ASLUME (formerly Batman (DC Superheroes) 2024 - Rumors & Discussion)

[Renny The Spaceman]

1 minute ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Notice how I didn't even say anything about the series itself? 

I like Caped Crusader. I don't think it's great or anything—definitely worse than, say, My Adventures with Superman—but still really good.

I was rather talking about audience vs critics ratings, writers for comicbook projects, believability in fictional stories etc.

I can absolutely understand someone not liking the series—it definitely has its flaws, which might be much more impactful for some than they are for me.

What I can't understand is people trying to justify their ridiculous "forced diversity" takes, or gatekeeping who should be allowed to create those projects.

Right but have you considered the gingercide going on? No, I'm never mad when ginger characters are played by people like Gary Oldman or Charlie Cox and I've never said a word about the new Jimmy Olsen actor but I'm really concerned about the erasure of ginger characters. It's just I only vocalise it when they're replaced by someone who looks "modern" even if they have red hair in whatever media I'm mad about like with the Little Mermaid remake or the cancelled Batgirl film.

This is a very serious issue though, I care about it so deeply just please don't ask why I never bring it up when the character's not white 

2 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

don't know, I think the only thing Deadpool & Wolverine proves is that nostalgia sells, but that might be just me.

Yeah, it's got literally nothing to do with the topic of modernising the past because it's set in present day. There's literally only one way you could consider it relevant to the topic of caped crusader 'changing history' and it doesn't really make the person who said that look good

 

4 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

What do you mean by "these days"? Audience score is absolutely worthless—at least on Rotten Tomatoes. You're either a "9/10 incredible movie", or a "5/10 boring slop". 

Just look at Deadpool & Wolverine—9.4/10? Seriously? Even people who have seen the movie know that it absolutely does not deserve a rating like that.

It happens because people on websites like this one, or IMDb, operate in extremes—you're either a 10/10, or a 1/10. Not to mention review bombing, which happens more and more often.

No it's the most reliable source of the general audiences opinion on any piece of art. Just look at how many reviews appeared a couple months back on the 2008 movie Acolytes talking about how it ruined star wars. Finally the people stuck it to that film that really fell off after episode 3

4 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

That's quite possibly the most close-minded take I've ever seen. You realise that most directors, writers and actors aren't actually passionate nerds who have been following the source material since their childhoods, right?

My favourite example is Tony Gilroy—he isn't a fan of Star Wars. Yet he still wrote and was the showrunner of the best Star Wars project, that doesn't rely on nostalgia or previous knowledge of things.

I think it's one of the most anti-art takes to be completely honest, while it's good if an artist has a respect for the source material when this stuff is made by people who self identify as fans first you get stuff like the Rise of Skywalker where it's just vapidly jerking off IP while having characters say old lines they said before while the score stops for the audience to applause.

From all aspects of production it doesn't matter if someone is a fan. Robert Pattinson wasn't massive fanboy, neither was Christopher Nolan, they had a respect for the source material, read up on it to understand what angle they'd take the character and were willing to bring their own spin to it. 

Not that fans can't make good work, I like James Gunn a fair bit, plenty of talent comes from a childhood love of these stories but would anyone here argue they prefer Peacemaker to The Dark Knight? Or Deadpool 3, or Spiderman no way home?

If you want media to only appeal to fanboy desires you get Chewbacca getting his medal 

[THELEGOBATMAN]

5 minutes ago, Renny The Spaceman said:

No it's the most reliable source of the general audiences opinion on any piece of art. Just look at how many reviews appeared a couple months back on the 2008 movie Acolytes talking about how it ruined star wars. Finally the people stuck it to that film that really fell off after episode 3

I've recently argued with some fool on Twitter whose argument was that "review bombing is justified when you think the project is going to be bad" and "that other Acolyte project was just fallout damage".

Like, I genuinely have no idea how anyone can take things like RT audience scores seriously. Like sure, I don't think we should heavily rely on critics' opinions, but at least they aren't illiterate, "anti-woke" review bombers. 

8 minutes ago, Renny The Spaceman said:

but would anyone here argue they prefer Peacemaker to The Dark Knight?

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[Renny The Spaceman]

9 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

I've recently argued with some fool on Twitter whose argument was that "review bombing is justified when you think the project is going to be bad" and "that other Acolyte project was just fallout damage".

Like, I genuinely have no idea how anyone can take things like RT audience scores seriously. Like sure, I don't think we should heavily rely on critics' opinions, but at least they aren't illiterate, "anti-woke" review bombers.

Yeah, it's pure medieval peasant brain, no matter how hard you tug at the logic people who have decided that their holy war will be over star wars will not buy anything that ultimately shows how little the layperson gives a shit

To be completely clear I hate most of the modern streaming franchise slop, but this is just how most branded entertainment is now because corporations realised as long as character you recognise shows up in something money will be made, they don't need to put in effort. It has nothing to do with wokeness or an anti white agenda or Brie Larson. 

16 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Uh... um...

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Yeah, maybe I was being a little unfair with looping Peacemaker in with the Deadpool 3s and Rise of Skywalkers of the world. I personally think it's got issues but it is something driven by an artist having something to say about a character with actual filmmaking competency shown throughout. Episode 4 is also really megablocking good 

I guess I should say because I don't think I articulated it all too well art made by hardcore fans can be great, I think Gunn's The Suicide Squad is the only adaptation that gets the original Ostrander run and by doing so it does actually say things and has some gorgeous cinematography, it's something I'd consider a good movie generally and not just a good superhero movie. But I think what makes good movie requires fandom being second to telling a cohesive story with something to say. 

[ARC2149Nova]

4 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

What‘s the distinction between „forced“ and „natural“ diversity I wonder? These days, pretty much every character who isn‘t a cis-het caucasian man, no matter whether they‘re brand-new or adapted, gets called „woke“ online. So what exactly are the criteria here?

My opinion on the subject has always been to either elevate existing characters from the source material (Lucius Fox, Renee Montoya, which was done) or create new and original characters, (something that used to occur all the time, especially in cartoon adaptations). Why change pre-existing characters to check boxes when they could just as easily be someone completely new? The answer: it's easier to do so. People who hate the idea of creating new characters over changing old ones must not be very imaginative.

There are people who do think that any diversity is forced, but I think there's a clear difference between, say, Cassandra Cain and Luke Fox (even Jace Fox) and race-swapped Gordons. I'm currently watching The Batman (2004) series and I absolutely love the characters of Ethan Bennet and Ellen Yin. To be honest, I like Gordon (Jim at least) in the new show, sure it's a swap, but the character himself is quite enjoyable.

Also, you notice how these changes, that matter so little, never happen in reverse, or to the star of the show? Wonder why that is...

At the end of the day, there are thousands of DC characters. Do a little digging, or flex those creative muscles. It's what you're getting paid to do.

5 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Whether a creator is a fan of the IP or not is irrelevant as it‘s always a group effort. Fans can hand it poor scripts and writers unfamiliar with the IP can deliver great work. Encyclopedic knowledge of the IP can‘t help you write a good story  That‘s why the connective tissue and easter eggs are often added by people outside of the main writing team. For instance, the idea to use Saw Gerrera as the leader of the Partisans in Rogue One didn‘t come from any of the writers, it was the storygroup who suggested it.

I can agree with this. I do think one should have some knowledge of the IP and what came before, so as to respect it and the fans, but like you said, decisions almost never come down to one man.

5 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

What I can't understand is people trying to justify their ridiculous "forced diversity" takes, or gatekeeping who should be allowed to create those projects.

What do we call those? Opinions. 

5 hours ago, Renny The Spaceman said:

Right but have you considered the gingercide going on? No, I'm never mad when ginger characters are played by people like Gary Oldman or Charlie Cox and I've never said a word about the new Jimmy Olsen actor but I'm really concerned about the erasure of ginger characters. It's just I only vocalise it when they're replaced by someone who looks "modern" even if they have red hair in whatever media I'm mad about like with the Little Mermaid remake or the cancelled Batgirl film.

This is a very serious issue though, I care about it so deeply just please don't ask why I never bring it up when the character's not white 

I mean, what is brunette anyway except a really dark red? 

Even if you don't think it's an issue, it has happened a lot recently. It is a trend, nothing wrong in noticing that.

4 hours ago, Renny The Spaceman said:

To be completely clear I hate most of the modern streaming franchise slop, but this is just how most branded entertainment is now because corporations realised as long as character you recognise shows up in something money will be made, they don't need to put in effort.

I agree that most things boil down to low effort or laziness. Nothing matters, money will be printed either way.

[THELEGOBATMAN]

7 hours ago, Renny The Spaceman said:

Right but have you considered the gingercide going on? No, I'm never mad when ginger characters are played by people like Gary Oldman or Charlie Cox and I've never said a word about the new Jimmy Olsen actor but I'm really concerned about the erasure of ginger characters. It's just I only vocalise it when they're replaced by someone who looks "modern" even if they have red hair in whatever media I'm mad about like with the Little Mermaid remake or the cancelled Batgirl film.

Reminded me of this gem:

Just absolutely ridiculous. Favourite inclusion is LEGO Batgirl, for some reason. 

The funniest part is that most of those characters either have red hair in both interpretations, or never even had it to begin with.

2 hours ago, ARC2149Nova said:

What do we call those? Opinions. 

In topics like these, there's a very thin line between an opinion and visible bias. 

2 hours ago, ARC2149Nova said:

My opinion on the subject has always been to either elevate existing characters from the source material (Lucius Fox, Renee Montoya, which was done) or create new and original characters, (something that used to occur all the time, especially in cartoon adaptations). Why change pre-existing characters to check boxes when they could just as easily be someone completely new? The answer: it's easier to do so. People who hate the idea of creating new characters over changing old ones must not be very imaginative.

Don't act like the same group of people wouldn't just whine about introducing original characters in a Batman series. Bonus outrage if they're black, a woman, or non-hetero. I can already imagine the Tweets.

"All I've wanted was a proper Batman show, but no, they have to introduce some new characters no one cares about."

The thing is, it doesn't matter what they do. The same crowd will always complain about diversity, no matter how you hand it to them.

Edited August 4, 2024 by THELEGOBATMAN

[ARC2149Nova]

36 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

 Don't act like the same group of people wouldn't just whine about introducing original characters in a Batman series. Bonus outrage if they're black, a woman, or non-hetero. I can already imagine the Tweets.

"All I've wanted was a proper Batman show, but no, they have to introduce some new characters no one cares about."

The thing is, it doesn't matter what they do. The same crowd will always complain about diversity, no matter how you hand it to them.

Yes, some are like that. But that's not the issue I have. I've made my feelings clear on the matter. Who cares what other people think?

39 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Reminded me of this gem:

Just absolutely ridiculous. 

I mean, he's not lying. It is a trend at least.

[Mandalorianknight]

6 hours ago, Renny The Spaceman said:

Right but have you considered the gingercide going on? No, I'm never mad when ginger characters are played by people like Gary Oldman or Charlie Cox and I've never said a word about the new Jimmy Olsen actor but I'm really concerned about the erasure of ginger characters. It's just I only vocalise it when they're replaced by someone who looks "modern" even if they have red hair in whatever media I'm mad about like with the Little Mermaid remake or the cancelled Batgirl film.

This is a very serious issue though, I care about it so deeply just please don't ask why I never bring it up when the character's not white 

"gingercide" is a dumb term and people shouldn't act like it's the end of the world or whatever- it's just odd casting choices-, but you can't pretend redheads aren't the most frequent characters to get the short end of the stick accuracy wise, regardless of what race is playing them. I've said before it's one of my few minor gripes with daredevil. Part of it seems to be that if they ever try a wig, it's the most ridiculous thing imaginable (cletus in venom's post-credits). 

That said, none of the Jim Gordons have ever bothered me, whether it's TDK, TLBM, or The Batman. Complete hypocrisy there, but it's just never bothered me.

1 hour ago, ARC2149Nova said:

My opinion on the subject has always been to either elevate existing characters from the source material (Lucius Fox, Renee Montoya, which was done) or create new and original characters, (something that used to occur all the time, especially in cartoon adaptations). Why change pre-existing characters to check boxes when they could just as easily be someone completely new? The answer: it's easier to do so. People who hate the idea of creating new characters over changing old ones must not be very imaginative.

There are people who do think that any diversity is forced, but I think there's a clear difference between, say, Cassandra Cain and Luke Fox (even Jace Fox) and race-swapped Gordons. I'm currently watching The Batman (2004) series and I absolutely love the characters of Ethan Bennet and Ellen Yin. To be honest, I like Gordon (Jim at least) in the new show, sure it's a swap, but the character himself is quite enjoyable.

Also, you notice how these changes, that matter so little, never happen in reverse, or to the star of the show? Wonder why that is...

At the end of the day, there are thousands of DC characters. Do a little digging, or flex those creative muscles. It's what you're getting paid to do.

This is very well-articulated.

Bennet and Yin should both return, massive highlights of a show that didn't start out with a billion sidekicks and as such was able to actually develop GCPD beyond Gordon.

8 hours ago, Renny The Spaceman said:

Not that fans can't make good work, I like James Gunn a fair bit, plenty of talent comes from a childhood love of these stories but would anyone here argue they prefer Peacemaker to The Dark Knight? Or Deadpool 3, or Spiderman no way home?

The Dark Knight is an interesting movie to use for this argument. I have a copy of The Long Halloween right here and it includes a segment by Chris Nolan talking about how important it was when developing that movie.

That said, I agree in general that you don't have to be a huge fan of the lore beforehand to make a good show, so long as you let the lore guys make their connections (Andor is a great example), you research your material, and more importantly, you respect the source material. We've seen what happens when the writers don't respect the source material, like the Halo show, or how the Witcher went from rivaling Mando's popularity in some ways to nearly completely disappearing once they got rid of Cavill.

[GonzoTheGreat]

19 hours ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

Batman is barely in it, the classic ol bait and switch, a lot of people are race swapped and that ain't Harley or Penguin, JJ Abrams and Bruce Timm are to blame, Paul Dini wrote the old series and WB canceled this show for a reason, it has 100% on RT which can't be trusted these days, Audience Score matters, I don't care if I get called out for my opinion but that's all I have to say, Only passionate Comic Fans for the source material should be hired to write this stuff and diversity shouldn't be forced or the main focus, diversity is great when it's natural, why are they always replacing redheads ? you can't ignore this stuff.

Should have just given it to Matt Reeves even though he worked on this I still believe he didn't make these choices.

Batman had a good voice though and the suit was cool, loved the tone of the 30s/40s but that's all I like about it.

What does it matter if characters are portrayed as a different race? Barbara quite literally still has red hair

[Mandalorianknight]

57 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

In topics like these, there's a very thin line between an opinion and visible bias. 

I don't know that I like the implication you're making about @ARC2149Nova here, but regardless, this is starting down the slippery slope of "you have to have a specific viewpoint on a topic or your opinion is bad"

18 minutes ago, ARC2149Nova said:

I mean, he's not lying. It is a trend at least.

The most surprising thing in that image for me is that they adapted Carrie Kelly? Did the CW try to do a Dark Knight Returns at some point?

[PsychoBuilder]

Why do I even keep reading this thread man

[THELEGOBATMAN]

34 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I don't know that I like the implication you're making about @ARC2149Nova here, but regardless, this is starting down the slippery slope of "you have to have a specific viewpoint on a topic or your opinion is bad"

I wasn't making any kind of statement about them—I don't know him or his opinions well enough to even think about forming those kind of accusations. 

It was just a general thought, that what might be just a general opinion, some might perceive as bias because of how said thought had been phrased.

The discussion has been civil, and I am genuinely curious in finding out why someone would care so much about the race of a fictional character, to whom that race is completely irrelevant. It's an interesting line of discussion, seeing as both of us have clearly opposing opinions; but not because of hatred or bias, just general views.

40 minutes ago, Brickroll said:

Why do I even keep reading this thread man

Because it's the greatest thread to have ever existed on Eurobricks.

Are you not entertained?

1 hour ago, ARC2149Nova said:

Yes, some are like that. But that's not the issue I have. I've made my feelings clear on the matter. Who cares what other people think?

Yeah, you're right. Sorry if most of my replies seem targeted directly towards you—they're not.

I'm just quoting parts of your replies to discuss general issues that I find particularly interesting on a larger scale.

[Renny The Spaceman]

36 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

"gingercide" is a dumb term and people shouldn't act like it's the end of the world or whatever- it's just odd casting choices-, but you can't pretend redheads aren't the most frequent characters to get the short end of the stick accuracy wise, regardless of what race is playing them. I've said before it's one of my few minor gripes with daredevil. Part of it seems to be that if they ever try a wig, it's the most ridiculous thing imaginable (cletus in venom's post-credits). 

That said, none of the Jim Gordons have ever bothered me, whether it's TDK, TLBM, or The Batman. Complete hypocrisy there, but it's just never bothered me.

I find it hard to care myself, I generally do prefer when they have actors dye their hair to match but don't really feel strongly either way. It's always very telling characters who keep the red hair like Batgirl or Ariel are still counted as Gingercide when the actor isn't white. While your position is totally valid here nothing I really said is relevant to it. Ginger characters are probably changed at a higher rate, though I don't really know how you'd reliably quantify that, I was only commenting on the fact that next to no-one who mentions that is talking about hair colour. As evidenced by Barbara in the show being ginger! No redheads have been lost here, this show doesn't contribute to that trend at all UNLESS you're issue isn't the character being ginger. Someone is free to think that characters should always be the same race as their original appearance, I think it's an arbitrary line to draw but if someone was going to they could at least be honest about it.

 

49 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I don't know that I like the implication you're making about @ARC2149Nova here, but regardless, this is starting down the slippery slope of "you have to have a specific viewpoint on a topic or your opinion is bad"

No-one is saying that, but the difference between opinion and bias is when it's applied selectively. If you think characters should always have the same hair colour as the comics all three versions of Barbara people complain about don't apply.

 

58 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

 

The Dark Knight is an interesting movie to use for this argument. I have a copy of The Long Halloween right here and it includes a segment by Chris Nolan talking about how important it was when developing that movie.

That said, I agree in general that you don't have to be a huge fan of the lore beforehand to make a good show, so long as you let the lore guys make their connections (Andor is a great example), you research your material, and more importantly, you respect the source material. We've seen what happens when the writers don't respect the source material, like the Halo show, or how the Witcher went from rivaling Mando's popularity in some ways to nearly completely disappearing once they got rid of Cavill.

Exactly, people don't need to be fans but adaptation requires knowledge of the original. An adapter doesn't even need to like the original (see starship troopers or the Flintstones comic) but they need to understand how the original ticks as you need to know the rules before you break them.

4 hours ago, ARC2149Nova said:

 

, or to the star of the show? Wonder why that is...

At the end of the day, there are thousands of DC characters. Do a little digging, or flex those creative muscles. It's what you're getting paid to do.

I can agree with this. I do think one should have some knowledge of the IP and what came before, so as to respect it and the fans, but like you said, decisions almost never come down to one man.

What do we call those? Opinions. 

I mean, what is brunette anyway except a really dark red? 

What is a ginger woman but ginger? Barbara is ginger in that show. Like if you want everyone to look exactly how they do in the comics that is your opinion but this isn't consistent. If you're not a fan of replacing redheads tdk should be an issue and this show wouldn't be in the conversation. I don't like being that guy but this is objectively an inconsistency  

Also I am confused at the  "you notice how these changes, that matter so little, never happen in reverse" of it all. Are you aware of what whitewashing is? It happens all the time with real history and used to be all the rage in blockbusters. just over a decade ago we had Johnny Depp in darkened skin as a native American and Jake Gyllenhall as a Persian. A week ago Marvel announced a prominently Romani character would be played by Robert Downey Junior and the same for Scarlet witch. The less said about most versions of Jesus the better.

It happens significantly less in the modern day in blockbusters because studios want minorities money too and the reason it rarely happens in reverse is there are a lot more white characters in franchises because all mainstream media now is based around franchises made decades ago. There are more white characters to change that is why more white characters are changed. It's sorta like saying it's weird that so many people who drive a car wind up becoming construction workers. Most people drive cars so more likely than not if someone is going to become a construction worker they drove a care before 

For the record I will say, like thelegobatman, I'm not aiming any accusations at anyone. I don't know the beliefs of who I'm talking about and am replying only to their arguments. We are all inmates in the same aslume and that is, of course a bond closer than brothers. However there are inconsistencies in what the post I responded to said that imply to me either I am missing something about their perspective or they are perhaps missing some context about broader trends in media 

[RedHoodPug]

11 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

I don't understand people, who complain about Batman calling Alfred 'Pennyworth' and are somehow okay with Bruce's treatment of his butler in the 2022 movie.

Having been the first to mention the former statement, I can honestly say that I've never voiced an opinion on the latter.

10 hours ago, Renny The Spaceman said:

Not that fans can't make good work, I like James Gunn a fair bit, plenty of talent comes from a childhood love of these stories but would anyone here argue they prefer Peacemaker to The Dark Knight? 

I'd be with TDK but I'd be thinking about Peacemaker.

[Renny The Spaceman]

20 minutes ago, RedHoodPug said:

I'd be with TDK but I'd be thinking about Peacemaker.

Scandalous 

[strangely]

 

6 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Reminded me of this gem:

That list is pretty funny, it includes aliens and characters with synthetic shades of red that don't even exist in nature (looking at you MJ). Also the little mermaid was never specified as a red head in the original story, people just associate it with her because of the popularity of the Disney version.

The gingercide debate is made funnier by the fact that Barbara Gordon wasn't the first version of Batgirl, it was Bette Kane (as Bat-Girl). So literally the red headed version of batgirl is just a favored version, not even the original. Even the live action debut of Barbara portrayed her with dark hair (though her batgirl mask did include a red wig).

[ARC2149Nova]

49 minutes ago, strangely said:

That list is pretty funny, it includes aliens

Literally all Titans needed to do was use skin paint and it'd be a non-issue (see Gamora). There are ebony cosplayers of Starfire that are absolutely gorgeous, with nowhere close to the budget of an official DC project. Just giving the actress a red wig was the laziest costuming decision I've ever seen.

51 minutes ago, strangely said:

Barbara Gordon wasn't the first version of Batgirl, it was Bette Kane (as Bat-Girl). So literally the red headed version of batgirl is just a favored version, not even the original. Even the live action debut of Barbara portrayed her with dark hair (though her batgirl mask did include a red wig).

Just wait until they find out she's not even Jim's daughter (she's his niece).

How is that relevant? It's not, I just thought it was a cool detail. 

[RedHoodPug]

9 hours ago, strangely said:

The gingercide debate is made funnier by the fact that Barbara Gordon wasn't the first version of Batgirl, it was Bette Kane (as Bat-Girl).

That's completely irrelevant given that it's a different character entirely. Post Bab's introduction they appeared concurrently anyway - not necessarily in the same book (although they have both appeared in the same title on more than one occasion), but certainly in the same continuity. 

9 hours ago, strangely said:

That list is pretty funny, it includes aliens and characters with synthetic shades of red that don't even exist in nature (looking at you MJ).

I missed this part. I mean it is a list of fictional characters to begin with. The idea that the original creator chose an unrealistic hair colour doesn't mean that it doesn't count. 

[Coryo]

I really hope the Batman cowl pieces from 2012 and 2015 aren't going to be phased out completely, IMO the new dual-molded one just looks too bulky and I can't see it working for most of the live-action Batmen, it barely suits the comic version as is.

[Lego Nostalgia]

1 hour ago, Coryo said:

I really hope the Batman cowl pieces from 2012 and 2015 aren't going to be phased out completely, IMO the new dual-molded one just looks too bulky and I can't see it working for most of the live-action Batmen, it barely suits the comic version as is.

The 2012 one will still be used for Nolan's Batman and probably Pattinson's if they don't give him a new cowl

[THELEGOBATMAN]

1 hour ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

The 2012 one will still be used for Nolan's Batman and probably Pattinson's if they don't give him a new cowl

It's gonna be my villain origin story if the second Battinson minifigure is just as bad as the first one—and I truly hate it.

[Mandalorianknight]

3 hours ago, Coryo said:

I really hope the Batman cowl pieces from 2012 and 2015 aren't going to be phased out completely, IMO the new dual-molded one just looks too bulky and I can't see it working for most of the live-action Batmen, it barely suits the comic version as is.

My biggest gripe with the cowls are that they are all meant for white eyes, when NONE of the live action batmen have had it, save like one scene from TDK. If we got a new mold soon (we won't), my want would be one with the eyes where normal minifig eyes go, so we could finally get accurate heads for all live-action batmen.

49 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

It's gonna be my villain origin story if the second Battinson minifigure is just as bad as the first one—and I truly hate it.

THELEGOJONKLER origin story? Because you know they aren't doing a fifth mainline cowl this soon, with the theme in this state.

[THELEGOBATMAN]

49 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

THELEGOJONKLER origin story? Because you know they aren't doing a fifth mainline cowl this soon, with the theme in this state.

When the time comes for us to get sets for the The Batman sequel, and the Batman minifigure sucks, I will change my profile picture once again, this time to the worst Joker minifigure of this forum's choice.

[psqidexslizer]

10 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

When the time comes for us to get sets for the The Batman sequel, and the Batman minifigure sucks, I will change my profile picture once again, this time to the worst Joker minifigure of this forum's choice.

“worst Joker minifgure”

They never made a minifgure for Jared Leto Joker. 

[PsychoBuilder]

25 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

When the time comes for us to get sets for the The Batman sequel, and the Batman minifigure sucks, I will change my profile picture once again, this time to the worst Joker minifigure of this forum's choice.

I’ll one up you and have the joker Minifigure doing what his actor did in saltburn

[BrickBob Studpants]

26 minutes ago, psqidexslizer said:

“worst Joker minifgure”

They never made a minifgure for Jared Leto Joker. 

He never said it would have to be an official minifig