42175 Volvo FMX Truck & EC230 Electric Excavator

[Maaboo the Witch]

Moreover, the danger stripes on the dipper stick are inaccurate, as the real thing doesn't have them.

I don't understand it - the EW160E is accurate right down to the smallest detail, and it's incredible that TLG couldn't repeat that for the EC230.

[Jockos]

1 hour ago, Maaboo the Witch said:

Moreover, the danger stripes on the dipper stick are inaccurate, as the real thing doesn't have them.

I don't understand it - the EW160E is accurate right down to the smallest detail, and it's incredible that TLG couldn't repeat that for the EC230.

Times change..sadly not in a good way. Maybe Volvo changed, too.

[R0Sch]

Progress is really slow on the truck. I need higher resolution images. The weird angles on the cab and half stud offsets make it a pain in the a**.

[anyUser]

Excavator appears to be small compared with 42053:

Arm is not (yet?) fixed to superstructure as I only built the hull.

> I came across a coupl of small (#7, #8) panels that are fixed with one pin only.

> Could it be that the excator has an opening door?

 

Edited May 5, 2024 by anyUser

[Maaboo the Witch]

2 hours ago, anyUser said:

Excavator appears to be small compared with 42053:

Actually, they look pretty accurate scale-wise. Note the size of the operator relative to each excavator.

2 hours ago, anyUser said:

Could it be that the excator has an opening door?

It f*cking well better have one!

Edited May 5, 2024 by Maaboo the Witch

[M_longer]

On 5/3/2024 at 2:21 AM, msk6003 said:

Top left 3x13 frame is also conformed.

Top right also, it's 60420 Excavator cylinders;

[Ngoc Nguyen]

20 hours ago, R0Sch said:

Progress is really slow on the truck.

Can you create a Studio file for the 3x13 frame?

[Lego Tom]

2 hours ago, Maaboo the Witch said:

It f*cking well better have one!

Maaboo has spoken!

Edited May 5, 2024 by Lego Tom

[jorgeopesi]

Is the connector inside the fake cylinder new?, it will be a great piece.

[msk6003]

3 hours ago, M_longer said:

Top right also, it's 60420 Excavator cylinders;

 

Cause it it not techinc, I wrote it on part discussion.

[SaperPL]

I feel like this was another good opportunity to introduce proper wheel rims with pivot inside the wheel for better steering and correct wheel arches which was wasted again with faking of the front wheel rim looks with 4185 pieces.

[Zerobricks]

32 minutes ago, SaperPL said:

I feel like this was another good opportunity to introduce proper wheel rims with pivot inside the wheel for better steering and correct wheel arches which was wasted again with faking of the front wheel rim looks with 4185 pieces.

There are deeper rims like the ones that came in the Creator Mustang. But at such small scales, there are big issues managing to fit a steering arm inside, while allowing for a good steering angle and most importantly keeping slack low.

Edited May 5, 2024 by Zerobricks

[SaperPL]

5 minutes ago, Zerobricks said:

There are deeper rims like the ones that came in the Creator Mustang. But at such small scales, there are big issues managing to fit a steering arm inside, while allowing for a good steering angle and most importantly keeping slack low.

Yeah, I know about those issues, but this is still doable if you don't expect to have independent suspension on this wheel. I've made a prototype of this ages ago here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcUp4VzLXqs so it can be done if Lego would want to do it.

Creator expert mustang rim is letting the pivot point inside, but it's still offset from the centre by half stud so the pivot is not perfect. Also it doesn't fit the look of a truck wheel. For a licensed truck, they could've try to add new piece types, but I guess it wasn't critical issue for the set.

[allanp]

11 minutes ago, SaperPL said:

Yeah, I know about those issues, but this is still doable if you don't expect to have independent suspension on this wheel. I've made a prototype of this ages ago here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcUp4VzLXqs so it can be done if Lego would want to do it.

Creator expert mustang rim is letting the pivot point inside, but it's still offset from the centre by half stud so the pivot is not perfect. Also it doesn't fit the look of a truck wheel. For a licensed truck, they could've try to add new piece types, but I guess it wasn't critical issue for the set.

Real truck wheels are so deep they can be bolted back to back without any spacers and still have a gap between the tyres. Don't know why they never make truck wheels like this in Lego.

[anyUser]

20 minutes ago, allanp said:

Real truck wheels are so deep they can be bolted back to back without any spacers and still have a gap between the tyres. Don't know why they never make truck wheels like this in Lego. 

Closest thing: rear wheels of 8436

[Zerobricks]

39 minutes ago, SaperPL said:

Creator expert mustang rim is letting the pivot point inside, but it's still offset from the centre by half stud so the pivot is not perfect. Also it doesn't fit the look of a truck wheel. For a licensed truck, they could've try to add new piece types, but I guess it wasn't critical issue for the set.

You never want the pivot point directly in center, because than the wheel can become unstable. A good analogy is your head and neck support, your head is supported off center and is much more stable and if it were supproted in dead centre and wobble in all directions.

[SaperPL]

1 hour ago, allanp said:

Real truck wheels are so deep they can be bolted back to back without any spacers and still have a gap between the tyres. Don't know why they never make truck wheels like this in Lego.

That's also why I'm asking about rims like that.

36 minutes ago, Zerobricks said:

You never want the pivot point directly in center, because than the wheel can become unstable. A good analogy is your head and neck support, your head is supported off center and is much more stable and if it were supproted in dead centre and wobble in all directions.

But we're talking about toys/models and we're having problems with how this affects wheel arches. Also you may be right when it comes to something that is loose, but here we have a wheel that the vehicle's weight is pressing onto the ground. And I don't remember experiencing any problematic wobbliness with my wheel rims, while I often do have some wobbliness with standard Lego pieces while steering anyway due to some leeway in the parts themselves, so I'd say in this case sitting right in the center might be helping against the problem at slow speeds for more static manual model, while you might be right at it causing some issues at the higher speeds.

[Maaboo the Witch]

The low loader has a kickstand for when it's detached from the truck. Pretty cool. Not enough trailers in previous sets have one if you ask me.

[R0Sch]

7 hours ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

Can you create a Studio file for the 3x13 frame?

Of course. You can download and open the model and you'll have the 3x13 frame in your library automatically. 42175.io

[Bricksley]

On 5/3/2024 at 3:13 AM, 1gor said:

There are excavator buckets with central reinforcement plates; I saw that IRL in Liebherr eherled excavators and on JCB 4CX...but I'm not sure about Volvo

 

Let me add some general information about buckets :)
The topic of buckets is somewhat standardized, of course there are designs strictly developed by a given manufacturer, but in the vast majority of cases it looks like this:
- the simplest division of buckets is based on their function, e.g. digging, clean-up, v-ditch, skeleton, etc.,
- these types of buckets can be divided in size according to the tonnage of the machines, which is the most common determinant rather than capacity,
- once you have selected a specific bucket shell, you need to match it to a given machine. Here you simply add attachments (appropriate spacing/dimension of pins/attachments to the boom of the machine, e.g. Liebherr, Volvo, Cat, etc.). But if the customer wants to have quickly replaceable equipment, a quick coupler is installed on the machine (these also have their own standards/principle of operation, e.g. Lehnhoff, Verachtert, JCB, etc.).
Therefore, there are a lot of combinations and one shape and size of the bucket can be mounted on dozens of different machines thanks to different mountings and/or quick couplers :)

This still does not change the fact that LEGO cannot make an excavator bucket in the appropriate scale for new sets and we are still have buckets for much smaller sets. Do you remember it was in 8043? Instead of giving us something new, they gave us a bucket from a loader that looked ridiculous. What worries me is that if now, despite the license set, I don't get a bucket adapted to larger models, it probably won't happen soon :(

Edited May 6, 2024 by Bricksley

[Dafgek81]

On 5/2/2024 at 11:21 PM, Oh_Hi_Mao said:

Lego is still profit seeking corporation so they so are interested in customers. Design is not lazy, it is well taught and calculated.  You know, I don't like new Hollywood movies and love the old ones. I think nowadays Hollywood became lazy and cheap. But the new movies are still breaking the box office records. Which means regardless of my taste business model is doing just fine.  It is Hollywood which is adapting to the market because they care about the profits. So either I downgrade my standards or I can start looking for movies elsewhere (f.e. foreign countries).

That is why I was forced to look at other brands to get decent looking sets for more down to earth prices.

I have 3 other brand sets already, all designed by Eric Trax, a brilliant designer IMHO, and there are more sets by his design coming this summer, both with manufacturers licences.

And in models I've build from Renrickable I use other brand motors and batteries, the ones from TLG are getting too expensive secondhand.

I also used another brand bricks to build the body of my latest build, it was getting way to expensive to build it in real lego bricks.

I know a hobby may cost money, but even me, with a decent paying job can't continue on this insanely expensive route lego is taking.

[Maaboo the Witch]

On 5/5/2024 at 4:06 PM, Lego Tom said:

Maaboo has spoken!

HOO-AH!

Also, the step up into the cab is represented by a bare connector. TLG couldn't have finished it off with a grill tile?

[Auroralampinen]

https://pin.it/1ZLA1eOnj our local lego retailer has revealed more pictures of this set

[Ngoc Nguyen]

Only these are noteworthy. Hopefully @R0Sch can get some more clues on how the set is built.

 

 

 

[LvdH]

And at least a confirmation that it is indeed two buckets (top left photo):