Mandalorianknight Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 22 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said: Supergirl canonically sold the cure to cancer to him for $1 million. (She wanted the money to pay for a sushi date with her boyfriend) Didn't he cure cancer to prove he could, and then give his sister cancer again? Like the time Iron Man gave daredevil his vision back for, like, a day. 1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said: 2013 was when the superheroes themes peaked with that set along with the Mandarin’s flaming golfkart of doooooom Fair point. The more annoying issue is that WB/DC don‘t seem to care, as evidenced by that stupid press release tricking us into thinking we‘d get sets Biggest missed opportunity in What If was not making an entire episode based off "What if the Mandrin had a flame-spewing golf cart". (Actually though "What if the Mandrin was actually the Mandrin" where Iron Man actually has to deal with the ten rings would be a lot more interesting than half the episodes we did get.) I mean with respect, some of us had been warning you for awhile that it was probably just a suit not looking too heavily into the specifics of superman's suit in the set. Tie-in merch isn't always even remotely related to what was in the movie (IIRC spider-man FFH had a spider-UK action figure and jet for him in it's tie-in merch, and just look at the sets), so realistically, even if it was a "trick", the most we really lost out on was, like, movie packaging for the set. As you said, we've gotten flaming golf carts of doom in the past, as well as times in DC where we didn't get sets packaged as tie ins, but containing the same characters. Edited January 3 by Mandalorianknight Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 3 Posted January 3 2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Tie-in merch isn't always even remotely related to what was in the movie […] True, but so far all LEGO tie-in sets were at least somewhat related to the movies. Arguably the biggest outlier has been the aforementioned NWH wave, and even then they clearly marked on the box what two of the sets were inspired by and the third one at least featured the movie costumes and a relevant location (albeit with creative liberties). Announcing movie tie-in products only to then release a small comic-inspired set is entirely unprecedented. Yeah, we were warned, but it‘s still a silly notion they‘d simply skip a highly anticipated movie like that, but here we are I suppose it’s because previous risks hadn‘t paid off, but it‘s still gobsmacking to me they‘d invest a ton of money into themes like Angry Birds, Trolls, Minions, Gabby etc. but not into Soup, which wouldn‘t even really require any new pieces. A Soup movie should not be seen as riskier than any of the above. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 50 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said: True, but so far all LEGO tie-in sets were at least somewhat related to the movies. Arguably the biggest outlier has been the aforementioned NWH wave, and even then they clearly marked on the box what two of the sets were inspired by and the third one at least featured the movie costumes and a relevant location (albeit with creative liberties). Announcing movie tie-in products only to then release a small comic-inspired set is entirely unprecedented. Yeah, we were warned, but it‘s still a silly notion they‘d simply skip a highly anticipated movie like that, but here we are I suppose it’s because previous risks hadn‘t paid off, but it‘s still gobsmacking to me they‘d invest a ton of money into themes like Angry Birds, Trolls, Minions, Gabby etc. but not into Soup, which wouldn‘t even really require any new pieces. A Soup movie should not be seen as riskier than any of the above. Sure, but the only difference between this and something like the NWH spider-drone set is the fact that it doesn't have a little print on the box saying "inspired by Soup (2025)". (And that both the characters in the set will appear in the movie). And while I can't think of any films that had tie-ins not directly stated on the packaging (aside from DC movies where the maturity level played a role), so you are right that that specific situation hasn't happen before, marvel's had plenty of sets based on games and tv shows that don't directly spell out that correlation on the box. The specific setup of a movie with an tie in set that isn't given movie labels is something I don't think we've seen before, sure, but I don't think it's something completely out of lego's wheelhouse for what is in many ways a dying theme. (I also don't think DC did anything bad here with that press release. There's no doubt in my mind that without the movie and/or pressure from DC, lego wouldn't have made any soup related sets this year.) For some of the licensed themes, we've got a huge shift from that main 6-12 demo to 18+ sets (with no loss in 4+ sets). Marvel is currently still getting plenty of sets for that main demo, but look what happened to DC. Look what's happed to star wars's first half of each year especially. The number of system sets is starting to decrease, with 18+ sets filling the gap. I could go fully into what I think's going on here, with lego starting to cede ground to phones and social media after about a decade of trying to integrate the physical sets into them, but for now I'll focus more on the existence of the trend rather than what I think's driving it. (As a side note of a side note, I'm leaving video games out of that above part for a reason- they've been around for about as long as minifigures. I don't think console games have ever been a threat to lego.) So now look at Soup under that lens. They've got a mech out, so if a kid really wants lego soup they've got something. But they have no guarantee soup will be a success, and no adult's going to be nostalgic for soup 2025 in 2025, which is inarguably the driving factor for almost all DC sets nowadays. Every non-4+ set since The Batman's sets has been based on a film at least a decade or so old. If anything, I'm surprised we didn't get a Christopher Reeve diorama set or something. All the themes you mentioned at the end there were primarily aimed at younger children, which isn't Soup's primary demographic- it's a PG-13 movie after all, and while plenty of people under that age will see it, I can totally see why lego would view it as more of a risk for the demo you listed. They've had definite sales issues with superhero movie tie in sets in the past few years and have drastically reduced the output for those sets, and when you remove the brand of the once-monolithic MCU from the equation, I can see why lego's gone from "single direct tie in set" for most of the 2023 and 2024 marvel movies to "single loose tie-in set" for Soup. Obviously none of this is good. But it's what lego seems to be doing. I think you're right that in a lot of ways soup sets shouldn't be seen as that big of a risk, but I can get why lego would see them as such, and they've been leaning in this general direction for awhile. Edited January 3 by Mandalorianknight Quote
RedHoodPug Posted January 3 Posted January 3 TLG: sadly we've had to bring an end to experimenting with greener materials in a bid to stop using ABS. *Sees the Eurobricks forum making the word soup trend* TLG: we've begun a revolutionary process of converting soup into a sustainable building material. Quote
CloneCommando99 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 13 minutes ago, RedHoodPug said: TLG: sadly we've had to bring an end to experimenting with greener materials in a bid to stop using ABS. *Sees the Eurobricks forum making the word soup trend* TLG: we've begun a revolutionary process of converting soup into a sustainable building material. Maybe we should dial back the Man references. What vehicle do you guys think the Batcave will include? Edited January 3 by CloneCommando99 Quote
Agent Kallus Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, RedHoodPug said: TLG: sadly we've had to bring an end to experimenting with greener materials in a bid to stop using ABS. Chat: Is this real? 1 hour ago, CloneCommando99 said: What vehicle do you guys think the Batcave will include? If it truly is Schumacher based then either of those Batmobiles since neither have been made. Controversial opinion time, but of the Schumacher films Batman and Robin is vastly superior, not because it's better written or more accurate but simply because it is more enjoyable. Quote
Max_Lego Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Agent Kallus said: Controversial opinion time, but of the Schumacher films Batman and Robin is vastly superior, not because it's better written or more accurate but simply because it is more enjoyable. Maybe, maybe not... Depends on whether you can enjoy the camp or cringe at it Seriously though, it does have some good moments. Schwarzenegger did quite a nice job playing a sometimes silly, sometimes serious Mr. Freeze 1 hour ago, Agent Kallus said: Chat: Is this real? I second the question Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted January 4 Posted January 4 6 hours ago, RedHoodPug said: TLG: we've begun a revolutionary process of converting soup into a sustainable building material. I would not put this past them. We get a few very soggy sets and then never hear about it again. 6 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said: Maybe we should dial back the Man references. What vehicle do you guys think the Batcave will include? The ultimate evolution of the "lego houses and vehicles are made out of minifigure flesh" memes. Either a boat or an aircraft if they've got any semblance of sanity left, but I do think it would be really funny if half the piece count of the batcave went to a batmobile, and I'm almost CERTAIN Arkham will have a midi-scale one. 4 hours ago, Agent Kallus said: Chat: Is this real? Controversial opinion time, but of the Schumacher films Batman and Robin is vastly superior, not because it's better written or more accurate but simply because it is more enjoyable. I mean I wouldn't doubt it, the plants-from-plants thing seems to have failed somewhat significantly. Big buzz in 2018 and then, like, two sets with it. I'll give you that. It's a worse movie and that's what makes it more enjoyable to watch. (I was going to end with "like Morbius", but that transcends everything. It's so bad that it's not just "so bad it's good", it's not just "so bad it goes all the way back around "so bad it's good" to being bad again", it's so absurd and yet simultaneously uninteresting that it goes beyond the concept of film quality and becomes a truly unique experience. I haven't seen Kraven, but from what I gather it's just bad and boring, whereas Madam web has some moments that are comically bad, such as the villain jumping into the path of the ambulance at the end.) Quote
RedHoodPug Posted January 4 Posted January 4 4 hours ago, Agent Kallus said: Chat: Is this real? As far as I've read the flexible plant elements are still made of plant byproduct. The plan to replace ABS with recycled plastic bottles ended after it proved just as if not more pollutive. It would appear that they are working on E-methanol as a replacement, but in the meantime lookout for partnerships with Heinz and Baxter's. If they succeed with gazpacho then it can only lead to the long hoped for Red Dwarf theme. Quote
Max_Lego Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Guys, I just had an idea (please forgive me if this idea had already been posted here by someone else) - what if the upcoming Arkham set is based on the Arkham videogames? It does make SOME sense. Quote
Renny The Spaceman Posted January 5 Posted January 5 10 minutes ago, Max_Lego said: Guys, I just had an idea (please forgive me if this idea had already been posted here by someone else) - what if the upcoming Arkham set is based on the Arkham videogames? It does make SOME sense. That would make so much sense financially, so many people who grew up with those games are now nostalgic for them and just coming into disposable income. it's honestly a slam dunk of a set idea. That is the exact reason it will not happen Quote
BatDeanj Posted January 5 Posted January 5 The only real problem is the age rating 16+. they have made Lego Arkham knight suit before though i think the safe bets are comic or BTAS. but with the rumour of the bat cave maybe Batman forever?? Who knows anymore Hope to get some leaks before Easter. Mainly what is based on and who’s included Quote
Darth_Bane13 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 51 minutes ago, BatDeanj said: The only real problem is the age rating 16+. they have made Lego Arkham knight suit before though I'm fairly certain the games are 13+ just like the movies (except knight). Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted January 6 Posted January 6 4 hours ago, BatDeanj said: i think the safe bets are comic Unfortunately, the last normal batman set (so not the 4+ stuff or the mech) to be based on the comics was an accessory pack in 2021, or the wave in 2020, depending on whether or not you count the accessory pack as a system set. Quote
BatDeanj Posted January 6 Posted January 6 11 hours ago, Darth_Bane13 said: I'm fairly certain the games are 13+ just like the movies (except knight). Quote
Agent Kallus Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Ratings depend on region and suchlike, they aren't always consistent. Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Arkham being based on the game series isn‘t impossible, but the timing would be kinda strange. Don‘t get me wrong, the games are classics, but why now? Especially after Rocksteady lost a lot of favour among fans Granted, the same could be said for most of the movie-based sets. Quote
Agent Kallus Posted January 6 Posted January 6 14 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Granted, the same could be said for most of the movie-based sets. It really could. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Arkham being based on the game series isn‘t impossible, but the timing would be kinda strange. Don‘t get me wrong, the games are classics, but why now? Especially after Rocksteady lost a lot of favour among fans Granted, the same could be said for most of the movie-based sets. As you say, you can say more or less the exact same thing about the Burton sets- first few installments were generally well-liked, but it changes hands and a later installment (featuring new actors despite being supposed to be in the same continuity) was so comically bad most people count it as a separate continuity. Now movies are generally more popular than games, but honestly I think Arkham sets would do just as well as Burton ones, if not better, at this point in time. Edited January 6 by Mandalorianknight Quote
NovaBricks Posted January 6 Posted January 6 What would this even look like? A Mos Eisley type set? In the game it’s at least three different buildings if memory serves. Love the games but think I’d prefer a castle looking thing than that. Quote
BatDeanj Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) There's also sewers and a Batcave so its obvious we are not getting everything from the asylum just the main building and maybe a side, still can be based on the game. Just as the shadow box didn't have a batboat area it just focused on other areas (not that it needed a repair tool wall) It just depends on if the age rating is too high. I dont know anything above 13 that Lego has made. not counting Deadpool as that wasn't based on the movies Hang on I just had a thought didn't Lego do sets based on the avengers game... the one rated 16... Edited January 6 by BatDeanj Quote
psqidexslizer Posted January 6 Posted January 6 IMO, the issue with making it game based is the minifigure count. If it’s game based, it would be the only set that is, so repeat minifigures are out of the question. Avengers Tower aside (and I think we can all agree that is a rare exception) I can’t remember the last time we got 10 exclusive minifigures in a set with no reuses. Quote
Darth_Bane13 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 5 hours ago, BatDeanj said: There's also sewers and a Batcave so its obvious we are not getting everything from the asylum just the main building and maybe a side, still can be based on the game. Just as the shadow box didn't have a batboat area it just focused on other areas (not that it needed a repair tool wall) It just depends on if the age rating is too high. I dont know anything above 13 that Lego has made. not counting Deadpool as that wasn't based on the movies Hang on I just had a thought didn't Lego do sets based on the avengers game... the one rated 16... As someone pointed out the age ratings differ per region in the US they're 13+. LEGO has made big bang theory and Seinfeld, I doubt they'd get hung up on a batman game that's generally the same rating as other movies and tv shows they've made sets on. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted January 7 Posted January 7 6 hours ago, BatDeanj said: There's also sewers and a Batcave so its obvious we are not getting everything from the asylum just the main building and maybe a side, still can be based on the game. Just as the shadow box didn't have a batboat area it just focused on other areas (not that it needed a repair tool wall) It just depends on if the age rating is too high. I dont know anything above 13 that Lego has made. not counting Deadpool as that wasn't based on the movies Hang on I just had a thought didn't Lego do sets based on the avengers game... the one rated 16... Lego seems to use the US rating systems when deciding this stuff. Something rated PG-13 or T in the US could get sets even if it's 16 or something in the UK, and vice versa if it's rated R. Similarly, T-rated games seem to be OK, but not M rated ones. The only exception to this I can think of is that Arkham Knight Batman got a minifigure in the past, but we'll see. 5 hours ago, psqidexslizer said: IMO, the issue with making it game based is the minifigure count. If it’s game based, it would be the only set that is, so repeat minifigures are out of the question. Avengers Tower aside (and I think we can all agree that is a rare exception) I can’t remember the last time we got 10 exclusive minifigures in a set with no reuses. No re-uses is the trick. If 2-4 of the minifigures are guards or doctors made of re-used parts from other themes, and another 4-5 are inmates all using the same head and torso, they could probably get out of it with the same amount of new prints as the average marvel modular. Quote
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