1 hour ago, Flieger said:

It is high time we hold Lego to that standard of adult collector's item and stop defending inaccuracies by mindlessly saying it’s a kids' toy every single time an inaccuracy is mentioned. (Yularen's wrong uniform details cost as much in printing as would have the correct one e.g., in an 650€ set!). Not to mention Lego prides itself being the top of the line, premium producer...

So we should stop treating the kid’s toy company like a kid’s toy company? Because they’re making minor mistakes on *checks notes* a kid’s toy where the kids  find it barely noticeable.

On the other hand, I do partly agree with you when it comes to figs like Fox.

1 hour ago, Flieger said:

Or to put it differently: Disney Star Wars has consistently failed to attract new, young audiences. Last time I (teacher) saw kids talking Star Wars all the time was the TCW era, with a mild intrest in TFA but then it was gone. All the shows aimed at young people had no impact. Who even remembers Resistance?

I have a job in a school. And the Mando and Grogu craze seems to as big now as the TCW craze was among children of my generation.

1 hour ago, Flieger said:

What 7-year old wants Jedi Bob or an Ackbar trooper?

That will be set after the lego show in September. At this point those products have no backing in the kids show because its not yet out.

23 minutes ago, Agent Kallus said:

I have a job in a school. And the Mando and Grogu craze seems to as big now as the TCW craze was among children of my generation.

Also, a LOT of kids are exposed to the original star wars movies through their parents. Even if they don't like the new stuff (and so many of them like mando) it's not like they haven't seen any of the older stuff in the franchise.

33 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said:

So we should stop treating the kid’s toy company like a kid’s toy company? Because they’re making minor mistakes on *checks notes* a kid’s toy where the kids  find it barely noticeable.

EXACTLY. I don't care if you want to obsess over lego details- I do that. But our liking of a children's toy doesn't change the fact that it IS A CHILDREN'S TOY BRAND.

This reads the same way to me as the people who say stuff like "clone wars isn't for kids". It is. It is a show primarily aimed at kids. It has a lot of stuff adults can enjoy as well, but it's a show for kids. That doesn't make it wrong to enjoy it.

 

Bought the Mando vs Imperials pack. The set does a great job making the most of a limited part count to really bulk up the footprint and size, and the figures are great. Once these hit sale, I'll probably grab a few more.

33 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said:

So we should stop treating the kid’s toy company like a kid’s toy company?

No. They should simply adhere to their motto "Only the best is good enough" which is many times to tally dead in LEGO company although it takes a little to make things much more better.

They should also keep in mind, that many of the fans are adults and the group is growing - thus attention to details should be there. I unthinkable how on Earth they are not able to to catch details that an average SW fan knows.

Like with the new Skiff set - all they needed to do was to take the Boba Fett fig  sw0822   and print his arms with the same schema as sw1245 , print the Lando leg print on a doublemolded tan-dark brown legs and perhaps ad at least 1 "villain" figure - a weequay or nikto pilot of the skiff and it would then even justify that overblown price.
And all that makes me angry when i see a fig for 4eur getting all the love double molded arms/legs, printed, many special new molds created for that fig and so on and in an 80eur set.

The sad true is this will only end after we stop purchasing all the imperfects products. And i dont remember which SW set was soo good i wanted it immediately for the full price and i dont think that the stores (not direct lego stores) are having any data analysis of which set was purchased for full and which was hard to get out even for 50% -> they dont care probably so they will order all the new lego products.

Bring things back on topic a bit. 

has there been any more info about the fleet troopers vs Stormie bp?

I know we’ve seen pics but we still don’t know what the price will be ($45 is only a theory and not been backed by anyone I can see) and is it a Lego exclusive/gwp given that it’s set number isn’t with the normal LSW sets.

also when is it due to be released? Feel like this set is the opposite rumour wise we normally get all the details we are missing and then pictures. 

4 hours ago, Flieger said:

It is high time we hold Lego to that standard of adult collector's item and stop defending inaccuracies by mindlessly saying its a kids' toy every single time an inaccuracy is mentioned. (Yularen's wrong uniform details cost as much in printing as would have the correct one e.g., in an 650€ set!). Not to mention Lego prides itself being the top of the line, premium producer...

Agreed! Stuff like Yularen's uniform, Fox's torso/legs, the 501st Jet Trooper's helmet and other similar issues wouldn't have cost a penny more to fix, just literally a few seconds of comparison with the source material and the touch of a button in whatever software they use to make the designs. 

Pricing and minifigure inclusions in sets are other issues, but they're clearly more profit-based. The inaccurate designs are just down to pure laziness. 

Yeah, inaccuracies can be annoying, but 99.999% of people simply don't care about the wrong number of small colourful squares on a uniform or the wrong number of some cylindrical things. Heck, I'd wager at least 90% of casual fans don't even know that these represent ranks and code cylinders respectively  I'm a huge nerd and can name countless Glup Shittos, and even I don't really know by heart which colour combination stands for which rank and how many code cylinders the uniforms have. 

I don't dispute that quality is important, but these complaints feel rather nitpicky.

I can overlook minor inaccuracies on figs in playsets but its simply inexcusable to have things like a printed waist cape for rex in a $650 UCS set only adults can afford, at that point its just LEGO being cheap and lazy.

32 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Yeah, inaccuracies can be annoying, but 99.999% of people simply don't care about the wrong number of small colourful squares on a uniform or the wrong number of some cylindrical things. Heck, I'd wager at least 90% of casual fans don't even know that these represent ranks and code cylinders respectively  I'm a huge nerd and can name countless Glup Shittos, and even I don't really know by heart which colour combination stands for which rank and how many code cylinders the uniforms have. 

I don't dispute that quality is important, but these complaints feel rather nitpicky.

Yeah, I thought I was a hardcore fan, but wow. I was part of that 90% and didn't know Boba was different in ROTJ until I saw it pointed out on this forum....

The whole building part is what got me into Lego in the first place and is still the reason I'm a fan. Instead of the endless complaints about how other themes have better minifigs, I wish Star Wars had the same "advanced playsets" that Marvel does, like the Milano (which I still might get, less because I'm a GOTG fan, more because its a cool spaceship). And no, I don't mean MBS sets like Avengers Tower, or the Cantina which don't have as many interesting build techniques in my opinion

These complaints about minifig inaccuracies are not wrong per se, but it feels like more and more like the only praise or criticism a set gets comes down to the minifigs...

38 minutes ago, ForgedInLego said:

I was part of that 90% and didn't know Boba was different in ROTJ until I saw it pointed out on this forum....

I honestly wouldn't have known, except that I have the Skiff set from 2017 that actually had a ROTJ Boba as well as the ESB one from the carbon freezing chamber so I could see the difference, and tbh I like it a lot more than any of the ESB ones just because of the colours, and I reeeeally wanted them to make a ROTJ one with arm printing but sadly no :(

I wonder why minor inaccuracies exist? 

Not sure I can spend a premium that Lego charges for a non-premium product, granted I am more of a perfectionist when it comes to the sets. 

Do we know what is going to be included in the interior of the Sail Barge yet?

2 hours ago, Legoman123 said:

Do we know what is going to be included in the interior of the Sail Barge yet?

We do not. But I would have to assume it would be similar to what is inside the Hasbro Sail Barge. (Which itself had a similar interior in terms of rooms depicted to the smaller 2013 Lego Sail Barge.)

Given the minifig selection I'd say the band area and the throne are a given.

Now on a different note, thinking about the magazine, a lot of the new figs this year were either Anniversary or rebuild the galaxy. I doubt the anniversary figs will but do we think it's possible for the rebuild the galaxy figs to come in magazine? I'd quite like a Sith Rey and Jar-Jar as well as the Jedi Vader, but I wouldn't want to pay aftermarket price for them if they might come easier later ( and while the dark falcon is a cool looking set it's a bit too big and pricey for what is basically a joke.). I'm also hoping the imperial Mandos get put I  the mag at some point but that feels quite likely anyway.

59 minutes ago, Agent Kallus said:

Given the minifig selection I'd say the band area and the throne are a given.

Now on a different note, thinking about the magazine, a lot of the new figs this year were either Anniversary or rebuild the galaxy. I doubt the anniversary figs will but do we think it's possible for the rebuild the galaxy figs to come in magazine? I'd quite like a Sith Rey and Jar-Jar as well as the Jedi Vader, but I wouldn't want to pay aftermarket price for them if they might come easier later ( and while the dark falcon is a cool looking set it's a bit too big and pricey for what is basically a joke.). I'm also hoping the imperial Mandos get put I  the mag at some point but that feels quite likely anyway.

I think commando imperials, and the Mandolorian from the BP are certain to appear, I also think the praetorian will come as well as a fleet trooper. Paz and moff Gideon as well as Kelleren beq have a good chance.

outside chance I’d say the B2 droid, maybe jabba and the night trooper from the duel set. 
 

I’d be pleasantly surprised if the anniversary figures did come in the magazines and I don’t think they’d put the RTG figures in them 

 

4 hours ago, QuiggoldsPegLeg said:

We do not. But I would have to assume it would be similar to what is inside the Hasbro Sail Barge. (Which itself had a similar interior in terms of rooms depicted to the smaller 2013 Lego Sail Barge.)

See for me I was hoping to get something similar to the blueprint interior, I think seeing what they did with AT-AT & Razor Crest is the best of both worlds, i'd at least like to see the area for the band and where Jabba sits but also prison cells, kitchen, bedroom (even just one) and hopefully an armoury and cockpit area as well. 

22 hours ago, ForgedInLego said:

These complaints about minifig inaccuracies are not wrong per se, but it feels like more and more like the only praise or criticism a set gets comes down to the minifigs...

Most builds are actually good, I think. And if they are not, one can change them. That is the beauty of Lego. I found Shin Hati's starfighter's proportions wrong, so I rebuilt it. I found Baylan's hair piece to be a bad choice, so I used another (and added shoulder armour). But unless I buy unlicensed third-party items, there is little I can do to improve Fox and his pink armour plate.

People tend to complain about things which cannot be improved at home, like stickers instead of prints, or minifig quality.

 

22 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

I don't dispute that quality is important, but these complaints feel rather nitpicky.

I agree, they might be when talking about a 20€ toy, but certainly not when dealing with a 650€ adult collector’s item – one that is actually labelled Ultimate Collector Series.

Lego is much more than a toy company, it actively and openly aims at adults, too. We can argue back and forth about the target audience for a regular LSW set, lacking hard data anyway. But just ignoring quality control issues by saying it is for kids and kids do not care... does not feel right to me.

As mentioned before, Lego does charge premium prices and claims to be the best.

 

Edited August 19, 2024Aug 19 by Flieger

I forgot who it was from Lucasfilm that said this (although I'd bet it was Doug Chiang) - what makes ships and characters so unique and recognisable above all is their silhouette. 

When it comes to printing inaccuracies, on a personal level I'm super lax about details like the number of code cylinders on an Imperial - however I do completely understand why it would bother people (but then again I'm one of the few that didn't really care about the burn marks on Anakin and Obi-Wan's robes in 2020, so yeah). Especially when LSW products are priced at such a premium despite the sheer number of shortcuts these sets often take.

But when it comes to a minifigure's profile and silhouette, that's when things really begin to annoy me. Small things like not giving some characters backpacks to bulk them up, the omission of kamas, and more recently the omission of side capes for characters like Boba Fett especially just feel plain wrong. There's something really charming about when minifigures are paired with brickbuilt or cloth accessories and seeing a reduction in that as of late is quite sad. Heck, I'd argue that even Mando should include some sort of side cloth accessory even if he does wear his jetpack all the time. These are small things, yet because they affect a figure's silhouette I personally feel they're more annoying than printing inaccuracies.

@ForgedInLego I agree about wanting to see more Milano-quality ships from this theme, however I also think it's a drawback of OT and OT-adjacent era vehicles that they just look a little boring on a surface level. Still iconic, still desirable, but in terms of colour and geometry we all know what to expect most of the time. I think a T-6 with a similar price-point and piece count to this year's Milano would actually be amazing, however unfortunately most ships that aren't from the Prequel Trilogy simply won't pop as much because of the source material. Plus Star Wars ships in general (outside of single-pilot fighters) are so absurdly oversized most of the time that translating them into a Lego set that's fun to play with whilst achieving a decent interior is seldom an easy task.

Edited August 19, 2024Aug 19 by Kaijumeister

3 hours ago, Flieger said:

there is little I can do to improve Fox and his pink armour plate.

 

3 hours ago, Flieger said:

but certainly not when dealing with a 650€ adult collector’s item

I have all these figs and I agree with your first point, Fox is irredeemably bad in so many ways. But Yularen's belt buckle I personally don't care too much about. I've come to peace with the printed kama Rex just because the investor reaction to the identical microfighter Rex (who obviously can't have a cloth kama) was pretty funny

2 hours ago, Kaijumeister said:

I agree about wanting to see more Milano-quality ships from this theme, however I also think it's a drawback of OT and OT-adjacent era vehicles that they just look a little boring on a surface level. Still iconic, still desirable, but in terms of colour and geometry we all know what to expect most of the time. I think a T-6 with a similar price-point and piece count to this year's Milano would actually be amazing, however unfortunately most ships that aren't from the Prequel Trilogy simply won't pop as much because of the source material. Plus Star Wars ships in general (outside of single-pilot fighters) are so absurdly oversized most of the time that translating them into a Lego set that's fun to play with whilst achieving a decent interior is seldom an easy task.

Yeah, I came to that realization too after I posted. The only ships that are even close are the Lamba Shuttle and the other [Greek Letter] Shuttles, but I don't want to wishlist too hard

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not, the Acolyte got cancelled.

Looks like this will be the only show not to get even a single set. That's a shame because Qimir would have made a really cool minifigure.

50 minutes ago, Stefanisimo said:

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not, the Acolyte got cancelled.

Looks like this will be the only show not to get even a single set. That's a shame because Qimir would have made a really cool minifigure.

You never know there is no SW series/films except for Andor next year so Lego has a whole year where if they wanted to release some normal sets on series that they’ve missed then that would be the time. (We all know they’ll release a hundred buildable droids/figures instead) 

we get Mando S3 sets over a year after release and the same for an Ahsoka set a year after release I know they are “spoiler” sets but could mean that the acolyte will come a year later and then would include Qimir as a figure. I didn’t watch any trailer so I don’t know if his helmet and reveal was a surprise or not 

53 minutes ago, Stefanisimo said:

the only show not to get even a single set

What about Droids, Ewoks, Visions, Tales of the Jedi/Empire, Clone Wars '03, or Jedi Temple Challenge? Granted, a lot of these are older/limited series, but a show simply existing does not mean that it unequivocally deserves a Lego set. Heck, I think a lot of sets based on the newer Disney+ shows haven't done super well (partly due to price, partly due to show reception), so Lego may have dodged a bullet by not mass-producing sets for the show - even if some minifigures would have been interesting for some people.

6 minutes ago, Llewop said:

but could mean that the acolyte will come a year later and then would include Qimir as a figure.

If the show was still going, I could see this possibly happening - but, now that the show is cancelled, I think the chances are extremely slim we get anything from that show.

23 minutes ago, JohnTPT17 said:

What about Droids, Ewoks, Visions, Tales of the Jedi/Empire, Clone Wars '03, or Jedi Temple Challenge? Granted, a lot of these are older/limited series, but a show simply existing does not mean that it unequivocally deserves a Lego set. Heck, I think a lot of sets based on the newer Disney+ shows haven't done super well (partly due to price, partly due to show reception), so Lego may have dodged a bullet by not mass-producing sets for the show - even if some minifigures would have been interesting for some people.

If the show was still going, I could see this possibly happening - but, now that the show is cancelled, I think the chances are extremely slim we get anything from that show.

I agree but never say never Lego been doing some weird stuff of late. They released a set for a show that hadn’t even had a trailer released officially yet. 

if there were plans for a set I feel like when they mixed the release dates of Andor, Acolyte and Skeleton crew might have thrown a spanner in the works

Yeah, I’m not optimistic about Acolyte sets anymore  Too bad as I really crave a Qimir minifig, but it can’t be helped. 

What I hope is that Lucasfilm won’t draw the wrong conclusions here, like they did with Solo. I want more stuff outside of the Skywalker Saga!