ASLUME (formerly Batman (DC Superheroes) 2024 - Rumors & Discussion)

[THELEGOBATMAN]

7 minutes ago, ARC2149Nova said:

He's still the same, conflicted, dual-persona that he always was. The mirror image of a mirror image, is just the same mirrored image. 

And Penguin is still the same power-hungry gangster with a crooked nose. 

Not sure what your point even is.

9 minutes ago, ARC2149Nova said:

Rather boring to say WWII films should be accurate to the period. Why not have F-22s in the Battle of Midway?

Comparing the most-known historical war to a fictional villain is certainly one way to look at it...  

[Agent Kallus]

Should we rename this thread to '@THELEGOBATMAN's repeated W takes ' ?

There would be reason to do so.

 

[ARC2149Nova]

1 minute ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

And Penguin is still the same power-hungry gangster with a crooked nose. 

Not sure what your point even is.

Do you understand what "different interpretation" even means? You say "it's a new interpretation" then, "it's the same character".

Are you...

Are you the turtle's new apprentice? 

(Seriously, this has been fun, but we're going in circles. Live and let live.)

[RedHoodPug]

1 hour ago, ARC2149Nova said:

 You literally said that Two-Face was being reinterpreted.

It's not that they're just another task force (which is what they were to begin with), it's specifically them being styled after SS and Gunn's GOTG (which is a farcry from the comics' Guardians pre-MCU). He's such a big fan of the Creature Commandos (of all characters...) that he completely rewrites their team history to be the new and improved Suicide Squad.

They don't have to be WWII heroes, granted, but I'm tired of "foul-mouthed misfits become heroes after being in prison together". Literally the last three team projects he's done. SS can't be helped, it's that team's nature. Not entirely true of this group. Why not just make them a modern military unit, like S.H.A.D.E. did?

He was gifted the DCU having pitched his idea to world build. What better way than to carry on with what he began? TSS showed us that the secret service behind the Task Force program — or the driving force behind it — was crooked beyond belief, to the point that the field officer was fair game. Peacemaker took that and made it public while making the eponymous question his loyalty. The desire to do Creature Commandos justice might well have been around for a while, and this ties it to what we already have. It brings in Flag Sr. and makes the plausible change that the creatures of this world would be under Waller's control. Like she would allow these things to be free when she can use them. Their existence as a real team during the war is a stretch, however we know that G.I. Robot served in the war, so it is a reasonable assumption that he could have been a part of the original team, made up of the as yet unseen original members. The original Guardians got their recognition, showing that Gunn isn't afraid of a nod to the past. At least that's my hope.

[ARC2149Nova]

2 minutes ago, RedHoodPug said:

He was gifted the DCU having pitched his idea to world build. What better way than to carry on with what he began? TSS showed us that the secret service behind the Task Force program — or the driving force behind it — was crooked beyond belief, to the point that the field officer was fair game. Peacemaker took that and made it public while making the eponymous question his loyalty. The desire to do Creature Commandos justice might well have been around for a while, and this ties it to what we already have. It brings in Flag Sr. and makes the plausible change that the creatures of this world would be under Waller's control. Like she would allow these things to be free when she can use them. Their existence as a real team during the war is a stretch, however we know that G.I. Robot served in the war, so it is a reasonable assumption that he could have been a part of the original team, made up of the as yet unseen original members. The original Guardians got their recognition, showing that Gunn isn't afraid of a nod to the past. At least that's my hope.

My issue with Gunn isn't his story ideas, for the most part, it's just his characterizations that tend to repeat. The show might prove me wrong, but the trailer just makes it seems like any another Suicide Squad movie (animated and live action).

Also, is TSS canon to the new DCU? I thought he was rebooting it from scratch. I could be wrong.

[THELEGOBATMAN]

10 minutes ago, Agent Kallus said:

Should we rename this thread to '@THELEGOBATMAN's repeated W takes ' ?

There would be reason to do so.

[BrickBob Studpants]

2 minutes ago, ARC2149Nova said:

Also, is TSS canon to the new DCU? I thought he was rebooting it from scratch. I could be wrong.

It‘s a bit confusing, but from my understanding, neither TSS nor Peacemaker S1 are DCU canon. S2 however will be

[THELEGOBATMAN]

2 minutes ago, ARC2149Nova said:

Also, is TSS canon to the new DCU? I thought he was rebooting it from scratch. I could be wrong.

No. Gunn has said that anything before Creature Commandos and Superman isn't canon.

It is very confusing tho. Like, how does Peacemaker Season 2 work? He already confirmed that Season 1 isn't canon to the DCU, but apparently its events are? Like, is it a new series? What's even real anymore?

[ARC2149Nova]

Just now, BrickBob Studpants said:

S2 however will be

 How does that even remotely make sense?

I guess we can just assume that it's somewhat canon. Or maybe Peacemaker Season 2 picks up following the Tomorrowverse Crisis event. I could see that working as an explanation.

[THELEGOBATMAN]

10 minutes ago, ARC2149Nova said:

Do you understand what "different interpretation" even means? You say "it's a new interpretation" then, "it's the same character".

Uhh... I'm not sure if you know what "reinterpret" means. Basically, you take Penguin, leave the core elements, but change some other ones.

That's like... literally every adaptation, of anything really. A reinterpretation. If it wasn't one, then it'd just be the exact same character, and every artist brings at least a tiny part of themselves into a character.

I don't really know why you draw the line at "woman."

4 minutes ago, ARC2149Nova said:

 How does that even remotely make sense?

I guess we can just assume that it's somewhat canon. Or maybe Peacemaker Season 2 picks up following the Tomorrowverse Crisis event. I could see that working as an explanation.

It doesn't. You basically kind of have to pick and choose what fits and what doesn't. The same case as with Daredevil: Born Again.

I don't mind it that much tho. It would be awful to waste Cena as Peacemaker, because he's absolutely incredible. I just wish Gunn clarified once and for all how it actually works, what elements are canon etc.

[ARC2149Nova]

19 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

I don't really know why you draw the line at "woman."

(It's clear we hold different views, let's agree to disagree)

It's just a strange choice. Batman has a lot of underutilized female characters begging for the spotlight. Penguin doesn't even need to be in this. To be perfectly clear, if this was, say, Peyton Riley Ventriloquist over Arnold Wesker, nobody would bat an eye. That's all it boils down to. You can claim that's bogus, but it is only my opinion. Can't seem to make that literally any clearer.

And further to the original point, I agree that the change doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It will still be a good show. It's just not comics-to-the-screen, and I'm a sucker for the classics (we've never gotten a 100% accurate adaptation of any comic book material, and likely never will). Interestingly enough, we will be getting some deep cuts, character wise, not sure why that thinking didn't naturally lend itself to a diverse cast of pre-existing characters, but it is what it is.

All in all, let's look forward to being blown away by the Caped Crusader.

(This all feels like a sinister diversion to keep us from uncovering more LEGO conspiracies)

[THELEGOBATMAN]

I am incredibly excited for Caped Crusader too. The trailer has swept me off my feet.

Well, mostly because it's just an incredibly well made trailer (and I'm a huge sucker for trailers, I love watching them over and over)—but also because the creators of this series have a very clear vision of what they're trying to make, and I love how they have their own take on every single character here.

It also just looks fantasic, and with My Adventures with Superman being so fantastic, it's cool to also get a Batman animated series that has a lot of style and sauce.

[RedHoodPug]

1 hour ago, ARC2149Nova said:

My issue with Gunn isn't his story ideas, for the most part, it's just his characterizations that tend to repeat. The show might prove me wrong, but the trailer just makes it seems like any another Suicide Squad movie (animated and live action).

Also, is TSS canon to the new DCU? I thought he was rebooting it from scratch. I could be wrong.

In fairness the comics depict a team that goes on missions that are better suited to a group of oddballs with plot-useful powers, and I could describe either unit, Squad or Commandos. If the latter prove to do the job without coercion then that's pretty much the difference between them.

Regarding canonicity, it could just as easily be like pre and post Flashpoint. He had to draw a line somewhere, and no artist proud of their work is going to try and convince people to ignore their previous efforts. The reappearance of Boomer, Harley, Flag and Waller showed that the film was connected to the previous one, if tenuously. Peacemaker had cameos from the Snyder JL, so that too had an obvious connection. You just have to look at the two, film and series, to know that Gunn loves his work and loved making them. He also showed us that he more than approved of some of the casting decisions, and didn't want to recast when his new vision demanded the characters come back.

And let's face it, DC has never been a bastion of clear paths for it's mainstream narratives.

[psqidexslizer]

15 minutes ago, RedHoodPug said:

In fairness the comics depict a team that goes on missions that are better suited to a group of oddballs with plot-useful powers, and I could describe either unit, Squad or Commandos. If the latter prove to do the job without coercion then that's pretty much the difference between them.

Regarding canonicity, it could just as easily be like pre and post Flashpoint. He had to draw a line somewhere, and no artist proud of their work is going to try and convince people to ignore their previous efforts. The reappearance of Boomer, Harley, Flag and Waller showed that the film was connected to the previous one, if tenuously. Peacemaker had cameos from the Snyder JL, so that too had an obvious connection. You just have to look at the two, film and series, to know that Gunn loves his work and loved making them. He also showed us that he more than approved of some of the casting decisions, and didn't want to recast when his new vision demanded the characters come back.

And let's face it, DC has never been a bastion of clear paths for it's mainstream narratives.

This last sentence sums it up so well. DC’s continuity has always been kind of a mess. Consider, for example, Silver Age Flash. Pre-Crisis, Keystone City and Jay Garrick were on Earth-2. Post-Crisis, they were always on Earth-Prime. Yet, somehow, the events of Silver Age Flash were canon, Post-Crisis. Or look at Justice League. Post Crisis, Batman and Superman retained their histories, by and large. But Wonder Woman, who was a part of their history, was fresh off of Paradise Island Post-Crisis. It’s the same deal here. Some things carry over. Some don’t. If anything, Gunn is making a cleaner break because most of the earlier stuff isn’t canon. It’s just his stuff, with minor tweaks to remove connections to the rest of the DCEU.

 

 

[Mandalorianknight]

19 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Damn! Turtle started a whole culture war with 1 post. Just shows how he’s been manipulating us with every move he makes. Is Turtle Brickheadz Joker’s account so that he can play mind-games with his investigators.

Okily dokily. I wonder if he’ll ever return? 

Turtle CREATED Brickheadz joker. He's the true mastermind.

He's "Taking a break" which isn't usually permanent. Though it is sometimes- there used to be this guy with a cartoon frog PFP that was "taking a break" after a whole thing about people pronouncing the bad batch's names like Omega does (untah, tick, icko, etc), and I haven't seen him since. I don't see turtle as the type to go "my bad, I won't do it again, I'm sorry"- unless he is trolling, which I still think is possible-, so this may be the last we see of our hero in a half shell.

6 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

I don't really know why you draw the line at "woman."

"Woman" isn't a reinterpretation in the same way as what they're doing with Harley, where it's a significantly different set of motivations, different costume, ETC. If penguin being a woman is needed to make some other aspect of the character or plot make sense, then I'll retract my dislike of it. (It won't be. Even if it's like "I'm woman, these rich jerk guys won't see me as one of them", that's penguin's motivation in half the stuff already, just for physical differences instead of gender) As-is, penguin being woman seems to at best be just to make changes for the sake of making changes, which I will always say is asinine logic. If you're showing us this penguin is different by making it a woman, penguin isn't really different in a way that would impact the story- again, I'd love to be proven wrong on that point-, you're just upsetting comic accuracy for no reason.

I'll also add- why not an existing female crime boss? They exist in batman lore. Why not use one of them? I love Long Halloween, I'd have been ESTATIC if that image was of Sofia Falcone taking on Batman. (Which, if anything, makes more sense then penguin, who I don't generally like to see in fisticuffs with Batman. Sofia Falcone is a unit. She is someone I could see giving Bats a fight.) The Falcones and Maronis are usually just name drop mob bosses in adaptions, it'd be nice to get their families in the mix.

6 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

It‘s a bit confusing, but from my understanding, neither TSS nor Peacemaker S1 are DCU canon. S2 however will be

That's a little better- I really didn't like when it kind of seemed as if he was going to act like "no, MY stuff is still canon", but this is still the main reason I'm not very optimistic about Gunn's leadership. He got rid of Cavill, a man BEGGING for a chance to do his character justice, someone who LOVES the source material of the roles he plays, because of "clean slate" or whatever, but he keeps all his guys on anyway. It feels like a decision made more because he personally directed and was friends with those guys rather than the right decision for the formation of a new cinematic universe.

[CloneCommando99]

7 hours ago, RedHoodPug said:

And let's face it, DC has never been a bastion of clear paths for it's mainstream narratives.

I’m still trying to figure out the New 52 Green Lantern timeline!!!

[RedHoodPug]

13 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

It feels like a decision made more because he personally directed and was friends with those guys rather than the right decision for the formation of a new cinematic universe.

Gunn binned quite a few actors other than Cavill, I don't get why he gets preferential treatment when people get upset about this. Blue Beetle will return with the same actor but not the exact same character. I suspect that if shifting the balance of power had less to do with ego and more to do with unity then Black Adam could have returned sooner. 

9 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

I’m still trying to figure out the New 52 Green Lantern timeline!!!

Doctor Manhattan wrote issue 1.

[CloneCommando99]

Hey guys. Let’s put aside this culture-war and conflicting interpretation discussion for a bit. I think I’ve cracked the Corn-cob conspiracy. And who his true master really is.

It was never Lord Vortech. 
It was never Brickheadz Joker. 
In fact it was never about the multiverse.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Aslume. I ask you these questions. Why has Corn-cob been so keen to improve the technology of the LCPD by leaps and bounds every year? Why has he gradually been militarising the LCPD? Why has he been turning Lego City into a police state? And more importantly, why did he shut down the Space Police, ADU, Galaxy Squad and any other planetary defense units without any reasonable explanation.

In all of Lego history there has only been one faction that has been as militaristic, ruthless and cunning as Corn-cob has shown himself to be.

This faction has slowly been expanding outwards from the darkness reaches of space since their supposed ultimate defeat at the hands of the Space Police and Ice Rangers in the early 2000s.

This faction has been known for its covert use of operatives to achieve its objectives which ultimately leads to the total domination of all Lego peoples.

Over the past few year’s more and more of this faction’s operatives have become increasingly prevalent. First this faction deployed an advanced robot soldier, then they dispatched their most elite bounty hunter in 2019 but what makes me certain of this theory is that one of their cruisers was spotted in plain sight last year.

My fellow Lego Lore Lovers, it has become obvious. Corn-cob’s hatred of the extraterrestrial authorities, his xenophobia to non-human species and most importantly his militant attitude more than suggest that he is in fact an agent of the Blacktron Conglomerate. He has placed Lego City under his control and by extension its citizens so that he can raise an army for Blacktron to aid in their conquest of the universe. He disbanded Space Police, because they had experience in fighting Blacktron forces. 

It makes too much sense. 
 

Deploy the demolition dummy. NOW!! He needs to destroy all the ground vehicles before Blacktron arrives to collect their new ordinance. Before it’s too late and the universe is doomed to succumb to the might of the Blacktron Conglomerate!

[Agent Kallus]

4 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Hey guys. Let’s put aside this culture-war and conflicting interpretation discussion for a bit. I think I’ve cracked the Corn-cob conspiracy. And who his true master really is.

It was never Lord Vortech. 
It was never Brickheadz Joker. 
In fact it was never about the multiverse.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Aslume. I ask you these questions. Why has Corn-cob been so keen to improve the technology of the LCPD by leaps and bounds every year? Why has he gradually been militarising the LCPD? Why has he been turning Lego City into a police state? And more importantly, why did he shut down the Space Police, ADU, Galaxy Squad and any other planetary defense units without any reasonable explanation.

In all of Lego history there has only been one faction that has been as militaristic, ruthless and cunning as Corn-cob has shown himself to be.

This faction has slowly been expanding outwards from the darkness reaches of space since their supposed ultimate defeat at the hands of the Space Police and Ice Rangers in the early 2000s.

This faction has been known for its covert use of operatives to achieve its objectives which ultimately leads to the total domination of all Lego peoples.

Over the past few year’s more and more of this faction’s operatives have become increasingly prevalent. First this faction deployed an advanced robot soldier, then they dispatched their most elite bounty hunter in 2019 but what makes me certain of this theory is that one of their cruisers was spotted in plain sight last year.

My fellow Lego Lore Lovers, it has become obvious. Corn-cob’s hatred of the extraterrestrial authorities, his xenophobia to non-human species and most importantly his militant attitude more than suggest that he is in fact an agent of the Blacktron Conglomerate. He has placed Lego City under his control and by extension its citizens so that he can raise an army for Blacktron to aid in their conquest of the universe. He disbanded Space Police, because they had experience in fighting Blacktron forces. 

It makes too much sense. 
 

Deploy the demolition dummy. NOW!! He needs to destroy all the ground vehicles before Blacktron arrives to collect their new ordinance. Before it’s too late and the universe is doomed to succumb to the might of the Blacktron Conglomerate!

Demolition dummy was made in blacktron colours.

And as dummy he is not made of flesh.

I believe he will be both able to Infiltrate and be immune to their weaponry. Call him in.

[Swordy]

It all makes sense now, yes…

Blacktron 1 and 2 were seemingly destroyed because they made their presence too well known. (Especially Blacktron 2 with their bright neon-green windshields.) So Blacktron receded into and now works in the shadows, plotting and scheming to control the LEGO world through its puppet politicians, such as Mayor Corncob.

 

Another tidbit about the LEGO Omniverse conspiracy that’s come to my attention. Handsome Hank (feels so wrong to call my childhood villain that, but I’ll live) is shown to unplug the connection between a user and LEGO’s apps. Could he actually be a general over the online LEGO community? Maybe he’s working with some other online avatars. That one French artist always seemed a little fishy to me… and what’s Emmett really afraid of on the 404 page? Of us, or of someone else?

Speaking of which, the LEGO Movie also proposes the theory that real world people have avatars in their LEGO world. So who is the avatar of Brickheadz Joker? Perhaps he is the embodiment of that is unfun and chaotic about LEGO, sorta of the dark side of the brick. This ties back into the Maelstrom theory I raised a while back. So then, who is the avatar of Demolition Dummy? Perhaps the son of Ole Kirk? (I can’t remember either name right now, apologies.)

How much do the CEOs of and the creative teams at LEGO play into this story? Are they innocent bystanders, only names put on a story already unfolding with or without them? Is each and every character the avatars of these creatives?

This is getting to be too much for my oh so big head.

[RedHoodPug]

Whenever I open the thread and see this weird discussion two things occur to me. One, I'm just glad it's not the same stuff that blighted the thread (and still does). Two, I feel like Dewey Cox whenever he'd walk in on Sam trying new drugs.

[DaleCooperFBI]

Really hoping next year we get some Constantine sets based off the upcoming Kenau Reeve sequel. Think it will be a much needed W for DC.  

 

 

[The Pearson]

17 minutes ago, DaleCooperFBI said:

Really hoping next year we get some Constantine sets based off the upcoming Kenau Reeve sequel. Think it will be a much needed W for DC.  

 

 

1. That will certainly be R-rated, so we would get loose tie-ins at best.

2. From my understanding, the film is in development, not even green-lit yet. There most certainly isn’t a release date confirmed or even rumored, let alone it being next year. Movies take time to make.

[THELEGOBATMAN]

24 minutes ago, DaleCooperFBI said:

Really hoping next year we get some Constantine sets based off the upcoming Kenau Reeve sequel. Think it will be a much needed W for DC.  

We won't. 

We don't even know if the film will actually happen.

[Renny The Spaceman]

17 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Hey guys. Let’s put aside this culture-war and conflicting interpretation discussion for a bit. I think I’ve cracked the Corn-cob conspiracy. And who his true master really is.

It was never Lord Vortech. 
It was never Brickheadz Joker. 
In fact it was never about the multiverse.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Aslume. I ask you these questions. Why has Corn-cob been so keen to improve the technology of the LCPD by leaps and bounds every year? Why has he gradually been militarising the LCPD? Why has he been turning Lego City into a police state? And more importantly, why did he shut down the Space Police, ADU, Galaxy Squad and any other planetary defense units without any reasonable explanation.

In all of Lego history there has only been one faction that has been as militaristic, ruthless and cunning as Corn-cob has shown himself to be.

This faction has slowly been expanding outwards from the darkness reaches of space since their supposed ultimate defeat at the hands of the Space Police and Ice Rangers in the early 2000s.

This faction has been known for its covert use of operatives to achieve its objectives which ultimately leads to the total domination of all Lego peoples.

Over the past few year’s more and more of this faction’s operatives have become increasingly prevalent. First this faction deployed an advanced robot soldier, then they dispatched their most elite bounty hunter in 2019 but what makes me certain of this theory is that one of their cruisers was spotted in plain sight last year.

My fellow Lego Lore Lovers, it has become obvious. Corn-cob’s hatred of the extraterrestrial authorities, his xenophobia to non-human species and most importantly his militant attitude more than suggest that he is in fact an agent of the Blacktron Conglomerate. He has placed Lego City under his control and by extension its citizens so that he can raise an army for Blacktron to aid in their conquest of the universe. He disbanded Space Police, because they had experience in fighting Blacktron forces. 

It makes too much sense. 

Oh it all adds up, do we still believe Blacktron is organising the other forces?

Definitely means the idea of a temporary truce with the Black hole gang is off the books. Despite the fact Blacktron will betray them in the end they'll support them. Leopards eating face party and all that. They've been bidding their time for years, making a small fortune off bounty hunting gigs, growing stronger through experimentations with cybernetic and biological augmentations.

16 hours ago, Swordy said:

It all makes sense now, yes…

Blacktron 1 and 2 were seemingly destroyed because they made their presence too well known. (Especially Blacktron 2 with their bright neon-green windshields.) So Blacktron receded into and now works in the shadows, plotting and scheming to control the LEGO world through its puppet politicians, such as Mayor Corncob.

 

Another tidbit about the LEGO Omniverse conspiracy that’s come to my attention. Handsome Hank (feels so wrong to call my childhood villain that, but I’ll live) is shown to unplug the connection between a user and LEGO’s apps. Could he actually be a general over the online LEGO community? Maybe he’s working with some other online avatars. That one French artist always seemed a little fishy to me… and what’s Emmett really afraid of on the 404 page? Of us, or of someone else?

Speaking of which, the LEGO Movie also proposes the theory that real world people have avatars in their LEGO world. So who is the avatar of Brickheadz Joker? Perhaps he is the embodiment of that is unfun and chaotic about LEGO, sorta of the dark side of the brick. This ties back into the Maelstrom theory I raised a while back. So then, who is the avatar of Demolition Dummy? Perhaps the son of Ole Kirk? (I can’t remember either name right now, apologies.) 

I believe the son is called Godtfred. I think you might be on to something if so the Bob being the quintessential classic minifigure has to be Ole. BRICKHEADZ Joker is obviously the avatar of Turtle, his meticulous planning and the way he played all of us seals it. 

As for Hank I think he's a potential wildcard. Corn-cob is likely funding his endless supply of dynamite, crowbars and getaway cars but through a Proxy (perhaps Forrest Blackwell?) I believe him disconnecting servers comes from him not wanting people discussing his own crimes, unaware of the bigger plan. Corn-cob keeps him around to keep the citizens fearful and wanting to keep the LCPD around but him not being clued in might lead to him in the pursuit of his own criminal endgame undermining Blacktron's plans. He needs to be investigated further 

17 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Deploy the demolition dummy. NOW!! He needs to destroy all the ground vehicles before Blacktron arrives to collect their new ordinance. Before it’s too late and the universe is doomed to succumb to the might of the Blacktron Conglomerate!

Blacktron so far has sent one recon ship in recent years, the Galaxy Explorer crew reported it so we don't know if they have a full invasion fleet ready 

 

17 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

Demolition dummy was made in blacktron colours.

And as dummy he is not made of flesh.

I believe he will be both able to Infiltrate and be immune to their weaponry. Call him in.

Exactly, he is the most powerful weapon we have, the question is if we can get him in without alerting Corn-cob

We don't know how he was stopped the first time he tried to disassemble the city, they need to cover him to stand a chance, all of the LCPD will go after him