Marvel Superheroes 2024 - Rumors & Discussion

[Agent Kallus]

2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

What? I loved the shazam movies! The second one was a little weaker- although also the funniest DC movie- but the first one was legitimately great.

I've only actually seen the first one. But I didn't say I disliked it just that I prefer the Marvel Captain Marvel movies. The Shazam movie was fun but kinda failed to leave an impression. Also the Guy playing Shazam really didn't feel like he was the same person as Billy, like he acted as if he was playing a much  younger kid in an adults body. 

[Lego Nostalgia]

1 hour ago, JeanGreyForever said:

A Madripoor set for Wolverine. Since Madripoor has shown up in the MCU and will be a major setting in the upcoming Wolverine video game. Could include Sabretooth, Mystique, Lady Deathstrike, or Omega Red as a villain.

Similarly, they could do a Wolverine set based in Japan with ninjas and the Silver Samurai. Using a basic dojo as the backdrop.

Asteroid M is a major location. Could easily feature a few X-Men, Magneto, and some Brotherhood characters.

And even the first X-Men set was just a basic helicopter belonging to Deadpool. They could just include some generic vehicles like that, whether a cycle, plane, car, etc. themed to whichever character they'd want to include.

Deadpool is not off the table anymore since he showed up in the Disney+ Special and He will be in Avengers Secret Wars, I hope we get that version we saw in the special next year, Prints on him were new except for the head, would be nice to get a remake of the chopper showdown

[Mandalorianknight]

1 hour ago, JeanGreyForever said:

And even the first X-Men set was just a basic helicopter belonging to Deadpool. They could just include some generic vehicles like that, whether a cycle, plane, car, etc. themed to whichever character they'd want to include.

I am somewhat surprised we haven't had a wolvmobile yet. It's strange.

(It would have to come with Wolverized Venomarine, as you know.)

46 minutes ago, Agent Kallus said:

I've only actually seen the first one. But I didn't say I disliked it just that I prefer the Marvel Captain Marvel movies. The Shazam movie was fun but kinda failed to leave an impression. Also the Guy playing Shazam really didn't feel like he was the same person as Billy, like he acted as if he was playing a much  younger kid in an adults body. 

The scene where he finds his mom and realizes that his childhood dream of finding his parents was built on his false perception that he was separated from his mom rather than the truth that his mom abandoned him hit me pretty hard. But you're absolutely right that in terms of connections or worldbuilding type of impact there's not much aside from the somewhat disconcerting notion that Snyder Batman has merch in his universe.

As for the second part, that was intentional. He's had to mature past his age due to his circumstances, so when he becomes an "adult" with powers he acts more childlike than before- the movie's not the only time they've done this.

[Agent Kallus]

11 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

As for the second part, that was intentional. He's had to mature past his age due to his circumstances, so when he becomes an "adult" with powers he acts more childlike than before- the movie's not the only time they've done this.

I can sorta see that that's what they were going for but I'm still not quite sure they pulled it off TBH. I prefer Captain Marvel (Shazam)'s adaption in young justice S1, the DCAMU and the DCAU. And you make a good point that this movie really doesn't fit into the wider universe it's supposed to be part of very well, the batman merch being a prime example of that. But yeah it's not a bad movie but it's a bit underwhelming for a character I quite like.

[JeanGreyForever]

2 hours ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

Deadpool is not off the table anymore since he showed up in the Disney+ Special and He will be in Avengers Secret Wars, I hope we get that version we saw in the special next year, Prints on him were new except for the head, would be nice to get a remake of the chopper showdown

Yes, a remake of the chopper showdown set would make perfect sense. Something that brings Deadpool and Wolverine in the same set together. They can swap out Magneto for a new villain or two, like Sabretooth. 

I can maybe see Deadpool popping up in a Spider-Man set as well. 

1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I am somewhat surprised we haven't had a wolvmobile yet. It's strange.

(It would have to come with Wolverized Venomarine, as you know.)

the Spider-Man: Web of Shadows game actually featured a Venomized Wolverine.

 

[Lego Nostalgia]

4 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

Yes, a remake of the chopper showdown set would make perfect sense. Something that brings Deadpool and Wolverine in the same set together. They can swap out Magneto for a new villain or two, like Sabretooth. 

I can maybe see Deadpool popping up in a Spider-Man set as well. 

the Spider-Man: Web of Shadows game actually featured a Venomized Wolverine.

 

Spider-Man set is a big possibility, so many characters can fit in his sets, Daredevil,Punisher and Blade and other Street Level Characters all have the chance to show up

I just wish we got Bullseye and Kingpin, someday I'm sure, someday

[psqidexslizer]

11 hours ago, poisonbricks said:

I definitely agree that all these figures should be made, but I can't really think of much else that could be done in the way of models that'd be appealing to the average shopper - Sentinel, absolutely. Master Mold or the Wild Sentinel? I'd like them, but will most people care enough for the larger price tag? And beyond that... Stratojet? Another plane thing... and I'm lost on many other ideas.

• Danger Room
• Cerebro
• Brickbuilt Mojo
• Sinister’s lab
• Asteroid M
• Genosha
• Shiar Spacecraft
• Wolverine’s Motorcyle

And that’s not taking into account things that don’t make sense like a Wolverine car or a Storm jet.

[psqidexslizer]

14 hours ago, wesker said:

I hope they can keep the momentum going forward when Season 2 rolls round in 2026. It would be a shame if the X-Men sets dried up until the films start up again post-Secret Wars and Doomsday. There's still a lot of ground to cover and I think the three main areas that need to be focused on before the MCU takes over are:

• Completing the '97 Roster (Jubilee, Nightcrawler, Morph, Cable, Sunspot and Forge)
• Release the remaining core X-Men from the comics (Colossus, Kitty Pryde, Angel, Emma Frost and Psylocke)
• Expand the roster of villains beyond Magneto

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I would rather get the remaining core comic cast over the remaining X-Men ‘97 cast. Jubilee, Morph, Forge, and Sunspot don’t do much for me while Kitty, Nightcrawler, and Emma Frost are among my favorite comic book characters.

More villains are overdue. Sabertooth, Mr Sinister, and Mystique in particular. Heck, Mystique is the only character besides Magento and Prof X to appear in every live action X-Men movie (obviously only counting the 7 X-Men movies here and not the Wolverine, Deadpool, or New Mutants movies).

[Agent Kallus]

Well from the original survey leak we know that at one point Emma Frost, Mystique, and Sabertooth we're all considered by TLG.

[BoyLego]

6 minutes ago, psqidexslizer said:

 Heck, Mystique is the only character besides Magento and Prof X to appear in every live action X-Men movie (obviously only counting the 7 X-Men movies here and not the Wolverine, Deadpool, or New Mutants movies).

That Jennifer Lawrence character really felt like Mystique in name and power-set only to me. I think they just wanted her star power to get people into cinemas.

[Lego Nostalgia]

52 minutes ago, Agent Kallus said:

Well from the original survey leak we know that at one point Emma Frost, Mystique, and Sabertooth we're all considered by TLG.

That survey leak image could have been designed in 2013 or 2014

[Agent Kallus]

Yeah, perhaps. But regardless it still means those characters were on their radar, probably the decision to base it more on 97 is why they got replaced.

[BrickBob Studpants]

37 minutes ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

That survey leak image could have been designed in 2013 or 2014

Agreed. I still think this wasn‘t a draft of the set we ended up with, but rather the prototype of a cancelled playset. That of courses raises the question why it was the only set like that when the other preliminary pictures were very close to their finalised counterparts

[brickbride]

They weren't all, though. For example, the Disney Maleficient Dragon set was pictured as a diorama with minifigures, and ended up as a playset with minidolls. The Medieval Market Square had way more animals in the survey than the finished product has (which seems comparable to complaints about missing X-Men figures to me).

They might also have taken the survey results into account - for example, @JeanGreyForever told us that he complained about the lack of Jean Grey in the X-Men set. If enough people did, that might have convinced them to change the line-up. (Though I'm half convinced that most of the survey users had to have been trolling them - I mean would you really get a bunch of random people who aren't even necessarily into LEGO to go "Buildable Sorting Hat that looks like a turd and squeaks out 'Gryffindor'? Yeah, I'd totally pay EUR 100 for that!")

Also, the usual place currently has a leak up of cancelled sets. Some of them were cancelled completely and at least one was cancelled, then released under a different set number. So there's clearly a lot going on behind the scenes that we can't even guess at.

Edited November 5, 2024 by brickbride

[psqidexslizer]

1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Agreed. I still think this wasn‘t a draft of the set we ended up with, but rather the prototype of a cancelled playset. That of courses raises the question why it was the only set like that when the other preliminary pictures were very close to their finalised counterparts

Just to add to @brickbride, the survey leaked a year and a half before the Mansion was released vs a year before the others. That half a year makes a huge difference in terms of where they’re at with designing the model.

2 hours ago, BoyLego said:

That Jennifer Lawrence character really felt like Mystique in name and power-set only to me. I think they just wanted her star power to get people into cinemas.

Thankfully the movie Mystique is always nude, so I don’t see Lego going with that version. 😂

2 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

Well from the original survey leak we know that at one point Emma Frost, Mystique, and Sabertooth we're all considered by TLG.

There are definitely other characters Lego was considering at some point. The designers straight up confirmed they have other minifigures designed that didn’t make the cut. We just don’t know who. (I’m willing to bet Dazzler, Nightcrawler, Jubilee, Bishop, and Colossus were some of them seeing as their designs appeared either on stickers in the set or in Fortnite).

Someone was talking about comic X-Men vs Avengers in Lego, so I did the math and here’s a count I did of all the characters in comic form per franchise:

X-Men: 12

Avengers: 20

Spider-Man and Friends: 26

(I’m counting Firestar as a Spider-Man friend and Miss Marvel as an Avenger, when both could arguably be put into the X-Men category. I’m also not counting Beetle, Rhino, and Electro in Spider-Man and Freinds simply because the designs suck nor am I counting civilians such as JJJ or Mary Jane. And I’m not counting Mighty Micros figures or Rocket Raccoon from the mech since he’s technically a Guardian).

 

Edited November 5, 2024 by psqidexslizer

[JeanGreyForever]

7 hours ago, BoyLego said:

That Jennifer Lawrence character really felt like Mystique in name and power-set only to me. I think they just wanted her star power to get people into cinemas.

Not to mention those First Class movies had her pretty much exclusively called Raven instead of Mystique. Despite the original films having Mystique repudiate her "slave name" and refuse to answer by it. And JLaw refused to wear the full body makeup after First Class, which means in all those movies she's rarely ever in blue form except for a select few scenes. Otherwise, she's always in her human form.

13 hours ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

Spider-Man set is a big possibility, so many characters can fit in his sets, Daredevil,Punisher and Blade and other Street Level Characters all have the chance to show up

I just wish we got Bullseye and Kingpin, someday I'm sure, someday

I think the issue with Daredevil, Punisher, and Blade is what the Lego Designers said before that these characters are considered too mature to be featured in regular sets. The Daily Bugle set could feature them because there were so many characters that they could essentially slip these three unnoticed and their maturity levels are cancelled out by the rest of that vast roster. But that's why we haven't seen Daredevil or Punisher recycled in more baseline sets because Lego has a strict rule against featuring them in sets that kids could more regularly buy.

For Elektra, Bullseye, and Kingpin, I'm guessing we'd have to wait for another D2C set like Oscorp or Fisk Tower. 

And my personal guess is that if Daredevil is considered too mature to feature outside of big D2C sets, that rule will probably apply to Deadpool as well. The showrunner for X-Men '97 also confirmed that Marvel specifically told him Deadpool was off-limits to appear in the show. He wasn't allowed to be referenced or even make a cameo. So between Marvel refusing to let Deadpool appear in X-Men '97 and Lego not wanting rated-R characters in their Marvel sets, that puts the odds against Deadpool. Notice that Deadpool doesn't have any easter eggs in the X-Mansion set. 

Maybe Marvel and Lego will loosen up on their rules by the time of the Secret Wars movie. 

7 hours ago, psqidexslizer said:

More villains are overdue. Sabertooth, Mr Sinister, and Mystique in particular. Heck, Mystique is the only character besides Magento and Prof X to appear in every live action X-Men movie (obviously only counting the 7 X-Men movies here and not the Wolverine, Deadpool, or New Mutants movies).

That's because Mystique wasn't treated as a villain outside of the original X-Men trilogy. There's a reason most X-Men fans hated the overemphasis on her in the First Class films, particularly as the link between Magneto and Xavier.

But yes, she's very iconic and should hopefully appear in a set. Mystique, Sabretooth, and Juggernaut are all striking omissions considering how popular and iconic they are as villains. The easter egg references to Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister at least imply they could be likely candidates in the future. I'm not expecting Bastion since he never really took off despite being the big bad of X-Men '97.

Hopefully more of the minor Brotherhood members like Blob, Pyro, Toad, Avalanche, Destiny, etc. can appear too. Pyro even has an easter egg reference in the X-Mansion set, plus a prominent role in the movies so he's one of the more recognizable X-Men villains.

[Dr.Cogg]

I think the X Mansion was the perfect place to have Deadpool and Colossus , because as was stated earlier the Designers can place more mature character in 18+ sets, examples: Punisher, Dare Devil, SS Harley Quin. 

[ToaDraco]

18 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

Yes, a remake of the chopper showdown set would make perfect sense. Something that brings Deadpool and Wolverine in the same set together. They can swap out Magneto for a new villain or two, like Sabretooth. 

I can maybe see Deadpool popping up in a Spider-Man set as well. 

the Spider-Man: Web of Shadows game actually featured a Venomized Wolverine.

 

I would unironicly love a Venomized Wolverine for this very reason.

5 hours ago, psqidexslizer said:

There are definitely other characters Lego was considering at some point. The designers straight up confirmed they have other minifigures designed that didn’t make the cut. We just don’t know who. (I’m willing to bet Dazzler, Nightcrawler, Jubilee, Bishop, and Colossus were some of them seeing as their designs appeared either on stickers in the set or in Fortnite).

Nightcrawler is my favorite X-Man so I really hope we get him at some point. I would like to see a Sentinel set in the same vein as the Leviathan that comes with some of the figures from the mansion but with an additional exclusive figure or 2 that can pair well with the mansion, like Nightcrawler or Jubilee.

[Mandalorianknight]

19 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

the Spider-Man: Web of Shadows game actually featured a Venomized Wolverine.

That's very cool but I think you may have misread my post. I want a Wolverized Venomarine.

20 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

I can sorta see that that's what they were going for but I'm still not quite sure they pulled it off TBH. I prefer Captain Marvel (Shazam)'s adaption in young justice S1, the DCAMU and the DCAU. And you make a good point that this movie really doesn't fit into the wider universe it's supposed to be part of very well, the batman merch being a prime example of that. But yeah it's not a bad movie but it's a bit underwhelming for a character I quite like.

That's fair.

 

As others have said there's plenty of room for X men sets. I think for it to do well as a full on subtheme and not just a few sets, though, we'll need MCU movies for X-men. I know a lot of people liked '97 but it didn't have the popularity with children the 90s one had, partially because children's cartoons as a whole now longer have the power they used to.

[JeanGreyForever]

33 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

That's very cool but I think you may have misread my post. I want a Wolverized Venomarine.

As others have said there's plenty of room for X men sets. I think for it to do well as a full on subtheme and not just a few sets, though, we'll need MCU movies for X-men. I know a lot of people liked '97 but it didn't have the popularity with children the 90s one had, partially because children's cartoons as a whole now longer have the power they used to.

A Wolverized Venomarine would need a minifigure and what's more perfect than a Venomized Wolverine.

The show was only a minor hit on Disney+. It did well for an animated show but didn't come close to the reach of the live-action Disney+ shows. I think even the least watched live-action Disney+ shows (like Echo) had more viewership than X-Men '97. The age of Saturday morning cartoons is over. The original 90s show was iconic and that's why for the general public, they identify the X-Men either from the Fox movies (particularly the original trilogy) or the 90s show. 

And frankly, X-Men '97 was more geared towards adults and nostalgic fans. The kids who watched it watched it because their parents who were fans of the original were watching it with them. It's not a kid-friendly show that could attract a new generation the way the original show did. '97 featured way more adult themes, serialized storytelling, and compressed a lot of the comic book continuity into 10 episodes. If you're new to the X-Men and watching this show as an intro, you won't really feel connected to the characters because it depends on you already knowing them. This is especially why kids shows these days try to avoid serialized storytelling.

[psqidexslizer]

1 hour ago, JeanGreyForever said:

Not to mention those First Class movies had her pretty much exclusively called Raven instead of Mystique. Despite the original films having Mystique repudiate her "slave name" and refuse to answer by it. And JLaw refused to wear the full body makeup after First Class, which means in all those movies she's rarely ever in blue form except for a select few scenes. Otherwise, she's always in her human form.

I think the issue with Daredevil, Punisher, and Blade is what the Lego Designers said before that these characters are considered too mature to be featured in regular sets. The Daily Bugle set could feature them because there were so many characters that they could essentially slip these three unnoticed and their maturity levels are cancelled out by the rest of that vast roster. But that's why we haven't seen Daredevil or Punisher recycled in more baseline sets because Lego has a strict rule against featuring them in sets that kids could more regularly buy.

For Elektra, Bullseye, and Kingpin, I'm guessing we'd have to wait for another D2C set like Oscorp or Fisk Tower. 

And my personal guess is that if Daredevil is considered too mature to feature outside of big D2C sets, that rule will probably apply to Deadpool as well. The showrunner for X-Men '97 also confirmed that Marvel specifically told him Deadpool was off-limits to appear in the show. He wasn't allowed to be referenced or even make a cameo. So between Marvel refusing to let Deadpool appear in X-Men '97 and Lego not wanting rated-R characters in their Marvel sets, that puts the odds against Deadpool. Notice that Deadpool doesn't have any easter eggs in the X-Mansion set. 

Maybe Marvel and Lego will loosen up on their rules by the time of the Secret Wars movie. 

That's because Mystique wasn't treated as a villain outside of the original X-Men trilogy. There's a reason most X-Men fans hated the overemphasis on her in the First Class films, particularly as the link between Magneto and Xavier.

But yes, she's very iconic and should hopefully appear in a set. Mystique, Sabretooth, and Juggernaut are all striking omissions considering how popular and iconic they are as villains. The easter egg references to Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister at least imply they could be likely candidates in the future. I'm not expecting Bastion since he never really took off despite being the big bad of X-Men '97.

Hopefully more of the minor Brotherhood members like Blob, Pyro, Toad, Avalanche, Destiny, etc. can appear too. Pyro even has an easter egg reference in the X-Mansion set, plus a prominent role in the movies so he's one of the more recognizable X-Men villains.

There’s two reasons why I didn’t throw Juggernaut in with those two. 1) he would need to be a big fig which means he’d need a new mold 2) he didn’t get the exposure in the movies that Mystique or even Sabertooth did.
 

I could us getting characters like Angel, Kitty Pryde, and Colossus in sets simply because Lego has been much better at giving us heroes in these sets than they’ve been at giving us villains (just look at the X-Men 10v1ing Magneto). We got Captain Marvel, She Hulk, and Miss Marvel before their film debuts. Meanwhile we still haven’t gotten Baron Zemo, Ego, Abomination, or the High Evolutionary. 

[JeanGreyForever]

20 minutes ago, psqidexslizer said:

There’s two reasons why I didn’t throw Juggernaut in with those two. 1) he would need to be a big fig which means he’d need a new mold 2) he didn’t get the exposure in the movies that Mystique or even Sabertooth did.

I could us getting characters like Angel, Kitty Pryde, and Colossus in sets simply because Lego has been much better at giving us heroes in these sets than they’ve been at giving us villains (just look at the X-Men 10v1ing Magneto). We got Captain Marvel, She Hulk, and Miss Marvel before their film debuts. Meanwhile we still haven’t gotten Baron Zemo, Ego, Abomination, or the High Evolutionary. 

In terms of pop culture though, Juggernaut is still pretty iconic and popular. Not to mention his viral meme from The Last Stand. Even Sabretooth was just a silent henchman in X-Men and the latest Deadpool movie. His one role as a major villain in the movies was in Wolverine Origins and nobody wants to remember that. But Sabretooth is the Venom to Wolverine, and in the 90s, it was Gambit, Sabretooth, and Venom who were some of the most popular Marvel characters and their first appearance issues are worth a ton. So film exposure is only one factor because Juggernaut frequently tops the list of beloved Marvel villains along with Sabretooth. When people think of iconic X-Men villains, it's usually Magneto, Mystique, Sabretooth, Juggernaut, and the Sentinels who come to mind first. 

I think the 90s Jim Lee characters are the most likely to be made. Angel/Archangel, Colossus, Psylocke, Jubilee, and Cable. Nightcrawler wasn't part of the 90s era but he's a classic X-Men character associated with the All-New All-Different era, the movies, and now X-Men '97. Even though he missed out on the 90s Blue/Gold team era, he was too iconic to be forgotten. You can still find him in group shots of the X-Men from the 90s, included simply because of his popularity and iconic status. Even the TAS DVDs would feature him on the covers despite only appearing in 2 episodes from the entire show.

Kitty never had that same level of status. She came after the ANAD era so wasn't grouped with Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, and Colossus. She wasn't a member of the O5. The 80s X-Men characters who joined the team who got the most attention were the ones who stuck around for the 90s lineup like Rogue, Psylocke, and Jubilee. Kitty never had exposure in the 90s show and her role was never big enough in the movies to catch on. Her popularity comes from the generation of mostly male comic book readers who grew up with her in the 80s, like Joss Whedon's generation. She hasn't had much longevity beyond that in other media or pop culture. Psylocke is more iconic even if it's just because of her bathing suit costume.

Captain Marvel, She-Hulk, and Ms. Marvel were all heroines who Marvel was heavily pushing in the comics and merchandise. Hence the exposure in lots of media plus their own ongoing books over and over. Their prevalence before the MCU was in part to prepare the audience for their roles in the MCU. It's around the time Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) was sidelined because of the Sony rights issues and because Spider-Gwen overtook her in popularity with her design, hence why we have so many Gwen minifigs today and only one SDCC Jessica from the period when she was popular.

[psqidexslizer]

2 hours ago, JeanGreyForever said:

Kitty never had that same level of status. She came after the ANAD era so wasn't grouped with Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, and Colossus. She wasn't a member of the O5. The 80s X-Men characters who joined the team who got the most attention were the ones who stuck around for the 90s lineup like Rogue, Psylocke, and Jubilee. Kitty never had exposure in the 90s show and her role was never big enough in the movies to catch on. Her popularity comes from the generation of mostly male comic book readers who grew up with her in the 80s, like Joss Whedon's generation. She hasn't had much longevity beyond that in other media or pop culture. Psylocke is more iconic even if it's just because of her bathing suit costume.

I gotta fully disagree with you on this. Kitty was a major character in both X-Men: Evolution (which is arguably the definite X-Men for the Gen Z generation) and the much less popular Wolverine and the X-Men. The only cartoon series she didn’t appear in was TAS. And sure, she didn’t have a major role in the movies, but she still appeared in 4 out of the 7. And, just speaking in terms of modern comics, she’s pretty regularly been a key character, and is currently leading one of the three main X-Men teams (don’t ask me why there’s 3 X-Men teams, I still don’t understand that). I’d argue she’s more popular than Jubilee who is only really known because of the 90’s series.

Edited November 6, 2024 by psqidexslizer

[JeanGreyForever]

1 hour ago, psqidexslizer said:

I gotta fully disagree with you on this. Kitty was a major character in both X-Men: Evolution (which is arguably the definite X-Men for the Gen Z generation) and the much less popular Wolverine and the X-Men. The only cartoon series she didn’t appear in was TAS. And sure, she didn’t have a major role in the movies, but she still appeared in 4 out of the 7. And, just speaking in terms of modern comics, she’s pretty regularly been a key character, and is currently leading one of the three main X-Men teams (don’t ask me why there’s 3 X-Men teams, I still don’t understand that). I’d argue she’s more popular than Jubilee who is only really known because of the 90’s series.

X-Men Evolution never had the same pop culture impact of the 90s show. I say this as someone who grew up with it myself, more than the 90s show. And in fact, my favorite portrayal of Kitty was from X-Men Evolution. What I've read is that her character was popular enough in the show to inspire her getting a bigger role in X-Men: The Last Stand so X-Men Evolution did a lot to boost Kitty's status, but at the end of the day, the show is not really a definitive part of the X-Men in pop culture. Just look at the MCU portrayal. There's a reason the MCU is focusing on taking the OG FoX-Men cast (Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, Kelsey Grammer, etc.) but mixing them with 90s aesthetics while retaining some of the movie's aesthetics. It's because for the general public, they know the X-Men from those Fox movies and the 90s show. Evolution is nowhere close to that level, which is why the MCU isn't taking any influence from Evolution. The theme song isn't remembered like the 90s show theme. There's a reason Disney chose to relaunch the X-Men by returning to the 90s show rather than Evolution, because the former has a place in pop culture unlike the latter.

WATXM was always a niche show. That one never took off and has even less of an online fandom than X-Men Evolution.

In the first two X-Men movies, Kitty's really just a cameo. And played by a different actress in both of those compared to the Elliot Page portrayal in The Last Stand and DOFP. I don't think they ever knew what to do with Kitty in the movies, outside of giving Rogue angst. They gave her Rachel's role in DOFP (online I've read that Rachel was supposed to be in the movie but it became too confusing to explain her existence with both Scott and Jean dead) but Wolverine got her role as the main character. Just as Bishop got her role in the 90s show. So Kitty's signature storyline, DOFP, ended up going to two different characters in the most well known media portrayals. In fact, Bishop getting Kitty's role in the 90s show is arguably what got him a side role in DOFP.

Another thing to keep in mind, to show you how low Kitty's stock dropped after the 90s (both not being part of the Jim Lee lineup and not being part of the 90s show), is the movie rosters for different drafts of the first X-Men movie. When it comes to Wolverine's young female sidekick, Kitty originated that role in the comics. But it was Jubilee who was in the early drafts for the movie taking the role that Rogue ended up getting. One version of the X-Men movie script basically had the entire 90s team lineup minus Rogue. What I've heard online is that Jubilee being replaced by Rogue was a last minute change because movie execs didn't realize Jubilee was Chinese and felt it was more marketable to use Rogue as she's white.

There was one X-Men movie draft that featured Kitty as part of the main team and in the POV young heroine role. That was a James Cameron draft for the movie written in the late 80s. That's because this was following up on the momentum of Kitty being part of Claremont's X-Men, but as the 90s came and Kitty became further and further detached from the X-Men, it was Jubilee and then Rogue who took that role. So it's pretty revealing that Kitty only had a main role in the film drafts before the 90s and never again afterwards.

And I agree with you that Jubilee's sole claim to fame has always been the 90s show. She's had a bit of a revival from X-Men '97 to keep her relevant and not much else, but that shows how iconic the Jim Lee 90s X-Men lineup is (whether from the show or the comics) that Jubilee remains a part of the X-Men's identity in pop culture. The X-Mansion set could have easily given us some easter eggs for Kitty (I would have liked Kurt's Bamf doll from Kitty's fairy tale given to Illyana or maybe Lockheed) but they didn't. They included easter eggs for Jubilee though with her bubble gum, plus her face in the GWP. The GWP is explicitly themed on the movies rather than the 90s show, and Kitty had a bigger role in the movies than Jubilee, but Jubilee was still used. The X-Mansion is mostly themed from the 90s show but it lacks the X-Men '97 logo and the inclusion of Iceman plus the Dazzler poster and other easter eggs from the movie (Xavier and Magneto's portrait, Magneto's coin, the Statue of Liberty) show that the X-Mansion ultimately took elements from all the major X-Men media. So the fact that Jubilee was referenced in both sets that aren't explicitly themed to the 90s show but Kitty wasn't, gives us an idea.

That being said, I would like to see Kitty get a minifigure because she's a classic character on the team. But I don't think she's one who is guaranteed to get one anytime soon, especially based on how slowly Lego gives us X-Men characters. The lack of an iconic costume and codename probably don't help either. Going back to Psylocke as an example, very few people know or care about her as Betsy Braddock in pop culture. What people recognize is the Psylocke mantle tied in with the ninja costume. This is why Psylocke keeps appearing in video games and so much merchandise like action figures and statues. She's an iconic brand and that gives her a leg up on Kitty, even if Psylocke unfortunately isn't treated like an actual character.

Kitty's best bet to becoming a minifigure might not be waiting for more comic characters to be created, but if she ends up in the MCU X-Men movies as a lead character. Because right now, it looks like future X-Men comic minifigs will probably be Nightcrawler and Jubilee. These are the two I keep hearing mentioned by virtually everyone online (YouTube, Instagram, Reddit, etc.) and who got the most easter egg references so the most demand or expectations seem to be for them. After that, I've seen Angel, Colossus, Cable, and Psylocke mentioned in that order. I honestly haven't heard many people online ask about Kitty. Not to the extent of the other names I listed and that's not including villains like Mystique, Sabretooth, and Mr. Sinister.

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Ngl that was a great essay I’d like more of them please

17 hours ago, psqidexslizer said:

I could us getting characters like Angel, Kitty Pryde, and Colossus in sets simply because Lego has been much better at giving us heroes in these sets than they’ve been at giving us villains (just look at the X-Men 10v1ing Magneto). We got Captain Marvel, She Hulk, and Miss Marvel before their film debuts. Meanwhile we still haven’t gotten Baron Zemo, Ego, Abomination, or the High Evolutionary. 

But that also shows they’re very willing to give us the bare minimum of characters so unless they have a prominent role in upcoming seasons of the show or the mcu reboot, I don’t see us getting them anytime soon