42172 - McLaren P1

[M_longer]

3 hours ago, R0Sch said:

and still use blue pins. ;)

Or BLO pins and axles:

[Zerobricks]

They look like yellow frictionless pins which would make sense so the skin is more flexible.

Edited September 12, 2024 by Zerobricks

[kbalage]

1 hour ago, Zerobricks said:

I didn't hear anything mentioned about the power source of the 1:1. I doubt they used an ICE, that would melt bricks though...

This is what they have in the press release:

The build features an electric motor consisting of LEGO Technic Function batteries and an electric car battery, allowing it to travel further than any other LEGO model before it.

The LEGO Technic engine consists of 8 motor packs, each consisting of 96 LEGO Power function motors, which means the car features a total of 768 LEGO motors. The 8 motor packs imitate the V8 seen in the original McLaren P1™.

I reached out for clarification but didn't succeed yet, they practically repeated the same thing. I have no idea what "LEGO Technic Function batteries" are supposed to be, but I think besides the 768 Technic motors they used a proper electric motor, and also an EV battery, so the heavy lifting should be done by real automotive parts. I highly doubt the top speed of 40 mph was achieved by LEGO motors only, the Chiron could only do 20 km/h and that had 2304 LEGO motors. 

[Zerobricks]

8 minutes ago, kbalage said:

The build features an electric motor consisting of LEGO Technic Function batteries and an electric car battery, allowing it to travel further than any other LEGO model before it.

The LEGO Technic engine consists of 8 motor packs, each consisting of 96 LEGO Power function motors, which means the car features a total of 768 LEGO motors. The 8 motor packs imitate the V8 seen in the original McLaren P1™.

Thank you for the info. Power Functions you say? Not Powered Up? Wish we could get more details...

[kbalage]

12 minutes ago, Zerobricks said:

Thank you for the info. Power Functions you say? Not Powered Up? Wish we could get more details...

Nah, they say "Power function motors". Honestly, I think this was written by PR people and they don't really know Technic, these can be easily Powered Up motors. Here you can read the whole press release if you are interested. Unfortunately there's no video or photo evidence of the exact LEGO parts used, I try to get some clarification but can't promise much. 

[Stereo]

I don't know for sure if they're 2L or 3L pins, I think 3L makes more sense symmetrically.  These are the parts my copy of Stud.io doesn't know about in Bright Flame Orange though.  The 3L axle with stop is probably most interesting, it's never been recoloured?

The black rubber parts handle most of the actual flex, I suppose the pins would give a bit but this structure's already a tiny bit off exact (the 7L beams are slightly too long) so it might take up the looseness.

Edited September 12, 2024 by Stereo

[pleegwat]

They may well have manufactured a limited batch of some pieces in this color just for this project, without any intention to ever put them in a set.

[StudWorks]

7 hours ago, astyanax said:

Cannot be unseen 

4 hours ago, kbalage said:

This is what they have in the press release:

The build features an electric motor consisting of LEGO Technic Function batteries and an electric car battery, allowing it to travel further than any other LEGO model before it.

The LEGO Technic engine consists of 8 motor packs, each consisting of 96 LEGO Power function motors, which means the car features a total of 768 LEGO motors. The 8 motor packs imitate the V8 seen in the original McLaren P1™.

I reached out for clarification but didn't succeed yet, they practically repeated the same thing. I have no idea what "LEGO Technic Function batteries" are supposed to be, but I think besides the 768 Technic motors they used a proper electric motor, and also an EV battery, so the heavy lifting should be done by real automotive parts. I highly doubt the top speed of 40 mph was achieved by LEGO motors only, the Chiron could only do 20 km/h and that had 2304 LEGO motors. 

I have a hard time believing a life-size car made of LEGO can even DO 40 mph. Must be scary as heck.

[NV Lego technic]

8 hours ago, StudWorks said:

Must be scary as heck. 

Exactly. Also, I can't imagine Lego axles not melting under probably multiple tins of load at speeds of 40mph. They've probably used a 3rd party shaft for driving.

[kbalage]

9 hours ago, StudWorks said:

I have a hard time believing a life-size car made of LEGO can even DO 40 mph. Must be scary as heck.

All the earlier life-size Technic cars had a metal frame for the chassis, had car wheels etc. The drivable ones like the Bugatti also had proper automotive parts in the drivetrain. Here's a screenshot from one of the videos shared by LEGO, this is underneath the LEGO skin. I guess we can see the non-LEGO battery and engine here too:

[Zerobricks]

2 hours ago, kbalage said:

All the earlier life-size Technic cars had a metal frame for the chassis, had car wheels etc. The drivable ones like the Bugatti also had proper automotive parts in the drivetrain. Here's a screenshot from one of the videos shared by LEGO, this is underneath the LEGO skin. I guess we can see the non-LEGO battery and engine here too:

This makes no sense, what happened to 768 motors? Is marketing again not knowing what they are marketing?

[Aurorasaurus]

8 minutes ago, Zerobricks said:

This makes no sense, what happened to 768 motors? Is marketing again not knowing what they are marketing?

Perhaps they motorised the doors or something...

[Davidz90]

Yeah, this is weird. Counting about 3 watts per motor, it is ~2.3 kW total, or 3 horsepower. More than enough to get the car rolling, but 40mph seems unlikely.

[2GodBDGlory]

If they are using large quantities of PU motors in there, I wonder how they actually coupled them together electrically, what with non-stackable plugs and all!

[kbalage]

2 hours ago, Zerobricks said:

This makes no sense, what happened to 768 motors? Is marketing again not knowing what they are marketing?

I assume that they are not yet installed in the chassis at this point. They are supposed to be stacked in 8 groups like the V8, so I guess they are mounted where the engine supposed to be.

[gyenesvi]

This all sounds quite controversial with those motors and the speed, but my biggest gripe is not that (I could understand that the drivetrain would not work out of lego parts), but rather all the money they are spending on this, while they spare new parts out of actual sets. I read that they made 7 new parts just for this, and even supposing that they are only recolors, that's a lot when actual sets don't get some smaller connector parts recolored, and I could easily imagine that we'll never see those recolors in actual sets, which just feels like a waste. I'd rather would like to see TLG brag about how realistic lego car set they actually made with innovative/realistic parts. They could have just started by making a 7L link for the steering that goes with the new 7L suspension arm without resulting in toe in/out.. I feel this is so hypocritical. And I wonder if marketing-wise the cost of this will ever be returned in actual sales.. Though even wonder which party covers the cost..

Edited September 14, 2024 by gyenesvi

[LegoHoops]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzCaTMT3TCM

McLaren Pure Event @ Silverstone - Lego McLaren P1 details @8.27

Lego motors @13.03

 

Edited September 15, 2024 by LegoHoops

[howitzer]

10 hours ago, gyenesvi said:

This all sounds quite controversial with those motors and the speed, but my biggest gripe is not that (I could understand that the drivetrain would not work out of lego parts), but rather all the money they are spending on this, while they spare new parts out of actual sets. I read that they made 7 new parts just for this, and even supposing that they are only recolors, that's a lot when actual sets don't get some smaller connector parts recolored, and I could easily imagine that we'll never see those recolors in actual sets, which just feels like a waste. I'd rather would like to see TLG brag about how realistic lego car set they actually made with innovative/realistic parts. They could have just started by making a 7L link for the steering that goes with the new 7L suspension arm without resulting in toe in/out.. I feel this is so hypocritical. And I wonder if marketing-wise the cost of this will ever be returned in actual sales.. Though even wonder which party covers the cost..

I agree with you, it's really annoying to not have certain parts made at all while marketing ploys get new stuff, but I guess the logistics of making a new element for set is quite a bit more demanding than making a small-scale limited single-use production run of some element, especially if it's just a recolour instead of totally new part. I also guess that money for making these parts comes from marketing budget of TLG instead of set design and production budget, so that might be a factor in it.

[pleegwat]

13 hours ago, gyenesvi said:

This all sounds quite controversial with those motors and the speed, but my biggest gripe is not that (I could understand that the drivetrain would not work out of lego parts), but rather all the money they are spending on this, while they spare new parts out of actual sets. I read that they made 7 new parts just for this, and even supposing that they are only recolors, that's a lot when actual sets don't get some smaller connector parts recolored, and I could easily imagine that we'll never see those recolors in actual sets, which just feels like a waste. I'd rather would like to see TLG brag about how realistic lego car set they actually made with innovative/realistic parts. They could have just started by making a 7L link for the steering that goes with the new 7L suspension arm without resulting in toe in/out.. I feel this is so hypocritical. And I wonder if marketing-wise the cost of this will ever be returned in actual sales.. Though even wonder which party covers the cost..

The answer is probably that a one-off recolor in a bucket in the Special Projects lab is far cheaper than a recolor in the automated storage hall the sets are picked from.

I doubt they'd injection-mold a fully new part design just for a project like this if they weren't going to reuse it in sets later. They may 3d-print some special purpose parts, but personally I would not refer to those as new parts for marketing purposes. Of course I'm not in marketing.

[Auroralampinen]

Here is sariels review of this set 

[astyanax]

While there's a lot to complain about the front, Sariel made a big building error and then proceeded to point out (literally) how wrong it looked...

[NV Lego technic]

The most wrong part about the front are the headlights. They're way too large and they don't arch below the hood. Transparent flex axles would've also been a huge improvement, like this they pop out way too much.

[JesseNight]

On 9/20/2024 at 9:21 PM, astyanax said:

While there's a lot to complain about the front, Sariel made a big building error and then proceeded to point out (literally) how wrong it looked...

Oh dang, I didn't notice at first how he flipped the left and right panels next to the vents!

I think watching from the top, one big issue is that the front of the real P1 is much more rounded than the Lego counterpart. I hear people often say the front should be 1-2 studs longer, but that's really only in the center when you look at it from above. The "cheeks" follow that extreme rounded front and so do the headlights, making the side view look very wrong.

Ngl... I do love the front of the LEGO one. It's just not a P1 front.

[astyanax]

On 8/13/2024 at 9:55 AM, langko said:

I don’t have either model (and correct me if I’m wrong) but looking at photos from the underside both models have the same amount of studs from the middle of the front axle to the tip of the front splitter. But given the bigger scale due to the cartoonish wheels you mentioned the LEGO one should actually be longer. So as well as fixing the light position and the front curvature I also think you need to pull the front nose out by 1 or 2 studs as well.

FWIW, the tip of the splitter of the Ferrari Daytona SP3 is a full 2 studs further out than the splitter of the McLaren P1. 

Is the real SP3 that much "pointier" than the real P1?

[JunkstyleGio]

On 9/20/2024 at 9:21 PM, astyanax said:

While there's a lot to complain about the front, Sariel made a big building error and then proceeded to point out (literally) how wrong it looked...

 

Although again Sariel's review is very strong, he made various construction errors. Moreover, the model also squeaks in his version: something I have yet to hear my version do.
In my opinion, these build errors all arose because of his building speed