42177 Mercedes G500 4X4

[R0Sch]

2 minutes ago, kbalage said:

The 2024 g500 is equipped with an L6. The specifications of licensed models often follow the wishes of the licensing partner, if they want their latest variant represented, that's what they get. As I've mentioned before, I'm not a fan of these new "pistons", but an oversized engine wouldn't be any better. Honestly the half pins and axles were still the best in this scale, at least they were generic parts and not something specialized but still weird.

 

Except this is NOT the 2024 model but the 2022 version, it was posted a few pages before by others as well. That one has a V8 option. Besides, the 2024 version also has a V8 in the AMG G 63 so it's not like Mercedes discontinued the engine and switched to L6 only. Everyone was hoping for the beefier 4x4^2 anyway.
https://www.auto-data.net/en/mercedes-benz-g-class-model-1364

[kbalage]

25 minutes ago, allanp said:

I'd have preferred less pistons, like an inline 4 over this. This is a step backwards in authenticity. I don't buy the "If the licencing partner wants" argument.

You don't have to buy it, it is still a thing. Licensed sets are sometimes highly influenced by the partners, it was mentioned by LEGO designers several times.

 

13 minutes ago, R0Sch said:

Except this is NOT the 2024 model but the 2022 version, it was posted a few pages before by others as well.

Nope, someone posted that "PROFESSIONAL LINE" color/specification being mentioned in an article from 2022. This specification should be available with the 2024 model as well, which, understandably can be represented by a set released in 2024. Anyway, I'm not here to argue about it, wait for the official reveal and all the details about the set. 

Edit - I'm sure you will be able to find it on other languages, but here's a Hungarian page on the official site, saying:

"Discover the outstanding elements of the exterior design of the Mercedes-Benz G-Class, which are available in three versions: the PROFESSIONAL Line, the EXCLUSIVE Line, and the sporty AMG Line"

[SNIPE]

Still hope this has a gearbox

[R0Sch]

23 minutes ago, kbalage said:

You don't have to buy it, it is still a thing. Licensed sets are sometimes highly influenced by the partners, it was mentioned by LEGO designers several times.

 

Nope, someone posted that "PROFESSIONAL LINE" color/specification being mentioned in an article from 2022. This specification should be available with the 2024 model as well, which, understandably can be represented by a set released in 2024. Anyway, I'm not here to argue about it, wait for the official reveal and all the details about the set. 

Edit - I'm sure you will be able to find it on other languages, but here's a Hungarian page on the official site, saying:

"Discover the outstanding elements of the exterior design of the Mercedes-Benz G-Class, which are available in three versions: the PROFESSIONAL Line, the EXCLUSIVE Line, and the sporty AMG Line"

It's OK, I also speak Hungarian :D. My point was that The LEGO G500 model doesn't really look like the 2024 face lift version. The front bumper, headlights and grille and the color would also suggest the older "final edition" model. But who knows what chimera they ended up modeling in the end.

[gyenesvi]

Well, having mixed feelings so far.. On one hand, I like the color (though was hoping for purple), at least with the space sets, this color can have a decent part selection, not sure though if they complete each other or if there's a large overlap in the orange parts. I also like the larger tires with offroad pattern, that's a good scale, the Defender would have also benefited from it, and the model looks beefy with them. Btw, these larger tires, even 95mm ones work well with Defender fenders, so I was hoping for at least those in black (or even better, a new fender part that's not so overly wide). These beam built ones are out of scale in height and boring in terms of building technique.

Now the bad part.

On 7/8/2024 at 6:34 PM, rm8 said:

such a poor design for such a big scale :(

This. The overall proportions are not bad (not hard to do), but I just don't get people when they look at a model like this and say, "whoaa, that looks awesome". Even a jigsaw has a smoother finish when fitted properly. The doors look just crap to me with all those connectors and panels randomly added. When will Lego realize that such doors desperately need 5x7 panels? Even the rear door could have just been built with a 5x7 panel with a single 5L small wing panel attached to it vertically instead of those cluttered connected small panels.. And the windows. Not yet completely convinced on the new angled connector, but if they went on to produce that, then why couldn't they use this  connector instead of this  to make the window frames look uniform? It is available in the new color, at the bottom of the rear door. It all looks so random. Furthermore, I find that angled connector to be a not so great way of building these kind of things, because (irrespective of the angle), it makes the looks cluttered anyway, it can rarely fit the context smoothly, which is definitely not the case here. And the rest of the doors are equally cluttered. I can see at least 2 or 3 places where a 6L beam could have been handy (or even a 4L). When will they realize that producing those parts could pay off quite fast? So kind of underwhelming for me on the looks part.

I don't yet want to say too much about functionality yet, as we don't know what's inside, but that bottom operated diff lock does not sound too promising so far.. This is pretty large scale, many things should be possible to fin in there..

Anyways, of course I am going to get one.. :D

[SNIPE]

25 minutes ago, gyenesvi said:

then why couldn't they use this  connector instead of this  

Maybe the doors open and close easier with the bottom connector

[gyenesvi]

45 minutes ago, SNIPE said:

Maybe the doors open and close easier with the bottom connector

I can see several of them that surely does not influence the door opening..

[nerdsforprez]

On 7/9/2024 at 2:42 PM, Zerobricks said:

Another mod idea is making the Squared MOD with portal hubs and larger tyres, mudguards and other details.

Perhaps I did not adequately follow the conversation at the first of this thread, but I thought using portal hubs was ruled out because of what rim the model uses (Defender rim)...

Brick-built designs are available but I thought the discussion highlighted that there are no designs that wouldn't limit the steering too much...

 

[Zerobricks]

1 minute ago, nerdsforprez said:

Perhaps I did not adequately follow the conversation at the first of this thread, but I thought using portal hubs was ruled out because of what rim the model uses (Defender rim)...

Brick-built designs are available but I thought the discussion highlighted that there are no designs that wouldn't limit the steering too much...

 

You can always build a portal hub that fits the Defender rim like I did with my Tiger 6x6:

 

[gyenesvi]

14 minutes ago, nerdsforprez said:

Perhaps I did not adequately follow the conversation at the first of this thread, but I thought using portal hubs was ruled out because of what rim the model uses (Defender rim)...

Brick-built designs are available but I thought the discussion highlighted that there are no designs that wouldn't limit the steering too much...

5 minutes ago, Zerobricks said:

You can always build a portal hub that fits the Defender rim like I did with my Tiger 6x6:

If I see that correctly, that will still have the steering pivot one stud away from the rim, not immediately next to it, which will result in a bit larger scrub radius than ideal (and bump into the fenders of the Defender for example). Not as bad as with the current portal parts, but it could be enhanced with a revised dedicated part that would work with Defender rims. Also, this model has steering pivot next to the hub and flies under the Defender fenders with 95mm tires. With 87 mm tires and not so tight fenders, the situation could be somewhat better though.

 

[Zerobricks]

5 minutes ago, gyenesvi said:

If I see that correctly, that will still have the steering pivot one stud away from the rim, not immediately next to it, which will result in a bit larger scrub radius than ideal (and bump into the fenders of the Defender for example). Not as bad as with the current portal parts, but it could be enhanced with a revised dedicated part that would work with Defender rims. Also, this model has steering pivot next to the hub and flies under the Defender fenders with 95mm tires. With 87 mm tires and not so tight fenders, the situation could be somewhat better though.

 

True. You can make an even more compact brick-built hub using the 99773 pieces and by skipping the hub bearings, but then it will not be as stiff... But I think we may be getting off-topic.

[nerdsforprez]

17 minutes ago, Zerobricks said:

But I think we may be getting off-topic.

Perhaps not.  Like you, I am interested in this set but only because of the potential for it to be modified into the 4x4 squared version

 

[Zerobricks]

57 minutes ago, nerdsforprez said:

Perhaps not.  Like you, I am interested in this set but only because of the potential for it to be modified into the 4x4 squared version

 

Here's a quick idea I had in regards to compact portal hub upgrade:

 

[Zerobricks]

https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/mercedes-benz-g-500-professional-line-42177

Observations:

• Also has a 12 tooth clutch gear!
• 2 diff locks - so rear and central
• DNR + high/low gearbox

Edited July 11, 2024 by Zerobricks

[Krxlion]

Those are great news! The more sets will receive new 12T clutch gear the better! My heart and wallet was bumping that I would need to get both 42172 and 42177 to get all the goodies, but it looks like I will get this one and yacht (for those pistons).

[Timorzelorzworz]

This set is really WOW

[kbalage]

13 hours ago, R0Sch said:

It's OK, I also speak Hungarian :D. My point was that The LEGO G500 model doesn't really look like the 2024 face lift version. The front bumper, headlights and grille and the color would also suggest the older "final edition" model.

The back of the box shows the new model with the facelifted grille using 4 horizontal bars, and that is also recreated by the LEGO model.

[Akbalder]

The Lego page doesn't clearly describe the gearbox. Are there gears or only low/high selector?

[Auroralampinen]

 Herw is first review 

[nerdsforprez]

10 hours ago, Zerobricks said:

Here's a quick idea I had in regards to compact portal hub upgrade:

Awesome.  I also see it on the "MODs" thread.  This is the first set I will be buying in a long time, and likely be pursuing these mods....

[burak]

48 minutes ago, Auroralampinen said:

 Herw is first review 

Interesting, I got the following new info from the video:

• set designer is Milan Reindl
• we get 1 new suspension arm from the P1 here as well for the rear 4-link live axle
• proper steering with Ackermann geometry, although it seems a little exaggerated to me
• 2 standard 6.5L shock absorbers for the rear axle
• working door locks on all 5 doors
• nicer interior and loadspace compared to the defender
• 2x2 round tiles on the wheels are printed, but the one on the spare wheel is not

[Ngoc Nguyen]

Milan is now a Senior Designer, wow

[dabo]

Excuse my ignorance, is this the same scale as the Land Rover? 

[Urbal]

@dabo looks like it is indeed Defender model 1:10 scale replacement, with very similar dimensions (Brick Fanatics mentioned negligible 1cm difference)

So, having watched the aforementioned review along with Lego official materials.... comparing to Defender we will be missing  4 speed gearbox, instead we are given  locking central and rear diff locks. Honestly, I think that this is the spec Defender should have had with its smaller(ish) 2-door footprint, there was no real need for the gearbox... This time however, I have a feeling that while Defender was almost overpacked with features), Gwagen might feel be a bit hollow - not much use of the increased 4-door chassis with the actual gearbox removed, and less parts for the B-models... Thoughts?

Edited July 11, 2024 by Urbal

[Ngoc Nguyen]

I'm glad that the 4-speed gearbox is not included. It just doesn't make sense to me.