2025 Castle [wishlist/speculation]

[Classic_Spaceman]

47 minutes ago, Black Falcon said:

300 seems to much to me, since I wouldn´t expect them to build a gate with two towers and walls like they did in the kingdoms joust set. Though of course we never know what they would include in it but I would really think it would be 200-250 max. 

LEGO is not putting 8-10 Minifigs and two horses with barding into a $200 set, as we have seen with the MTS (eight Minifigs and five small animals (not counting obligatory frog) for $230)! Additionally, LEGO has been leaning towards large premium collectors’ pieces for Castle, so what would essentially be a direct remake of Knights Challenge is never going to be on the table. 🫤
 

[Westbrick]

1 hour ago, Black Falcon said:

Interesting, you don´t happen to have the picture you are talking about? I looked it up online, but wasn´t able to find anything.

I think it was on the back of the box. I’m gutted this set came out in my dark ages, and would love an updated version!

[Classic_Spaceman]

16 minutes ago, Westbrick said:

I think it was on the back of the box. 

Correct! 
 

[Black Falcon]

12 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

LEGO is not putting 8-10 Minifigs and two horses with barding into a $200 set, as we have seen with the MTS (eight Minifigs and five small animals (not counting obligatory frog) for $230)! Additionally, LEGO has been leaning towards large premium collectors’ pieces for Castle, so what would essentially be a direct remake of Knights Challenge is never going to be on the table. 🫤

You can´t really say they will only put so and so much into a set based on another as those decisions have many different factors. And in the end there are enough Sets I could pull up that show the opposite. The old Joust Set had 9 Minifigures, two horses and bardings for 120€, which obviously would be unrealistc nowadays, but for 200€, it doesn´t seem that unlikely to me. The Lion Knights Castle has 22 Minifigs, and costs double the price, so that would be an actual reference. Two Bardings, two horses and a cow, not to mention a lot shields.

Now Lion Knights Castle seems to have goten quite a good budget to work with but we shouldn´t forget that the Joust Set could actually reuse a lot of the parts needed. The shields, bardings, civilian and soldier torsos, everything is there already. Of course I would still expect some new torsos and not only reuses. 

[Classic_Spaceman]

1 minute ago, Black Falcon said:

The Lion Knights Castle has 22 Minifigs, and costs double the price, so that would be an actual reference. Two Bardings, two horses and a cow, not to mention a lot shields.

I was going off of more recent sets, since the revival of Castle as essentially an 18+ line - I would love to see it return to a full line of playsets at various sizes (Fantasy Era/Kingdoms/Castle 2013), but I also realise that is probably unlikely. 
The LKC is a good comparison as well - $400 for 22 Minifigs and five animals (two horses, a cow, a lamb, and a bird), with only 10 Minifigs being unique and five of those being reuses! The MTS is $230 for five small animals (goat, kitten, two birds, and a squirrel) and eight Minifigs (two of which are reuses). 
An ideal joust/tournament set would have at least two large animals (horses) and around 10 Minifigs at minimum, so that would put it squarely between the MTS and LKC in terms of Minifig and animal content - Hence the speculative price of ~$300. 

11 minutes ago, Black Falcon said:

we shouldn´t forget that the Joust Set could actually reuse a lot of the parts needed. The shields, bardings, civilian and soldier torsos, everything is there already. Of course I would still expect some new torsos and not only reuses. 

My personal hope is that whatever the next Castle set is (a joust feels likely to me, but that is just a guess) will be for the Black Falcons, with any Lions just as guests. I like the Lion Knights, but the Black Falcons are in need of a large official set of their own! Also, I want to see a new Falcon noble design (similar to the Lions’ queen), since neither Falcon torso quite captures the finery of a medieval lord/lady. 
Something else to note about the number of new elements needed for a joust set is that LEGO has been reintroducing classic factions in a staggered fashion (Black Falcons -> Lion Knights and Forestmen with Black Falcons -> Wolfpack and Lion Knights), so we would be up for a new faction by the time a set like this drops (probably 2026). That new faction (likely/hopefully Black Knights!) will need at the very least new torso, leg, shield, and barding designs! 
 

[eldiano]

6 hours ago, Black Falcon said:

300 seems to much to me, since I wouldn´t expect them to build a gate with two towers and walls like they did in the kingdoms joust set. Though of course we never know what they would include in it but I would really think it would be 200-250 max. 

Well but if we don´t expect an other castle anyways, that wouldn´t be an issue and an set to accompany would probably even sell better if you can buy the castle together with the outpost and siege tower you suggested ;).

Interesting, you don´t happen to have the picture you are talking about? I looked it up online, but wasn´t able to find anything.

I would guess Lion Knights, to accompany the other two Sets, and the include a King for that faction. 

 

It was in the back of the box and a nice Easter egg is that if you search for the building instructions in Lego.com it will tell you can combine them LOL.

Not my picture but I found one off ebay, my kingdoms set are locked up in the garage in boxes at the moment.

Looking back on it, we used to get a lot of kings in a majority of sets, like the black falcon faction, I just made my own. But one mod I did was update the tent color of the black falcon tent from dark green to dark blue, man kingdoms was just wild and didn’t know I was living the dream until recently.  

Edited July 11, 2024 by eldiano

[Black Falcon]

12 hours ago, eldiano said:

It was in the back of the box and a nice Easter egg is that if you search for the building instructions in Lego.com it will tell you can combine them LOL.

Honestly, kinda disappointing, since it doesn´t add that much from having just one Set. Well the gate looks more complete ofc, but looking from the front you will have put a lot of bricks for something you won´t see anyways. Actually might have found the picture and just not realised because they look to similar at first sight. And the Sidebuilds for the Walls are just the same twice. So yeah, there was surely an option to buy and combine two, but I would still not really agree that they were meant to buy two, one works pretty well on its own IMO.

12 hours ago, eldiano said:

Looking back on it, we used to get a lot of kings in a majority of sets, like the black falcon faction, I just made my own. But one mod I did was update the tent color of the black falcon tent from dark green to dark blue, man kingdoms was just wild and didn’t know I was living the dream until recently.  

I didn´t even realise it was a falcon knight till now. Would have expected it to be a Dragon Knight like in all the other Sets - and the colour of the tent would better fit to that one also. Wonder if they changed the Dragon Knight for an Falcon-Knight late in the design because they rather wanted a friendly competitor, instead of an enemie.

[eldiano]

2 hours ago, Black Falcon said:

Honestly, kinda disappointing, since it doesn´t add that much from having just one Set. Well the gate looks more complete ofc, but looking from the front you will have put a lot of bricks for something you won´t see anyways. Actually might have found the picture and just not realised because they look to similar at first sight. And the Sidebuilds for the Walls are just the same twice. So yeah, there was surely an option to buy and combine two, but I would still not really agree that they were meant to buy two, one works pretty well on its own IMO.

I didn´t even realise it was a falcon knight till now. Would have expected it to be a Dragon Knight like in all the other Sets - and the colour of the tent would better fit to that one also. Wonder if they changed the Dragon Knight for a Falcon-Knight late in the design because they rather wanted a friendly competitor, instead of an enemie.

That Black Falcon knight was a big deal at that time, granted we didn’t have PaB back then but it was the only way to get that new shield. Aside from the horse skirt, the armor was similar to the other dragon sets. Honestly my only complaint about the Kingdom’s Joust aside from the build was how out of scale it was with the other kingdoms sets, the castle was smaller, so was the dragon knight’s wizard tower, I always used to pose the entrance as castle checkpoint before the castle but it was a weird castle building. 

Even the King’s Carriage Ambush wouldn’t fit his castle gate but could pass through the joust set LOL. I remember towards the end of Kingdoms the next wave would feature more older factions, but they went back to fantasy sets in 2013 rather than the regular castle themed sets. I really wish we could had gotten a third kingdoms wave but even back then  the hype for wave two was exciting! 

I like the in between wait times of the new castle sets. The speculation is pretty exciting, because really don’t know what to expect, however I do miss it when Lego sets had like 6 sets per waves.  

Edited July 11, 2024 by eldiano

[GeoBrick]

2 hours ago, eldiano said:

I like the in between wait times of the new castle sets. The speculation is pretty exciting, because really don’t know what to expect, however I do miss it when Lego sets had like 6 sets per waves.  

In my view that's what we have BDP for for the time being, with the advantage you know the better part of a year what you'll be getting. But the disadvantage of limited availability and the wait before shipping finally happens.

[Black Falcon]

2 hours ago, eldiano said:

I like the in between wait times of the new castle sets. The speculation is pretty exciting, because really don’t know what to expect, however I do miss it when Lego sets had like 6 sets per waves.  

Yeah I was actually pretty much surprised that many here thought of a Joust Set for the next Set as that is something I didn´t had on my list at all. Still would think they could do a wolfpack hideout, since they already brouhgt them back. But guess only Lego knows what they are working on.

[Classic_Spaceman]

1 hour ago, Black Falcon said:

Yeah I was actually pretty much surprised that many here thought of a Joust Set for the next Set as that is something I didn´t had on my list at all. Still would think they could do a wolfpack hideout, since they already brouhgt them back. But guess only Lego knows what they are working on.

There is a Wolfpack hideout Ideas project in review (Wolfpack Castle by BrickHammer), so we may get that in 2HY ‘25 (or by early 2026). If it makes the cut, I would like to see them add a remade Sea Serpent with a couple of Black Knights! 
A hypothetical joust set would probably not release until mid-2026 at the earliest, since we seem to be getting a large ($200+) Castle set every two years (LKC in 2022, MTS in 2024). The Medieval Blacksmith is an outlier here (releasing in 2021), but that was an Ideas set; as such, I can see the Wolfpack Castle coming in 2HY ‘25 and the hypothetical joust set releasing in 2HY ‘26. 
 

[Artanis I]

9 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

There is a Wolfpack hideout Ideas project in review (Wolfpack Castle by BrickHammer), so we may get that in 2HY ‘25 (or by early 2026).

There are half a dozen or more in the Bricklink Designer Program series 5

[Black Falcon]

17 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

There is a Wolfpack hideout Ideas project in review (Wolfpack Castle by BrickHammer), so we may get that in 2HY ‘25 (or by early 2026). If it makes the cut, I would like to see them add a remade Sea Serpent with a couple of Black Knights! 
A hypothetical joust set would probably not release until mid-2026 at the earliest, since we seem to be getting a large ($200+) Castle set every two years (LKC in 2022, MTS in 2024). The Medieval Blacksmith is an outlier here (releasing in 2021), but that was an Ideas set; as such, I can see the Wolfpack Castle coming in 2HY ‘25 and the hypothetical joust set releasing in 2HY ‘26. 
 

I don´t think they will approve that one, since they have castle Sets in Production and normally don´t allow you to use IPs they already use themselves, and I would think it will be same with inhouse-themes - same as they don´t approve modulars for instance.

[Classic_Spaceman]

1 hour ago, Black Falcon said:

I don´t think they will approve that one, since they have castle Sets in Production and normally don´t allow you to use IPs they already use themselves, and I would think it will be same with inhouse-themes - same as they don´t approve modulars for instance.

I feel like there is somewhat of an exception to the “No in-house IP” rule for classic themes (especially since LEGO themselves added Black Falcons to the blacksmith, and Captain Redbeard and a shipwrecked BSB to PoBB!), since anyone who makes a Castle or Pirates entry is likely to include classic factions and characters. Also, the BDP Castle sets have all explicitly featured classic factions! 
I actually think there is a good chance of the Wolfpack Castle making it into production, since while LEGO does have a castle on shelves, it is the massive LKC; the Wolfpack Castle would be a good medium-sized one. LEGO also just reintroduced the Wolfpack in the MTS, so giving them a hideout and an updated (printed!) shield is a logical next step (either that or a GWP). 
 

9 hours ago, Artanis I said:

There are half a dozen or more in the Bricklink Designer Program series 5

I think it is more likely that the BDP Wolfpack sets will not be produced (having been submitted after the Wolfpack Castle went into review), since the Ideas Wolfpack Castle is already in consideration, and because LEGO knows that we would prefer an Ideas set with a standard release and printed shields over a limited-release BDP set with stickers! 
 

[Black Falcon]

1 hour ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

I feel like there is somewhat of an exception to the “No in-house IP” rule for classic themes (especially since LEGO themselves added Black Falcons to the blacksmith, and Captain Redbeard and a shipwrecked BSB to PoBB!), since anyone who makes a Castle or Pirates entry is likely to include classic factions and characters. Also, the BDP Castle sets have all explicitly featured classic factions! 
I actually think there is a good chance of the Wolfpack Castle making it into production, since while LEGO does have a castle on shelves, it is the massive LKC; the Wolfpack Castle would be a good medium-sized one. LEGO also just reintroduced the Wolfpack in the MTS, so giving them a hideout and an updated (printed!) shield is a logical next step (either that or a GWP). 

There is no such thing, as a no in-house IP rule. You can use them as long as it is your own design and you are not rebuilding an old set or just modernizing it.

1 hour ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

I think it is more likely that the BDP Wolfpack sets will not be produced (having been submitted after the Wolfpack Castle went into review), since the Ideas Wolfpack Castle is already in consideration, and because LEGO knows that we would prefer an Ideas set with a standard release and printed shields over a limited-release BDP set with stickers! 

I´d actually say there are better chances for BDP than for ideas. Also the BDP doesn´t really seem to care about sets in production, so I don´t think it would matter much what stuff is submitted or in review through ideas (unless it is the same build).

[Classic_Spaceman]

22 minutes ago, Black Falcon said:

I´d actually say there are better chances for BDP than for ideas. Also the BDP doesn´t really seem to care about sets in production, so I don´t think it would matter much what stuff is submitted or in review through ideas (unless it is the same build).

The BDP Series 5 sets will be announced in August (but produced much later), while the next Ideas review period begins in September (so we should get the current review period results around that time); if LEGO announces both a BDP Wolfpack set and an Ideas Wolfpack set, more people will pass on the BDP one, since they can wait about the same amount of time but get new prints and as many copies of the set as they want. 
 

[Black Falcon]

1 minute ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

The BDP Series 5 sets will be announced in August (but produced much later), while the next Ideas review period begins in September (so we should get the current review period results around that time); if LEGO announces both a BDP Wolfpack set and an Ideas Wolfpack set, more people will pass on the BDP one, since they can wait about the same amount of time but get new prints and as many copies of the set as they want. 

Some might do that, sure. But for instance the Mountain Fortress still sold out, while other Castles were avaiable. Anyways, since I still don´t think that they would choose the wolfpack Set for Ideas, I don´t think they will have the problem anyways ;)

[Capt Wolf]

10 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

I think it is more likely that the BDP Wolfpack sets will not be produced (having been submitted after the Wolfpack Castle went into review), since the Ideas Wolfpack Castle is already in consideration

I think the BDP Wolfpack set was pulled from the voting list, likely because it was already in review for ideas. If so, I think that would increase the chances that it is produced as an Ideas set.

[BrickJagger]

On 7/10/2024 at 4:12 PM, Black Falcon said:

Interesting, you don´t happen to have the picture you are talking about? I looked it up online, but wasn´t able to find anything.

Here to help! https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/60628-new-lego-10223-kingdoms-joust-exclusive/

 

Edited July 13, 2024 by BrickJagger

[Classic_Spaceman]

On 7/13/2024 at 12:16 AM, Capt Wolf said:

I think the BDP Wolfpack set was pulled from the voting list, likely because it was already in review for ideas. If so, I think that would increase the chances that it is produced as an Ideas set.

Nope! There are a multiple Wolfpack entries in the running, to include a remake of Wolfpack Tower. 
 

[Black Falcon]

7 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

Nope! There are a multiple Wolfpack entries in the running, to include a remake of Wolfpack Tower. 

I think he meant that brickhammer submitted the same tower he submitted to Ideas also to BDP and that one was pulled from BDP because already beeing at ideas. That doesn´t have an impact on other wolfpack sets ofc. 

[Capt Wolf]

13 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

There are a multiple Wolfpack entries in the running, to include a remake of Wolfpack Tower. 
 

You are correct about that! I was referring specifically to the Wolfpack entry by the same builder that has the Ideas set under consideration.

There are certainly enough Wolfpack entries out there that we should get at least one, I would hope!

[Artanis I]

14 hours ago, Capt Wolf said:

There are certainly enough Wolfpack entries out there that we should get at least one, I would hope!

Clearly there is demand for it, if they decided 'no' they really are crazy

[Black Falcon]

5 hours ago, Artanis I said:

Clearly there is demand for it, if they decided 'no' they really are crazy

Well there are quite some criteria the team will consider when they decide which sets they will take, like votes, piececount, themes. And hontestly, I am not going to say that they look bad or anything but none of the Wolfpack-entrys for BDP really is a must have to me.

So let´s say another medieval set gets more votes than any of the wolfpack sets, then I could see them taking that one and sets from other themes - also possible they will take the other set and the wolfpack-set when they are not to similar ofc. Eitherway there are enough rounds of BDP that they don´t need to accept a certain theme, because they can still do so the next one.

[Classic_Spaceman]

On 7/14/2024 at 8:07 AM, Black Falcon said:

I think he meant that brickhammer submitted the same tower he submitted to Ideas also to BDP and that one was pulled from BDP because already beeing at ideas. 

Ah - I did not realise that!