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[Rokswi]

75409 : Jango Fett's Starship

$240

2970p

Edited December 10, 2024 by Rokswi

[Classic_Spaceman]

2 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

They've got like two decades to play with. Not to mention I don't think the concept of the Emperor's Hand can't exist- Palpatine essentially cedes control of the inquisitors to Vader, so it makes sense he'd want an ace up his sleeve.

The Inquisitors are pushovers, though (as intended, since their job was just to round up Jedi stragglers), so Palpatine did not give Vader an army. Additionally, maintaining a second full-time apprentice would be a risk for Palpatine to take, as if Vader and Mara Jade ever crossed paths, they might decide to team up and overthrow him. 
The most that I can see for her (aside from an ex-Inquisitor) is that she was an Acolyte, as Dooku was before officially becoming Palpatine’s apprentice (and Ventress was to Dooku). 
The bigger issue is just the real-world logistics of including her - Do they commit to deepfaking Luke (which would be highly controversial, and has its limitations), or do they recast him? Recasting also opens the door (back) to Han and Lando returning, so that would allow for more stories with the OT characters to be told, though again that would not be without controversy (and the feeling from some that Disney is giving up on new content in favour of “remaking”/“rehashing” the OT). 
 

2 minutes ago, Rokswi said:

75409 : Jango Fett's Starship

$230

2970p

Not bad from a PPP standpoint - We shall see how it looks! 
 

[Mandalorianknight]

3 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

The Inquisitors are pushovers, though (as intended, since their job was just to round up Jedi stragglers), so Palpatine did not give Vader an army. Additionally, maintaining a second full-time apprentice would be a risk for Palpatine to take, as if Vader and Mara Jade ever crossed paths, they might decide to team up and overthrow him. 
The most that I can see for her (aside from an ex-Inquisitor) is that she was an Acolyte, as Dooku was before officially becoming Palpatine’s apprentice (and Ventress was to Dooku). 
The bigger issue is just the real-world logistics of including her - Do they commit to deepfaking Luke (which would be highly controversial, and has its limitations), or do they recast him? Recasting also opens the door (back) to Han and Lando returning, so that would allow for more stories with the OT characters to be told, though again that would not be without controversy (and the feeling from some that Disney is giving up on new content in favour of “remaking”/“rehashing” the OT). 

She was never his full on apprentice, she was his Emperor's Hand, a sort of special agent. I don't see any reason why it can't be the same thing here. He never attempts to fully turn her to the dark side/make her a sith.

I agree Luke is the bigger issue, but I have to assume we're getting a recast (potentially one that's then digitally touched up a bit) Luke at some point. And I don't think, say, a Thrawn Trilogy adaption where the Big Three retain some portion of their roles from the books could reasonably be seen as rehashing/remaking the OT anymore than the clone wars is a remake of the prequels.

3 hours ago, Rokswi said:

75409 : Jango Fett's Starship

$240

2970p

suspiciously good PPP ratio. This must include a lot of dark tan 1x1s to represent the asteroid field.

[Erock7]

So did the alleged UCS Ewok Village turn into the buildable Ewok? Or perhaps maybe we still get the Ewok Village, just not part of the initial releases for 2025

[Kit Figsto]

3 hours ago, Erock7 said:

So did the alleged UCS Ewok Village turn into the buildable Ewok? Or perhaps maybe we still get the Ewok Village, just not part of the initial releases for 2025

We don’t know.  There’s been no confirmed MBS Ewok Village (or any MBS set, for that matter), so anything has just been speculation.

However, some leakers have heavily hinted at something Endor related (which is unlikely to be a set we already know about, because why hint at it?), and we are due for an MBS since the Cantina is retiring(/already retired?).  Cloud City and the Cantina check off the first two major MBS-quality locations, which doesn’t leave a ton of options for the next one (especially when you consider that we’ve essentially had MBS models of the Death Star and Hoth, they just didn’t have the nameplate).  The next most popular location is probably Endor, before they’d move on to prequel MBS sets.

tl;dr - we don’t know, but the speculation does have some logic behind it.

[Flawless Cowboy]

5 hours ago, Kit Figsto said:

which doesn’t leave a ton of options for the next one (especially when you consider that we’ve essentially had MBS models of the Death Star and Hoth, they just didn’t have the nameplate)

Lego remakes UCS sets, there’s no reason for them to not remake MBS sets, especially when Hoth, Death Star, and Cloud City were designed as ugly but functional playsets, whereas the Cantina was designed to look good on a shelf, the first “adult” MBS. There’s many other locations for them to explore, Yavin temple, Jabba’s Palace, Petranaki Arena would top my list. 

Edited December 11, 2024 by Flawless Cowboy

[CallumPears]

3 hours ago, Flawless Cowboy said:

Lego remakes UCS sets, there’s no reason for them to not remake MBS sets, especially when Hoth, Death Star, and Cloud City were designed as ugly but functional playsets, whereas the Cantina was designed to look good on a shelf, the first “adult” MBS. There’s many other locations for them to explore, Yavin temple, Jabba’s Palace, Petranaki Arena would top my list. 

Yeah Hoth especially is one I actually want them to remake and also let's not forget that the previous Assault on Hoth retired only 1 year after the Ewok Village (end of 2017 vs end of 2016). That set was just so badly done and was a blatant ripoff of the 1980 Kenner playset, shown by the same incorrect details such as only having 3 disks on the power generator and having a Yavin-style turret (fun fact the designers claimed in the promo video that that was their idea, which seems unlikely to me since it was from that old Kenner toy and there are other similarities to that toy in the set). 

For me it was those inaccuracies combined with a not-great minifigure selection and a bunch of other issues like how much exposed technic there was which made 75098 a bad set, not the fact that it had a "UCS" label on it. 

(Also I need a Wes Janson figure that doesn't require me selling a kidney.)

[Kit Figsto]

9 hours ago, Flawless Cowboy said:

Lego remakes UCS sets, there’s no reason for them to not remake MBS sets, especially when Hoth, Death Star, and Cloud City were designed as ugly but functional playsets, whereas the Cantina was designed to look good on a shelf, the first “adult” MBS. There’s many other locations for them to explore, Yavin temple, Jabba’s Palace, Petranaki Arena would top my list. 

An MBS Yavin seems unlikely to me since the system set is already scheduled to retire, and I saw it in clearance aisles this past spring.  It doesn't seem to have sold all that well.  While you're right about UCS remakes, I just have a hard time seeing them already remaking Cloud City or Hoth.  The Ewok Village was at least 10+ years ago, and we don't get a lot of Endor stuff to begin with, whereas Cloud City only retired 5-ish years ago, and Hoth was also, what, 7 years ago, and we consistently get a lot of Hoth sets.  A Death Star remake at some point is likely since the original/updated version, combined, were on shelves for like fifteen years.  I'd love to see Jabba's Palace, but I wonder if it being out at the same time as the Sail Barge would be a positive or negative for it - honestly, I'm not sure.  

[Mandalorianknight]

18 hours ago, Erock7 said:

So did the alleged UCS Ewok Village turn into the buildable Ewok? Or perhaps maybe we still get the Ewok Village, just not part of the initial releases for 2025

I think we're likely getting both. IIRC the Ewok had been explicitly reported on, and we've had plenty of hints towards an endor D2C. (Though I don't believe any specify it as an ewok village, it could easily be the bunker or a combination of the two)

[Flawless Cowboy]

2 hours ago, Kit Figsto said:

An MBS Yavin seems unlikely to me since the system set is already scheduled to retire, and I saw it in clearance aisles this past spring.  It doesn't seem to have sold all that well. 

The Yavin playset looks like a junior’s toy. An MBS rendition would look glorious by comparison. Lego also released a playset cantina in 2018 which retired the following year, and the MBS version came out in 2020.

[Kit Figsto]

45 minutes ago, Flawless Cowboy said:

The Yavin playset looks like a junior’s toy. An MBS rendition would look glorious by comparison. Lego also released a playset cantina in 2018 which retired the following year, and the MBS version came out in 2020.

Fair point, but the 2018 Cantina was like a $35-40 set, if I remember correctly, with the main attraction being that it came with Wuher for the first time.  It was more reminiscent of the original Cantina from 2003 versus the remake in 2013, which is the only large playset Cantina we've gotten.  It just seems that the large Yavin didn't sell very well (because of sales + an early retirement compared to some other large sets that stick around for 2-3 years).  Whether that was because of the model itself or the fact that it wasn't as desirable of a location as had been hoped is a question that I don't think anyone can answer, but I don't think it bodes particularly well for an 18+ version if the one time we got a playscale version, it had a "meh" reaction.

I agree that an MBS Yavin would look fantastic, but to do it justice, you'd be talking about a $400-500 price point at least.  Would that sell better than something Endor related at the same price point?  Or Echo Base, Jabba's Palace, the Geonosis Arena, or the Jedi Temple, also at the same price point?  I hesitate to say yes.

[mirkwoodspiders]

On 12/10/2024 at 4:21 PM, Rokswi said:

75409 : Jango Fett's Starship

$240

2970p

Holy smokes. 75060 has 1984 pieces and that feels massive. I'm really interested to see how the scale changes with another 1,000+ pieces. 

[Classic_Spaceman]

5 minutes ago, mirkwoodspiders said:

Holy smokes. 75060 has 1984 pieces and that feels massive. I'm really interested to see how the scale changes with another 1,000+ pieces. 

I suspect that it will be slightly larger (restricted by the cockpit canopy size) and also have an interior - The cockpit seat needs to be wide enough for two Minifigs to sit side-by-side ("After we're done, we can go get some ice cream") and there needs to be a place to store seismic charges (with a dropping feature!); the interior will likely be based on a combination of cross-section artwork and what we see in The Mandalorian/TBoBF. 
 

[Flawless Cowboy]

2 hours ago, Kit Figsto said:

I don't think it bodes particularly well for an 18+ version if the one time we got a playscale version, it had a "meh" reaction.

One is designed for kids, the other for adults. The impressions of adults towards the 8+ set should have no bearing on a potential MBS set.

2 hours ago, Kit Figsto said:

Would that sell better than something Endor related at the same price point?  Or Echo Base, Jabba's Palace, the Geonosis Arena, or the Jedi Temple, also at the same price point?  I hesitate to say yes.

I would too, and yet a UCS Boba’s Slave I would surely outsell Jango’s, but LSW has proven it’s not afraid to try new things (within reason). 

[CallumPears]

6 hours ago, Kit Figsto said:

The Ewok Village was at least 10+ years ago, and we don't get a lot of Endor stuff to begin with, whereas Cloud City only retired 5-ish years ago, and Hoth was also, what, 7 years ago,

If we go by retirement dates, the Ewok Village was only 1 year before Hoth. 

(Still agree that a new Village is definitely way more important, if nothing else due to the brittle brown issues)

[Brickwraith]

2 hours ago, Flawless Cowboy said:

I would too, and yet a UCS Boba’s Slave I would surely outsell Jango’s, but LSW has proven it’s not afraid to try new things (within reason). 

I think that there's more merit to them doing Jango's than people give credit. Lego has certainly seen how popular prequels sets are among younger AFOLs nowadays (as we can see from the abundance of clone sets in recent years), and with a previous Boba's Slave One existing, you might see a marginally larger number of people who want to own both variants since so many people think the Boba one was already perfect. I would still hesitate to say that Boba's wouldn't sell more, obviously the majority of Star Wars fans prefer the OT version, but I think there was good rational for picking Jango's.

[Alexandrina]

On 12/10/2024 at 10:22 PM, Classic_Spaceman said:

The Inquisitors are pushovers, though (as intended, since their job was just to round up Jedi stragglers), so Palpatine did not give Vader an army. Additionally, maintaining a second full-time apprentice would be a risk for Palpatine to take, as if Vader and Mara Jade ever crossed paths, they might decide to team up and overthrow him. 

IIRC Mara was at least to a certain extent controlled by Palpatine during his lifetime - it was why his death was so traumatic for her, as the link was broken. (And why she hates Luke to begin with, as she inherited Palpatine's hatred)

On 12/10/2024 at 10:22 PM, Classic_Spaceman said:

The bigger issue is just the real-world logistics of including her - Do they commit to deepfaking Luke (which would be highly controversial, and has its limitations), or do they recast him? Recasting also opens the door (back) to Han and Lando returning, so that would allow for more stories with the OT characters to be told, though again that would not be without controversy (and the feeling from some that Disney is giving up on new content in favour of “remaking”/“rehashing” the OT). 

I don't remember controversy when Luke appeared in The Mandalorian. If anything it was the opposite. So long as Mark Hamill's likeness was used with his blessing, I don't see why it would need to be an issue (and it would be counteracted by the hype of Mara Jade). A recast is more likely though if they need a full cast - and they've already done Han and Lando, as you say. There was a bit of gurning when it was announced but people got over it.

Honestly there are plenty of great stories you could do with Mara, and it would be easy enough to contrive a way to have her alongside Rey in the NJO trilogy too if Disney wanted to go that route. I just hope she doesn't make her triumphant appearance in something with Filoni's hands on it - he's demonstrated that he's incapable of doing justice to characters that aren't his own babies, and I'm not sure he's capable of writing a good story either (certainly he has a terrible track record of Star Wars projects). I wonder if there's the possibility for a spin-off "what could have been" series pulling from Legends, so we can get not only Mara but Jaina Solo as well

[Brickadeer]

43 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

 just hope she doesn't make her triumphant appearance in something with Filoni's hands on it - he's demonstrated that he's incapable of doing justice to characters that aren't his own babies, and I'm not sure he's capable of writing a good story either (certainly he has a terrible track record of Star Wars projects).

You're confusing here facts with arbitrary opinion.

[Alexandrina]

2 hours ago, Brickadeer said:

You're confusing here facts with arbitrary opinion.

I don't remember using the word "fact" anywhere, tbh, and I thought it was fairly obvious I was giving an opinion. And honestly the main thrust of my comment was more that it's entirely possible to do Mara in new canon (and therefore bring Mara to Lego)

[CloneCommando99]

Honestly, if the Clone Pilot set is indeed a V-19 Torrent (unlikely and pointless as the ARC-170 makes it redundant since they are both fighters) I’ll have to pass on it. I don’t really like the V-19’s design, and feel like there’s a good reason for why the ARC-170 and Z-95 replaced it in TCW.

 

 

[ARC2149Nova]

4 hours ago, Brickadeer said:

You're confusing here facts with arbitrary opinion.

Funny, I actually agree with her assessment.

Case in point: Thrawn...

 

1 hour ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Honestly, if the Clone Pilot set is indeed a V-19 Torrent (unlikely and pointless as the ARC-170 makes it redundant since they are both fighters) I’ll have to pass on it. I don’t really like the V-19’s design, and feel like there’s a good reason for why the ARC-170 and Z-95 replaced it in TCW.

V-19 is superior to the Z-95 and I will fight any who dare say otherwise. Also, they fill two distinct roles: the V-19 is a dogfighter, ARC-170 is a Capital Killer. The reason that the V-19 was replaced in TCW had nothing to do with design (which, in Legends, it served the entire war), but more to do with the visual transition to Phase II (which, the Venator-class should've also been absent until Phase II, but I digress). But, it's true replacement should have been the Nimbus-class, AKA the V-Wing. God only knows why Filoni decided to use the Z-95 as the mainline fighter instead of its pre-existing (and quite capable) counterparts.

P.S. Yes I know the Z-95 was a Legends vessel, but more commonly associated with the Rise of Rebellion Era, not the Clone Wars.

Going by the movies/CWMMP, the visual path from Phase I-II of the war is as follows: V-19 - ARC-170, Acclamator - Venator, Delta-7 - ETA-2, etc.

[Coryo]

1 hour ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Honestly, if the Clone Pilot set is indeed a V-19 Torrent (unlikely and pointless as the ARC-170 makes it redundant since they are both fighters) I’ll have to pass on it. I don’t really like the V-19’s design, and feel like there’s a good reason for why the ARC-170 and Z-95 replaced it in TCW.

What was the specific wording of the Clone Pilot rumour? I hope a new V-Wing is in the pipeline but if it's a Phase I Pilot it probably wouldn't be that.

Lamest scenario would be something like a Republic Gunship Microfighter

5 hours ago, Alexandrina said:

I just hope she doesn't make her triumphant appearance in something with Filoni's hands on it - he's demonstrated that he's incapable of doing justice to characters that aren't his own babies, and I'm not sure he's capable of writing a good story either (certainly he has a terrible track record of Star Wars projects).

The Mara Jade/Ahsoka/Hera/Sabine stoic arm-crossing contest gonna go hard in Ahsoka season 3

[Classic_Spaceman]

9 minutes ago, ARC2149Nova said:

But, it's true replacement should have been the Nimbus-class, AKA the V-Wing. God only knows why Filoni decided to use the Z-95 as the mainline fighter instead of its pre-existing (and quite capable) counterparts.

The V-wing seems to have been a late-war development, as we rarely see them in TCW, but they are becoming the Empire’s standard fighter by TBB. 
I think that the reason for using the Z-95 during later seasons of TCW and saving the V-wing for RotS and TBB is for the sake of a visual transition from the Republic to the Empire. The Z-95 is a precursor to the X-wing, so it is viewed as more heroic, while the V-wing is a predecessor to the TIE Fighter. 
 

[ARC2149Nova]

21 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

The V-wing seems to have been a late-war development, as we rarely see them in TCW, but they are becoming the Empire’s standard fighter by TBB. 
I think that the reason for using the Z-95 during later seasons of TCW and saving the V-wing for RotS and TBB is for the sake of a visual transition from the Republic to the Empire. The Z-95 is a precursor to the X-wing, so it is viewed as more heroic, while the V-wing is a predecessor to the TIE Fighter. 
 

Z-95 is a precursor to the X-Wing, yes. But you know what else is a precursor to the X-Wing?

The ARC-170.

Yes, the V-Wing was a late war development, but, the transition from Phase I-II serves as an obvious indicator of the Republic-Empire transition. After all, the Empire is the Republic, just a far more corrupted version of it. Phase II Helmets, Venators, ETA-2s, V-Wings, they're all to signal the rise of the Empire. The Z-95 was a shoehorn, as like I mentioned before, the V-19 originally was meant to serve the entire war, only replaced about midway by the ARC-170 and complemented by the V-Wing. The V-Wing's role as an interceptor makes it the obvious replacement for the V-19, as the ARC-170 was built more like a bomber (not too dissimilar to the B-Wing).

[Mandalorianknight]

6 hours ago, Alexandrina said:

IIRC Mara was at least to a certain extent controlled by Palpatine during his lifetime - it was why his death was so traumatic for her, as the link was broken. (And why she hates Luke to begin with, as she inherited Palpatine's hatred)

 

Honestly there are plenty of great stories you could do with Mara, and it would be easy enough to contrive a way to have her alongside Rey in the NJO trilogy too if Disney wanted to go that route. I just hope she doesn't make her triumphant appearance in something with Filoni's hands on it - he's demonstrated that he's incapable of doing justice to characters that aren't his own babies, and I'm not sure he's capable of writing a good story either (certainly he has a terrible track record of Star Wars projects). I wonder if there's the possibility for a spin-off "what could have been" series pulling from Legends, so we can get not only Mara but Jaina Solo as well

Later Zahn books have shined some more light on that- it sort of seems as if he kept a bit of a looser grip in terms of active control, as her more noble morality probably helped snoop out imperial traitors, and his main method of controlling her was moreso subtly restricting her information and constantly keeping her hunting corrupt imperials. It's not stated in direct terms as the concept didn't exist yet, but what the Thrawn Trilogy seems to imply fits shockingly well with the idea that he tried to essence transfer into her at his moment of death, with a fragment of his final thoughts stuck in her head.

I think Filoni's done an excellent job with Thrawn and can't think of any characters he's failed- Boba certainly's not been great in Tbobf but if I remember correctly Filoni wasn't as involved in that, whereas he was involved with Mando, where boba's a lot stronger.

49 minutes ago, ARC2149Nova said:

Case in point: Thrawn...

I thought Thrawn was handled quite well- putting aside the canon trilogy of books, since Filoni didn't write them, Rebels and Ahsoka are both pretty solid. He's shown as very smart and competent in both- he destroys the rebel base, prevents a major rebel assault on Lothal TWICE, and only loses in the end when he's drawn away to deal with politics and upon his return is taken out by space whales, which are a total wild card from his perspective (even if the show plants the seeds for it well from Ezra's). In Ahsoka, he suceeds on a monumental level: He escapes exile with witches capable of building him an army, his flagship, and a fanatically loyal legion, with the bonus of stranding the second biggest threat to a resurgent empire out in The Beyond.

32 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

The V-wing seems to have been a late-war development, as we rarely see them in TCW, but they are becoming the Empire’s standard fighter by TBB. 
I think that the reason for using the Z-95 during later seasons of TCW and saving the V-wing for RotS and TBB is for the sake of a visual transition from the Republic to the Empire. The Z-95 is a precursor to the X-wing, so it is viewed as more heroic, while the V-wing is a predecessor to the TIE Fighter. 

Never thought about the V-wing's similarities to a TIE fighter, that's cool.