LEGO Ninjago 2024 Rumours and Discussion

[Classic_Spaceman]

Per a recent clip, Ras is from the Wyldness (not Chima). This is kind of a missed opportunity, IMO, as we already have a character from the Wyldness (Wyldfyre), and since Doc Wyatt has confirmed that Chima is one of the merged realms. 🫤
Maybe “The Wyldness” is the actual name of the Realm and “Chima” is just the area directly around Mount Cavora (as the series finale shows that the land of Chima is only a small part of that realm’s landmass)? Hopium, I know, but it is possible. 

Something interesting about the clip is that it is a flashback, and it seems to take place before the Merge; Ras is seen meeting with the Emperor of Imperium (who has Beatrix and (probably?) her sister seated beside him). Since Beatrix was Empress during Sora’s childhood (see videos shown in her class), this clip suggests that Ras was able to travel between Realms prior to the Merge. 
 

On 10/1/2023 at 9:26 PM, Lion King said:

This is a pure theory but I remembe one character in Nexo Knights series Madea a comment about “realm”. It made me wonder if that character referred real to Ninjago. Of course Nexo Knight theme was discontinued and there will never provide some information to that “realm” comment. 

Nexo Knights is not one of the 17 Realms; Ninjago is a fictional show in that universe (See here and here). 
 

[Lion King]

8 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

Nexo Knights is not one of the 17 Realms; Ninjago is a fictional show in that universe (See here and here). 
 

Sorry I should write better. Yes I know we are talking about Ninjago (cancelled) TV show series. But I was saying that I remembered one of those Nexo Knights TV episodes - one knight made a comment about realms. I assumed he was talking about Ninjago universe. I can’t remember what knight said exactly tho but it hade me more curiosus some years ago.  

I would be surpsied to see Nexo Knights chracters showing up in Ninjago universe in the way the Wilderness (China) characters show up. 

China and Nexo Knights thems have been cancelled for a while.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Lion King

[Natant16]

I wonder if Lego's not letting them use Chima beyond cameos for legal reasons or something.

[Takanuinuva]

4 hours ago, Natant16 said:

I wonder if Lego's not letting them use Chima beyond cameos for legal reasons or something.

There is a chance they don't have all the character models anymore.

[Natant16]

1 hour ago, Takanuinuva said:

There is a chance they don't have all the character models anymore.

It's a different animation studio, isn't it?

[Classic_Spaceman]

On 10/3/2023 at 11:46 AM, Lion King said:

Sorry I should write better. Yes I know we are talking about Ninjago (cancelled) TV show series. But I was saying that I remembered one of those Nexo Knights TV episodes - one knight made a comment about realms. I assumed he was talking about Ninjago universe. I can’t remember what knight said exactly tho but it hade me more curiosus some years ago.  

The word "realm" just means "land" or "world"; in the Ninjago universe (multiverse, technically), the term is used to refer to the 16 universes that exist parallel to Ninjago itself. 
 

On 10/3/2023 at 6:49 PM, Natant16 said:

I wonder if Lego's not letting them use Chima beyond cameos for legal reasons or something.

LEGO is the sole owner of their in-house themes, so this is exceedingly unlikely! 
 

On 10/3/2023 at 11:40 PM, Takanuinuva said:

There is a chance they don't have all the character models anymore.

On 10/4/2023 at 1:35 AM, Natant16 said:

It's a different animation studio, isn't it?

It is, but the Beaver Tribe had a cameo in SotFS, so at least those assets are available. Additionally, a number of years have passed since the last time that we saw the main Chima characters (Possession), so they could just create new characters and assets for Chima as it exists today. 
 

[Lyichir]

On 10/3/2023 at 6:49 PM, Natant16 said:

I wonder if Lego's not letting them use Chima beyond cameos for legal reasons or something.

This is unlikely. If anything, the lack of direct Chima character cameos or appearances since the merge is probably simply due to not wanting to confuse audiences with essential lore from a separate, non-current TV series. That said, it wouldn't be entirely surprising to see a surprise reappearance of Chima characters at some point—after all, this is the series that brought back Clutch Powers after almost a decade of irrelevance.

[Classic_Spaceman]

15 minutes ago, Lyichir said:

This is unlikely. If anything, the lack of direct Chima character cameos or appearances since the merge is probably simply due to not wanting to confuse audiences with essential lore from a separate, non-current TV series. That said, it wouldn't be entirely surprising to see a surprise reappearance of Chima characters at some point—after all, this is the series that brought back Clutch Powers after almost a decade of irrelevance.

This. 👍
 

For anyone who wants Dragons Rising Nya without having to buy the temple, markets, or 4+ set, her pieces (along with those of the other Dragons Rising Minifigs) are now available on PaB. The gold Imperium guards and claw hunters can be cobbled together as well, for those in the US who want to army-build them (no Imperium swords, though, for some reason 🫤). 
 

[Natant16]

Legal reasons was a poor way to word it, but I meant something more along the lines of maybe they're not wanting themes to cross over too much for brand purposes.

[Takanuinuva]

Could also be that they don't want to add in the old Chima character and then have kids ask their parents for sets with them only to find them being only for resale.

[Classic_Spaceman]

2 hours ago, Takanuinuva said:

Could also be that they don't want to add in the old Chima character and then have kids ask their parents for sets with them only to find them being only for resale.

They could just integrate the old Chima characters (gradually) into the Dragons Rising story. Also, there are a number of characters just in the first half of the first season who do not have Minifig counterparts, so I doubt that would keep them from using Chima characters. 
 

[Lion King]

8 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

They could just integrate the old Chima characters (gradually) into the Dragons Rising story. Also, there are a number of characters just in the first half of the first season who do not have Minifig counterparts, so I doubt that would keep them from using Chima characters. 
 

Agreed with this. 

[Rolyat24]

On 10/6/2023 at 11:55 AM, Classic_Spaceman said:

For anyone who wants Dragons Rising Nya without having to buy the temple, markets, or 4+ set, her pieces (along with those of the other Dragons Rising Minifigs) are now available on PaB. The gold Imperium guards and claw hunters can be cobbled together as well, for those in the US who want to army-build them (no Imperium swords, though, for some reason 🫤). 
 

I’m not seeing any of the Ninjago minifigure parts on the US PaB. How are you finding them?

[Classic_Spaceman]

22 hours ago, Rolyat24 said:

I’m not seeing any of the Ninjago minifigure parts on the US PaB. How are you finding them?

The images are not up, so you need to search for the parts by number. 
 

[mantax]

The part 2 of season 1 was really great overall in my opinion. Now I think is safe to say that ninjago is in good hands. Not much was revealed from it, but there were still some satisfying moments.

Spoiler

That scene with Ras and Jordana at the end baisicly confirmed that ''Jordan'' from the descriptions will now definitely be Jordana. with that I start to suspect that the Master Ras keeps refrencing could be Cinder, since they are only in 2 expensive sets that also have Ras in them.

The fact that Rapton of all people changed sides was completely unexpected for me. Also The Empress could be still out there somewhere, since all the people that got sucked in came back at the end, so she could easly return. 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2023 by mantax

[Killian]

 

Just finished episodes 11-20 of Dragons Rising.

So many goofy filler episodes, but it was good to see story progression in the last 3 or so episodes. Can't wait to see who the secret true master of Ras is, just hope it's not Harumi or The Crystal King.

 

On 10/3/2023 at 1:32 PM, Classic_Spaceman said:

Per a recent clip, Ras is from the Wyldness (not Chima). This is kind of a missed opportunity, IMO, as we already have a character from the Wyldness (Wyldfyre)

Wyldfyre came from the sky in what looked like a spaceship when she was a baby, so there's a possibility that she may not originally be from the Wyldness. But yeah, it was stated that Ras came from there pre-merge.

On 9/12/2023 at 7:25 PM, mantax said:

I feel like Jordan (or Jordana) and Cinder will be both villains

Have we seen Cinder yet? Or is that going to be a season 2 character?

On 9/15/2023 at 10:37 PM, Lemerbrix said:

in case you’re wondering why I’m using she/her pronouns to refer to just2good, She came out as trans today, 

Can't believe it took me almost a month to notice. So happy for her 🤩

Edited October 12, 2023 by Killian
Wish Magic

[Lion King]

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Never mind, I got what you mean, Killian.

[Classic_Spaceman]

2 hours ago, Killian said:

Can't wait to see who the secret true master of Ras is, just hope it's not Harumi or The Crystal King.

Neither would make sense; Harumi would have no reason to recruit Ras to travel to Imperium pre-Merge in order to trap a Source Dragon, and the Crystal King (Overlord) is done; he was the final villain of the original show, so he is not going to appear again (especially so soon!). 

2 hours ago, Killian said:

Wyldfyre came from the sky in what looked like a spaceship when she was a baby, so there's a possibility that she may not originally be from the Wyldness. But yeah, it was stated that Ras came from there pre-merge.

Something interesting is that The Administration was actually part of the Realm of Madness (rather than being a Realm unto itself), so this gives a bit more credence to my Wyldness-is-Chima hopium theory (Chima could be the area around Mount Cavora, while the entire Realm itself could be the Wyldness). Also, we now have five unknown Realms. 
 

“Jordan” is definitely Jordana, and it makes sense now why she would be described as wearing a fur collar piece. I do hope that we get Dr. LaRow, scientist Jordana, maybe Dorama, and at least one random Imperian in the next Ninjago modular. 
BTW, do we know what happened to LaRow? She just got taken away by some guards and disappeared. 🫤
 

[mantax]

4 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

Neither would make sense; Harumi would have no reason to recruit Ras to travel to Imperium pre-Merge in order to trap a Source Dragon, and the Crystal King (Overlord) is done; he was the final villain of the original show, so he is not going to appear again (especially so soon!). 

My wild theory is that The Master could be Eagalt the master dragon, since that set has master in it's name, so maybe that could be the case. It would be really interesting to have a dragon be a villain since dragons were always associeted with good. He could be one of the source dragons who decided to betray his kind  because he wanted to be the most powerfull, since that trope happens quite a lot in media. But that is just a theory.

[Classic_Spaceman]

6 hours ago, mantax said:

My wild theory is that The Master could be Eagalt the master dragon, since that set has master in its name, so maybe that could be the case. It would be really interesting to have a dragon be a villain since dragons were always associeted with good. 

I suspect that Egalt is the Source Dragon that Imperium had trapped, and the "Master" title is due to Source Dragons being the source of Elemental Powers (those who have powers are often referred to as "Masters" of their respective elements). 

6 hours ago, mantax said:

But that is just a theory.

Aaaaaaaa LEGO Theory! 
 

[Classic_Spaceman]

I just finished watching the second half of the season; overall, it was quite good (the ending fights against Empress Beatrix's mech were excellent!), though I have a few pacing and story complaints: 
Cutting between three teams each episode instead of having one episode for each team made the middle of the latter half of the season feel very disjointed, and I often wondered if I had missed something. 
Dorama overstayed his welcome; I liked him in the first half of the season, but here he just seemed too goofy when the stakes should have been getting progressively higher, and by extension he made Imperium feel less threatening than they were in the first half (also, barely having any fights against Claw Hunters did not help that either). He should have stayed dead with "Aaand, scene.". 
Not enough LaRow. She was interesting in the first half, but got relegated to "generic scientist lady" in the second; cutting Dorama would have given her more time to develop, along with fleshing out Jordana's ambitions. 
The series really seemed to want to wrap up the Imperium story, so a lot of things happened way too quickly; I am fine with the small resistance group, and even with Rapton opposing the Empress, but the speed at which most Imperium citizens turned on Beatrix was unrealistic and a bit jarring. Realistically, most people would have the same position as Sora's parents (and why would anyone believe things being said by a group who has been made out to be lying enemies??), and none of the guards should feel lied-to, as Beatrix monologues in front of them all the time! Also, having New Imperium immediately be a democracy after historically being a monarchy feels forced as well; Rapton should have gathered some of his most trusted Claw Hunters and set up a military government after Beatrix was deposed. Finally, after repeatedly showing the prison and mentioning how many people Empress Beatrix had arrested, I was expecting a "One way out!" charge of prisoners fighting back against her after the loss of power released the locks on the cells (and these people could have taken the place of the regular Imperians in the final fight). 
 

Some new and confirmed lore: 
Wu is dead; he seems to live on as a Force ghost of sorts, but he is definitely not alive. 
Source Dragons are the source of Elemental Powers (I called it!). 
The Merge caused new Elemental Powers to emerge (I suspected this as well, as both Wyldfyre and Sora got their powers immediately post-Merge). 
The Administration is part of the Realm of Madness, not a separate Realm. 
The Land of Lost Things seems to be part of the Realm of Imperium. 
Ras is from the Wyldness (which may or may not be/contain Chima), and he travelled between Realms pre-Merge. 
Djinjago is both the source of wish-magic, and also sustained by it; I hope that we get to see it return at some point! Also, Nadakhan is still out there. . . 


Questions: 
Is Riyu a baby Source Dragon? He has control over Elemental tech power, and the trapped Source Dragon said that he (Riyu) is very special - Maybe the first Source Dragon born in eons? 
What happened to LaRow? She just got taken away by guards and then never seen again; I wish that she had either gotten a death/arrest scene, or was shown obviously escaping. 
What happened to Zeatrix (Beatrix's sister), and what was her power? While it is implied that she died, this is never confirmed, and having her turn up later hoping to reclaim her rightful place as ruler of Imperium would be a good story for a future season (especially since Dragons Rising seems to be far more serialised than its predecessor). 
What is the timeline?? Ras showed up in Imperium sometime before the Merge, and then helped Beatrix assassinate her father and seize the throne; this had to have happened before Sora was born, since Beatrix was in power when Sora was a child. More confusingly, however, was the presence of hover-chariots and modern technology when Ras arrived, as Sora said (in the flashback) that Dr. LaRow invented hover-chariots and figured out how to harness dragon energy. Either LaRow was a child prodigy (which is possible), or this is just more propaganda and those things were done before LaRow took over the Advanced Systems Lab. 

[mantax]

5 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

Is Riyu a baby Source Dragon? He has control over Elemental tech power, and the trapped Source Dragon said that he (Riyu) is very special - Maybe the first Source Dragon born in eons? 
What happened to LaRow? She just got taken away by guards and then never seen again; I wish that she had either gotten a death/arrest scene, or was shown obviously escaping. 
What happened to Zeatrix (Beatrix's sister), and what was her power? While it is implied that she died, this is never confirmed, and having her turn up later hoping to reclaim her rightful place as ruler of Imperium would be a good story for a future season (especially since Dragons Rising seems to be far more serialised than its predecessor). 
What is the timeline?? Ras showed up in Imperium sometime before the Merge, and then helped Beatrix assassinate her father and seize the throne; this had to have happened before Sora was born, since Beatrix was in power when Sora was a child. More confusingly, however, was the presence of hover-chariots and modern technology when Ras arrived, as Sora said (in the flashback) that Dr. LaRow invented hover-chariots and figured out how to harness dragon energy. Either LaRow was a child prodigy (which is possible), or this is just more propaganda and those things were done before LaRow took over the Advanced Systems Lab. 

I feel like Riyu will most definitely be a source dragon, since they are really hinting on it being the case, especialy after what the trapped Source Dragon said.

With the other unansfered questions and loose ends I think that it would be slowely revealled to us over time, since The Ninjago Team confirmed that Dragons Rising is going to have an overarching story.

 

 

[Takanuinuva]

14 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

The series really seemed to want to wrap up the Imperium story, so a lot of things happened way too quickly; I am fine with the small resistance group, and even with Rapton opposing the Empress, but the speed at which most Imperium citizens turned on Beatrix was unrealistic and a bit jarring. Realistically, most people would have the same position as Sora's parents (and why would anyone believe things being said by a group who has been made out to be lying enemies??), and none of the guards should feel lied-to, as Beatrix monologues in front of them all the time!

I kind of agree with you on this. Would have made more sense to use a drone to broadcast Beatrix admitting to the ninja that she doesn't care about the citizens while she was fighting them. 

[Killian]

On 10/13/2023 at 6:11 AM, mantax said:

 It would be really interesting to have a dragon be a villain since dragons were always associeted with good. He could be one of the source dragons who decided to betray his kind  because he wanted to be the most powerfull, since that trope happens quite a lot in media. But that is just a theory.

The Overlord did that "I'm a dragon now LOL" thing that one time, and Grief-Bringer was so evil that Lily had to kill them, but having an actual living dragon be evil and maybe betray the other dragons would be an interesting plot development

On 10/12/2023 at 11:23 PM, Lion King said:

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I'm so curious

Edited October 14, 2023 by Killian

[Lemerbrix]

On 9/14/2023 at 8:51 AM, mantax said:

Also why does Lloyd duel Arin.

I was thinking about this again, and I’m thinking these wolf warriors capture Lloyd and Arin, and then force them to duel in an arena, Thor ragnarok style