42172 - McLaren P1

[Ngoc Nguyen]

3893 pieces

$449.99

August 1st

Source: brick_clicker

Go nuts!!!

[Paul B Technic]

That is a lot of pieces. I am keen to see some photos.

[Zerobricks]

I still find it hard to believe LEGO would break trend and release a model built after a 10 year old car that is no longer produced... But oh well, only time will tell.

I do have a feeling it's just a matter of time before a 1:8 model will break the 4000 parts mark.

[Jockos]

2 hours ago, Zerobricks said:

I still find it hard to believe LEGO would break trend and release a model built after a 10 year old car that is no longer produced... But oh well, only time will tell.

I do have a feeling it's just a matter of time before a 1:8 model will break the 4000 parts mark.

I think it will be the new P1. I hope the 4000 pieces mark will be passed in 2026, but in 2028 at the least. What bugs me is why Technic can't make models with 4500-5000 parts. Not that I could afford it, but it seems the designers are way too limited compared to other themes.

[Ngoc Nguyen]

2 minutes ago, Jockos said:

I think it will be the new P1. I hope the 4000 pieces mark will be passed in 2026, but in 2028 at the least. What bugs me is why Technic can't make models with 4500-5000 parts. Not that I could afford it, but it seems the designers are way too limited compared to other themes.

Probably because they wanna keep the cars at the 450$ price point.

Edited June 27, 2024 by Ngoc Nguyen

[Jurss]

3 hours ago, Paul B Technic said:

That is a lot of pieces.

Lot of all kind of small panels, and count is rising.

[Jockos]

47 minutes ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

Probably because they wanna keep the cars at the 450$ price point.

I didn't mean specifically cars by 4500-5000 pieces, but bigger (flagship) sets in general. And, as we could see, the price didn't really stopped them from releasing 42146 :D

[Anio]

1 hour ago, Jockos said:

why Technic can't make models with 4500-5000 parts.

Because designers didn't need such a piece count for the products they developped so far.

I asked this question to Markus back in 2019 (designer of 42100). Designers have no limitation in piece count for products.
If they need 5000 parts for a product some day, they will go for 5000 parts.

The only limit may be the system itself : when you come to huge models, you face the limits of the system. Friction between gears, structural issues, limits of linear actuator, etc.

Let's no forget that they are just plastic elements, first made for kids.

[Seasider]

I don’t think this is the “old” P1. McLaren have been working on a new car codename P18 so I would assume this will actually be named P1 when it’s released.

Goodwood Festival of Speed is mid-July so we may have the car revealed there.

Edited June 27, 2024 by Seasider

[rm8]

2 hours ago, Anio said:

Let's no forget that they are just plastic elements, first made for kids.

I am not a kidd .

...ahhh.

Yes I am

[gyenesvi]

I wonder if there's any actual new info behind this or is it just based on the GWP that we saw already? The brick clicker video seems to be showing only that as well.

[Celeri]

3 hours ago, Anio said:

Because designers didn't need such a piece count for the products they developped so far.

I asked this question to Markus back in 2019 (designer of 42100). Designers have no limitation in piece count for products.
If they need 5000 parts for a product some day, they will go for 5000 parts.

The only limit may be the system itself : when you come to huge models, you face the limits of the system. Friction between gears, structural issues, limits of linear actuator, etc.

Let's no forget that they are just plastic elements, first made for kids.

And maybe we should also keep in mind that the marketing department plays a big part in the piece count, too

Edited June 27, 2024 by Celeri

[Ngoc Nguyen]

3 hours ago, Anio said:

Because designers didn't need such a piece count for the products they developped so far.

They may not have piece count limit, but they have price points which they must ensure their models adhere to. One parameter that the designers use is weight. So there is still a certain upper limit for piece count for any certain set. 

Not to mention, some sets used to contain fluff pieces just to boast "the largest set by piece count" title (42055, 421082, 42100). Why that title matters I have no idea. Maybe for marketing purposes.

[nerdsforprez]

3 hours ago, Seasider said:

I don’t think this is the “old” P1.

Lets also hope, for their sake, that it is not the old P1.  I think TLG is acutely aware of popular, well-designed MOCs of their fans, especially ones that are popular enough to make it into other markets.  Let's not forget @brunojj1's P1 from years ago.  No way TLG competes with that.  If they were to release the old P1, everyone would compare it to @brunojj1's model, and it would fall way short.  My money is that it would be a big joke for TLG, showing how inferior their products are what is being produced in MOC circles.  

[Jockos]

47 minutes ago, nerdsforprez said:

Lets also hope, for their sake, that it is not the old P1.  I think TLG is acutely aware of popular, well-designed MOCs of their fans, especially ones that are popular enough to make it into other markets.  Let's not forget @brunojj1's P1 from years ago.  No way TLG competes with that.  If they were to release the old P1, everyone would compare it to @brunojj1's model, and it would fall way short.  My money is that it would be a big joke for TLG, showing how inferior their products are what is being produced in MOC circles.  

For me it's conspicuous Technic's licensed sets represent as latest versions of vehicles as possible. Whereas Icons represent cars from (long) past eras, so my bet is that this McLaren will be the yet-to-be-unveiled one. Also, if TLG is aware of MOCs, that doesn't stop them (in some cases sadly) to bring out the same model (i.e. Countach).

Edited June 27, 2024 by Jockos

[johnnytifosi]

52 minutes ago, nerdsforprez said:

Lets also hope, for their sake, that it is not the old P1.  I think TLG is acutely aware of popular, well-designed MOCs of their fans, especially ones that are popular enough to make it into other markets.  Let's not forget @brunojj1's P1 from years ago.  No way TLG competes with that.  If they were to release the old P1, everyone would compare it to @brunojj1's model, and it would fall way short.  My money is that it would be a big joke for TLG, showing how inferior their products are what is being produced in MOC circles.   

LOL Lego's products, especially 1:8 cars, have long been vastly inferior to lots of MOCs and alternative manufacturer sets. The F40, Pagani, LaFerrari and AMG One come to mind. Moreover, they just released the Countach, a set which is hardly better to a well known alternative build made with the restriction of having only the pieces of the 911 set.

Edited June 27, 2024 by johnnytifosi

[nerdsforprez]

19 minutes ago, Jockos said:

For me it's conspicuous Technic's licensed sets represent as latest versions of vehicles as possible. Whereas Icons represent cars from (long) past eras, so my bet is that this McLaren will be the yet-to-be-unveiled one. Also, if TLG is aware of MOCs, that doesn't stop them (in some cases sadly) to bring out the same model (i.e. Countach).

 

15 minutes ago, johnnytifosi said:

LOL Lego's products, especially 1:8 cars, have long been vastly inferior to lots of MOCs and alternative manufacturer sets. The F40, Pagani, LaFerrari and AMG One come to mind. Moreover, they just released the Countach, a set which is hardly better to a well known alternative build made with the restriction of having only the pieces of the 911 set.

I understand the comparison to the Countach. But I don't think it is an accurate one.  I think the market of the Countach is very different than the market of the 1:8 scale supercars.  Very niche.  Much more selective, informed, consumer base.  I think a release of this car, when there is likely to be a vastly superior one already out there is dangerous for TLG.  

[howitzer]

1 hour ago, nerdsforprez said:

Lets also hope, for their sake, that it is not the old P1.  I think TLG is acutely aware of popular, well-designed MOCs of their fans, especially ones that are popular enough to make it into other markets.  Let's not forget @brunojj1's P1 from years ago.  No way TLG competes with that.  If they were to release the old P1, everyone would compare it to @brunojj1's model, and it would fall way short.  My money is that it would be a big joke for TLG, showing how inferior their products are what is being produced in MOC circles.  

While TLG is certainly aware of what fans design, I don't think it weighs much in their decisions on what to produce as sets. Vast majority of TLG's market exist outside AFOLs and even among AFOLs only a small minority has familiarized themselves intimately with creations of professional designers or other AFOLs. So I think only a handful of enthusiast would actually go on to make that comparison even if TLG released a car set that has been built many times over by skilled professionals like @brunojj1. We here at Eurobricks are of course among those few.

[Timorzelorzworz]

Model and release date are not confirmed. Its again a pure speculation thread

[Jockos]

30 minutes ago, nerdsforprez said:

 

I understand the comparison to the Countach. But I don't think it is an accurate one.  I think the market of the Countach is very different than the market of the 1:8 scale supercars.  Very niche.  Much more selective, informed, consumer base.  I think a release of this car, when there is likely to be a vastly superior one already out there is dangerous for TLG.  

You're right. Maybe that's why TLG differentiates the themes themselves not only in system (studded/Technic) but also in 'modernity' of the cars. 

Edited June 27, 2024 by Jockos

[nerdsforprez]

51 minutes ago, Timorzelorzworz said:

Model and release date are not confirmed. Its again a pure speculation thread

Perhaps your claim is pure speculation.  The OP has a long history of providing accurate information.  Also, he provides a reference.  

Probably would be better to give your own source of information if you don't believe the information accurate, rather than just stating this with no supporting information... 

Edited June 27, 2024 by nerdsforprez

[valenciaeric]

3 hours ago, Ngoc Nguyen said:

They may not have piece count limit, but they have price points which they must ensure their models adhere to. One parameter that the designers use is weight. So there is still a certain upper limit for piece count for any certain set. 

Not to mention, some sets used to contain fluff pieces just to boast "the largest set by piece count" title (42055, 421082, 42100). Why that title matters I have no idea. Maybe for marketing purposes.

Yeah they use those metrics because punters like us do too. We now see several sets with more than 3k pieces over all themes and quite a few with more than 5k too. They tested the water with the 911, which at the time was expensive but then saw it sold well and resale values went through the roof so they made the next ones more detailed and more expensive, with longer shelf lives as they new they could push the envelope that far. Perhaps with the 2 Liebherrs they pushed too far and we won´t see similarly priced sets with multiple motors again for a while.

[msk6003]

Didn't you say it would be released in October before? Has it changed again?

[kbalage]

2 hours ago, johnnytifosi said:

LOL Lego's products, especially 1:8 cars, have long been vastly inferior to lots of MOCs and alternative manufacturer sets. The F40, Pagani, LaFerrari and AMG One come to mind. Moreover, they just released the Countach, a set which is hardly better to a well known alternative build made with the restriction of having only the pieces of the 911 set.

A general declaration of inferiority like this is simply wrong. MOCs (and certain alternative manufacturers) have a very different target audience than LEGO. Even the 1:8 Technic supercars are designed to be built by inexperienced builders as well, which is definitely not the case with most MOCs and large CaDA sets for example. I've built many LEGO sets and quite a few MOCs, even some cars from other brands, and as always, there is no black or white. There are better solutions, but there are also worse ones on both sides.

In the case of the Countach, I've just made a detailed comparison video with the 911 alternative model from Firas. This is a B-model, a brilliant design, but it's not necessarily more accurate in most respects than the official LEGO set. That one undoubtedly has some major flaws, but also quite a few better solutions, so again there is no clear winner/loser here.

I don't think TLG generally looks at MOCs when choosing its future models. For one thing, these decisions are often made several years before the set is released, and for another, generally only a very small percentage of customers are aware of the existence of these fan designs, so from their perspective it doesn't really affect the overall perception of a release.

[nerdsforprez]

1 hour ago, kbalage said:

there is no black or white

respectfully, while I get what you are trying to say, and certainly there are different target audiences and restrictions/limitations on builders for TLG that may/may not be present for MOCers I believe we can at least set a black and white rule that gearboxes work.  Or at least have correct sequencing, which many of TLG's 1:8 cars have not.  I don't recall all the specifics, but I know at least 42056 and the Bugatti had errors with the gearboxes.  GLARING errors.  So, with even that LOW bar I think we can say there are designs from AFOLs much superior than TLG's 1:8 supercars.  If we use the argument of restrictions imposed on TLG b/c of them needing to sell their product you would think a working gearbox would be the bare minimum of what they should achieve.  Which, they did not even get that right.... 

Not here to throw too much shade on TLG for their 1:8 cars.  I have the Porsche and the Bugatti.  But I stopped purchasing them after that.  TLG, in my opinion still puts out quality products, but the 1:8 supercars are not among them....  

Edited June 27, 2024 by nerdsforprez