Marvel Superheroes 2024 - Rumors & Discussion

[Lego Nostalgia]

2 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

My guesses would be Helicarrier update, Knowhere, Asgard, hulk's fist, buildable Flerken, big spider-buggy, buildable Ultron statue, Venomised something or other (Horse?), update bigger infinity gauntlet, marvel version of set 76391, daredevil helmet, Loki and Thor helmets, famous comic covers as an art sets or something like that?

Could be a Spider-Man themed modular, we got Anti Venom and Spider Woman so they'll probably be reused in it

[poisonbricks]

1 hour ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

Could be a Spider-Man themed modular, we got Anti Venom and Spider Woman so they'll probably be reused in it

Venomised Daily Bugle 

[Mandalorianknight]

3 hours ago, calebcold3 said:

There won’t be ANY solo Buildable Construction Figures (like Green Goblin, Sam Cap, Wolverine, etc) for Marvel next year. 

Ladies and gentlemen... we got em.

1 hour ago, poisonbricks said:

Venomised Daily Bugle 

You know, if lego changed how they did "venomization" to limited-release marvel sets done up in black with some tendrils added on and venomized figs, I think the constant venomized inudation wouldn't be as bad. They've already done it a few times, just with weird set choices (venom crawler, venomized baby groot)

[calebcold3]

Ok.. so.. I used to think the upcoming Civil War set was DECENT and was received too harshly. 

However, after I just realized the build is pretty much just The 2023 Ant-Man Buildable figure with a recolored Quinjet from Avengers Tower for $100 with random repeats and only 1 good figure... Yeah, I can see why everyone has a negative response to the set.

I'm glad I finally opened my eyes cause good lord that set is not it for $100 and a serious downgrade from the OG set (even though I never had the 2016 set).

 

[Lego Nostalgia]

5 hours ago, calebcold3 said:

Ok.. so.. I used to think the upcoming Civil War set was DECENT and was received too harshly. 

However, after I just realized the build is pretty much just The 2023 Ant-Man Buildable figure with a recolored Quinjet from Avengers Tower for $100 with random repeats and only 1 good figure... Yeah, I can see why everyone has a negative response to the set.

I'm glad I finally opened my eyes cause good lord that set is not it for $100 and a serious downgrade from the OG set (even though I never had the 2016 set).

 

It's not a good set but I'm still going to buy it, I guess Lego knows people like me exist so they don't put effort in cause we'll buy anything

I like the Airport and Ant-Man build

[mrcngrck]

15 hours ago, Legofan04 said:

I hope this rumor is true. I hate that Lego has been trying to create action figures. 

I hate this current iteration. It doesn't look right. But this bionicle style like they did with Star Wars, those were pretty cool. I liked them. I know that Marvel and DC have it too but, God, these were ugly

14 hours ago, poisonbricks said:

Venomised Daily Bugle 

someone should do it in the Hidden Side style. The Hidden Side has a building which changes into a monster haha

Edited December 5, 2024 by mrcngrck

[Lyichir]

On 11/30/2024 at 6:38 AM, Lego Nostalgia said:

We live in a society where a shitty theme like Dreamzzz gets new moulds and prints and a figure from 2016 gets arm printing while the 2025 one doesn't

At this stage let Lego increase their prices, a 20$ set will cost 70$ soon enough, give it time, let them go bankrupt,I can save money then

2022 will be known as the year Lego became greedy and stopped caring

Maybe you should be collecting cool, well designed themes like Dreamzzz instead of whining about your precious superheroes not being good enough.

You're complaining about licensed themes costing too much and cutting corners without ever considering that the fact that they're licensed might be part of the problem. Like, yeah, themes where a hefty licensing fee has to be paid on top of everything else have less budget for extra prints! Yeah, those themes are going to cost more! Maybe the shitty thing is taking your frustration out on themes that don't have those issues.

[Swordy]

17 hours ago, calebcold3 said:

I'm glad I finally opened my eyes cause good lord that set is not it for $100 and a serious downgrade from the OG set (even though I never had the 2016 set).

 

Like I said back when we got our first grainy image of the set, so long as TLG got Cap, Iron Man, Bucky and Black Panther right, then I’d consider it a win.

Iron Man is perfect, thankfully. Black Panther could’ve used yellow eyes like in 2016, and the overall design is perhaps too bright, but that’s nothing too big. However, Cap still reuses the AoU torso, and they messed up Bucky completely. Out of those four “updates,” I prefer the older versions of Bucky and BP, while I might as well use any version of AoU Cap.
 

1 hour ago, Lyichir said:

Maybe you should be collecting cool, well designed themes like Dreamzzz instead of whining about your precious superheroes not being good enough.

First of all, you’ve come to the wrong chat to make that claim, bub. Belittling the theme everyone here obviously appreciates isn’t a smart move. Just my two-cents.

 

Which will sell better: an original IP whose sets are confusing to an average consumer, or an IP made up of the recent icons of Western culture?

We as Marvel fans are just asking for better-executed minifigures and sets while we watch LEGO-original themes get high-priority treatment. Yes, LEGO Marvel and Star Wars will sell fine without extra treatment. However, some Marvel and Star Wars sets will warm shelves if the effort isn’t shown, while Dreamzzz sets still warm shelves despite the obvious amount of money put into them.

Dreamzzz is a weird concept that is fun, yes, but confusing to anyone not in the know. If a simpler premise was taken, like Ninjago at its start, then a more successful theme could be made. It’s the fact that Chima, NEXO Knights, Hidden Side, Vidiyo, and now Dreamzzz have started with a mixed premise that those themes didn’t appear to general audiences. (Hidden Side comes closest to a normal theme, but the marketing on the set boxes confused people and undersold it, in my opinion.)

Compared to Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Harry Potter, Ninjago too, whose worlds and characters are already known before the product is bought. People like familiar faces, and that’s what those aforementioned themes have accomplished. Again, the only reason one or two of those sets warm shelves is because the average consumer or LEGO enthusiast doesn’t see the value in it. ($90 for a boring 496-piece ship with 3 unknown characters is a recipe for disaster that TLG would never let happen in their original IPs.)

If TLG followed the money, I believe they’d divert funds into the IPs which sell better than Dreamzzz. That would raise sales overall, leading to higher profits. It makes more sense to me to put your efforts into what you know sells, and then expand out into the unknown with the same care and treatment. That practice builds trust and confidence from the customer over time that leads to more cash flow down the line. It’s a long term strategy which will pay off if TLG chooses to do it.

Just my two-cents, of course.

[Lego Nostalgia]

2 hours ago, Lyichir said:

Maybe you should be collecting cool, well designed themes like Dreamzzz instead of whining about your precious superheroes not being good enough.

You're complaining about licensed themes costing too much and cutting corners without ever considering that the fact that they're licensed might be part of the problem. Like, yeah, themes where a hefty licensing fee has to be paid on top of everything else have less budget for extra prints! Yeah, those themes are going to cost more! Maybe the shitty thing is taking your frustration out on themes that don't have those issues.

Maybe the shitty thing is you coming after me about my opinion on a shitty theme like Dreamzzz :)

God forbid we want our Marvel figures to get the same quality they got years ago but hey, maybe that's asking too much, just be a shill and accept everything Lego gives you

Dreamzzz is a bad theme and it'll end probably sometime next year, older Lego themes like Power Miners,Space Police,Agents and Fantasy Era are better than that shelf warmer theme

[Lyichir]

Got it, I'll avoid this topic in the future then. Just popped in because I was interested in if anyone else had anything interesting to say about the Spider-Verse set or things, didn't expect the vibes in here to be so rancid. I'll stick to enjoying my fun unlicensed themes while you lot commiserate about how miserable your favorite themes make you.

[RedHoodPug]

25 minutes ago, Lyichir said:

Just popped in because I was interested in if anyone else had anything interesting to say about the Spider-Verse set or things

Wouldn't it have been more productive to lead with that, rather than running in and kicking someone in the dick? Your method seems destined for failure.

[Lego Nostalgia]

44 minutes ago, Lyichir said:

Got it, I'll avoid this topic in the future then. Just popped in because I was interested in if anyone else had anything interesting to say about the Spider-Verse set or things, didn't expect the vibes in here to be so rancid. I'll stick to enjoying my fun unlicensed themes while you lot commiserate about how miserable your favorite themes make you.

We were all happy till you came at us for not being shills, you started it, and you lost, goodbye

[Mandalorianknight]

3 hours ago, Lyichir said:

Maybe you should be collecting cool, well designed themes like Dreamzzz instead of whining about your precious superheroes not being good enough.

You're complaining about licensed themes costing too much and cutting corners without ever considering that the fact that they're licensed might be part of the problem. Like, yeah, themes where a hefty licensing fee has to be paid on top of everything else have less budget for extra prints! Yeah, those themes are going to cost more! Maybe the shitty thing is taking your frustration out on themes that don't have those issues.

What was your goal here? What was the thought process behind going on the superhero thread and almost immediately insulting the thread's users?

Dreamzz had a good chunk of sets on black Friday discount and pretty frequently hit clearance at just about every show they've gone to. I think they've got some good stuff, but a lot of clunkers too, and the sales seem to back this up.

I will give you credit- it is true that themes like Dreamzz have a higher budget for molds due to their unlicensed status. But you took someone's semi-joking comment that's main gist was "lego is getting too expensive and dropping in quality" and decided to attack the entire thread?

2 hours ago, Swordy said:

First of all, you’ve come to the wrong chat to make that claim, bub. Belittling the theme everyone here obviously appreciates isn’t a smart move. Just my two-cents.

 

Which will sell better: an original IP whose sets are confusing to an average consumer, or an IP made up of the recent icons of Western culture?

We as Marvel fans are just asking for better-executed minifigures and sets while we watch LEGO-original themes get high-priority treatment. Yes, LEGO Marvel and Star Wars will sell fine without extra treatment. However, some Marvel and Star Wars sets will warm shelves if the effort isn’t shown, while Dreamzzz sets still warm shelves despite the obvious amount of money put into them.

Dreamzzz is a weird concept that is fun, yes, but confusing to anyone not in the know. If a simpler premise was taken, like Ninjago at its start, then a more successful theme could be made. It’s the fact that Chima, NEXO Knights, Hidden Side, Vidiyo, and now Dreamzzz have started with a mixed premise that those themes didn’t appear to general audiences. (Hidden Side comes closest to a normal theme, but the marketing on the set boxes confused people and undersold it, in my opinion.)

Compared to Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Harry Potter, Ninjago too, whose worlds and characters are already known before the product is bought. People like familiar faces, and that’s what those aforementioned themes have accomplished. Again, the only reason one or two of those sets warm shelves is because the average consumer or LEGO enthusiast doesn’t see the value in it. ($90 for a boring 496-piece ship with 3 unknown characters is a recipe for disaster that TLG would never let happen in their original IPs.)

If TLG followed the money, I believe they’d divert funds into the IPs which sell better than Dreamzzz. That would raise sales overall, leading to higher profits. It makes more sense to me to put your efforts into what you know sells, and then expand out into the unknown with the same care and treatment. That practice builds trust and confidence from the customer over time that leads to more cash flow down the line. It’s a long term strategy which will pay off if TLG chooses to do it.

Just my two-cents, of course.

I feel like a good 50% of your comments are just phrasing what I wanted to say significantly better than I could have. I have come to the conclusion that you are Khonshu, and therefore the one making me psychically steal all the Mara Jade figures from lego's factories when I black out.

But seriously, very well said to pretty much all of these.

 

 

My biggest think is the lack of arm printing on the character known for his special arm. That's just crazy.

[Coryo]

Some better looks at the new sets are coming out on YouTube, the quality on Spider-Woman's face print is as you might expect

It's been kinda funny to see some of the youtubers in the Lego Ambassador Network trying to feign excitement for that Marvel logo set

[poisonbricks]

1 hour ago, Lyichir said:

Got it, I'll avoid this topic in the future then. Just popped in because I was interested in if anyone else had anything interesting to say about the Spider-Verse set or things, didn't expect the vibes in here to be so rancid. I'll stick to enjoying my fun unlicensed themes while you lot commiserate about how miserable your favorite themes make you.

"Whining about your precious superheroes not being good enough"

Are you really surprised that you weren't met with positivity after popping in out of nowhere and basically just saying 'heh, LEGO Marvel sucks' ... in the Marvel forum?

[Agent Kallus]

Eh, @Lyichir had a point.

The thing is we get themes like star wars here the sets are usually pretty decent (though often pricy or weirdly scaled or both) replicas of things from the universe. We then get themes like Ninjago, Dreamzzz and Monies Kid where Lego cam take more imaginative design first approach.

But in superheroes we tend to get the worst of both world with sets that aren't really accurate and aren't really bold creative moves either. Now I don't blame the design team for this, it is (like all things) multifactorial, but the direction the them has been taking has just led into a direction of relatively bland set design.

Allow me to elaborate on that. Well on all of it, but firstly on why I think the set design is bland. Well we often get sets for new movies but because the design team aren't given too many proper details so they end up barely related to the movie they're covering. And for the not movies sets (which are usually Spider-Man) we get the designers playing it relatively safe which then gets rather repetitive, a current trend is vaguely realistic cats themed after a character who really doesn't need a car ( them not needing a car isn't a big though actually) and they usually only get one seat. And if I wanted a tonne of realistic sports and muscle cars I'd just be into speed champions (spoiler alert, I'm not).

Look at the marvel Dioramas compared to the star wars ones. The Star wars are basically freeze frames of the films, they go accuracy, but again the marvel ones find themselves in a weird middle ground where they're not really perfect playsets or perfect display sets because they try to do both. And DC is doing decently accurate Batmobiles but not much else and it is so repetitive. Even the infinity saga sees play it too safe and tend to mostly stick to just the avengers movies, what about the first 2 Thor films that never got any coverage!

Now let's just ignore movie tie ins a sec, and look back to the 2012-2017 era of comic Spider-Man and Batman sets. The golden years perhaps? And I think it's partly because TLG treated them a bit more like one of Thier in-house action themes. Yes it was Spider-man and Batman but it was Lego's take on it and I think that led to more imaginative set design, it was a principal I tried to follow my self in my recent DC wishlist digital Moc series (shameless plug).

So in conclusion I can surmise that I personally feel that the superheroes theme as a whole is in a relative creative rut. And maybe Dreamzzz regardless of your opinion of the sets themselves isn't in that creative rut. I mean Ninjago somehow manages to make like 7 Kai mechs across 2 years work but the best DC can do is the same Batmobile as in the D2C but somehow slightly worse? So yeah unlicensed themes tend to be a better deal with more creative thought put into them. And Star wars gets at least something from the source material.

1 hour ago, RedHoodPug said:

Wouldn't it have been more productive to lead with that, rather than running in and kicking someone in the dick? Your method seems destined for failure.

I feel like they probably would have led with that bit came here to see Nostalgia calling Dreamzzz shitty ( without explaining why they feel that) so I can see the reasoning for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.

I mean I really don't care for speed champions, but I'm don't go about calling it shitty because I know it's just not for me. Though I will call out the bizarre decision to really oversaturate the market with those F1 type racecars across several themes, now that's insanity.

[Swordy]

 

6 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I feel like a good 50% of your comments are just phrasing what I wanted to say significantly better than I could have. I have come to the conclusion that you are Khonshu, and therefore the one making me psychically steal all the Mara Jade figures from lego's factories when I black out.

But seriously, very well said to pretty much all of these.

 

 

My biggest think is the lack of arm printing on the character known for his special arm. That's just crazy.

(I am? Blimey, I guess I am.)

The Mara Jade minifigures had to be stolen and taken to the Blacktron vault; she’s too dangerous to have in mass production. There is only one Mara Jade.

(Seriously, though, I do fancy myself a serious writer, albeit a hobbyist at that. Words matter to me, and yours I highly appreciate; thank you.)
 

 

You should go, I don’t know, steal all those Bucky minifigs and hold them ransom until TLG gives him arm printing.

6 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

Eh, @Lyichir had a point.

The thing is we get themes like star wars here the sets are usually pretty decent (though often pricy or weirdly scaled or both) replicas of things from the universe. We then get themes like Ninjago, Dreamzzz and Monies Kid where Lego can take more imaginative design first approach.

~snip~

Fair points. You and Lyichir are right as far as licensing being a hindrance as well as a blessing. I believe that if mindsets and priorities shift, then those hindrances become minimal.

I don’t know if it is that the design team is in a creative rut as much as they’ve not been given freedom to play around. People themselves aren’t formulaic; corporations most definitely can be. If a car themed around a superhero sells well, then the corporation decides to double down on that. (Which leads back into my previous comment that TLG should focus on what sells better, but I digress.) Ninjago itself is formulaic, with two Kai mechs across two years, as you mentioned. (If I recall, one of those mechs is significantly larger than the other, which leans the character into both markets.) Dreamzzz doesn’t seem formulaic so far, although we are seeing some vague repetition.

I don’t know what TLG, with what they know, believes is the answer. What sells will sell—even if poorly done, I suppose. I can only say that I believe more effort (born out of creative freedom) into themes that are in themselves profitable will make more people happy and more willing to spend money on their product.

Edited December 6, 2024 by Swordy

[BoyLego]

Some great points being made about Marvel sets being creatively limited by trying to represent what’s seen on screen.

To anyone complaining about repetition, try to remember LEGO superheroes are toys, not collectibles. You need to look at a theme like City and ask why do they release a new fire engine, police car, ambulance etc. every couple of years? Well it’s because there’s always new kids reaching the age where they want those things and why shouldn’t they get their version?  Superheroes is very much a theme still aimed at the kids market (as opposed to something like icons or botanicals which is aimed at adult collectors). Whilst we are starting to see the odd diorama aimed at collectors, the theme as a whole isn’t designed around people collecting every set they release.

As an adult collector I do wish they would make better quality figures on a theme where the characters are the main draw. I also understand that they spend far more than I earn in a year on market research which tells them they don’t need to. It’s a shame but it’s all just part of collecting a theme that isn’t really aimed at me.

A final note before I get called a shill, the overall decline in quality (poor colour matching, more visible mold marks) whilst maintaining the high price point is really not acceptable. I don’t have a problem with them charging more for a premium product but it really is starting to feel less and less premium. Hopefully people will start to buy less so they can see it’s damaging their profits as unfortunately that’s the only thing that will make them change.

Edited December 6, 2024 by BoyLego

[Swordy]

35 minutes ago, BoyLego said:

To anyone complaining about repetition, try to remember LEGO superheroes are toys, not collectibles. You need to look at a theme like City and ask why do they release a new fire engine, police car, ambulance etc. every couple of years? Well it’s because there’s always new kids reaching the age where they want those things and why shouldn’t they get their version?  Superheroes is very much a theme still aimed at the kids market (as opposed to something like icons or botanicals which is aimed at adult collectors). Whilst we are starting to see the odd diorama aimed at collectors, the theme as a whole isn’t designed around people collecting every set they release.

True, but if I wanted toy cars themed around superheroes (or just neat-looking cars in general), I would go to Hot Wheels. If I wanted action figures, which I equate to mechs, I would go to Hasbro. I go to LEGO for the builds and minifigures; when neither are as interesting or outstanding, respectively, as they could be, I question the set’s value.

Where will Iron Man put his car once he’s done chasing down the heroic Red Hulk? Where do the mechs go when the heroes are finished in them? A simple question becomes an exciting playset. (Sounds like something you’d see when you translate the German Stone Wars to English, lol.) I’m exaggerating, yes, but fans of the brick like it when things connect. It’s the fact that all of these car sets in the past few years are released with no relation to one another that creates the feeling of repetition.

If this was LEGO City, there would be some sort of headquarters (playset Avengers Mansion, perhaps?) or separate vehicle to interact or coincide with these cars as well. The interaction between otherwise completely random elements is what LEGO is founded upon; the lack thereof shows that next to no fore- or afterthought is being given.

Again, I find what you say to be true. LEGO sets aren’t made for me directly, and so I try and respect that fact. More effort, more thought, more creativity, could be made, whether provided by executives overseeing finances or perhaps given by the design team themselves (I hate to insinuate blame onto them, though, because they seem entirely enthusiastic about LEGO superheroes).

Edited December 6, 2024 by Swordy

[BoyLego]

Your desire for more location based sets is completely valid and one I share.

I would suggest that the fact Lego used to make more location based sets and are now making more cars and mechs tells us that over the years they have learned that cars and mechs sell better with their target demo than locations do. As much as I despise capitalism that’s just how it works.

We can definitely discuss what we would like to see more of, but I don’t think we can claim to know better than LEGO what kids (parents) will buy more of.

[Legocentrico]

8 ore fa, Coryo ha detto:

È stato un po' divertente vedere alcuni degli youtuber del Lego Ambassador Network che cercano di fingere l'eccitazione per quel set di loghi Marvel

So you've decided that no one can like it

[mrcngrck]

I noticed technic pin holes on the sides of the building form Spiderverse set for expansions that we will never get. Why do they do that :D

it's cool that another themes received proper treatment. The worst thing about marvel is that it cost the heck of money but we have been getting nothing but cutting corners. 

53 minutes ago, Legocentrico said:

So you've decided that no one can like it

I wouldn't trust the AMBASADOR network

Edited December 6, 2024 by mrcngrck

[SpiderFan44]

2 minutes ago, mrcngrck said:

I noticed technic pin holes on the sides of the building form Spiderverse set for expansions that we will never get. Why do they do that :D

So that you can integrate it with your creator 3 in 1 31141  Mainstreet for example.

Except that the technic pins are not aligned with those so it's probably something else, wait and see.

[mrcngrck]

Talking about location sets and original IPs I would love to see something like the grocery store from spider-verse but with proper treatment like buildings in the monkey kid (sets 80011 & 80012). For me NY is like a character in Marvel and I'd love to get small but substantial buildings alongside heroes. Probably this is why I'm going crazy with this overpriced spider-verse set.
 

[Agent Kallus]

3 hours ago, Swordy said:

I don’t know if it is that the design team is in a creative rut as much as they’ve not been given freedom to play around. People themselves aren’t formulaic; corporations most definitely can be. 

Oh definitely. I'm not really trying to pin this on the designers per se, but the direction the theme has been been taking. And I mean superheros as a whole really but I'll focus on marvel since that's the thread we're in. 

And yes you're right again about that direction becoming predictable and repetitive partially because 'they knows what sells' or they know what of what they've made sells well though they don't always know why or what umade ideas might actually be best sellers.

And the thing is they still do take risks and try new things, however that approach seems to squarely aimed at their adults welcome sets which as we here are Afols already we don't really need. Need is strange word to use there, but I mean we in general are all interested in Lego and ere interested king before they start to go heavy into trying to tap the adult market, that's not to say we don't have the potential to like the some of the adults sets but I imagine most of us here prefer sets like OG civil war battle or the infinity war benatar over sets like the carnage head, marvel logo or big black panther helmet and gloves. 

Should they being making more interesting playsets to appeal to Afols then? No, but truth be told what will be interesting to us isn't all that different from what will be interesting to kids, sure we tend to care more about looks and less about play features, but I'm sure both categories would like more new characters ( yes kids see the theme on a shorter timescale in year but even looking over just 3 years periods it's just so much repetition, yeah some of the get different outfits but nonetheless), more villains in movie sets (okay that's more on Marvel than TLG as they seem to have stopped trusting them with as many details due to fear of Lego leaks spoiling things, but often we still miss out on obvious things that are even in the trailers) and most importantly in terms of design some more unique or accurate builds, okay the infinity saga looks back old films missing the limited information problem but they keep looking at the same films over and over, so repetitive yet again.

I mean yes themes like Ninjago, City and Dreamzzz do repeat the same idea. But with the exception of city ( which does try to emulate real life designs) those themes give themselves the freedom to do different take of the idea, take Kai mechs: the climber mech has 4 arms, backwards legs and shooting grappling hooks, the stormrider has a flying hovercraft thing for the mech to ride, and he even has a mech with its own motorcycle (something totally absurd that marvel did do themselves to be fair) but if we look at Spiderman cars over past years, it's been a genericish car for miles, 2 generic cars for Peter, a generic venom car yawn.

3 hours ago, BoyLego said:

We can definitely discuss what we would like to see more of, but I don’t think we can claim to know better than LEGO what kids (parents) will buy more of.

Eh, Lego plays it too safe sometimes and we can have a different and valuable perspective, the company always knows best isn't always true.