Marvel Superheroes 2024 - Rumors & Discussion

[psqidexslizer]

1 hour ago, HarryPotter said:

Thank you

Very excited, although a little disappointed by only 10 minifigs, my favorite Nightcrawler most certainly won't be in it

I wouldn’t be so sure about that. He’s been playing a very prominent role in the show and has been a fan favorite for decades. And even if he’s not in the Mansion, I think there’s a good chance he’ll appear in a set within the next year (and that might be preferable depending on the price.)

[Lego Nostalgia]

Groot looks more demonic than Surtur lmao

[upliftingbricks]

I think if the Age of Ultron sets came out around the movie I'd love them but in 2024 with same old characters and repeated figures/slight variation figures amongst the sets themselves never mind AT and previous sets they don't seem worthwhile to me. Iron Legion set being the exception mainly due to price point.

I think the Milano looks great but Im not a Marvel ship collector so its a no from me but can see why people would like it. Surtur looks good and I like the fire demons (but more for castle than Marvel) and at the price point prob worth getting.

Do we think the plastic capes will become new standard at least for Superhero theme or Lego as a whole? I'd have to see them in person but apart from hair piece issue I don't mind them at first glance.

[JeanGreyForever]

1 hour ago, psqidexslizer said:

I wouldn’t be so sure about that. He’s been playing a very prominent role in the show and has been a fan favorite for decades. And even if he’s not in the Mansion, I think there’s a good chance he’ll appear in a set within the next year (and that might be preferable depending on the price.)

There's supposed to be a season each year so if we get more sets next year, hopefully he'll show up. Otherwise maybe in another CMF series.

10 minutes ago, upliftingbricks said:

Do we think the plastic capes will become new standard at least for Superhero theme or Lego as a whole? I'd have to see them in person but apart from hair piece issue I don't mind them at first glance.

The fabric ones feel so cheap lately. Like the new Magneto minifig or the CMF Wanda minifig. The capes get bunched up by their hairpieces that the plastic ones seem almost an improvement.

[Mandalorianknight]

6 hours ago, benderisgreat said:

Diorama has 613 pieces which nowadays Lego would price at around 70$ without Hulk bigfig. Which is good price considering all the minifigs. Bigfigs historically added around 10$ to the price of the set. Hence 80$ for this set would be a fair price. Lego has been raising prices a lot since 2022 but his one seems a bit too much. Not as egregious as 2023 Captain Marvel set though.

I dunno. On the one hand, even with a bigfig, 613 pieces for $100 is pretty bad. But I dunno, it LOOKS like a $100 set to me. It feels like the value is there- I'd say it's more value of stuff than the NWH set, which they apparently charge $110 for now? 

1 hour ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

Groot looks more demonic than Surtur lmao

Surtur looks like a demon (in a good way), Groot looks like an abomination, Abomination.... isn't a figure.

More thought-out thoughts on the sets:

Iron Legion battle pack: Peak Marvel battle pack with a build that puts Star Wars to shame. Only gripe is Iron man instead of a second Hydra soldier, but since I'm not personally going to army build this, I'm fine with it. This is also the first battle pack where I've really felt that the $20 value is there- that's a chonky build.

Surtur: The value is there, for $30, I guess. It LOOKS excellent, and if I was a kid, I'd be eating it up. As-is, since I've not got the largest marvel collection, it's an easy pass- but still an excellent toy.

Leviathan: When I was 8, I went and saw The Avengers in theatres. It was the first marvel movie I'd seen on the big screen, and it's what got me into the wider marvel universe instead of just captain america. I was extremely bummed the leviathan wasn't a set. This is exactly what I would have wanted back then, and for $50, an excellent price. Another that I won't personally pick up for space reasons, but another that's still an excellent set.

Avengers Assemble: First day 1 buy from this theme since Endgame. What a beautiful set. It also feels more full than something like the NWH set, despite having a number less parts. 613 pieces for $100 is a horrible PPP ratio, but personally I really see the value- it looks big, it's bursting at the seams with figures, etc.

UCS Milano: because that's what it is. Not a guardians megafan, but this was a perfect choice for a UCS marvel set, and looks incredible. Another one where I won't pick it up but think it's a really incredible set.

All in all I think this is the best lego marvel wave... maybe ever, to be honest. It'll be the first time since Endgame I've bought multiple full sets from a single wave (I'm not counting the mechs that I've impulse bought for the parts months after their release), and the first time since Endgame I'll have made a day 1 purchase.

Edited May 1, 2024 by Mandalorianknight

[Classic_Spaceman]

16 minutes ago, upliftingbricks said:

Do we think the plastic capes will become new standard at least for Superhero theme or Lego as a whole? I'd have to see them in person but apart from hair piece issue I don't mind them at first glance.

I doubt that plastic/rubber will replace cloth entirely, but I can see them becoming more common in superheroes sets, as they lend themselves better to action poses (facilitated by the increasingly-common clear posing bars). 
 

[Mandalorianknight]

8 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

I doubt that plastic/rubber will replace cloth entirely, but I can see them becoming more common in superheroes sets, as they lend themselves better to action poses (facilitated by the increasingly-common clear posing bars). 
 

Love the clear posing bars, who seem to have made their way into Star Wars now. Great way to turn a playset into a display item. 

Though personally I've been on this "they're coming for the cloth" theory for awhile now, and the fact that Thor and Loki both have them cements it for me that they're in the process of phasing out cloth minifigure elements. Beforehand there were other excuses- Keaton batman's iconic look lending itself well to a large single rubber part for the cowl and cape, the kamas being printed for either cost reasons or so the figs could sit, etc. Thor and Loki are generic capes.

[PGBQW]

9 hours ago, benderisgreat said:

Iron Legion BP is awesome for the price point and minifigs

What does BP mean? My mind keeps reading it as Battle Pass, but I know that can't be it. 

15 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

battle pack

Apparently I was close enough?

 

Anyway, I like most of the sets, but just enough so I don't need to buy them. 

They DO look good, but with the prince increases they're a bit too outside of my comfort zone

Edited May 1, 2024 by PGBQW

[psqidexslizer]

19 minutes ago, JeanGreyForever said:

There's supposed to be a season each year so if we get more sets next year, hopefully he'll show up. Otherwise maybe in another CMF series.

Yeah, it’s hard to predict who will and won’t be in the mansion. If the selection was based on how prevalent characters have been in the show, then Nightcrawler would make the cut over Wolverine, Gambit (skipping him wouldn’t be the worst things his fans have gone through this year), Storm, and maybe even Jubilee. But I think we’ll be getting Nightcrawler next year at least just because of how prevalent he is in the show and how popular he has been in comics and in other media.

9 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Though personally I've been on this "they're coming for the cloth" theory for awhile now, and the fact that Thor and Loki both have them cements it for me that they're in the process of phasing out cloth minifigure elements. Beforehand there were other excuses- Keaton batman's iconic look lending itself well to a large single rubber part for the cowl and cape, the kamas being printed for either cost reasons or so the figs could sit, etc. Thor and Loki are generic capes.

I’m curious to see how they’ll handle the hoods with capes. Ideally, they’d make a new piece for hood + cape.

[Classic_Spaceman]

11 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Love the clear posing bars, who seem to have made their way into Star Wars now. Great way to turn a playset into a display item. 

Same! 

12 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

the fact that Thor and Loki both have them cements it for me that they're in the process of phasing out cloth minifigure elements. . . Thor and Loki are generic capes.

Their Avengers/AoU capes attach directly on the top of their shoulders and then drop down from there, and have a more rectangular shape than LEGO’s typical triangular capes. This is reflected in the new parts, and plastic/rubber probably looks better in action poses than cloth (which can deform or hang strangely). 
This being said, I really do doubt that LEGO is phasing out all cloth elements, and I even think that there is still a place for cloth capes in the superheroes line (Superman comes immediately to mind!). 

[Mandalorianknight]

24 minutes ago, PGBQW said:

What does BP mean? My mind keeps reading it as Battle Pass, but I know that can't be it. 

Apparently I was close enough?

I did mean battle pack, but now I really want to know what a lego battle pass would look like- $19 a month and they sent a battle pack to your door a few pieces a day?

"Today's iron man's torso and head. Tomorrow you get the faceplate and helmet"

18 minutes ago, psqidexslizer said:

I’m curious to see how they’ll handle the hoods with capes. Ideally, they’d make a new piece for hood + cape.

I think hooded characters will have cloth capes for another few years, as the new hold mold was only 5 years ago. I also think they'll make it so the hood works with the cape, since I feel like hooded characters have to be able to turn their heads- though I would have said the same about Stormtroopers.

7 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

Same! 

Their Avengers/AoU capes attach directly on the top of their shoulders and then drop down from there, and have a more rectangular shape than LEGO’s typical triangular capes. This is reflected in the new parts, and plastic/rubber probably looks better in action poses than cloth (which can deform or hang strangely). 
This being said, I really do doubt that LEGO is phasing out all cloth elements, and I even think that there is still a place for cloth capes in the superheroes line (Superman comes immediately to mind!). 

I don't think lego's that worried about accuracy- I'm pretty sure a cape is a cape to them when it comes down to that level of detail.

Superman will be a good indication of how far they're going with this. If the 2025 set(s) have plastic capes, I think it'll be pretty clear that they're phasing out cloth. If not, they might be used interchangeably for a while longer.

[upliftingbricks]

22 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Though personally I've been on this "they're coming for the cloth" theory for awhile now, and the fact that Thor and Loki both have them cements it for me that they're in the process of phasing out cloth minifigure elements. Beforehand there were other excuses- Keaton batman's iconic look lending itself well to a large single rubber part for the cowl and cape, the kamas being printed for either cost reasons or so the figs could sit, etc. Thor and Loki are generic capes.

Kind of makes sense for a plastic toy company to make them in plastic rather than cloth. I don't know what their processes are for cloth products, whether its third party manufacture etc or cost of cloth material has sky rocketed but it surely different to everything else they produce. Making it plastic brings it inline with any other parts as it'll just be another mould. Whether its best for the minifigure or customer is another question 

[Lego Nostalgia]

7 minutes ago, upliftingbricks said:

Kind of makes sense for a plastic toy company to make them in plastic rather than cloth. I don't know what their processes are for cloth products, whether its third party manufacture etc or cost of cloth material has sky rocketed but it surely different to everything else they produce. Making it plastic brings it inline with any other parts as it'll just be another mould. Whether its best for the minifigure or customer is another question 

Cloth needs to stay, Rubber Capes don't work for everyone

Doctor Strange and Keaton's Batman should be it only

[Classic_Spaceman]

3 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I think hooded characters will have cloth capes for another few years, as the new hold mold was only 5 years ago. I also think they'll make it so the hood works with the cape

None of the existing hood pieces will fit with the new Asgardian cape piece. 

4 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I don't think lego's that worried about accuracy- I'm pretty sure a cape is a cape to them when it comes down to that level of detail.

If that were the case, then why did they make the Thor/Loki cape attach on the shoulders like it does in the movies? If LEGO wanted a new plastic cape to replace the cloth ones, they could easily have made a more generic plastic cape that just attached around the neck (which would also allow it to be compatible with the existing hood pieces). 

7 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

If the 2025 set(s) have plastic capes, I think it'll be pretty clear that they're phasing out cloth. If not, they might be used interchangeably for a while longer.

It will really come down to which characters get plastic capes. Classic Magneto (if we get him in the Mansion) would look great with the new cape, for example; Darth Vader, not so much. 
 

8 minutes ago, upliftingbricks said:

Kind of makes sense for a plastic toy company to make them in plastic rather than cloth. . . Making it plastic brings it inline with any other parts as it'll just be another mould. 

I can see a transition to the vinyl material used for Ninjago dragon wings in that case, but solid plastic/rubber would not work for things like sails! 
 

[upliftingbricks]

20 minutes ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

Cloth needs to stay, Rubber Capes don't work for everyone

Doctor Strange and Keaton's Batman should be it only

Everyone? Who you thinking of?

17 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

I can see a transition to the vinyl material used for Ninjago dragon wings in that case, but solid plastic/rubber would not work for things like sails! 
 

Yeah I agree wouldn't work for sails but how often do they do sails compared to capes? If its driven by cost cutting exercise (its an assumption based on cost of living) even if they don't get rid of all cloth for everything its used for, stopping it for capes with a plastic alternative might be a decent saving and I don't think the issues with hair and hoods would be insurmountable if it is their long term plan. It's all guessing and assuming till we see more or less usage.

I think it'll be a mix going forward as cant see LOTR characters in Rivendell set for example having plastic capes, so maybe it's a Superhero thing.

[JeanGreyForever]

7 minutes ago, upliftingbricks said:

Everyone? Who you thinking of?

Jedi Knight robes.

[psqidexslizer]

56 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

This being said, I really do doubt that LEGO is phasing out all cloth elements, and I even think that there is still a place for cloth capes in the superheroes line (Superman comes immediately to mind!). 

I completely disagree on Superman. The way the Thor cape drapes over the shoulders is perfect for him. They don’t even need to recolor it.

[Lego Nostalgia]

11 minutes ago, upliftingbricks said:

Everyone? Who you thinking of?

Yeah I agree wouldn't work for sails but how often do they do sails compared to capes? If its driven by cost cutting exercise (its an assumption based on cost of living) even if they don't get rid of all cloth for everything its used for, stopping it for capes with a plastic alternative might be a decent saving and I don't think the issues with hair and hoods would be insurmountable if it is their long term plan. It's all guessing and assuming till we see more or less usage.

I think it'll be a mix going forward as cant see LOTR characters in Rivendell set for example having plastic capes, so maybe it's a Superhero thing.

I mean it only works for some characters, Batman and Doctor Strange look good with the rubber capes but people like Thor,Loki,Superman don't since it looks more cloth like in the movies

Edited May 1, 2024 by Lego Nostalgia

[JeanGreyForever]

1 hour ago, psqidexslizer said:

Yeah, it’s hard to predict who will and won’t be in the mansion. If the selection was based on how prevalent characters have been in the show, then Nightcrawler would make the cut over Wolverine, Gambit (skipping him wouldn’t be the worst things his fans have gone through this year), Storm, and maybe even Jubilee. But I think we’ll be getting Nightcrawler next year at least just because of how prevalent he is in the show and how popular he has been in comics and in other media.

I'm guessing the team roster will reflect what we saw in the promotion for the show rather than in the actual episodes themselves. Nightcrawler was only featured in the wave 2 merch for the show, centering on the spoiler stuff. It's not impossible to imagine he'll be included, but I think the focus will be on the main team roster that the show started off with. Hence why Nightcrawler has had more of a presence than Bishop but Bishop is more likely to be included.

Like you said, Nightcrawler is popular enough to include in later sets. Technically, he's even been Spider-Man for a while so it wouldn't be uncalled for if he showed up in a future Spider-Man D2C set like Oscorp.

1 minute ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

I mean it only works for some characters, Batman and Doctor Strange look good with the rubber capes but people like Thor,Loki,Superman don't since it looks more cloth like in the movies

It makes sense for Doctor Strange because his cloak more or less is its own character and can be used in play as a separate piece. You couldn't do that with a cloth cape plus a separate cloth collar. I don't think the others need it. Superman's cape in particular should be dynamic and able to flow.

[benderisgreat]

1 hour ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

I doubt that plastic/rubber will replace cloth entirely, but I can see them becoming more common in superheroes sets, as they lend themselves better to action poses (facilitated by the increasingly-common clear posing bars). 
 

Yeah it seems unlikely rubber capes are fully replacing cloth ones. Lego does try experimenting with this things once in a while and they usually fail and get disregarded soon after. Remember 2015 supejumpers piece?

Edited May 1, 2024 by benderisgreat

[Lego Nostalgia]

As long as they keep cloth capes for Star Wars and Superman I guess it's not so bad.

[Mandalorianknight]

1 hour ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

None of the existing hood pieces will fit with the new Asgardian cape piece. 

That's what I said- the cloth capes will stick around with hooded characters awhile- since the hoods can't fit on the new cape- and we'll eventually get a hood that meshes with a plastic cape.

1 hour ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

If that were the case, then why did they make the Thor/Loki cape attach on the shoulders like it does in the movies? If LEGO wanted a new plastic cape to replace the cloth ones, they could easily have made a more generic plastic cape that just attached around the neck (which would also allow it to be compatible with the existing hood pieces). 

Because they liked how it looked? it's not the most obscure cape design. 

To clairfy- I'm not saying lego did it completely regardless of the fact that that's the style Thor uses- I'm saying I don't think they'll hesitate to use this on other characters, and that I doubt a theme like lego marvel would allocate a new mold to a cape that attaches slightly differently.

20 minutes ago, benderisgreat said:

Yeah it seems unlikely runner capes are fully replacing cloth ones. Lego does try experimenting with this things once in a while and they usually fail and get disregarded soon after. Remember 2015 supejumpers piece?

But they've been working towards this for awhile- Keaton Batman, Dr. Strange, and BTAS batman all have rubber capes as of 2024, and it's not a gimmick like superjumpers.

Edited May 1, 2024 by Mandalorianknight

[benderisgreat]

10 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

That's what I said- the cloth capes will stick around with hooded characters awhile- since the hoods can't fit on the new cape- and we'll eventually get a hood that meshes with a plastic cape.

Because they liked how it looked? it's not the most obscure cape design. 

But they've been working towards this for awhile- Keaton Batman, Dr. Strange, and BTAS batman all have rubber capes as of 2024, and it's not a gimmick like superjumpers.

These characters you mentioned actually make sense to have rubber capes, especially Dr Strange. Rubber capes restrict hairpiece choices which can be seen on Thor. So I think as of now Lego is just trying it and wants to see the reaction these capes get

Edited May 2, 2024 by benderisgreat

[Mandalorianknight]

Just now, benderisgreat said:

These characters you mentioned actually make sense to have rubber capes, especially Dr Strange. Rubber capes restrict hairpiece choices whi can be seen on Thor. So I think asvof now Lego is just trying it and wants tomsee the reaction these capes get

Like I said earlier, Keaton Batman and Dr Strange are both characters that make sense. BTAS Batman, not as much and ESPECIALLY not Thor and Loki. My point is that I think the earlier ones were testing the waters, but it's now pretty clear that lego is trying to move away from cloth elements.

[Clone OPatra]

2 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

My point is that I think the earlier ones were testing the waters, but it's now pretty clear that lego is trying to move away from cloth elements.

I think that's reading too much into it and LEGO is instead experimenting with having many options at their disposal to use whichever one they see fit in any particular instance.

The lack of waistcapes on clones also would've signalled that "LEGO doesn't do cloth waistcapes any more" - and then LEGO proceeds to bust them out for Dreamzzz.

For sure there are some types of things that will never return, but I don't think the existence of several rubber capes in Superheroes spells the end of cloth elements at large.