Lego City 2024

[The Island Chronicles]

2 hours ago, Aanchir said:

I mean, while big 8-wide vehicles can be tricky to use with road plates (especially for making turns at intersections), that also applies to several other vehicles from recent years like 60305, 60324 (which came with a road plate itself), 60357, and 60374. So this set's not too much of a departure from the norm in that regard, just one of several City sets that push the boundaries a bit in terms of scale.

With that being said, they should bring 4 stud wide back for automobiles especially. Don't get me.wrong, i commend City for trying the 6 stud wide thing as it allows more detail. But we've got Speed Champions now for that. So I think 6-8 stud wide autos should be a Speed Champions thing. City should go back to 4 stud wide autos. Trucks and buses I can understand being 6 stud wide. Just not for civilian vehicles, cop cars and taxis. I only collect the older City cars because of that. I plan to get City set 4207 so I can snag the cars in that set. 

Edited December 16, 2023 by The Brick Boss

[Lyichir]

10 minutes ago, The Brick Boss said:

With that being said, they should bring 4 stud wide back for automobiles especially. Don't get me.wrong, i commend City for trying the 6 stud wide thing as it allows more detail. But we've got Speed Champions now for that. So I think 6-8 stud wide autos should be a Speed Champions thing. City should go back to 4 stud wide autos. Trucks and buses I can understand being 6 stud wide. Just not for civilian vehicles, cop cars and taxis. I only collect the older City cars because of that. I plan to get City set 4207 so I can snag the cars in that set. 

I tend to like 6-stud wide for a lot of mid-size vehicles since it helps to make cars bigger than smaller vehicles like forklifts, or go-karts like the ones in your avatar, while still fitting in 8-wide road lanes/garages/etc. 4-wide is good for some things but doesn't allow a lot of room for passengers, cargo or very much detail in general.

[TeriXeri]

1 hour ago, The Brick Boss said:

With that being said, they should bring 4 stud wide back for automobiles especially. 

2024 doesn't seem to have any yet (road roller is mostly 4 wide but has big wheels and a roller so it doesn't really fit the category), and there's a space truck too. On the other hand 2023 and 2021 were quite full of 4 wides overall, even tho about half of the 2023 smaller vehicles were small sets that are not staying for 2024)

Also it's somewhat understandable that 2024 seems very light on bikes, after multiple years of quite a few Police/Fire bikes, and Stuntz.

 

Not including Quad Bikes, and Go Karts.

2023:

• Park Tractor (introduced and retiring 2023)
• 4x4 Fire Truck  (introduced and retiring 2023)
• Family House Car (introduced and retiring 2023)
• 4+ Vet Van (introduced and retiring 2023)
• Police Bike Chase Car 
• Car Wash Car 
• Downtown 3 wheeler (rickshaw / tuk tuk)
• 4+ Fire, Police stations cars

In comparison 2022 just had a small tractor in the mobile police command,  and the 4 wide forklift and car in grocery store.

2021 again had a lot more 4 wide cars

•  a polybag car
• skate park car beach at
• 4+ roadwork vehicle
• family house car
• town centre car,
• prisoner transport car
• race buggy
• fire hazard truck.

But yes, I think a mix of good 4 and 6 wide cars is fine, those cars from the 2KDrive and the upcoming Police sports+muscle car are good examples of good 6 wides.

Of course I'd like to see more regular 4 wide cars over time, that aren't just 4+.

As for City experimenting with 8 wides, the 2017 Police Truck works well as 8 wide, lots of room in there, without stickers, would easily be just a regular cargo truck, and the car transport needs the 8 wide to fit 6 wides.

 

It's also nice to see more variation like skateboards, mountain bikes, bicycles, and little scooter/step things (Friends also has variation , even in a 4+ set, came with a regular green "vespa" scooter model)

Friends 2024 vehicles that are smaller then 6 wide cars:

• little red tractor with the barn set
• mobile bakery food cart (6 wide but mainly based around a 4 wide tuk tuk, easily modded into a 4 wide too)
• 4+ 4 wide(with arches) horse trailer car

 

Edited December 16, 2023 by TeriXeri

[The Island Chronicles]

3 hours ago, Lyichir said:

I tend to like 6-stud wide for a lot of mid-size vehicles since it helps to make cars bigger than smaller vehicles like forklifts, or go-karts like the ones in your avatar, while still fitting in 8-wide road lanes/garages/etc. 4-wide is good for some things but doesn't allow a lot of room for passengers, cargo or very much detail in general.

Bro! I didn't say 4 stud wide should be a thing for all vehicles. Just the cars. 

2 hours ago, TeriXeri said:

As for City experimenting with 8 wides, the 2017 Police Truck works well as 8 wide, lots of room in there, without stickers, would easily be just a regular cargo truck, and the car transport needs the 8 wide to fit 6 wides.

I'm pretty sure that one was a 6-stud wide. I have the set. 

[TeriXeri]

15 hours ago, The Brick Boss said:

I'm pretty sure that one was a 6-stud wide. I have the set. 

The 2017 truck is 6 wide (+ mirrors, fenders, fuel tank etc sticking out but that doesn't count in modern LEGO as wheel sizes and details vary a lot, especially with monster trucks, and arctic vehicles having giant wheels on 6-wides), but the cargo part was a full  8 wide (similar to car transporter).

 

But yeah outside of construction vehicles (60391: Construction Trucks and Wrecking Ball Crane is even up to 10 wide along the front, and it's 4+), that 2024 crime scene / command truck is the first 8 wide (along the full length) City vehicle that's not an aircraft or boat as far as I can see, at least in recent years .

The rear section of 60374: Fire Command Truck from this year is 8 wide as well, but the front is still 6 wide if not including wheel arches/wheels (which I exclude in terms of 4/6/8 wide)

What's funny about 4 wide, is that LEGO uses the 4 wide fender pieces more in builds that are not vehicles, inside builds, probably because there's less part stress compared to a full 2 layers of 2x4 plates, similar to why many City vehicles got tiles between the usually stacked 2x16 plates.

Edited December 17, 2023 by TeriXeri

[The Island Chronicles]

@TeriXeri I just don't agree with 8 stud wide road vehicles being a City thing though. 4 stud wide for civilian vehicles and 6 stud wide for trucks and buses. 8 stud wide should be reserved for heavy machinery like the mobile crane from 2022 or the jumbo jet from this past fall. 

[TeriXeri]

27 minutes ago, The Brick Boss said:

@TeriXeri I just don't agree with 8 stud wide road vehicles being a City thing though. 4 stud wide for civilian vehicles and 6 stud wide for trucks and buses. 8 stud wide should be reserved for heavy machinery like the mobile crane from 2022 or the jumbo jet from this past fall. 

Yeah I agree 8 wide should be limited to only a few types of vehicles, not every single truck.

So far LEGO seems to limit most 8 wide to special vehicles, like Airport Fire Truck in 2014, Mobile Artic Bases in 2014, 2018 , 2023, or the 2017 Police Command trailer, and 2023 heavy duty Fire Command truck, but it should not become a standard.

As for the 2024 Police Crime Lab, I think LEGO did a good job keeping it sleek, as the wheels or wheel arches barely stick out, and the truck doesn't have large side mirrors or other obstacles, but it should not become the standard Bus/Truck/Van size.

Friends theme has a few bus designs that are definately oversized for City roads.

• 41106: Pop Star Tour Bus (2015) 8 wide
• 41395: Friendship Bus (2020) 10 wide !

• 41759: Heartlake City Bus (2023) 8 wide + big fenders, and wide wheels, so basicly 10 wide as it does not seem to be designed to be sleek or realistic.

• 42619: Pop Star Music Tour Bus (2024) 10 wide !

• 42613: Heartlake City Hospital Ambulance (2024), 8 wide Van, also just seems oversized, even compared to the 2024 variant of 4+ 60403: Emergency Ambulance.

But as it's Friends, a theme even moreso focused on roleplay , I understand the design choices, and sometimes cartoony/oversized proportions of vehicles, similar to 3-in-1 vehicles can be goofy oversized as well.

 

I do hope 8 wide does not become some type of standard, as with short vehicles, like again Friends Bus and Ambulance, it looks odd.

 

Edited December 17, 2023 by TeriXeri

[Aanchir]

On 12/16/2023 at 4:05 PM, The Brick Boss said:

With that being said, they should bring 4 stud wide back for automobiles especially. Don't get me.wrong, i commend City for trying the 6 stud wide thing as it allows more detail. But we've got Speed Champions now for that. So I think 6-8 stud wide autos should be a Speed Champions thing.

To be honest I have no problem with the City theme's current mix of 4-wide and 6-wide for cars, since it helps to differentiate compact and subcompact cars (like the ones in 60347 or 60398) from larger full-size sedans, high-performance cars, and luxury cars (like those in 60383 and 60415). No reason that all LEGO City cars need to have the same wheelbase width when their real-life equivalents vary so much!

[The Island Chronicles]

8 hours ago, Aanchir said:

To be honest I have no problem with the City theme's current mix of 4-wide and 6-wide for cars, since it helps to differentiate compact and subcompact cars (like the ones in 60347 or 60398) from larger full-size sedans, high-performance cars, and luxury cars (like those in 60383 and 60415). No reason that all LEGO City cars need to have the same wheelbase width when their real-life equivalents vary so much!

I accept your opinion. I'm only saying what I'm saying because Lego has shown that they were able to make different types of vehicles before while only using a four stud wide base. Along with the examples you have given for subcompact and compact vehicles like the ones from 60347 and 60398, there has been portrayals of high performance cars on the four stud wide scale as well. Set 3648 had both a civilian sports car that reminds me of the Shelby Cobra and even a Ford Mustang-ish pursuit car. You also forgot to mention the mini van from set 4207, which I plan to acquire. 7642 also showed a pickup truck. So I think four stud wide for cars is good enough. We've also gotten limos on the 4 stud wide scale in sets 3222, 60102 and 60271. There were also electric vehicles (as you have already stated). There was also a Corvette Stingray lookalike in a 2023 police chase set I believe. I think a set from the classic era with Sam Sinister also featured a hot rod, which was prominent in the second Lego Island game. So..... I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree here.

But this is actually a pretty good discussion here. I think 4 stud wide vs. 6 stud wide vs 8 stud wide deserves its own topic. 

Edited December 18, 2023 by The Brick Boss

[Klaus-Dieter]

Thank you very much for the information!

I'm disappointed that summer will see again the Jungle theme. Why? Because 1. there are still so many, never before in the City theme done subthemes (forest, mountains, Outback, ...) and 2. if Jungle again, I very likely will be only interested in new animals, but for sure there won't be (m)any big new animal moulds.

Hopefully, we'll see some civilian sets in summer, too, like some new shops. And a decent construction site would be nice, too. Plus for years and years I'm hoping for a new (container) harbor.

[playgood]

16 minutes ago, Klaus-Dieter said:

Thank you very much for the information!

I'm disappointed that summer will see again the Jungle theme. Why? Because 1. there are still so many, never before in the City theme done subthemes (forest, mountains, Outback, ...) and 2. if Jungle again, I very likely will be only interested in new animals, but for sure there won't be (m)any big new animal moulds. 

Hopefully, we'll see some civilian sets in summer, too, like some new shops. And a decent construction site would be nice, too. Plus for years and years I'm hoping for a new (container) harbor.

Last year, LEGO combined Deep Sea and Arctic sets into a new subtheme, "Exploration". It's possible that they've done something similar with the Jungle sets and now we have a new theme (Conservation?) that encompasses multiple biomes (outback, savannah, jungle, etc). 

[Night City Dream]

I also dislike the fact that City seems to move away from the system of road plates. Very few sets actually have them.

[The Island Chronicles]

5 hours ago, Klaus-Dieter said:

Thank you very much for the information!

I'm disappointed that summer will see again the Jungle theme. Why? Because 1. there are still so many, never before in the City theme done subthemes (forest, mountains, Outback, ...) and 2. if Jungle again, I very likely will be only interested in new animals, but for sure there won't be (m)any big new animal moulds.

Hopefully, we'll see some civilian sets in summer, too, like some new shops. And a decent construction site would be nice, too. Plus for years and years I'm hoping for a new (container) harbor.

No problem. 

DUDE!!!!!! I have been screaming for a Forest Exploration subtheme since it became clear to me in 2019 that this would be a thing. My idea of the primary goal of the forest exploration subtheme would be to explore the ancient castle ruins just outside the city, finding valueables in the process as all City explorers themes seem to showcase. Animal molds would vary from bears, deer and wolves (eat your heart out @Lion King). 

As far as civilian sets are concerned, given City's past dealings, civilian sets are almost always guaranteed. So I believe we'll definitely see some this summer. 

[TeriXeri]

6 hours ago, Night City Dream said:

I also dislike the fact that City seems to move away from the system of road plates. Very few sets actually have them.

Pretty much all the road plate sets for 2023 (beside Police) released in Summer 2023, so I think with 2024 getting the Police, Fire, vehicles, and one of the subthemes "out of the way", Summer 2024 will be the point to see if LEGO did or did not abandon road plates. I doubt they did , as the actual Road Plate expansion set from 2021 did not retire.

[FinlayTheFaithful]

5 hours ago, The Brick Boss said:

No problem. 

DUDE!!!!!! I have been screaming for a Forest Exploration subtheme since it became clear to me in 2019 that this would be a thing. My idea of the primary goal of the forest exploration subtheme would be to explore the ancient castle ruins just outside the city, finding valueables in the process as all City explorers themes seem to showcase. Animal molds would vary from bears, deer and wolves (eat your heart out @Lion King). 

As far as civilian sets are concerned, given City's past dealings, civilian sets are almost always guaranteed. So I believe we'll definitely see some this summer. 

Indeed, I'm wishing that the leaks somehow got misunderstood and that a forest theme ends up happening

[Lion King]

9 hours ago, The Brick Boss said:

No problem. 

DUDE!!!!!! I have been screaming for a Forest Exploration subtheme since it became clear to me in 2019 that this would be a thing. My idea of the primary goal of the forest exploration subtheme would be to explore the ancient castle ruins just outside the city, finding valueables in the process as all City explorers themes seem to showcase. Animal molds would vary from bears, deer and wolves (eat your heart out @Lion King). 

As far as civilian sets are concerned, given City's past dealings, civilian sets are almost always guaranteed. So I believe we'll definitely see some this summer. 

I don’t mind Jungle but I want a Forest subtheme becuase it has a lot of animals, such as wolves, moose, fawn, fox, skunk (only seen in CMF), baby skunk, baby fox, and more!

We have bear cub this year so I suspect they would recolor it as black or grizzly bear cub.

[Lyichir]

To be honest, a thing about forest animals is that I figure several could probably easily be introduced without a full subtheme of their own (an example being the otter habitat from this past year). I could definitely see something like a bear cub, fox, or skunk in a set like a rural police chase, camper van, or forest firefighting set.

By contrast subthemes like jungle and arctic take place in very different biomes than the main City theme, so benefit more from having a subtheme of their own to help contextualize them.

[Black Falcon]

1 hour ago, Lion King said:

I don’t mind Jungle but I want a Forest subtheme becuase it has a lot of animals, such as wolves, moose, fawn, fox, skunk (only seen in CMF), baby skunk, baby fox, and more!

We have bear cub this year so I suspect they would recolor it as black or grizzly bear cub.

I would actually love to get a wolf, but however I kinda fear how they would make it (it should clearly look like a wolf and not like a dog)

[FinlayTheFaithful]

24 minutes ago, Black Falcon said:

I would actually love to get a wolf, but however I kinda fear how they would make it (it should clearly look like a wolf and not like a dog)

A set similar to the otter habitat could work for a new wolf mould since making them look distinct would take up a fair amount of the budget without hurting the set

 

[The Island Chronicles]

2 hours ago, Lion King said:

I don’t mind Jungle but I want a Forest subtheme becuase it has a lot of animals, such as wolves, moose, fawn, fox, skunk (only seen in CMF), baby skunk, baby fox, and more!

We have bear cub this year so I suspect they would recolor it as black or grizzly bear cub.

I really want a wolf mold. 

[FinlayTheFaithful]

46 minutes ago, The Brick Boss said:

I really want a wolf mold. 

Honestly pretty surprising TLG hasn't made one yet, I'm tired of using my husky pack as a stand in for some arctic wolves

[Lion King]

53 minutes ago, FinlayTheFaithful said:

Honestly pretty surprising TLG hasn't made one yet, I'm tired of using my husky pack as a stand in for some arctic wolves

I was surprised that there was a husky pairing up wiht Snow Guradian in CM instead of having a wolf mold. 

Agreed wiht you -it’s pretty boring to ee husky over and over. 

[Lion King]

By the way, I don’t know why  Guns n Rose’s “Welcome to the Jungle” song just got in my head as soon as I heard. “Jungle” word here. 

So… given that we got Wildlife Rescue two years ago and it was set in African savannah, I would guess the Jungle subtheme would set in either Amazonian rainforest or Asian jungle. Not sure about Congoian jungle since it’s still in Afric

Honeslty, I actually wish we would get giraffe, gorilla and hippo in Congo jungle. But Amazon and Asian settings are welcome. We do need more new animals! For Asian jungle, i think elephant could get a new head (you can tell difference between African and Asian elephants by EARS!). Pandas, tiger cubs, orangutans and a few more. For Amazon rainforest, I think new birds, anteaters, frogs, monkeys, etc. 

I’m welcoming recolored animal molds. 
 

[a guy from somewhere]

27 minutes ago, Lion King said:

By the way, I don’t know why  Guns n Rose’s “Welcome to the Jungle” song just got in my head as soon as I heard. “Jungle” word here. 

So… given that we got Wildlife Rescue two years ago and it was set in African savannah, I would guess the Jungle subtheme would set in either Amazonian rainforest or Asian jungle. Not sure about Congoian jungle since it’s still in Afric

Honeslty, I actually wish we would get giraffe, gorilla and hippo in Congo jungle. But Amazon and Asian settings are welcome. We do need more new animals! For Asian jungle, i think elephant could get a new head (you can tell difference between African and Asian elephants by EARS!). Pandas, tiger cubs, orangutans and a few more. For Amazon rainforest, I think new birds, anteaters, frogs, monkeys, etc. 

I’m welcoming recolored animal molds. 
 

Please for the love of god give us more frogs in new colours. I’d die for a printed poison dart frog.  

[TeriXeri]

I'm personally more interested in the newer plant pieces becoming more available/recolored, even the Fern, Big Fern, and "Bush" pieces from 2023, early 2024.

And perhaps a good Jungle base, without too many vehicles (sold seperately)