, dustblue said:

the set is definately fun(mostly the new parts). but does it worth it? no. it even contains no motors. and since new parts CAN NOT handle high power situation, how you can use them in your mocs is very limited.

That's quite disappointing to hear that they don't handle torque any better than their predecessors! That was one of the main things I was hoping this system would improve

[dustblue]

9 minutes ago, 2GodBDGlory said:

That's quite disappointing to hear that they don't handle torque any better than their predecessors! That was one of the main things I was hoping this system would improve

I think they are actually worse than the old parts in handling power. They are better at controlling multiple speeds, using only one input to shift many speeds, like make a 8 speed gear box very simple and small. but that's it, nothing more. We can't blame lego for it, no official set use big power, those sets are mostly for display of functions, not for real play. Till today lego only has plastic axles and universal joints, those are jokes in high power situation.

[allanp]

3 minutes ago, dustblue said:

I think they are actually worse than the old parts in handling power. They are better at controlling multiple speeds, using only one input to shift many speeds, like make a 8 speed gear box very simple and small. but that's it, nothing more. We can't blame lego for it, no official set use big power, those sets are mostly for display of functions, not for real play. Till today lego only has plastic axles and universal joints, those are jokes in high power situation.

To be fair, your test used 4 buggy motors which is quite a lot if power, probably more than is ever intended for a Lego model. You also used a 28t diff which might not be good for the overall stability/rigidity of the gearbox. I think where these new gearbox pieces really shine is in their increased realism and much lower friction, meaning you can transmit more of the motors available power to the wheels without much power loss due to friction in the gearbox. So you might not need quite as much of a powerful motor, as it's power can be used more efficiently. 

[dustblue]

6 minutes ago, allanp said:

To be fair, your test used 4 buggy motors which is quite a lot if power, probably more than is ever intended for a Lego model. You also used a 28t diff which might not be good for the overall stability/rigidity of the gearbox. I think where these new gearbox pieces really shine is in their increased realism and much lower friction, meaning you can transmit more of the motors available power to the wheels without much power loss due to friction in the gearbox. So you might not need quite as much of a powerful motor, as it's power can be used more efficiently. 

Agreed.

It's mostly my personal taste, I like roaring big power. To achieve this in lego, I have to think of many different ways and conquer different problems, for me that's the fun part.  

[gyenesvi]

8 hours ago, dustblue said:

New parts are fun, however those can not handle high power situations, problem on the orange hook being too soft and driving ring tooth being too shalow.

Have you tried controlling the 2L driving ring with the orange wave selector (in case of a 2-speed gearbox)? First, I'd like to know whether they are compatible, second, that's what I'd use in an RC build, since that cannot bend like the orange hook, and it does not let the driving ring teeth pop out, at least in case of the 3L driving ring it worked reliably for me (though was not pushing it with 4 buggy motors).

[2GodBDGlory]

1 hour ago, gyenesvi said:

Have you tried controlling the 2L driving ring with the orange wave selector (in case of a 2-speed gearbox)? First, I'd like to know whether they are compatible, second, that's what I'd use in an RC build, since that cannot bend like the orange hook, and it does not let the driving ring teeth pop out, at least in case of the 3L driving ring it worked reliably for me (though was not pushing it with 4 buggy motors).

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering too. It seems quite a bit more compact, and if it holds more or equally securely, it would be a good option in many cases

2 hours ago, dustblue said:

I think they are actually worse than the old parts in handling power. They are better at controlling multiple speeds, using only one input to shift many speeds, like make a 8 speed gear box very simple and small. but that's it, nothing more. We can't blame lego for it, no official set use big power, those sets are mostly for display of functions, not for real play. Till today lego only has plastic axles and universal joints, those are jokes in high power situation.

I suppose the fork pieces could be used with something like a linear actuator to get potentially a more secure fit, or would that not work very well?

[dustblue]

1 hour ago, gyenesvi said:

Have you tried controlling the 2L driving ring with the orange wave selector (in case of a 2-speed gearbox)? First, I'd like to know whether they are compatible, second, that's what I'd use in an RC build, since that cannot bend like the orange hook, and it does not let the driving ring teeth pop out, at least in case of the 3L driving ring it worked reliably for me (though was not pushing it with 4 buggy motors).

No I don't think they are compatible, the groove on 3 L ring is deeper. use 2 L new ring with wave selector would make them much more easier to detach from each other.(old 3L ring is already easy to detach from the wave selector if the build is not sturdy enough)

3 minutes ago, 2GodBDGlory said:

 

I suppose the fork pieces could be used with something like a linear actuator to get potentially a more secure fit, or would that not work very well?

I don't think so. Problem is the hook itself is too soft too thin, the blue part is not the problem.