ASLUME (formerly Batman (DC Superheroes) 2024 - Rumors & Discussion)

[ARC2149Nova]

18 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

True, it's hard to estimate public interest in general. But it's exactly that, a lack of output, that makes me think the demand is not really there. The box office failure of the last seven or so DCEU films also indicates a declining interest, despite The Batman having performed pretty well; and I'm pretty sure Joker 2 won't do anywhere near as well as the first one. The true test will be Supes 

I mean, marketing did Rock Adam and Blue Beetle no favors (seriously, those movies came and went with zero fanfare), add to that the dubious quality of both films, it's understandable why interest is waning.

[RedHoodPug]

12 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

True, it's hard to estimate public interest in general. But it's exactly that, a lack of output, that makes me think the demand is not really there. The box office failure of the last seven or so DCEU films also indicates a declining interest, despite The Batman having performed pretty well; and I'm pretty sure Joker 2 won't do anywhere near as well as the first one. The true test will be Supes 

Something of a vicious circle, methinks. The output was so inconsistent that keeping a rapt audience was almost impossible. I really want Superman to succeed, but I just don't want the same thing to happen as happens to so many other licenses. Too often you can see fandoms nuking their own favourites and the studios and production companies are left holding the burning wreckage.

[CloneCommando99]

I only need the DCU to deliver on Superman, Lanterns and Brave and The Bold. I will be content if they are able to do those decently. It’s about time GL became a household name in Superhero Movies, they deserve it. (More than Aquaman)

Imagine if Lego refuses to make sets for Superman in 2025 but the film turns out to be a huge box office success. They’d probably have a melt down over there. Trying to use Superman to promote the Batman sets.

Edited June 19, 2024 by CloneCommando99

[legoturtle]

3 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

I'm pretty sure Joker 2 won't do anywhere near as well as the first one.

• What if Joker 2 will be even BIGGER hit than the Joker?
• What if DC fans / Batman fans want something what is brave and take risks?
• What if DC does things different way than terrible Marvel movie universe?

Maybe, just maybe... DC fans are more mature in their mind-set. The Batman (2022) showed us 1 thing. We want a movie where there is a plot. Where there is some sense. We don't want Marvel copies. Jack Snyder is still with us... is that a change to get something amazing? Tim Burton is a live. Michael Keaton is a live. Even Jack Nicholson. Batman, DC, Warner Brothers has all the aces on their hands.

Batman & DC can be so much more. Like Batman (1989), The Dark Knight Trilogy (2005-2012), The Batman (2022-)... 

Edited June 19, 2024 by legoturtle

[PGBQW]

5 minutes ago, legoturtle said:

Maybe, just maybe... DC fans are more mature in their mind-set.

Hahahahahahaha

[legoturtle]

Well all the others but me... 

BUT it might be true. Think about what kind of movies Joker and The Batman are and they were very successful both. Now they are doing even musical.

Look for example - how many views / how many likes. (in YouTube)

[CloneCommando99]

9 hours ago, PGBQW said:

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Edited June 20, 2024 by CloneCommando99

[BrickBob Studpants]

DC fans? Mature?!  Tell that to the Snyder cult that harrassed people for years and bullied a studio into releasing a director‘s cut  Or the people that throw hissy fits over new actors (Ledger, Affleck, and Pattinson come to mind).

Also, constantly trying to „prove“ how much better your fandom is compared to others isn‘t very mature either.

Edited June 20, 2024 by BrickBob Studpants

[legoturtle]

We were very lucky to get Justice League Snyder Cut. Fans <3 thank you. Without you it would have never happened.

[Lego Nostalgia]

4 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

DC fans? Mature?!  Tell that to the Snyder cult that harrassed people for years and bullied a studio into releasing a director‘s cut  Or the people that throw hissy fits over new actors (Ledger, Affleck, and Pattinson come to mind).

Also, constantly trying to „prove“ how much better your fandom is compared to others isn‘t very mature either.

To be fair the studio done many dirty and threw many under the bus (Henry,Ben,Ray,Zack)

[CloneCommando99]

Not a fan of Snyder tbh. I think that he did a phenomenal job on Wonder Woman and Watchmen. Not much else. I also find it ironic that one of the films that the Snyder-bros praise the most (Not DC I know) Is Dawn of The Dead. Which was written by James Gunn. The man that many of those people hate for being the new writer for DC movies.

@Lego Nostalgia I do agree that Henry Cavill was mistreated by WB. I also despise them for keeping Ezra Miller on board. 

[ARC2149Nova]

Snyder screwed up every Justice Leaguer, save for Wonder Woman. And I liked Ben and Henry in their roles.

Gunn will likely do the same. Both directors write characters as they see them, not as they are (still not happy about Adam Homelander ), so until I see Superman, I am not giving Gunn any slack.

Keeping Ezra Miller was such a brainless move by WB that it's really no wonder the DCEU died. At least Mera was hot. 

Reverse-Miller went on a career suicide speed run (no pun intended), and still kept his job. That's honestly impressive. 

 

[Lego Nostalgia]

1 hour ago, ARC2149Nova said:

Snyder screwed up every Justice Leaguer, save for Wonder Woman. And I liked Ben and Henry in their roles.

Gunn will likely do the same. Both directors write characters as they see them, not as they are (still not happy about Adam Homelander ), so until I see Superman, I am not giving Gunn any slack.

Keeping Ezra Miller was such a brainless move by WB that it's really no wonder the DCEU died. At least Mera was hot. 

Reverse-Miller went on a career suicide speed run (no pun intended), and still kept his job. That's honestly impressive. 

 

Ben Affleck was my favourite Batman (only BVS and ZSJL) since they butchered him in other things, he was the only Batman that looked scary and menacing plus he was brutal, Pattinson is 2nd best for me

[legoturtle]

 

 

[RedHoodPug]

3 hours ago, ARC2149Nova said:

Gunn will likely do the same. Both directors write characters as they see them, not as they are (still not happy about Adam Homelander ), so until I see Superman, I am not giving Gunn any slack.

The trick is keeping what endeared the character to fans (namely the writer/director) in the first place, and homing in on the parts that will endear them to new/casual/potential fans. Gunn will almost certainly adapt the characters somewhat, but he sure as eggs is eggs won't make them so edgy we get a paper cut from watching. For my two pence worth 

Cavill was as good as Reeve, not better. Superman wouldn't kill Zod though, and certainly not in that way or for that reason.

Affleck himself was good, but the character direction was off. The Martha thing was one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in film and I've seen the Blair Witch Project.

Gadot was the best of the three. I didn't see the need for the time jump in her story though.

Mamoa is brilliant and if he gets the Lobo gig it'll be some absolutely on point casting. He's not the King of the Seven Seas.

Fisher had so much potential but Snyder decided that Cyborg needed to be the moodiest teenager on the planet and yes he got some redemption in the directors cut, but I prefer Jovian Wade a lot more.

Ezra Miller portrayed a fun character who in no way, shape or form was Barry Allen, and as an actor he can get in the bin.

On the other hand I find it hard to criticise the characterisation of The Suicide Squad. All of them.

 

[ARC2149Nova]

2 hours ago, RedHoodPug said:

The trick is keeping what endeared the character to fans (namely the writer/director) in the first place, and homing in on the parts that will endear them to new/casual/potential fans. Gunn will almost certainly adapt the characters somewhat, but he sure as eggs is eggs won't make them so edgy we get a paper cut from watching. For my two pence worth 

Cavill was as good as Reeve, not better. Superman wouldn't kill Zod though, and certainly not in that way or for that reason.

Affleck himself was good, but the character direction was off. The Martha thing was one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in film and I've seen the Blair Witch Project.

Gadot was the best of the three. I didn't see the need for the time jump in her story though.

Mamoa is brilliant and if he gets the Lobo gig it'll be some absolutely on point casting. He's not the King of the Seven Seas.

Fisher had so much potential but Snyder decided that Cyborg needed to be the moodiest teenager on the planet and yes he got some redemption in the directors cut, but I prefer Jovian Wade a lot more.

Ezra Miller portrayed a fun character who in no way, shape or form was Barry Allen, and as an actor he can get in the bin.

On the other hand I find it hard to criticise the characterisation of The Suicide Squad. All of them.

 

All very good points. The Trinity was cast well (writing notwithstanding), the others were horrible misses. Mamoa as Lobo makes a lot more sense than Aquaman. I will admit that Ray could've worked if given better material.

Gunn goes the complete opposite way, though. Too wacky for my taste. A balance is needed for these characters to work well. And for new fans to not get the wrong idea about these characters when they (possibly) pick up a comic. Guardians of the Galaxy will never be the same after the Gunn movies, and I for one am not entirely happy about that. The JLI seems well suited to Gunn's style, I'll admit (its certainly the most free-spirited Justice League), so he may do a great job at writing them.

I just don't want to see Kal-Quill of Krypton.

[PGBQW]

5 hours ago, ARC2149Nova said:

All very good points. The Trinity was cast well

Idk man, maybe I'd cast someone who can act to play Superman but thats just me. Or Wonder Woman, for that matter.

 

I liked Affleck tho, he's pretty solid

Edited June 21, 2024 by PGBQW

[RedHoodPug]

1 hour ago, PGBQW said:

Idk man, maybe I'd cast someone who can act to play Superman but thats just me. Or Wonder Woman, for that matter.

 

I liked Affleck tho, he's pretty solid

They can both act, it's the directors job to be content with how.

6 hours ago, ARC2149Nova said:

Too wacky for my taste.

Bloodsport and Ratcatcher's relationship was played out very well. To me the film satirised the futility and absurdity of conflict in a vibrant way, but that's only my opinion. And with TSS Gunn was let loose and having fun, not really knowing the future of the franchise. Now he's got overall control over various character types who can't all be goofed up.

[CloneCommando99]

I really don’t think that the DCEU should have made Suicide Squad as one of their first movies. That slot should have been a Batman movie. Then we would  have had better foundations.

Edited June 21, 2024 by CloneCommando99

[legoturtle]

PLEASE, let's not look back. Let's look forward.

There are 2 TV series coming and 3 movies for example...

[BrickBob Studpants]

31 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said:

I really don’t think that the DCEU should have made Suicide Squad as one of their first movies. That slot should have been a Batman movie. Then we would  have had better foundations.

Agreed. Leto‘s Jonkler and Eisenberg’s Luthor were both huuuuuuuuge mistakes as well, as was the decision to kill Supes in his second appearance  And shooting Jimmy Olsen in the face. And the Martha scene. And the less said about would-be-Doomsday, the better.

I don‘t hate the DCEU, but man were there a ton of baffling decisions. My favourite thing about it are definitely some of the OSTs. Other than that, we desperately need a breath of fresh air, and the DCU so far sounds like it‘s gonna provide that

[THELEGOBATMAN]

48 minutes ago, RedHoodPug said:

They can both act, it's the directors job to be content with how.

Not really.

Cavill works in certain roles, but I feel like people have really overestimated his acting ability and popularity. He's handsome and he sounds like an extremely cool guy to know, but it's not like he's a great actor, nor is his draw big enough to make a movie financially successful (The Man from U.N.C.L.E., Argylle, The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare).

Gal Gadot is just an awful actress all-around tho. Haven't seen her in any role that I could even classify as mediocre. People only like seeing her on screen because she's beautiful, but she absolutely cannot act at all.

[BrickBob Studpants]

22 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Cavill works in certain roles, but I feel like people have really overestimated his acting ability and popularity.

I never disliked a performance of his (my favourite being in MI-Fallout), but I agree, he‘s not that big of a draw it seems. Argylle for instance flopped spectacularly

25 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

People only like seeing [Gadot] on screen because she's beautiful, but she absolutely cannot act at all.

Harsh, but fair. „KAL-EL, NO!“ has been memed to death for good reason  I liked her version of WW in most of her appearances, but the acting wasn’t exactly stellar. At least she didn‘t end up collecting her enemies‘ heads on a belt. Sometimes I wonder what on Earth is going on inside Snyder‘s skull

[Renny The Spaceman]

1 hour ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Not really.

Cavill works in certain roles, but I feel like people have really overestimated his acting ability and popularity. He's handsome and he sounds like an extremely cool guy to know, but it's not like he's a great actor, nor is his draw big enough to make a movie financially successful (The Man from U.N.C.L.E., Argylle, The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare).

Gal Gadot is just an awful actress all-around tho. Haven't seen her in any role that I could even classify as mediocre. People only like seeing her on screen because she's beautiful, but she absolutely cannot act at all.

I rewatched BVS recently and it's impressive how bad a lot of the acting is, Esienberg (genuinely infuriating performance, he delivers most every line in the exact same cadence then after each line does the same weird little "hmm" sound, it becomes maddening when you notice it) and Gadot were expected.

But the one that surprised me most was Cavil, I remembered him being fine in it but the entire time I felt he was just growling out lines, never really felt like he added any inflection or intention behind how he said anything leading to him being way flatter than I remembered. Also, a smaller thing, he plays there being no difference between Clark and Superman in that film, one of the most insane cases of making people look dumb for not noticing it. Though that might just come down to Zack wanting them to be more similar 

[BrickBob Studpants]

57 minutes ago, Renny The Spaceman said:

I rewatched BVS recently and it's impressive how bad a lot of the acting is, Esienberg (genuinely infuriating performance, he delivers most every line in the exact same cadence then after each line does the same weird little "hmm" sound, it becomes maddening when you notice it) and Gadot were expected.

Oh yes, that already drove me mad the first time I watched it. It’s like he was doing a bad Jonkler impression while channelling Mickey Mouse at the same time  I so wanted him to be revealed as Lex Jr, die horribly in the end, and be replaced by Lex Sr.