ASLUME (formerly Batman (DC Superheroes) 2024 - Rumors & Discussion)

[Dinobricks]

15 hours ago, psqidexslizer said:

No need for speculation. We’re getting none.

Aren't you just so fun 

[Mandalorianknight]

7 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Have a little faith.

"Faith? I lost that a long time ago."

10 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

Yes.

But it is possible that they consider the mech a tie-in. It's also worrying that some leakers have said that this was all, and we wouldn't get more sets.

Yeah exactly. People are really putting their hopes on DC suits being able to differentiate specific superman outfits.

[psqidexslizer]

3 hours ago, Dinobricks said:

Aren't you just so fun 

Multiple leakers have said Fantastic Four is the only superhero movie that will get a set. If you want to speculate about potential Superman sets, go ahead. Heck, maybe they’re all mistaken. It’s happened before. Just don’t be surprised if we don’t get anything.

[Lego Nostalgia]

3 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

"Faith? I lost that a long time ago."

Yeah exactly. People are really putting their hopes on DC suits being able to differentiate specific superman outfits.

Can never trust a DC suit, WB are super villains 

[Swordy]

23 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

We might be getting a Superman teaser trailer mid December. So it’ll be interesting to see if we can speculate any potential sets from that. 

Good deal. I’m surprised we didn’t get one over Thanksgiving weekend, not unlike the Force Awakens teaser. Ready to see something from this film outside of a few stills.

I’m hyped for this movie. Haven’t seen a single DC movie outside of TLBM and Shazam!, simply because I have no clue what’s good or what’s important to watch. (Plus I’m more of a Disney+ guy, given it has both Marvel and Star Wars, so none of the films cross my radar generally.) The announcement of Superman as the forerunner of the DCU finally gave me something for which to look forward. The creative team feels strong, the cast looks great, the tone feels right; if John Williams was announced to be composing the score, I wouldn’t be all too surprised.

The only thing that could dampen my excitement would be no tie-in products from the LEGO Group.

On 11/29/2024 at 10:22 PM, Mandalorianknight said:

It feels like lego's playing a game of chicken to see if people break and buy it before they have to put it on clearance.

I’ve got a B&M nearby, so if I can’t find one of those sets on deep clearance, then I can hopefully find them Used with the figs at a discounted rate. That’s not the case for everyone, though. Bricklink might make for a next-best option, but I that marketplace seems overcrowded these days.

[Darth_Bane13]

44 minutes ago, Swordy said:

Good deal. I’m surprised we didn’t get one over Thanksgiving weekend, not unlike the Force Awakens teaser. Ready to see something from this film outside of a few stills.

I’m hyped for this movie. Haven’t seen a single DC movie outside of TLBM and Shazam!, simply because I have no clue what’s good or what’s important to watch. (Plus I’m more of a Disney+ guy, given it has both Marvel and Star Wars, so none of the films cross my radar generally.) The announcement of Superman as the forerunner of the DCU finally gave me something for which to look forward. The creative team feels strong, the cast looks great, the tone feels right; if John Williams was announced to be composing the score, I wouldn’t be all too surprised..

you've never seen Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy or The Batman (2022)? You are really missing out

[Swordy]

(Guess today’s the day I reply to week-old comments.)

On 11/25/2024 at 12:50 AM, Max_Lego said:

If only they were. Wookies weren't primitive by any means, but they weren't as developed, militarictic and nationalistic as said Chiss or the Umbarans from CW, for example. Plus, why enslave the Wookies specifically?

If they are a potential threat, then they need to be treated accordingly; not just Wookiees. I could point to several historical examples to back my claim.

Chiss were never enslaved because they couldn’t be controlled. Umbarans and Wookiees were strong enough to pose a threat, but not as developed to be uncontrollable.

On 11/25/2024 at 12:50 AM, Max_Lego said:

Han fell in love with Leia. He started questioning his own actions after she called him a mercenary. Not the best thing ever, but not flatty flat either.

Noticed the line of “Your friend’s a real mercenary,” upon a recent rewatch. (Love Luke’s “But I care,” by the way.) Fair enough.

My perfect version of ANH is the complete and utter removal of the Jabba scene. It’s awkward, it’s gross, it breaks pacing and only repeats information given to us by Greedo already. Only good thing to come out of the scene is that Greedo was a clone or was cloned.

On 11/25/2024 at 12:50 AM, Max_Lego said:

Most SW posts on the Internet are about Prequels; when people think about Obi-Wan, they imagine Ewan McGregor instead of sir Alec Guinness;

That’s 2000s era nostalgia for you. Plus, who’s active and actually alive currently: Sir Alec or Ewan?

On 11/25/2024 at 12:50 AM, Max_Lego said:

when she claims being on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan (which, BTW, means that Alderaan isn't part of the Empire),

The U.S. can make diplomatic missions to other NATO countries. There’s nothing to imply Alderaan isn’t part of the Empire (Vader calls Leia a traitor, so she is an Imperial citizen, and we know her father is of Alderaan)—though an interesting thought nonetheless.

On 11/25/2024 at 12:50 AM, Max_Lego said:

Vader didn't torture anyone for the fun of it. Antilles knew where the plans were hidden; Han Solo was tortured to influence Luke through the Force (it worked!); HE DIDN'T ORDER the crew killed, he just wanted to hide the fact of taking prisoners from the Senate; Motti utterly deserved the non-lethal choking, Ozzel was a fool at best and outrigh traitor at worst; Needa was an idiot who wasted time and an entire TIE shuttle to apologize right in front of Vader (and assume full responsibility!) instead of calling him and making an excuse, asking permission to continue the search.

Had something different written up until I rewatched Ep. 4-6 over the weekend with your words ringing in my ear. (It’s a medical condition, don’t worry.)

I’ll agree—especially in ANH, where Vader seems much more noble than he is often depicted, while Tarkin is the one who suggests they execute Leia—until Vader suggests they keep her as bait.

Still, did Antilles really know where the plans were exactly? This gets into semantics, but going off just ANH, I think he can only assume Leia still has the plans on her. Anything else is interpolation. (I’ll concede my previous point that Vader actively killed Rebels on the battlefield in the OT, but I chalk that up to the limits of SFX.)

I’ll concede on Ozzel, but why make an example of Needa? He assumed full responsibility when it was near impossible to find the Falcon; only Boba in his personal, auxiliary ship managed to locate them.

So, to summarize: what I said wasn’t true, from a basic point of view.

On 11/25/2024 at 12:50 AM, Max_Lego said:

in this universe, everyone has weapons

C-3P0, Max Rebo, and Mr. B. Crumb would like a word with you shortly.
 

By the way, I love discussing the OT on its own. I believe people often ignore the nuances of the original three films because they feel the need to connect it to auxiliary content. I love the Prequels, Sequels, animated and live-action shows, all of it; but the OT shines above them all, and rightly so.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Darth_Bane13 said:

you've never seen Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy or The Batman (2022)? You are really missing out

Working my way through the MCU first! I’ve seen my fair share of clips from both of what you’ve mentioned, though.

Edited December 1, 2024 by Swordy

[Max_Lego]

6 hours ago, Swordy said:

(Guess today’s the day I reply to week-old comments.)

Glad you're back! 

6 hours ago, Swordy said:

If they are a potential threat, then they need to be treated accordingly; not just Wookiees. I could point to several historical examples to back my claim.

Chiss were never enslaved because they couldn’t be controlled. Umbarans and Wookiees were strong enough to pose a threat, but not as developed to be uncontrollable.

It's an outrigh chauvinistic tactic; yes, both Legends and Canon claim that the Empire was human-centric, but I don't like this idea since it came out of nowhere and doesn't make sense in context; I prefer to believe the Empire only conscripts humans in the military because they are the least sophisticated sentient species. Again, two Wookies aiding Yoda doesn't mean all the Wookies are dangerous.

I think you got me wrong. I didn't claim that the Chiss should've been enslaved, I just said that the Wookies weren't as potentially dangerous as the Chiss. The Chiss weren't enslaved because they were of no interest to the Empire. The Umbarans were allies of the Separatists and sure committed many warcrimes, but it's their government that is responsible.

6 hours ago, Swordy said:

My perfect version of ANH is the complete and utter removal of the Jabba scene. It’s awkward, it’s gross, it breaks pacing and only repeats information given to us by Greedo already. Only good thing to come out of the scene is that Greedo was a clone or was cloned.

I agree. But, to be honest, this stupid scene was added in the Special Edition and has little to do with the original (they filmed the scene with Declan Mulholland, hence why Han calls him a 'wonderful human being', but it was removed a doesn't need to be brought back).

6 hours ago, Swordy said:

The U.S. can make diplomatic missions to other NATO countries. There’s nothing to imply Alderaan isn’t part of the Empire (Vader calls Leia a traitor, so she is an Imperial citizen, and we know her father is of Alderaan)—though an interesting thought nonetheless.

NATO are allies of the US. Alderaan is an open enemy of the Empire. Leia may be the adopted daughter of the king of Alderaan and a member of the Senate and Imperial diplomat at the same time; she's a spy sent by her adoptive father to sabotage Imperial bureaucracy from the inside, that's why Vader calls her a traitor. These are just my speculations, but I can explain them.

6 hours ago, Swordy said:

Still, did Antilles really know where the plans were exactly? This gets into semantics, but going off just ANH, I think he can only assume Leia still has the plans on her. Anything else is interpolation. (I’ll concede my previous point that Vader actively killed Rebels on the battlefield in the OT, but I chalk that up to the limits of SFX.)

Vader was questioning someone who might have known the location of the plans (btw, many people ask why he didn't Force choke Antilles; he didn't CHOKE him, he only lifted him to frighten the guy, got mad and snapped his neck accidentally - his bad). He didn't know anything for sure, but had strong and based suspicions.

Also, Vader isn't all-powerful against the Rebels: I partially believe the scene from Rogue one because the corridor gave him advantage (I still think that it MUST be impossible for the Jedi or Sith to lift people in the air, sine Darth Vader's sacrifice in ROTJ makes no sense if they can). If facing enemies on the battlefield, Darth Vader would've been overwhelmed by their forces and lost, IMHO.

6 hours ago, Swordy said:

I’ll concede on Ozzel, but why make an example of Needa? He assumed full responsibility when it was near impossible to find the Falcon; only Boba in his personal, auxiliary ship managed to locate them.

For wasting time and a TIE shuttle instead of calling Vader through hologram or Skype and continuing the search without leaving his ship or crew. I am sure that if Needa had done that, Vader would've forgiven him for losing the Falcon.

6 hours ago, Swordy said:

By the way, I love discussing the OT on its own. I believe people often ignore the nuances of the original three films because they feel the need to connect it to auxiliary content. I love the Prequels, Sequels, animated and live-action shows, all of it; but the OT shines above them all, and rightly so.

I am glad that you appreciate the OT; for me, the three original films are the definitive Star Wars and the only SW media I consider Canon; anything else is a source of inspiration, for they contradict the OT in many ways.

Edited December 2, 2024 by Max_Lego

[cosmic]

Everyone seems so obsessed with the lack of reason in giving Superman the mech over Lex, but no one seems to be mentioning how amazing the leg print is on Luthor. I can't seem to pin point where the Superman is based from, but the belt is interesting. It's different, for sure. But I have no idea where they pulled this design from.

As for the Tumbler, very disappointed they didn't include the ejectable Bat Trike. I had hope we'd finally get it. I mean, Ninjago has given Kai's car an ejectable motorcycle before, so why couldn't they do the same for Batman? i was expecting more, for some reason, lol.

As for Two Face, despite being one of the stand out figures of the wave, he's also got a new hair piece that seems perfect for Metallo. Seriously, I can see myself using this hair for custom Metallo figures, down to the color this piece works wonderfully for him. Truly an exciting wave (the bar is in hell).

[Mandalorianknight]

5 hours ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

Can never trust a DC suit, WB are super villains 

I still can't forgive the new DCU guys for axing Cavill for a "clean slate" then turning around and saying the suicide squad guys are all coming back and that most of the peacemaker show is canon, somehow.

There was like a few month period between the end of the weird post-Snyder hodgepodge and the Gunn announcement where some suit said they had a 10-year plan focused on Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, and I mean like c'mon that's the obvious move how are we not doing that.

[Swordy]

6 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

Glad you're back! 

Something, something, powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count, something, something, I just forgot to reply….

6 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

It's an outrigh chauvinistic tactic; yes, both Legends and Canon claim that the Empire was human-centric, but I don't like this idea since it came out of nowhere and doesn't make sense in context; I prefer to believe the Empire only conscripts humans in the military because they are the least sophisticated sentient species. Again, two Wookies aiding Yoda doesn't mean all the Wookies are dangerous.

I think you got me wrong. I didn't claim that the Chiss should've been enslaved, I just said that the Wookies weren't as potentially dangerous as the Chiss. The Chiss weren't enslaved because they were of no interest to the Empire.

I don’t find it chauvinistic. I can recognize the potential threat of one group of people, and if I was scared to lose power, I’d try to control them. Doesn’t mean I prefer one over another.

Wookiees are stronger than humans, (they pull your arms off if you’re unsure) and if they got to develop an army, wouldn’t they be a massive threat? 

I see what you were saying. My point was that Palpatine would much prefer to control as many variables as possible, as he does in RotJ. I’m sure he’d love to control the space the Chiss Ascendancy rule over, but since that’d be too costly, why bother?

6 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

I agree. But, to be honest, this stupid scene was added in the Special Edition and has little to do with the original (they filmed the scene with Declan Mulholland, hence why Han calls him a 'wonderful human being', but it was removed and doesn't need to be brought back).

I’m aware, that’s why I hate it. If George took it out, did we really need it back in? (Although Han’s “You’re a wonderful human being” still works and gets a chuckle out of me.)

6 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

NATO are allies of the US. Alderaan is an open enemy of the Empire.

Is it? Wouldn’t there be word of Imperial sieges of Alderaan if that were the case? Wouldn’t Alderaan have a big Rebel tattoo on their planet? Maybe a huge neon sign saying “Hey! Over here!”?

People know of the Rebellion, but only until Leia mentions Alderaan do Luke and Old Ben associate the two in the same breath. Tarkin only chooses Alderaan because of Leia’s connection. Alderaan isn’t a military target, Tarkin says. He only destroys it to make a demonstration, an effective one at that: if you’re even remotely related to the Rebels, no matter how peaceful you are, you too may be subjected to absolute annihilation. The Empire doesn’t tolerate any Rebel sympathy.

Frankly, to make Alderaan an enemy system lessens the core, despicable nature of the Empire, and deconstructs the reason they must be overthrown. (I’m starting to get into storytelling reasons here, and less so space-political motives.)

6 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

Leia may be the adopted daughter of the king of Alderaan and a member of the Senate and Imperial diplomat at the same time; she's a spy sent by her adoptive father to sabotage Imperial bureaucracy from the inside, that's why Vader calls her a traitor. These are just my speculations, but I can explain them.

A Senate by its nature is representative of its parts. You can’t represent something in a government if that something isn’t part of that government. If Leia was representing something else, that information would’ve been presented in the film. Yes, I’m assuming the Empire controls every planet, meanwhile the opening crawl reads “It is a period of civil war.” Why then isn’t the other government called out by name? Rebellion doesn’t sound like a separate government, does it?

In my oh-so-humble opinion, the civil war is referring to the Rebel cause spreading, and planets rising against the Empire one by one. (“The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.” It’s more of a revolution, but viewed as a civil war because the Rebellion fights to restore the Republic. That latter half isn’t in the OT directly, I’ll admit.

6 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

Vader was questioning someone who might have known the location of the plans (btw, many people ask why he didn't Force choke Antilles; he didn't CHOKE him, he only lifted him to frighten the guy, got mad and snapped his neck accidentally - his bad). He didn't know anything for sure, but had strong and based suspicions.

Vader absolutely choked the guy, no question about it. Why would we fear him otherwise? Why wouldn’t he choke a Rebel if he would choke one of his fellow Imperials? I know why he choked the latter, but that would imply he’d be willing to choke the former as well.

6 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

For wasting time and a TIE shuttle instead of calling Vader through hologram or Skype and continuing the search without leaving his ship or crew. I am sure that if Needa had done that, Vader would've forgiven him for losing the Falcon.

Fair. Let’s be fair to Needa, though. After all, the last time someone spoke to Vader over hologram about his failure, that guy got choked out. I believe Needa felt that perhaps a personal touch was in order. Obviously, he did waste time, and Vader didn’t appreciate it, but I feel some grace could’ve been extended. (“Now, if we take the comics into consideration…”)

6 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

I am glad that you appreciate the OT; for me, the three original films are the definitive Star Wars and the only SW media I consider Canon; anything else is a source of inspiration, for they contradict the OT in many ways.

Oh, you’re one of those types, lol. I’m cool with it. I’m not the gatekeeping type, and I understand why you believe that way. I agree in a lot of respects.

For me, when I view Star Wars, I consider George’s complete vision to be utmost canon, thus I deem the Complete Saga (1-6) in whole to be important above all others. (TCW is supplemental, neither taking away from or adding to the films in my view.) The Prequels definitely were affected by Marcia and his divorce, so they weren’t the purest form from 1977, but they still remain part of his vision. Reading the Star Wars Ring Theory helped me appreciate the Prequels beyond just a collection of so-so films.

I hate that Obi-Wan now flat-out lies to Luke in RotJ about first meeting Anakin, but I’m honestly not impressed with Ben as a character by that point anyway. If George wants me to understand the films that way, I personally am willing to see it through his perspective. (Not necessarily through the lens of the Prequels, but to see how the two compare and contrast to better understand the Star Wars.) I’m also willing to see it through the perspective of just the OT, though, because they are a complete trilogy of awe inspiring, groundbreaking films. In the end, I’m given a whole new appreciation for three beloved films of mine. :)

 

 

 

 

Well, our tactic isn’t working. Nobody from the Star Wars thread has migrated over to debate, and I believe the Rancor has implied that the 2025 thread won’t start until January. Oh well, it was worth a shot.

Edited December 2, 2024 by Swordy

[THELEGOBATMAN]

4 hours ago, cosmic said:

Everyone seems so obsessed with the lack of reason in giving Superman the mech over Lex, but no one seems to be mentioning how amazing the leg print is on Luthor.

A lot of people were discussing this when the set first leaked.

It's easily the best minfigure from all 2025 Super Heroes set. It looks amazing, the armour works so well.

[Max_Lego]

1 hour ago, Swordy said:

Wookiees are stronger than humans, (they pull your arms off if you’re unsure) and if they got to develop an army, wouldn’t they be a massive threat? 

Yeah but, like, ourigh enslave them? Isn't it too much? I prefer what was shown in SW: Holiday special, honestly: Wookies living under the Empire not much worse than anyone else. Besides, the interactions between Chewbacca and the Stormtroopers in the OT (most specifically in the Mos Eisley cantina) don't suggest he used to be a slave.

1 hour ago, Swordy said:

My point was that Palpatine would much prefer to control as many variables as possible, as he does in RotJ. I’m sure he’d love to control the space the Chiss Ascendancy rule over, but since that’d be too costly, why bother?

Well, the Chiss may be very nationalistic and militarictic, but they aren't really a threat to the Empire since they are interested in it even less than Palps and Thrawn are interested in them. Why bother, indeed? The Empire has problems of its own.

1 hour ago, Swordy said:

People know of the Rebellion, but only until Leia mentions Alderaan do Luke and Old Ben associate the two in the same breath. Tarkin only chooses Alderaan because of Leia’s connection. Alderaan isn’t a military target, Tarkin says. He only destroys it to make a demonstration, an effective one at that: if you’re even remotely related to the Rebels, no matter how peaceful you are, you too may be subjected to absolute annihilation. The Empire doesn’t tolerate any Rebel sympathy.

Well, I now think that my "open enemies" statement is a little too much; more like "dangerous tensions". If Alderaan was part of the Empire, it would've been ruled by an Imperial governor, who would've successfully resolved the tensions with the planetary government one way or another. Sending a diplomatic mission to a system you control (you don't) makes not much sense - such missions are sent to external allies (like Corellia), neutral planets (like Tatooine - yes, Tatooone is by no means in the Empire!) or enemies (to resolve tension) - out of the three Alderaan is clearly the latter.

Yes, it wasn't a military target - yet it doesn't mean it didn't have a military of its own: an Alderaanian military base would've qualified as a military target, but the entire planet didn't.

By the way, why does everyone believe that Tarkin wanted to destroy the entire moon of Yavin? He obviously only wanted to blow up the Rebel base on the surface.

1 hour ago, Swordy said:

In my oh-so-humble opinion, the civil war is referring to the Rebel cause spreading, and planets rising against the Empire one by one. (“The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.” It’s more of a revolution, but viewed as a civil war because the Rebellion fights to restore the Republic. That latter half isn’t in the OT directly, I’ll admit.

The civil war is between the Empire and a small Rebellion that doesn't have a planet of origin, supported by external enemies of the Empire like Alderaan. Where did they get all those 'wonderful' toys from?

1 hour ago, Swordy said:

Vader absolutely choked the guy, no question about it.

Had Vader choked Antilles, the latter wouldn't have been capable of speaking. Vader was questioning him, and he absolutely wanted the captain to speak.

1 hour ago, Swordy said:

Let’s be fair to Needa, though. After all, the last time someone spoke to Vader over hologram about his failure, that guy got choked out. I believe Needa felt that perhaps a personal touch was in order.

To be fair, it's Vader who called Ozzel through Skype and it wasn't the reason Ozzy was executed. Dude was very resistant to discovering the Rebel base and most likely alerted the Rebels deliberately.

1 hour ago, Swordy said:

so-so films

When I said Prequels were bad, I was incorrect: they are actually pretty good movies. They were my first Star Wars movies (TPM specifically - that's why I like the character of Jar Jar Binks), and I used to admire the Clones (but it has more to do with Filoni's TCW, tbh). Now I genuinely enjoy the memes. My only problem is that they contradict the OT way too much and, therefore, I can't consider them Canon - much like I don't consider Batman: mystery of Batwoman to be TNBA canon (because of Bruce Wayne's claim that Penguin tried to blow up Gotham the last time they met, which contradicts TNBA episode "Joker's millions")

1 minute ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

A lot of people were discussing this when the set first leaked.

It's easily the best minfigure from all 2025 Super Heroes set. It looks amazing, the armour works so well.

I still don't like the transparent shoulder armor though 

Edited December 2, 2024 by Max_Lego

[THELEGOBATMAN]

3 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I still can't forgive the new DCU guys for axing Cavill for a "clean slate" then turning around and saying the suicide squad guys are all coming back and that most of the peacemaker show is canon, somehow.

Well, it's simple—any movie Cavill was in sucked, while The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker were the best-reviewed projects of the DCEU.

James Gunn is planning the universe, so it makes sense to keep the stuff he already started building in the past. It would be a shame to abandon Peacemaker just because of a change in the management.

Also, it's literally the same thing MCU is doing now with the Netflix series—retroactively adding them to the canon, even though they didn't acknowledge them for a decade. You just have to pretend it happened.

5 minutes ago, Max_Lego said:

I still don't like the transparent shoulder armor though 

I think it's perfect. Kryptonite shoulder pads.

[Max_Lego]

1 hour ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

I think it's perfect. Kryptonite shoulder pads.

Kryptonite is radioactive and very dangerous for the health - not the best idea. The shoulder piece can easily be removed or replaced though.

But of course, I agree that it's the best 2025 DC minifigure for the printed legs alone!!!

[Lego Nostalgia]

5 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I still can't forgive the new DCU guys for axing Cavill for a "clean slate" then turning around and saying the suicide squad guys are all coming back and that most of the peacemaker show is canon, somehow.

There was like a few month period between the end of the weird post-Snyder hodgepodge and the Gunn announcement where some suit said they had a 10-year plan focused on Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, and I mean like c'mon that's the obvious move how are we not doing that.

I feel like Gunn will focus on more niche characters instead of the big three, he seems to only do his own things instead of what the fans want, he erased everything except for his stuff (Peacemaker) that should say something, Logically the DCU should be these movies to start it off , Superman,Batman,Wonder Woman,Flash,Green Lantern, Justice League

Not these weird characters like Sgt Rock or Creature Commandos, like wtf, not a good business move if you ask me, would make more sense to start with the popular guys first then the niche stuff

I miss Ben Affleck Batman and Henry Cavill's Superman, But hey, I love Battinson so he's around (FOR NOW) I don't trust Gunn, he might delay it on purpose so Superman can shine, he might also want to delay it so Matt might give up and leave the project or try and push Battinson in the DCU

If Superman is good then I will trust Gunn

[psqidexslizer]

3 hours ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

I feel like Gunn will focus on more niche characters instead of the big three, he seems to only do his own things instead of what the fans want, he erased everything except for his stuff (Peacemaker) that should say something, Logically the DCU should be these movies to start it off , Superman,Batman,Wonder Woman,Flash,Green Lantern, Justice League

Not these weird characters like Sgt Rock or Creature Commandos, like wtf, not a good business move if you ask me, would make more sense to start with the popular guys first then the niche stuff

What a bizarre complaint. More than half of your obvious choices are getting something. Superman is getting a movie. Batman is getting a movie. Green Lantern is getting a show. Wonder Woman is getting a prequel show. Flash just had a movie that bombed, so it’s not all that surprising he’s not here (though there’s also been rumors he’s getting a show). Not to mention we’re getting a movie for Supergirl, who the general audience is well familiar with. Then you’ve got Amanda Waller and Peacemaker who most people will be aware of thanks to the Suicide Squad movies. Booster Gold and Swamp Thing aren’t household names, but they’re fairly well known among comic book fans. Of the eleven projects announced, the only ones to feature obscure characters nobody knows about are Creature Commandos (a direct tie-in to The Suicide Squad) and The Authority (which looks like it’ll tie into Superman). 

Also, let’s not pretend the MCU didn’t start off with a bunch of obscure characters. And yet they were a huge success. Meanwhile the DCEU started off with a Superman movie, a Batman/Superman movie, a Suicide Squad that had Joker plastered all over the marketing, a Wonder Woman movie and a Justice League movie, and their whole franchise was a disaster from the start. So clearly there’s more to building a cinematic universe than just throwing characters people recognize up on the screen.

Edited December 2, 2024 by psqidexslizer

[THELEGOBATMAN]

3 hours ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

I miss Ben Affleck Batman and Henry Cavill's Superman, But hey, I love Battinson so he's around (FOR NOW) I don't trust Gunn, he might delay it on purpose so Superman can shine, he might also want to delay it so Matt might give up and leave the project or try and push Battinson in the DCU

This is just ridiculous. James Gunn has stated multiple times that he wants Reeves to do his thing—not to mention he's greenlighting multiple Elseworlds projects. 

He might not delay anything, because James Gunn doesn't set the release dates—he's a creative manager of DC Studios, while Safran is the financial one.

Not to mention that The Batman Part II has been delayed by a year many months ago, which had nothing to do with Superman.

He also won't push Battinson into the DCU. How did you come up with so many ridiculous conspiracy theories all at once? 

[Lego Nostalgia]

1 hour ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

This is just ridiculous. James Gunn has stated multiple times that he wants Reeves to do his thing—not to mention he's greenlighting multiple Elseworlds projects. 

He might not delay anything, because James Gunn doesn't set the release dates—he's a creative manager of DC Studios, while Safran is the financial one.

Not to mention that The Batman Part II has been delayed by a year many months ago, which had nothing to do with Superman.

He also won't push Battinson into the DCU. How did you come up with so many ridiculous conspiracy theories all at once? 

We've been lied to before, Superman hasn't come out yet and you're making Gunn out to be this saving grace for DC, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors

I hope Superman does well and that Gunn will save DC but I don't think it's wrong to be concerned about a possibility 

Henry said he was returning and then he wasn't, things just change like that, you can't believe everything

1 hour ago, psqidexslizer said:

What a bizarre complaint. More than half of your obvious choices are getting something. Superman is getting a movie. Batman is getting a movie. Green Lantern is getting a show. Wonder Woman is getting a prequel show. Flash just had a movie that bombed, so it’s not all that surprising he’s not here (though there’s also been rumors he’s getting a show). Not to mention we’re getting a movie for Supergirl, who the general audience is well familiar with. Then you’ve got Amanda Waller and Peacemaker who most people will be aware of thanks to the Suicide Squad movies. Booster Gold and Swamp Thing aren’t household names, but they’re fairly well known among comic book fans. Of the eleven projects announced, the only ones to feature obscure characters nobody knows about are Creature Commandos (a direct tie-in to The Suicide Squad) and The Authority (which looks like it’ll tie into Superman). 

Also, let’s not pretend the MCU didn’t start off with a bunch of obscure characters. And yet they were a huge success. Meanwhile the DCEU started off with a Superman movie, a Batman/Superman movie, a Suicide Squad that had Joker plastered all over the marketing, a Wonder Woman movie and a Justice League movie, and their whole franchise was a disaster from the start. So clearly there’s more to building a cinematic universe than just throwing characters people recognize up on the screen.

I meant that besides Superman and Batman, Wonder Woman should get a movie, not a prequel show, I just think it's odd to start it with Creature Commandos,Waller and Peacemaker, that'd be like starting the MCU with Morbius,Agatha,Echo and El Muerto 

[RobbieHxC]

23 minutes ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

I just think it's odd to start it with Creature Commandos,Waller and Peacemaker, that'd be like starting the MCU with Morbius,Agatha,Echo and El Muerto 

Comment of the year.

El Muerto is dead.  Long live El Muerto!

[psqidexslizer]

35 minutes ago, Lego Nostalgia said:

I meant that besides Superman and Batman, Wonder Woman should get a movie, not a prequel show, I just think it's odd to start it with Creature Commandos,Waller and Peacemaker, that'd be like starting the MCU with Morbius,Agatha,Echo and El Muerto 

They’re also starting the DCU with Superman, Supergirl, and The Green Lanterns. The only reason Waller, Creature Commandos, and Peacemaker are happening this early in the slate is they were already in production before the reboot. But also, I really don’t see any issue if they were starting with just those three. The recognizability of the character is less important than the quality going into the project. And seeing as how James Gunn helmed the highly popular GotG series and helped shape phase 3 of the MCU, arguably their best and most popular phase. And seeing as how he managed to turn out a critically acclaimed movie and a successful streaming series for DC, I think they’re in good hands. Certainly better than the hands they’ve been in since Nolan left. 
 

As far as Wonder Woman is concerned, she just had two movies and the actress was still rather liked in the role. It’s better to get some distance and a Wonder Woman prequel show is a good way to set her up while giving themselves some distance.

[Renny The Spaceman]

17 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

The Umbarans were allies of the Separatists and sure committed many warcrimes, but it's their government that is responsible.

As we all know fascist dictatorships are very reasonable and never use collective punishment.

I'm confused at this debate, yes the empire did many bad things, yes these things weren't always the most tactically sound decisions, that is true of most fascist states, it doesn't come from logic, it comes from fear and hate. 

Sadly the dictatorship run by the guy who's entire belief system is based on volatile emotions, that is an allegory for real states that were very much the same was making choices that weren't, in fact, the best choices for all involved.

[Lego Nostalgia]

3 hours ago, psqidexslizer said:

They’re also starting the DCU with Superman, Supergirl, and The Green Lanterns. The only reason Waller, Creature Commandos, and Peacemaker are happening this early in the slate is they were already in production before the reboot. But also, I really don’t see any issue if they were starting with just those three. The recognizability of the character is less important than the quality going into the project. And seeing as how James Gunn helmed the highly popular GotG series and helped shape phase 3 of the MCU, arguably their best and most popular phase. And seeing as how he managed to turn out a critically acclaimed movie and a successful streaming series for DC, I think they’re in good hands. Certainly better than the hands they’ve been in since Nolan left. 
 

As far as Wonder Woman is concerned, she just had two movies and the actress was still rather liked in the role. It’s better to get some distance and a Wonder Woman prequel show is a good way to set her up while giving themselves some distance.

I get what you mean but, you gotta look at it from the view of WB, it's all about money, viewership and sales is a big factor, you need something that will get the attention of many to make a good profit, right now, Superman is the last hope for DC, if that succeeds, the DCU will, If it fails then say goodbye to everyone besides Batman (Which I wouldn't be sad about, I love Batman but it would be a shame) If Superman fails then Gunn will be given the boot by Zaslav and maybe Zack will be brought back or Matt Reeves will be Plan B

I worry that Superman will make only 500M$, and that will be considered a failure to WB, The DC fandom is split and the casual audience is getting sick of Superhero films, we'll get a Deadpool and Wolverine type hit now and again but I think the connected universe type stuff is coming to an end like Westerns did, it remains to be seen what the next trend will be if Superheroes dies out

But I don't fully believe in Superhero fatigue, I think it's just bad writing/character assassination fatigue

I think only Spider-Man 4,Fantastic 4, Doomsday,Secret Wars and The Batman 2 will be the last hits of the genre

A few years ago it seemed like Marvel would never fail but now, it has become a reality, I feel like DC might become the new MCU type success and take the crown from MCU if Superman succeeds big

But hey, superhero films are in a much better spot than Star Wars, that brand is a dead body being poked with a stick

Would be nice to see DC win for once besides Batman, I'd love something like the JL animated series or New 52 animated movies

[Max_Lego]

1 hour ago, Renny The Spaceman said:

I'm confused at this debate, yes the empire did many bad things, yes these things weren't always the most tactically sound decisions, that is true of most fascist states, it doesn't come from logic, it comes from fear and hate. 

The first thing about true fascist regimes is the cold rationality of the crimes and atrocities they commit. The Nazi death camp system was well designed to benefit Krupp, Messerschmitt, Porsche and other rich people of Germany, for example. Stupid irrational atrocities that make absolutely zero sense and are not quite possible IRL remind me of something else...

1 hour ago, Renny The Spaceman said:

Sadly the dictatorship run by the guy who's entire belief system is based on volatile emotions, that is an allegory for real states that were very much the same was making choices that weren't, in fact, the best choices for all involved.

We have a different understanding of how the Dark Side works. I strongly believe that, in order to become a powerful Sith lord, you must master the negative emotions, not succumb to them. That's why the true Sith are so calm, respectful and fearless - they mastered their anger, hatred and fear, not suppressed them like the Jedi.

The idea of a galactic ruler being an evil dictator simply because he's a Sith Lawd is weird to me. Sure, Count Dooku is the real space fascist, warmonging and ruling for the benefit of the Trade Federation, Banking Clan, etc, but him seeking more power is justified. Palpatine doesn't really do anything wrong in the OT, and his secret leadership of the Separatists in the Prequels lead to their ultimate destruction 

...And please, let's not get too political, please 

[Murdoch17]

1 hour ago, Max_Lego said:

We have a different understanding of how the Dark Side works. I strongly believe that, in order to become a powerful Sith lord, you must master the negative emotions, not succumb to them. That's why the true Sith are so calm, respectful and fearless - they mastered their anger, hatred and fear, not suppressed them like the Jedi.

The idea of a galactic ruler being an evil dictator simply because he's a Sith Lawd is weird to me. Sure, Count Dooku is the real space fascist, warmonging and ruling for the benefit of the Trade Federation, Banking Clan, etc, but him seeking more power is justified. Palpatine doesn't really do anything wrong in the OT, and his secret leadership of the Separatists in the Prequels lead to their ultimate destruction 

...And please, let's not get too political, please 

I feel as if you completely missed the point of Sheev Palpatine and Star Wars. Sheev engineers a conflict from the ground up to get himself into ultimate power via a war in which he controls everything. He emotionally manipulates Anakin into doing what he KNOWS is wrong and by extension, gets him to the point when Anakin's own wife, Padme, tries to stop him, he kills the one person Skywalker was trying to save. Palpatine also sweeps away the Old Republic with a dictatorship, eventually dissolving the Senate in ANH. He tortures people (such as Luke) when they don't join him, motions Anakin to kill Dooku (who is too blindsided by the betrayal to reveal Sidious to the two heroes) and gives the go ahead to build two literal planet killers - the Death Stars I and II. Sheev also massacres an entire religious order of tens of thousands down to the handful who slip through his grasp... even children are not spared by his own order to Anakin of "Show no mercy". He also wanted to take over his own granddaughters body to keep his spirit from dying! Sheev isn't calm, he' manipulative. He's not fearless, he's afraid of loosing his immense power. Respectful is not even in the Emperor's vocabulary.

He is EVIL, pure and simple!

Edited December 2, 2024 by Murdoch17