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[Samppu]

I could also defend the vision of the prequels.

Revenge of the Sith is my personal favorite as an episode, particularly the book (really, if there are some particular Star Wars books I want to recommend, it is certainly Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover as well as Thrawn-trilogy by Timothy Zahn, of course).

Yet my general point is that before the prequels, we did not really have a good idea what the Jedi were about, what was the "senate" that the emperor took over, how the Galactic Civil War and the Rebellion started in the first place, and most importantly, how Darth Vader came to be. These ideas were all created in the prequels, even if we now take them for granted.

The prequels had problems in their story telling, because they focused on wrong things and depicted some things in a weird way (e.g. judging by the looks of it, Anakin's childhood does not appear in the movies particularly oppressed as a slave...), but the general course of events was many times beautiful and tragic, as well as very Star Wars -like.

For some examples, I wouldn't change the event as such, but podracing and gungans got unnecessary amount of screen time, some of which could have been given to connect all the epic and missing parts of the whole plotline. Like imagine if we had seen a short glimpse, after or before the scenes in the Gungan city, where the Jedi council had sent the rogue master Sifo-Dyas in episode one to rescue Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, but instead of searching them on Naboo, he would have secretly gone to meet the Kaminoans, because he wanted to invervene such problems in the future with a military force, not just with a weak diplomatic shuttle with a pair of Jedis.

Or imagine if we had seen a discussion between Fang Zhaar or some other anti-military senator (Bail Organa?) and Palpatine before or after they tried to assasinate Padme in Attack of the Clones.

Bail Organa: "I believe we should still approach the Separatist movement with diplomacy."
Palpatine: "To my experience, even the Jedi could not save Naboo with diplomacy."
Fang Zhaar: "Yet with all due respect Chancellor, we still have not used all the other means, we could impose trade sanc-"
Palpatine: "Pardon me senator, but as I see it, only great enough violence can balance the force... ...between ours and theirs." *Palpatine begins to walk away, but meaningfully turns around and says with a fatherly smile, "I am sure we will yet find an agreement on this."
In the next picture the Naboo Cruiser explodes, and in the aftermath Organa and Zhaar are shown to have understood the message, when they grumpily vote for the creation of the Republic military.
Such scene would also give better motivation, why Organa is the first one to oppose Palpatine and to search for the missing Jedi after the purge in Revenge of the Sith.

You got the idea. The events themselves mostly deserve to be in the story, but they are missing their motivation.
Such scenes would also give great inspiration for mocs or even short animations.

23 minutes ago, JohnTPT17 said:

So's Anakin. And Leia and Luke lost their adopted families in their first movie.

True. Being an orphan in general is a cliche in storytelling. 

My point is that Disney even goes as far as trying to force every character into that mold for no particular reason.
Anakin had no father, because he was supposed to be born without one, through and by the Force.
Luke had no real family for obvious reasons.

But particularly Han Solo had no particular reason to be an orphan. That is just the disneytizing effect. In the Legends he is an active character from a good family who pursues a career in the Navy and who becomes a celebrated fighter ace whose friend and rival is the baron Soontir Fel. Their paths diverge, when first Solo learns to care about himself, not the system, but he does one exception by his own will, when he saves Chewbacca from slavery and they both escape and become outlaws.

Compare this to the Disney version, where he is an orphan who does not particularly pursue anything but rather tries to escape from a shitty home, and he is an anti-hero who is thrown from one place to another by accident. So much so that he even saves Chewbacca by an accident, not by his own moral decision. 

Edited October 19, 2024 by Samppu

[Darth_Bane13]

32 minutes ago, Samppu said:

Revenge of the Sith is my personal favorite as an episode, particularly the book (really, if there are some particular Star Wars books I want to recommend, it is certainly Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover as well as Thrawn-trilogy by Timothy Zahn, of course).
 

Honestly I prefer the Revenge of the Sith novel to the movie. Things in the movie seem to make more sense after reading the book, like why Anakin was so upset about not being granted the rank of master was because he wanted to access information to save Padme that only jedi masters could use. and I'd add reading labyrinth of evil before and Dark lord rise of Darth Vader after(aka dark lord trilogy).

 

43 minutes ago, JohnTPT17 said:

So's Anakin. And Leia and Luke lost their adopted families in their first movie.

Anywho, going back to bricks (as much as I do like these discussions, especially since they're staying civil) - I find it interesting that the Tanitive IV set has been on a pretty consistent sale at most places I've seen this holiday season - usually 20 percent off, but sometimes 30. I wonder if that set's actually underperforming what was expected, or maybe it's acting as a bit of a "loss leader" for Legos this holiday season? Or maybe it's just that a lot of sets seem to be on sale now? I dunno - I thought it was interesting, especially with as popular as it was when it first came out.

Anakin isn't really an orphan. I've seen a lot of praise for the Tantive IV set, so I'd assume it's pretty popular. 20% seems pretty standard for most sets nowadays.

[Shiva]

2 hours ago, Samppu said:

But particularly Han Solo had no particular reason to be an orphan. That is just the disneytizing effect. In the Legends he is an active character from a good family who pursues a career in the Navy and who becomes a celebrated fighter ace whose friend and rival is the baron Soontir Fel. Their paths diverge, when first Solo learns to care about himself, not the system, but he does one exception by his own will, when he saves Chewbacca from slavery and they both escape and become outlaws.

Compare this to the Disney version, where he is an orphan who does not particularly pursue anything but rather tries to escape from a shitty home, and he is an anti-hero who is thrown from one place to another by accident. So much so that he even saves Chewbacca by an accident, not by his own moral decision. 

Oh, so that's the Legends Han Solo?!  I have to say, I think the D version fits better with A New Hope.

From A New Hope, the ship in Minifig scale that interests me, that I do not have, is the Y-wing. Of the named ships.

[CallumPears]

2 hours ago, Samppu said:

But particularly Han Solo had no particular reason to be an orphan. That is just the disneytizing effect. In the Legends he is an active character from a good family who pursues a career in the Navy and who becomes a celebrated fighter ace whose friend and rival is the baron Soontir Fel. Their paths diverge, when first Solo learns to care about himself, not the system, but he does one exception by his own will, when he saves Chewbacca from slavery and they both escape and become outlaws.

Uh, it's been a while since I read A.C. Crispin's trilogy (some of the best books I've ever read btw) but pretty sure that has Han as an orphan living with a Corellian criminal gang. He eventually escapes, then works on Ylesia for a bit before escaping with some slaves and then joining the Empire where he meets Chewie, and so on from there.

He does have some wealthy relatives (the Sal-Solos) but he's not in contact with them.

 

As for the discussion on the Tantive hallway, it's a nice set but I would never pay the full price. It feels pretty expensive for what you get anyway even without what I'm about to say, and then you add on the dodgy Fives and Stormtrooper helmets, and for me personally the fact that I already have like a dozen of this particular Vader figure (they should've made a proper ANH version but alas they did not and instead we're still using the inaccurate-to-every-depiction hybrid-Vader) and enough Rebel Fleet Troopers from various advent calendars and the 2008 battle pack to keep me satisfied. 

I ended up buying just the build on its own for about £15 which I'm quite happy with.

Edited October 20, 2024 by CallumPears

[Samppu]

7 minutes ago, CallumPears said:

Uh, it's been a while since I read A.C. Crispin's trilogy (some of the best books I've ever read btw) but pretty sure that has Han as an orphan living with a Corellian criminal gang. He eventually escapes, then works on Ylesia for a bit before escaping with some slaves and then joining the Empire where he meets Chewie, and so on from there.

He does have some wealthy relatives (the Sal-Solos) but he's not in contact with them.

Interesting, that's news to me. Though, Legends was not entirely coherent either.

I was referring to the indirect stories about Han Solo's youth as mentioned in the Death Star novel and some other novels and in some comics and in some visual guide books. Though, those sources are sparse and indirect, not even trying to depict his story as a whole, but instead only hinting towards some selected parts, which may not always be consistent even in the sources I know. E.g. I haven't read Crispin's trilogy, so I don't know if it includes Soontir Fel, or if their connection is just made up in the Death Star novel.

But ok, I see that as a meaningful inspiration for the movie, and I will surely try to get a hand on those books.

Yet nevertheless, the Disney effect in general is real. Admittedly being an orphan is a general cliche in storytelling, but being an (often somewhat idiotic) antihero is quite Disney specific cliche. Particularly how Solo meets Chewbacca in the Disney movie does not feel like saving or taking a personal risk or making a sacrifice at all. From their initial encounter one would not catch the idea that Chewbacca would hold sacred debt towards Solo for saving his life.

[CallumPears]

8 minutes ago, Samppu said:

Interesting, that's news to me. Though, Legends was not entirely coherent either.

I was referring to the indirect stories about Han Solo's youth as mentioned in the Death Star novel and some other novels and in some comics and in some visual guide books. Though, those sources are sparse and indirect, not even trying to depict his story as a whole, but instead only hinting towards some selected parts, which may not always be consistent even in the sources I know. E.g. I haven't read Crispin's trilogy, so I don't know if it includes Soontir Fel, or if their connection is just made up in the Death Star novel.

But ok, I see that as a meaningful inspiration for the movie, and I will surely try to get a hand on those books.

Yet nevertheless, the Disney effect in general is real. Admittedly being an orphan is a general cliche in storytelling, but being an (often somewhat idiotic) antihero is quite Disney specific cliche. Particularly how Solo meets Chewbacca in the Disney movie does not feel like saving or taking a personal risk or making a sacrifice at all. From their initial encounter one would not catch the idea that Chewbacca would hold sacred debt towards Solo for saving his life.

Fel is in the trilogy, but he never meets Han face to face and it's basically a cameo appearance. I think most of his story is in the X-Wing comics which I have bought but not read yet. 

Those came out a full decade before Death Star, so it's possible that what you're referring to was either a retcon or is just referring to the family that he doesn't talk to anymore. (I have read Death Star but again it was a few years ago so I don't remember references to Han's upbringing.)

Yeah him rescuing Chewie in Legends is much more of an active thing. He gets kicked out of the Empire for disobeying an order to kill Chewie. 

 

Anyway, I think we're at risk of becoming Rancor food so to help stay on target I'm just going to add that from Reddit it seems that the Walmart podracer is pretty difficult to get hold of even legitimately. The way it works is that you buy sets then submit a receipt afterwards to get the promo, but a lot of people's are getting rejected for no obvious reason. 

Also, having seen a few more reviews of the UCS barge and spending more time working on my custom guards I'm still so disappointed with the minifigure count, the details on a few of the figures that were included (Salacious's eyes, C-3PO's leg, Leia's shorts, Bib's lekku, Wooof having no leg printing and Vizam having too much dirt on his torso), and the lack of some obvious features such as that hatch Luke pulls a guard out of while climbing up the side.

[JohnTPT17]

3 hours ago, Darth_Bane13 said:

Anakin isn't really an orphan.

How is Anakin not an orphan? He has no father, and his mother dies in his arms. That, like, the definition of an orphan. And I don't think most of the Jedi order was very familial, let alone paternal, to Anakin.

[Mandalorianknight]

5 hours ago, Rwbricks said:

That’s fair. I agree about the Throne Room scene, it’s probably Luke’s best moment (and the best moment for any Jedi, in my opinion). Additionally, Luke’s attitude in the Thrawn trilogy was fantastic, also one of my favorite parts about that. Helpful, kind, noble-but-still-learning Luke is great. If we were to get Luke content set directly after RotJ, I’d want him like that. 

The potential movie wave honestly has me extremely excited, too. It almost takes me back. I know that we can predict two of the sets from the leaked trailer,

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a new Razorcrest and an AT-AT,

   but still, the thought of getting one whole wave of (hopefully) new things dedicated to just one feature is nice. 

Yeah, Thrawn Trilogy is a great interpretation for a lot of characters. 

The 

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New Razorcrest

would be great, I feel like while the last one was good there's a lot of room for improvment.

5 hours ago, Samppu said:

Every main character has to be an orphan. Check.
No violence, particularly not to any character with a human face. Check.
No questionable morals, not even in the criminal underworld. Check.
No personal incentive, that is, the main characters tend to be anti-heroes instead of heroes, which means that they are pulled into an adventure by an external force and they do their deeds rather as a result of an accident or a must, not as an act of their own choice with consequences. Check that too. 

I don't think they "disneyfied" star wars, at least not with any of these-

Luke was an orphan. Anakin is pretty much an orphan. Many other major SW characters either lose their parents as kids (starkiller, boba, etc), never knew them (99% of the jedi), or are otherwise orphans (Han).

There is a TON of violence in the sequels (and disney star wars as a whole TBH- on that topic George didn't want players being able to shoot anyone with a face in the games). I don't know where this one comes from- lots of people die, Kylo digs his saber into Finn's back and knocks him into a coma, etc.

There aren't many questionable morals and that is a flaw, but this was a thing in star wars beforehand.

This literally happens to both Anakin and Luke.

[CloneCommando99]

On the topic of the Mando and Grogu movie

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We’re definitely getting some sort of ATRT.

 

i just hope that we don’t get another Snow Trooper BP.

 

I’ve realised that the next Lego Star Destroyer (play-set) will probably be a Chimera. 

2017: FO destroyer
2021: Imperial light cruiser

2024: ISD

If Lego continues this 3-4 year gap of capital ship playsets the next one should be in 2027/28

That’s around when the Heir to the empire movie is supposed to realise. And which capital ship will feature prominently? The Chimera.

Edited October 20, 2024 by CloneCommando99

[Alexandrina]

9 hours ago, Samppu said:

Additionally and even more unfortunately, this incoherence does not concern only the plot but also the lore and the world building. The Last Jedi introduces ballistic turbolaser guns for no particular reason. Solo depicts Corellia as a dirty and depressing planet, even if every other piece of the lore depicts it as a jewel among the Core Worlds. Jedi video game series introduces stim healing sticks, even if the lore and other video games before it have used bacta canisters (the game is otherwise excellent, though). Such carelessness gives me the feeling that either the creators do not really understand Star Wars or they don't care, because these kinds of changes to the lore have no particular functional relevance. You could have a healing bacta canister and call it bacta instead of stim, and it would work the same, but would better fit the lore.

I don't understand this paragraph as a defence of the prequels over the sequels - both because all three examples are what I would describe as 'nitpicking' (I genuinely cannot see what the issue is with any of them) but also because two of them aren't even from the sequels. Honestly, I love the sequels (I'd rate TFA and TLJ in my top five Star Wars films, TROS a little lower but not at the bottom) but ballistic turbolasers are not an issue. If that was the worst thing the sequels had, they'd be universally adored.

And I disagree with the idea that changes to lore have no have function. A lot of lore is worldbuilding - and with a world the size of Star Wars, you'd expect there to be more than one type of medicine. More than one region of even wealthy planets (Coruscant is the core of galactic civilisation, and it still has a seedy underbelly; why shouldn't Corellia have deprived industrial areas?) Limiting lore to what's already established just keeps the world small - and taken to an extreme, means everything after ANH is contradictory. We certainly don't have any indication there that Vader is Luke's father, or Leia his sister. There's no whispers of midi-chlorians.

8 hours ago, Samppu said:

Yet my general point is that before the prequels, we did not really have a good idea what the Jedi were about, what was the "senate" that the emperor took over, how the Galactic Civil War and the Rebellion started in the first place, and most importantly, how Darth Vader came to be. These ideas were all created in the prequels, even if we now take them for granted.

The prequels had problems in their story telling, because they focused on wrong things and depicted some things in a weird way (e.g. judging by the looks of it, Anakin's childhood does not appear in the movies particularly oppressed as a slave...), but the general course of events was many times beautiful and tragic, as well as very Star Wars -like.

These two paragraphs are contradictory imo. The prequel trilogy is very Star Wars-like, sure - because the first part of it is a quarter of a century old now, and even the last part is nearly twenty years old, and because we've been inculcated in prequel-related media for most of those twenty years. If you look at the prequels in comparison to what Star Wars was before TPM, it's very different. The prequels have very overt politics (in the sense of literally seeing votes in the senate chamber, not in the sense of the writer having something to say), they have flashy, fast-paced lightsaber duels that mostly prioritise spectacle over pathos (exception here for Anakin vs Obi-Wan in ROTS), they take steps to apply science to the Force, large elements are targeted at kids in a way the OT never was (see: Jar-Jar Binks). Most of these things are the very reasons the prequel trilogy was reviled for years, until the demographic that grew up on it came of age. Even stuff like the Lego games has incorporated the prequels from the start.

Where the sequels don't feel Star Wars-like yet is because we haven't yet had much (any?) media set in the same era. In fifteen years' time when we have another three Rey films, probably a TV series, and a handful of books/video games, taking cues from the sequel trilogy, it'll be a different story.

[Llewop]

To come back on to Lego and current sets. When will the 2025 forum be open as 2024 is all done and we are in the season of getting some 2025 picture leaks in other themes. 

here’s hoping we get some pics soon. 

[Darth_Bane13]

11 hours ago, JohnTPT17 said:

How is Anakin not an orphan? He has no father, and his mother dies in his arms. That, like, the definition of an orphan. And I don't think most of the Jedi order was very familial, let alone paternal, to Anakin.

well he has no father it doesn't mean his father died and Anakin was an adult when his mother died, to be technically considered an orphan you have to be a child under 18. Luke and Anakin we're both 19 when they lost their parents so technically they're not orphans.

[QuiggoldsPegLeg]

I feel like everyone’s getting a little off topic here…

[Mandalorianknight]

8 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

On the topic of the Mando and Grogu movie

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We’re definitely getting some sort of ATRT.

 

i just hope that we don’t get another Snow Trooper BP.

 

I’ve realised that the next Lego Star Destroyer (play-set) will probably be a Chimera. 

*logic*

I agree on the former, probably as the $20ish set as a cheap way to get Mando and Grogu. 

I think you're right about the Chimera too, especially if it has that gold kintsugi still.

1 hour ago, Darth_Bane13 said:

 Luke and Anakin we're both 19 when they lost their parents so technically they're not orphans.

Anakin was taken from his mom when he was 9 and never had a father. Luke's mom died when he was an infant and he didn't meet his father until he was 19. (Also, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru are not Luke's parents? What?)

[Lego Nostalgia]

3 hours ago, QuiggoldsPegLeg said:

I feel like everyone’s getting a little off topic here…

Wouldn't be the first time a Eurobricks thread went off topic :D

2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I agree on the former, probably as the $20ish set as a cheap way to get Mando and Grogu. 

I think you're right about the Chimera too, especially if it has that gold kintsugi still.

Anakin was taken from his mom when he was 9 and never had a father. Luke's mom died when he was an infant and he didn't meet his father until he was 19. (Also, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru are not Luke's parents? What?)

A new AT-AT might happen for that movie too from the trailer, last playscale one was in 2020 and the UCS one is retiring 

[Darth_Bane13]

2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Anakin was taken from his mom when he was 9 and never had a father. Luke's mom died when he was an infant and he didn't meet his father until he was 19. (Also, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru are not Luke's parents? What?)

The Anakin part is tricky because to be an orphan typically means to lose at least one parent as a minor, his father never even existed though since he was born from the force. Obviously in the real world this is impossible so there's no clear answer here. As for Luke, if you're adopted you are no longer considered an orphan (especially adopted as newborn infant). I knew a kid who was adopted very little and he definitely doesn't consider himself an orphan.

[AD_Bricks]

4 hours ago, Darth_Bane13 said:

well he has no father it doesn't mean his father died and Anakin was an adult when his mother died, to be technically considered an orphan you have to be a child under 18. Luke and Anakin we're both 19 when they lost their parents so technically they're not orphans.

 

16 minutes ago, Darth_Bane13 said:

The Anakin part is tricky because to be an orphan typically means to lose at least one parent as a minor, his father never even existed though since he was born from the force. Obviously in the real world this is impossible so there's no clear answer here. As for Luke, if you're adopted you are no longer considered an orphan (especially adopted as newborn infant). I knew a kid who was adopted very little and he definitely doesn't consider himself an orphan.

We're getting very nitpicky about the orphan thing... I think the general point is that Disney uses lack of parents as a character trope too often, which definitely applies to Luke, Anakin, Han, etc. It's not even that big of a deal and definitely isn't on topic.

[Yperio_Bricks]

Buildable Ewok anyone? (new rumor which i hope turns out to be a false one.)

[CloneCommando99]

13 minutes ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

Buildable Ewok anyone? (new rumor which i hope turns out to be a false one.)

Sure. It’ll look great next to the upcoming buildable Glup Shitto.

 

[Yperio_Bricks]

1 minute ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Sure. It’ll look great next to the upcoming buildable Glup Shitto.

 

Maybe they think the buildable fur looks good on Chewie, so they double down on this

I mean, there a good looking buildable statues like C-3PO or even creatures, like Disney's Stitch, but Chewie and an Ewok? Nah.

[Alexandrina]

45 minutes ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

Buildable Ewok anyone?

You could combine it with the new Skiff and Sail Barge sets and make that weird Sandbox level from Lego Star Wars II! 

[Coryo]

I'd take a buildable Ewok over the third or fourth Venomized Baby Yoda or whatever the hell they're doing

(gimme a 1:1 buildable Babu Frik tho)

[Flawless Cowboy]

Buildable Ewok to coincide with Ewok Village please!

[Lego Nostalgia]

Buildable Burnt Anakin ? Extra crispy

I feel like the Buildable characters biggest flaw is getting the face right, if they're not a droid that is,Look at Chewbacca and Gru, that right there is scarier than the thought of a Jokerized Batmobile

[Yperio_Bricks]

3 hours ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

I feel like the Buildable characters biggest flaw is getting the face right,

Exactly! They often look horrible.

Looks like the buildable Ewok romur has been removed from the LSWL subreddit [EDIT: It's back! 18+, 90$]