Clonie Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 I can understand them not allowing clear pics... slightly... But getting rid of fan art? Wow.
---Vertea--- Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 Hm... it seems my post was edited...EDIT: Not by me it wasn't. Must be a filter in here to kill the words a.s.s.-kicking or something. Weird. -JINZO Oh, I know- I meant the filter did. I ain't angry or anything.
S-N Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 Hey Greg, I was wondering if you could answer a quick question. smile.gif1) If Ignika does sacrifice his body to awake Mata Nui, could he remake it afterwards? Thanks Greg! smile.gif If he had the right source materials, yes
iLego94 Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 I can understand them not allowing clear pics... slightly...But getting rid of fan art? Wow. Well, I think they know that the fan art was based off of the clear pics, which were leaked. The problem is some people would just draw a set from the clear pics, and post that, to get around the fact that the clear pics were leaked. ~iLego94
Ikki o' Moopyville Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 - Exclusive storyline tibits (Mata Nui's death, the exerpt from Bionicle legends 11, and others) That tidbit completely ruined 2007 and all the suspense built up. Just like Greg did AGAIN this year when he said "Rest assured, no Nuva will die!" Really, come on. That's like telling us who survives at the end of Deathly Hallows or some stuff. -Ikk
Zarkan Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 That tidbit completely ruined 2007 and all the suspense built up. Just like Greg did AGAIN this year when he said "Rest assured, no Nuva will die!"Really, come on. That's like telling us who survives at the end of Deathly Hallows or some stuff. -Ikk .... Okay, let me get this straight. Spoilers from other members are GOOD, but spoilers from GREG HIMSELF are BAD. I mean, you haven't given a single negative hoot about the music video or the end of Bionicle legends 11, and yet you hate it when greg reveals major things like that. Sorry, but that really sounds like a double standard.
Ikki o' Moopyville Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) Bit of a good point Let me explain. A story needs suspense, and there is one way to create that: by putting the lives of the characters in danger. If you know that they may fail and die, you wait anxiously to find out their fate. Though you expect them to win, you never know who is gonna get killed along the way, and that's what keeps you hooked. Once you have declared all main good guys out of the danger zone, you lose that feeling of excitement. You know that no matter what happens, the heroes will come out safe and clean, and that no sacrifice will ever cost them much. The only thing that saved this year was the Reign of Darkness and the demise the Makuta, but even so, we knew that wouldn't be all too bad for our heroes. 'cause their fate had already been revealed. No other story twist, no secrets revealed prematurely, will ever remove the suspense from a story in the same way. Think about it -- we learned three things ahead of time this year: -- That Mata Nui was the universe and that he would awaken -- That Mata Nui's spirit would wind up in a new body in a new universe (or so it seemed most likely to happen) -- That Ignika would sacrifice itself However, none of that has any bearing on the core story -- the quest of the Nuva. How will they awaken Mata Nui? What lengths will they have to go in order to do so? What about Takanuva's destiny? Will any of the heroes make it out of Karda Nui alive, and in time? What about the Matoran? And so on. 2007's early announcement that Mata Nui would die was not so bad as this, because it still managed to create the suspense of how the Toa would handle that. Fact remains, though, that Matoro's death would have been far more of a shocker if we hadn't known what would happen to Mata Nui and when. This year, even though The Makuta's victory hung like a silent promise, we knew the Nuva would not be harmed by it. We also knew that Takanuva would survive, and Ignika was not a character we had much acquaintance with. Nor were any of the Matoran. So no matter how many storyline secrets are spoiled early on in a year, only the revelation of the main characters' fates will truly ruin the story. That simply kills a story. We could have known about Horcruxes and Hallows before the first Harry Potter book ever was released, and we would have STILL waited with ever fiber of our being to find out what would actually happen to Harry and the gang. Greg took away all excitement about Bionicle just as we were headed for the grand conclusion. THAT, IMO, conclusively marks him a bad writer. -Ikk Edited September 30, 2008 by Ikki o' Moopyville
Antrozek Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 Bit of a good point Let me explain.Greg took away all excitement about Bionicle just as we were headed for the grand conclusion. THAT, IMO, conclusively marks him a bad writer. -Ikk man, i can sayonly a thing, greg was megabluck-ing out of ideas, he needed to finish this megablocking year cuz' he need to writte the megabluck-ing script SCRIPT OF THE MOVIE THAT ALL YOU'RE WAITNIG FOR SEE DANMIT!!! HE WAS OUR megabluck-ING FAVOURITE BIONICLE WRITTER FOR THOSE LONG 7 YEARS AND ONLY BECAUSE THIS YEAR ENDS WITHOUT SO MANY EXCITAMENT YO THINK THAT HE ES A BAD WRITTER??!! seryously, i think that the next year, will be goy very much more excitament that other years before, he can't give us now a excited ending, but he will give us..A FU-CKING NEW AND FULLY EXCITIMANET ADVENTURE
Ikki o' Moopyville Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 Whoa, easy on the anger XD When did I ever say Greg was my favorite writer? I've had issues with him since 2006. He makes alot of brilliant stories, but he also makes a lot of excruciatingly bad moves. Making this year more exciting could have been done with the blink of an eye. -Ikk
Hydrobius Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 man, i can sayonly a thing, greg was megabluck-ing out of ideas, he needed to finish this megablocking year cuz' he need to writte the megabluck-ing script SCRIPT OF THE MOVIE THAT ALL YOU'RE WAITNIG FOR SEE DANMIT!!! HE WAS OUR megabluck-ING FAVOURITE BIONICLE WRITTER FOR THOSE LONG 7 YEARS AND ONLY BECAUSE THIS YEAR ENDS WITHOUT SO MANY EXCITAMENT YO THINK THAT HE ES A BAD WRITTER??!!seryously, i think that the next year, will be goy very much more excitament that other years before, he can't give us now a excited ending, but he will give us..A FU-CKING NEW AND FULLY EXCITIMANET ADVENTURE Dude... not nececarry. I'm OK with swearing, but you don't need to drop F-bombs every other word to make a point. Just makes you look immature; and I'm sure no body wants to be looked at that way. ANYWAYS =P Yeah, it would have been nice if he hadn't told all of the whining members that kept asking him "OO-OO, GREG, I NEED TO KNOW IF DA NUVA WILL DIE AND STUFFS"... like Ikki said; took a way a lot of suspense. I, myself, actually thought (hoped XD) they were going to kill off one of the Nuva... if I had still thought that when I got BL11, it would have been that much more enjoyable of a read for me. Personally, even though Teridax just proved himself (once again) to be the most harcore, badass villan we know... I would have liked it if there was a bit more suffering and death on the Nuva's part. I know they have to make this appealing to 8-year olds and stuff, but... even though they did it last year with Matoro, I still think they could have pulled it off somehow. I just see it as, if they are putting that much on the line, and there are quotes from all three books stating that "The toa knew this may be there last fight" and such, they should have at least followed through with it and killed one, either having one of the Makuta accidentily go overboard *coughIcaraxcough*, etc. Although, now that I think of it, I can only imagine the reaction the majority of the fanbase would have. XD To Ikki's point: I think his 'bad moves' are really just how his job works. He, unfortunatly, had guidlines he has to cling to and a younger audiance he has to please, and a really cocky fanbase in some places - that's not to say he doen't make bad choices on his own occasionaly (=P), but... But that's just my two cents on the whole thing. I'm morbid that way anyways, so don't mind me ranting and raving...
S-N Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) Whoa, easy on the anger XDWhen did I ever say Greg was my favorite writer? I've had issues with him since 2006. He makes alot of brilliant stories, but he also makes a lot of excruciatingly bad moves. Making this year more exciting could have been done with the blink of an eye. -Ikk But then again, Greg revealed that because too many people were bitching that if the Toa Nuva would die, BIONICLE WOULD BE RUINED. Also, Greg never revealed nothing about MN=MU, the leaked vid in Amazon pretty much started that theory. Edited September 30, 2008 by S-N
Antrozek Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 Whoa, easy on the anger XDWhen did I ever say Greg was my favorite writer? I've had issues with him since 2006. He makes alot of brilliant stories, but he also makes a lot of excruciatingly bad moves. Making this year more exciting could have been done with the blink of an eye. -Ikk i had never refered to you, i refered to many people that like Greg work in Bionicle
JINZONINGEN73 Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 I know Greg is subject to what Lego will and will not let him say, but yeah, if there's a selling point of "OOOOOH BOY by golly this is gonna' be a big fight and WHO KNOWS what might happen!" ...You don't come out and say, "None of the Nuva die!" Even if Lego told him that knowledge was okay to give out, he really shouldn't have. What if every time you watched an action movie, you knew who was still standing at the end? That sucks. That alone doesn't make him a "bad" writer though. Just one that gave in to the pressure of bedwetting imps gnawing on his poor legs.
~Wrack'n'Ruin~ Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 What if every time you watched an action movie, you knew who was still standing at the end? That sucks. It actually affects me, I hate endings when people die. I'm a softie like that =P
Wrinkledlion X Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 I didn't mind when he said that, because I was already certain they'd survive.
Zarkan Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 A lot of interesting comments about this issue have been made, and I actually agree with a lot of it. HOWEVER, I think it's wrong to put the blame on Greg, because IMO, this is obviously not his fault. The reality is, Bionicle is a kids toy. Technically, basically none of us here should even be playing with bionicle anymore, as we're far beyond the normal age group that buys these toys. I've seen so much complaining about how the storyline is awful, characters are bland and cliche, etc. But honestly, Bionicle's storyline is extremely complex considering what age they are aiming the toys at. All the interconnecting plotlines, a huge amount of characters and locations, and many other things make the Bionicle universe a huge one. To me, it's suprising how sofisticated Bionicle is compared to a lot of the other American kiddy toys and their "storylines." Bionicle, in both storyline and kits, honestly is unlike anything on the market. But let me get back to my point: Bionicle is a kids toy, so it's inevitable that the plotline doesn't kill off a ton of major characters. Killing off all six of the Nuva most certainly would have been bad for Bionicle, so there was no reason to suspect that they would do it. In fact, it's incredibly suprising that Makuta actually won - most people thought that it was inevitable that the Toa would win, because that would be a logical move for a toy's storyline conclusion. I think the reason that Greg revealed those things is probably somewhat along what Hydrobius said - Greg has a job, and often he may be forced to make choices that may anger us, since TLC believes that they will be well recieved with the main fanbase. Sure, he will make some mistakes on his own - everyone does - but we can't assume that these things are all his fault. Whatever the case, we just need to be glad that TLC isn't treating Bionicle like most of their other lego lines - lines that have incredible simple and cheesy storylines. Look at Mars Mission, Knights Kingdom, Alpha Team, Exo-Force, and now Power Miners. Bionicle surpasses those by miles, and it's something we need to appreciate. I'm not saying that we have to like everything, just that we have to be more positive about things, instead of complaining constantly. It always helps to look on the bright side.
Can Calyx Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 The reason he revealed the Nuva wouldn't die is because it wasn't part of this year's big twist at all. In fact, saying the Nuva survive leads most people to infer that they win- which is not the case.
Ulrich Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 I just have to let out my comments on the 09 sets. HOLY. CRAP. ALL of them, except for Strakk, are AWESOME. Strakk? IMO, he looks terrible. The color scheme is off, and he look to much like a Galidor set. Plus, I can tell his upper arm armor will be terrible with posability. I am very dissapointed, however, that the small sets AGAIN use Avtoran bodies. But hey, at least some of them use newly colored ones, such as that blue one (too lazy to check the names right now :P). It also has a Blue Tahu Olda sword. WIN. WIN, WIN, AND WIN. The titans look pretty cool as well... I think I see some Red Kopaka Phantoka blades on the Dragon-thing- I sure as hell hope so, because that way I can finish my Krabe MOC. .So far, my favorite one of the bunch is that Tan Small set. It looks like a cat. :DReturn of Tan pieces FTW[/b][/color]
~Wrack'n'Ruin~ Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 ....Rho? EDIT: Irrelevant. I'm not even going to search IPs either. Technically, if true, it's insta-ban. But really, if someone gets their act together before returning... ...then I personally don't give a crap. -JINZO
Clonie Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 The reason he revealed the Nuva wouldn't die is because it wasn't part of this year's big twist at all. In fact, saying the Nuva survive leads most people to infer that they win- which is not the case. This post.
S-N Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 This post. Also, he revealed that to make people wonder: What would be shocking ending when the main heroes don't die?
Ulrich Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Here's something to discuss. What will the 'huge' sets be in '09? Vehicles again? Personally, I hope not. Giant figures and Rahi would be MUCH better. They could sell Mata Nui as the $80 set, and LEGO would be swimming in money. ..As long as he didn't suck. IMO, the perfect Mata Nui set would be a HUGE White and Gold figure, about three feet tall, with a larger Hau, and of course, a nice staff. Then they could have a Big Rahi and a Toa rider for the $50 one, and maybe another Rahi+Toa or some sort of big weaponry thing for the $30 one. Hell, I might have already figured out LEGO's Summer 2009 Large Sets. xD But yeah, It'll be interesting to see what new pieces the Summer 09 sets bring. [iS HOPING FOR MORE PRIDAK FEET]
~Wrack'n'Ruin~ Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 What will the 'huge' sets be in '09? Vehicles again? Personally, I hope not. Giant figures and Rahi would be MUCH better. No. Mecha. that come with toa-like drone figures and can be driven by Canister sets.
Pencoin Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Everyone has lost the plot. But then again, Greg revealed that because too many people were bitching that if the Toa Nuva would die, BIONICLE WOULD BE RUINED.Also, Greg never revealed nothing about MN=MU, the leaked vid in Amazon pretty much started that theory. Nope, I had the theroy before then. Some areas on Mata-nui (island) were maori for facial features which were postiand very nicely to make up a face. That means this was planned in 2001. 2001. Me to is hoping for mechas, I always hope for mechas... Mechas fit the Gladiator theme, so does Giant Beasts (Might not be Rahi yet). Here is how I think it will go: Gladiators fighting each other, moral problems bla bla bla. Suddenly Mata-Iggy comes and somehow obtains a body and a villiage decides to use him. There is also cheating. The end. That sounds right for the film doesn't it?
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