2025 Space sets

[SpacePolice89]

7 hours ago, Lyichir said:

There's a lot more choices available for Space fans today

Today there are no sets available for Space fans, there are sets about space but not Space. Every product has a heritage and unique style that must be respected. Not doing that is bad business. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with new products, you just can't replace something iconic with some random stuff and expect people to buy it. 

7 hours ago, Black Falcon said:

The GWP was, but it doesn´t seem like we are getting a set to buy this year. 

If you are looking in the pirates-section, you will pretty much see the same complains. When Castle and Space got the Galaxy Explorer and Lion Knights Castle they got nothing. Last year the got Eldorado, which didn´t please all of them either - well this year 

Pirates only got a follow up set if you are counting the Barracuda Bay, which surely had a similar appeal but the Eldorado Fortress isn´t really a follow up set to that one. It is more a follow up set to the Galaxy Explorer and the Lion Knights Castle, since Pirates didn´t got a Set for the 90s jubilee.

I don´t get all this this theme got this, and that theme got that anyways - in the end we should all be happy we are getting those sets at all. I could also state that Space gets a own CMF or that it gets it´s own subtheme for city - surely it isn´t classic space but it is space. If we are beeing honest, Space, Pirates and Castle all longed for getting new Sets for a long time. And if Lego would have made new Sets of any of these themes, none of that would have been like the classic sets we got decades ago.

 

At least the Pirates sets are based on factions from that theme and gets released regularly. I also like that theme very much and appreciate the new sets.

[JesseNight]

I feel ya. Nothing against the new sets but I miss the Space theme as it once was.
Still, I'm very happy we got to see the new Galaxy Explorer (and sad I didn't manage to get more than 1, and they're already going way up above msrp in my region)

[Artanis I]

It's not ideal, but the City Space subtheme this year is a lot better than the previous 10 years of absolutely no Space subtheme. Too close to home for me to ever properly consider "A1 tRUe sPAcE" but much better than nothing, as others have expanded. I picked up most of the sets and am making extra coloured factions, but I left the space station alone, all the other sets could kinda pass as Space-Space if you pretend enough. I took another look at the CMF series and realised it's not that great either - not from a "tRUe sPAcE" point of view anyway. A handful of usable ones in there, for secondary or tertiary Space purposes. And the Icons/Moments/whatever rumour ended up being not what we expected or hoped for.

 

So now I'm wishlisting...  how cool would it be, if we got a tribute set (over time) for each of the vintage Space subthemes! Obviously we got a large Classic ship, and a medium Blacktron ship. Monorails are off the cards, so how about a roller-coaster-type Futuron transport system? A Space Police 1 capital ship something like the Mission Commander? M-Tron would surely have to be 6989 MCM of course! So many cool possibilities...

[icm]

5 hours ago, SpacePolice89 said:

Today there are no sets available for Space fans, there are sets about space but not Space. Every product has a heritage and unique style that must be respected. Not doing that is bad business. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with new products, you just can't replace something iconic with some random stuff and expect people to buy it. 

At least the Pirates sets are based on factions from that theme and gets released regularly. I also like that theme very much and appreciate the new sets.

You can very much expect Lego's core demographic, kids, to want the new stuff.

As @danth has so often reminded us, not revisiting a decades old design language is not necessarily bad business, new and fresh design ideas are not necessarily a bad thing.

Barracuda Bay in 2020 and Eldorado Fortress in 2023 is not a regular release schedule, and picky Pirates fans were/are every bit as dissatisfied with those as picky Space fans are with this year's cross-theme extravaganza.

[Black Falcon]

8 hours ago, SpacePolice89 said:

At least the Pirates sets are based on factions from that theme and gets released regularly. I also like that theme very much and appreciate the new sets.

What is regulary for you? Lego just started to make those kind of sets two years ago. Baracuda Bay might have played a role in the return of those sets but isn´t part of it and even if you count it those are two Sets, one in 2020 and one in 2023 - with three years in between. So if you look at space you got the Galaxy Explorer in 2022, and actually even though it was a GWP we would have to count the Blacktron Cruiser too since it even brought a faction back and was a revival of an old set. If we are taking 3 years as the "regular release" of a bigger set as that is the time between the release of the Barracuda Bay and the Eldorado Fortress then the next bigger retro Space Set would be due next year. But anyways I don´t think it works like that so Lego might do such a set next year - or not.

Honestly it is possible that they decided that with the City Space Sets around, they won´t make a classic Set for this year but I don´t think we are done with it, especially if we are looking at the GWP that sold out rather quick, so they still doing those kind of Sets. 

 

Aside from all this, I get your disappointement about the Black Space ship, since getting nothing when we are just hopping to get something is bad enough, but after all this rumours and us basically expecting a renegade remake, it is an even bigger disappointement. Especially with the info that they would belong to an own Icons Subtheme that sounded pretty much like it was made for Retro Sets. There was a second Set rumoured to be under that Subtheme where we had no info about yet but that will mean that this one will also based on the movie then. 

I guess we can only hope for new Pirate and Space Sets for next year, since if released this year we would likely already have informations about it. Or at least some good GWPs for any of the Classic Themes this year - we will see.

 

[Space78]

9 minutes ago, Black Falcon said:

What is regulary for you? Lego just started to make those kind of sets two years ago. Baracuda Bay might have played a role in the return of those sets but isn´t part of it and even if you count it those are two Sets, one in 2020 and one in 2023 - with three years in between. So if you look at space you got the Galaxy Explorer in 2022, and actually even though it was a GWP we would have to count the Blacktron Cruiser too since it even brought a faction back and was a revival of an old set. If we are taking 3 years as the "regular release" of a bigger set as that is the time between the release of the Barracuda Bay and the Eldorado Fortress then the next bigger retro Space Set would be due next year. But anyways I don´t think it works like that so Lego might do such a set next year - or not.

Honestly it is possible that they decided that with the City Space Sets around, they won´t make a classic Set for this year but I don´t think we are done with it, especially if we are looking at the GWP that sold out rather quick, so they still doing those kind of Sets. 

 

Aside from all this, I get your disappointement about the Black Space ship, since getting nothing when we are just hopping to get something is bad enough, but after all this rumours and us basically expecting a renegade remake, it is an even bigger disappointement. Especially with the info that they would belong to an own Icons Subtheme that sounded pretty much like it was made for Retro Sets. There was a second Set rumoured to be under that Subtheme where we had no info about yet but that will mean that this one will also based on the movie then. 

I guess we can only hope for new Pirate and Space Sets for next year, since if released this year we would likely already have informations about it. Or at least some good GWPs for any of the Classic Themes this year - we will see.

 

For PIrates theme, there is also the current set 31109 Pirate Ship in the Creator 3 in 1 line.

[icm]

Which is a long lived 2020 release that does not directly reference any previous Pirate ship or faction made by Lego, and it's in the Creator 3-in-1 line. So if we're being really pedantic about it, that's no more of a proper Pirates ship than this year's space vehicles and bases are proper Space sets.

[Space78]

I think it's very difficult to compare "Space" theme to other Lego themes.  Space is a fantasy theme, so the imagination is the limit as to what might be a "space" set.  In comparison, Castle, Pirates, etc. are set in specific times/places in history.  In that sense, a Pirates set from 1989 does not "look" different from the current Pirates offering.  Same for Castle.

Space has a lot of "sub-themes" if you will: CS, Blacktron, Futuron, M-Tron, etc. etc.  It gets to the point where one set might look out of place next to another set if they are from different eras of space sets.  The space sub-themes generally had a consistency to their look.

2 minutes ago, icm said:

Which is a long lived 2020 release that does not directly reference any previous Pirate ship or faction made by Lego, and it's in the Creator 3-in-1 line. So if we're being really pedantic about it, that's no more of a proper Pirates ship than this year's space vehicles and bases are proper Space sets.

Oh, I didn't think there was any question that the current City Space sets are in fact Lego space sets.  Is that not the case?  To me, it feels like they've just started another space "sub-theme."  It's not a "re-make" of any previous space theme as far as I can tell.

[Kit Figsto]

21 minutes ago, Space78 said:

I think it's very difficult to compare "Space" theme to other Lego themes.  Space is a fantasy theme, so the imagination is the limit as to what might be a "space" set.  In comparison, Castle, Pirates, etc. are set in specific times/places in history.  In that sense, a Pirates set from 1989 does not "look" different from the current Pirates offering.  Same for Castle.

Space has a lot of "sub-themes" if you will: CS, Blacktron, Futuron, M-Tron, etc. etc.  It gets to the point where one set might look out of place next to another set if they are from different eras of space sets.  The space sub-themes generally had a consistency to their look.

I think that this is the crux of the issue right here.  I'm, I guess, tangentially a Space fan (in that I do like some of the sets and themes, but I wouldn't consider myself a hardcore Space fan).  I feel like the 80s/early-mid-90s Space stuff captured a similar aesthetic, for the most part.  As time went on, we started to get some more specialized parts, or minifigure printing became more complex (compare Ice Planet to Blacktron I, for example), but I feel as if the sets still had some level of compatibility.  

I feel like this changed with probably Life on Mars or Mars Mission, since that was around the time that LEGO began to produce a lot more specialized elements, namely adding more curvature into the mix, which I think is a big change specifically for Space since Castle and Pirates sort of already had their specialized parts (pirate ship hull/mast parts, castle walls, etc), whereas Space, with it being a largely vehicle-based theme, had to rely on a lot of angle/wing plates to capture curves.  Ironically, most of the aforementioned specialized parts for Pirates/Castle don't really exist anymore, whereas Space still makes good use of a lot of smooth slope/curved parts.

In addition to parts, I also think that time itself has simply changed some things.  The idea of futuristic spacecraft looked a bit different in the 70s/80s/90s than it does now (and that can even be seen if you compare some of the ships from OG Classic Space with some of the mid-90s stuff).

Anyway, IMO, that's probably why there exists a distinct different of opinion between a lot of Space fans.  Some people tend to favor the older aesthetic (which can be captured while still using modern parts, I think the Galaxy Explorer and Blacktron Cruiser do a fantastic job of creating sets that fit in with 80s/90s Space but also look a little bit sleeker/updated), while others are okay with whatever comes out under the Space umbrella.  As a side-note, I sort of wonder if the current City Space sets were just released as "Space" or some sort of subtheme name and not just "City" if some folks would have less of an issue with them.

Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinions on the sets, and I think at the end of the day, "buy what you like" is probably the best rule to follow.

[Aanchir]

4 hours ago, icm said:

Barracuda Bay in 2020 and Eldorado Fortress in 2023 is not a regular release schedule, and picky Pirates fans were/are every bit as dissatisfied with those as picky Space fans are with this year's cross-theme extravaganza. 

Yeah, I think that's a very good perspective to have. As nice as these sorts of throwback sets are, none have had a consistent enough release pattern for the lack of a throwback to a particular theme in a particular year to make me worry that that theme is being neglected. And all in all, the fact that LEGO has continued to release additional Pirates/Castle throwbacks (and even Space ones as GWPs) makes me think there's still a strong likelihood of seeing more big Space exclusives in the future.

That said, with this being the "year of space", it was hardly unreasonable for people to hope we might get another big Space throwback set this year. And when big hopes like that don't come to fruition, disappointment is bound to result. So I think we ought to try and be patient with each other, even if this year's space offerings do scratch the LEGO Space itch for some of us.

[Black Falcon]

30 minutes ago, Space78 said:

For PIrates theme, there is also the current set 31109 Pirate Ship in the Creator 3 in 1 line.

Yeah well I didn´t count it in above, as that was only about the retro Sets, which the Creator 3in1 Set doesn´t belong to. Eitherway whether we look at the retro Sets or Sets overall the Pirates Theme is the one with the least Sets, while Space gets the most, though if we are talking about Retro Sets Castle might be leading, though the Medieval Town Square and Lion Knights castle take a different approach than the Retro-Sets from Space and Pirates

23 minutes ago, Space78 said:

I think it's very difficult to compare "Space" theme to other Lego themes.  Space is a fantasy theme, so the imagination is the limit as to what might be a "space" set.  In comparison, Castle, Pirates, etc. are set in specific times/places in history.  In that sense, a Pirates set from 1989 does not "look" different from the current Pirates offering.  Same for Castle.

Space has a lot of "sub-themes" if you will: CS, Blacktron, Futuron, M-Tron, etc. etc.  It gets to the point where one set might look out of place next to another set if they are from different eras of space sets.  The space sub-themes generally had a consistency to their look.

Well Pirates and Castle might be based on their historical models more than Space, but both - especially castle also are based to a big part of fantasy. Anyways I wouldn´t agree that they look too much the same as they had many different approaches over the years, especially the castles of the Knights Kingdoms Era do look quite different from the first castles Lego made, Fantasy Era had a Dwarven Mine and a Troll Fortress we never had before and the Dragons of the later Series didn´t look anything like the ones they had earlier.

If we are looking at todays Sets, the Lion Knights Castle looks very different from any of the older Sets and both the Eldorado Fortress and Galaxy Explorere, even though based on older Sets looked quite different too just by the way todays sets are built with all the new bricks and building techniques.

Space in general of course is more open but I wouldn´t actually say one set would look out of place next to another (unless it would be a older set next to an newer one because of the building techniques again), since Space lives from different Factions and several eras would just make a more lively space populated by many different species.

[mon-o-mat]

50 minutes ago, Kit Figsto said:

I think that this is the crux of the issue right here.  I'm, I guess, tangentially a Space fan (in that I do like some of the sets and themes, but I wouldn't consider myself a hardcore Space fan).  I feel like the 80s/early-mid-90s Space stuff captured a similar aesthetic, for the most part.  As time went on, we started to get some more specialized parts, or minifigure printing became more complex (compare Ice Planet to Blacktron I, for example), but I feel as if the sets still had some level of compatibility.  

I feel like this changed with probably Life on Mars or Mars Mission, since that was around the time that LEGO began to produce a lot more specialized elements, namely adding more curvature into the mix, which I think is a big change specifically for Space since Castle and Pirates sort of already had their specialized parts (pirate ship hull/mast parts, castle walls, etc), whereas Space, with it being a largely vehicle-based theme, had to rely on a lot of angle/wing plates to capture curves.  Ironically, most of the aforementioned specialized parts for Pirates/Castle don't really exist anymore, whereas Space still makes good use of a lot of smooth slope/curved parts.

In addition to parts, I also think that time itself has simply changed some things.  The idea of futuristic spacecraft looked a bit different in the 70s/80s/90s than it does now (and that can even be seen if you compare some of the ships from OG Classic Space with some of the mid-90s stuff).

Anyway, IMO, that's probably why there exists a distinct different of opinion between a lot of Space fans.  Some people tend to favor the older aesthetic (which can be captured while still using modern parts, I think the Galaxy Explorer and Blacktron Cruiser do a fantastic job of creating sets that fit in with 80s/90s Space but also look a little bit sleeker/updated), while others are okay with whatever comes out under the Space umbrella.  As a side-note, I sort of wonder if the current City Space sets were just released as "Space" or some sort of subtheme name and not just "City" if some folks would have less of an issue with them.

Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinions on the sets, and I think at the end of the day, "buy what you like" is probably the best rule to follow.

 I would say, the look of classic space also came from a limited amount of specialized parts, namely the cockpit-pieces, the wheels and some of the more decorative elements. Then the major brake came with the introduction of rounded windscreen elements in the early 2000s together with new building techniques like a lot more Technic within system lines, making larger and sturdier builds possible, which also changed the way stuff was designed.

[Lion King]

Sorry if I change the flow of discussion but have you seen HD pics of CMF Sereis 26 aka Space CMF? They are cool in the better pics!

[mon-o-mat]

34 minutes ago, Lion King said:

Sorry if I change the flow of discussion but have you seen HD pics of CMF Sereis 26 aka Space CMF? They are cool in the better pics!

Space Penguin

[Space78]

38 minutes ago, Lion King said:

Sorry if I change the flow of discussion but have you seen HD pics of CMF Sereis 26 aka Space CMF? They are cool in the better pics!

Source?

[SpacePolice89]

3 hours ago, Black Falcon said:

What is regulary for you? Lego just started to make those kind of sets two years ago. Baracuda Bay might have played a role in the return of those sets but isn´t part of it and even if you count it those are two Sets, one in 2020 and one in 2023 - with three years in between.

I don't pay much attention to if the sets are Ideas, Icons, Creator or just GWPs. The Creator 3 in 1 castle has Black Falcon minifigs and the Barracuda Bay had Captain Redbeard and his crew. I want something similar for Space.

[Lion King]

27 minutes ago, Space78 said:

Source?

Usual place. 

[Space78]

7 minutes ago, SpacePolice89 said:

I don't pay much attention to if the sets are Ideas, Icons, Creator or just GWPs. The Creator 3 in 1 castle has Black Falcon minifigs and the Barracuda Bay had Captain Redbeard and his crew. I want something similar for Space.

I agree.  Not considering something as Castle or Pirates theme just because it's marked by Lego as a Creator 3 in 1 set doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but to each their own.  I don't care what marketing line Lego decides to put a set in.  It's what the set is a model of that matters.

[Black Falcon]

46 minutes ago, SpacePolice89 said:

I don't pay much attention to if the sets are Ideas, Icons, Creator or just GWPs. The Creator 3 in 1 castle has Black Falcon minifigs and the Barracuda Bay had Captain Redbeard and his crew. I want something similar for Space.

And City Space has the classic Space logo. You could aswell see them as a more modern form of classic space or futuron. The CMF has several retro figures and some unique new ones. I do have to admit, I am still somewhat disappointed with the CMF but City Space has a bunch of cool sets. Sure their design is more based on actual space and maybe less futuristic than the old Sets. But I built the intergalactic spaceship a few days ago and it is really good.

[SpacePolice89]

33 minutes ago, Black Falcon said:

And City Space has the classic Space logo. You could aswell see them as a more modern form of classic space or futuron. The CMF has several retro figures and some unique new ones. I do have to admit, I am still somewhat disappointed with the CMF but City Space has a bunch of cool sets. Sure their design is more based on actual space and maybe less futuristic than the old Sets. But I built the intergalactic spaceship a few days ago and it is really good.

The City space sets are very nice but unfortunately not something I'm interested in. While the new pirates and Imperial Soldiers look good alongside the old ones the City space figs doesn't have that Space look. For me to be interested they would have to be like the Space Police Guy or the green Futuron or reproductions of the original minifigs like they did in the new Galaxy Explorer. The upcoming CMF space series has some interesting minifigs that I look forward to, especially the M-Tron, Blacktron 2 and Ice Planet ones.

[JesseNight]

5 hours ago, Black Falcon said:

Aside from all this, I get your disappointement about the Black Space ship, since getting nothing when we are just hopping to get something is bad enough, but after all this rumours and us basically expecting a renegade remake, it is an even bigger disappointement.

That's the problem nowadays, people getting too hyped over assumptions or just hopes. The more we expect, the bigger the disappointment. Expect nothing, and things can only get better.

As for the black spaceship, there's no point being disappointed because we have absolutely no idea yet what it's gonna be like. Who knows is it really nice... or even easy to make passable as a Blacktron ship. That's what I'm hoping for at this point.

[Black Falcon]

3 minutes ago, JesseNight said:

That's the problem nowadays, people getting too hyped over assumptions or just hopes. The more we expect, the bigger the disappointment. Expect nothing, and things can only get better.

As for the black spaceship, there's no point being disappointed because we have absolutely no idea yet what it's gonna be like. Who knows is it really nice... or even easy to make passable as a Blacktron ship. That's what I'm hoping for at this point.

It is possible, sure. but in the end we already know that some elements are inlcuded, like the swapable heads, the frame and not to forget the license itself that will draw the price of this set up.

[Lion King]

3 minutes ago, Black Falcon said:

It is possible, sure. but in the end we already know that some elements are inlcuded, like the swapable heads, the frame and not to forget the license itself that will draw the price of this set up.

Sure but we have no idea what it looks like more clearly. No images yet. 

[JesseNight]

12 minutes ago, Black Falcon said:

It is possible, sure. but in the end we already know that some elements are inlcuded, like the swapable heads, the frame and not to forget the license itself that will draw the price of this set up.

That's why I'm not gonna hope too much and just wait and see 

[Kit Figsto]

The CMF set is such a fun assortment, I really hope that the QR code trick continues to work.  I definitely need a few of the Ice Planet guys, and I love the the alien tourist, constellation, M-Tron guy, and UFO costume.