KotZ Posted December 10, 2024 Posted December 10, 2024 It was a quiet night in Christmastown. Not even any music came from the mom and pop shop. All truly was calm this evening. Santa awoke that morning feeling quite rested, having stayed at the quaint alpine resort. If anything, he was quite surprised with the results. "Well children, it seems there was no news from yesterday or last night to report. Mr. Squirrel here tells me so, isn't that right, little one?" the jolly old man said. The squirrel chattered back. "Yes yes, I know it's cruel of me to put these children through this traumatizing game, but they need to grow up and see the horrors of the real world! They're lucky they live here and not in Sombertown!" Santa stared down at the children. "Out of the goodness of my heart, to make things fairer, instead of two lumps of coal for the non-voters, each will receive one to start the day. Please ensure you vote and participate." Players (5) Clark (Bob) George (Classic_Spaceman) Susan (mostlytechnic) Scott (Tariq J) Eloise (Trekkie99) The Rules 1. Each player will be given a character to play, who will be aligned with either the Nice List (Town) or the Naughty List (Scum). To win the game, the Town must kill off all the Scum, while the Scum needs to outnumber the Town. Third-party (neutral) characters have their own win conditions as outlined in their roles. 2. Each day you will be able to vote to lynch a player. Voting is mandatory. Voting should be done in the following format; Vote: Character (Player). Similarly, unvoting is to be done in the format; Unvote: Character (Player). No other format will be accepted. A majority vote is required to lynch a player. Failure to vote will incur a 2-vote penalty the following game day. 3. A game day will last a maximum of 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. The day will end when a majority vote has been reached after 72 hours. After the day has been concluded, a night stage will commence, which will last 48 hours. Night actions must be sent to the host in the first 20 hours of the night stage. 3.5. Players may not target the same player two nights in a row, and may not target themselves. 4. The alignment of lynched players, as well as those that died during the night, will be revealed at the beginning of the next day. 5. You may not quote or pretend to quote anything sent to or from you in PM with the game host, or in PM with any other players. This includes all the details of your character and role, as well as any night action results. Role claims and reporting of night action results are acceptable, but in your own words only. Do not attempt to use the structure of your role PM to your advantage. 6. Do not play the game outside the thread. Similarly, do not post out of character inside the thread. Game tactics and roles may only be discussed in the game thread or via PM with other players. Private discussion is done at your own risk and should be treated as part of the game. 7. If you are dead, you may not post in thread or discuss the game with any of the players. Any information you had becomes void, and may not be passed on. 8. You may not edit your posts. 9. You must post in every day thread. 10. If you encounter a problem or have a question, please contact the host via PM. 11. Violation of any of the above rules will result in a 5 vote penalty for the first offence, and death on your second offence. 12. There are no hints or clues in the day/night images. **RULES ADDENDUM: I understand life and things get in the way (partially why I'm posting this a bit early today), but with how small of a game this is participation makes it fun for everyone. Some players brought to my attention two votes seems a bit harsh to players of any alignment as death is pretty much a permanent thing. In a non-game master opinion, no-lynch days are some of my favorite, but everyone needs to participate. So instead of two, I am putting a one vote penalty on the three players who did not vote, and any more drastic action may be taken at the end of the day. VOTE COUNT George (Classic_Spaceman) - 1 (penalty) Susan (mostlytechnic) - 1 (penalty) Scott (Tariq J) - 1 (penalty)
Tariq j Posted December 10, 2024 Posted December 10, 2024 I apologise for my late vote - I typed the comment but didn’t hit post until later at which point our host had already ended the day. That being said my reasoning and option still stand. I’m wondering why Clark called out myself instead of Susan when he only made one fluff post.
Classic_Spaceman Posted December 10, 2024 Posted December 10, 2024 “Ahhhhh. . . Good Morning!! Looks like we’re all still here! That’s good - It seems we had a. . . silent night last night!” 14 minutes ago, Tariq j said: That being said my reasoning and option still stand. I’m wondering why Clark called out myself instead of Susan when he only made one fluff post. “Well, right now the only point against Susan is that she didn’t really say anything yesterday; with so few people here, that’s a dangerous tactic for a Naughty Lister - Unless she’s trying to pull a double-bluff. We’ll see; we need to hear more from her today, though!”
Classic_Spaceman Posted December 10, 2024 Posted December 10, 2024 “So I’m wondering, what’s the Naughty Listers’ - or Naughty Lister’s - strategy here? Do they not have a nighttime killer, or is their kill a one-off?” “Could they be trying to get a quick upper hand by targeting one of us with a lump of coal during the day, then getting their kill in tonight? That’d guarantee a win if there are two Naughty Listers, and an easy third day for them if there’s only one.”
Tariq j Posted December 10, 2024 Posted December 10, 2024 42 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said: “So I’m wondering, what’s the Naughty Listers’ - or Naughty Lister’s - strategy here? Do they not have a nighttime killer, or is their kill a one-off?” “Could they be trying to get a quick upper hand by targeting one of us with a lump of coal during the day, then getting their kill in tonight? That’d guarantee a win if there are two Naughty Listers, and an easy third day for them if there’s only one.” Yes, I am wondering what’s going on. With such as small number of us I wouldn’t be surprised if a blocker/protector (if we have one) got the correct target. With a small setup I do also wander if a recruitment took place last night and there are now two naughty listers.
Classic_Spaceman Posted December 10, 2024 Posted December 10, 2024 2 hours ago, Tariq j said: Yes, I am wondering what’s going on. With such as small number of us I wouldn’t be surprised if a blocker/protector (if we have one) got the correct target. “A protector and a killer in such a small group? It’s possible, but it’d be a hell of a coincidence if they managed to cancel each other out!” “Following this line, though, who do you think they could be? Eloise claimed to be a vanilla Nice Lister, so if we’ve got a protector, then who do you think it is?” 2 hours ago, Tariq j said: With a small setup I do also wander if a recruitment took place last night and there are now two naughty listers. “A recruitment? Tell me more - I’m not familiar with that possibility.” “If that’s the case, though, we’ve got to move fast - One more recruitment or a Nice List death, and it’s over for us!”
mostlytechnic Posted December 10, 2024 Posted December 10, 2024 3 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said: “So I’m wondering, what’s the Naughty Listers’ - or Naughty Lister’s - strategy here? Woo, first, gotta appreciate how George has clearly been paying good attention in our grammar class. Our teacher would be so proud.... Second, glad to still be here. It was a crazy evening of day 1 for me [aka the weekend] but still, sorry I wasn't around. Third.... not surprised by everyone surviving. Good chance we don't have a vig, or they've got limited use of their kill. And even if last night was a night able to use it, I wouldn't have if I was them. With so few people and nothing to go on, it's not worth the risk. 20% chance of killing the scum? That's not great and hard to justify risking knocking off a quarter of the town for. And similarly, good chance the scum have limited kill ability and/or got blocked somehow. 3 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said: “A recruitment? Tell me more - I’m not familiar with that possibility.” “If that’s the case, though, we’ve got to move fast - One more recruitment or a Nice List death, and it’s over for us!” Sometimes the Naughty have the ability to recruit. Instead of outright killing, they can convert a Nice Lister to a Naughty. That doesn't seem likely to me with such a small group though, since it adds a Naughty AND eliminates a Nice at the same time, so it's a bigger swing.
Classic_Spaceman Posted December 10, 2024 Posted December 10, 2024 21 minutes ago, mostlytechnic said: Good chance we don't have a vig, or they've got limited use of their kill. “I agree - Too many killers, and we’d all be dead in a day or two! And even if the kills are a one-off, that’d basically give a win to whichever side is in the lead at that point - Unless it’s a way to even the odds in such a small group. . . Both sides hold out until they really need to use it?” 24 minutes ago, mostlytechnic said: Sometimes the Naughty have the ability to recruit. Instead of outright killing, they can convert a Nice Lister to a Naughty. “That’s a scary thought! What if they recruit a role - If we’ve got a protector, and they’re not a one-off, then does the Naughty List get to use them if they get recruited?” “By the way, you never said what you wanted for Christmas. Let’s not lose sight of what’s really at stake here - Presents!!”
Bob Posted December 11, 2024 Posted December 11, 2024 8 hours ago, Tariq j said: I apologise for my late vote - I typed the comment but didn’t hit post until later at which point our host had already ended the day. That being said my reasoning and option still stand. I’m wondering why Clark called out myself instead of Susan when he only made one fluff post. I had to vote for someone and it seemed like a good enough reason. I'm wondering why you're so aggrieved by a day one vote. At any rate, we need to be careful today. With all the non-voters yesterday, it could be very easy for the naughty scum to jump on and lynch someone that's not so active that has a penalty vote already. 7 hours ago, Tariq j said: Yes, I am wondering what’s going on. With such as small number of us I wouldn’t be surprised if a blocker/protector (if we have one) got the correct target. With a small setup I do also wander if a recruitment took place last night and there are now two naughty listers. This is a good theory considering there wasn't a kill last night. Nevertheless, in a game of five people, if there was a conversion, one wrong lynch today and the game is over. I think it's possible that there's only one scum still and they might have been thwarted last night. There could have been a block, or a protect, or a bulletproof vest, or any other number of things.
Trekkie99 Posted December 11, 2024 Posted December 11, 2024 Maybe the quiet solidarity of yesterday melted their hearts, and they wished for no more harm? Naaahhhhhhh!
Tariq j Posted December 11, 2024 Posted December 11, 2024 11 hours ago, Bob said: I had to vote for someone and it seemed like a good enough reason. I'm wondering why you're so aggrieved by a day one vote. At any rate, we need to be careful today. With all the non-voters yesterday, it could be very easy for the naughty scum to jump on and lynch someone that's not so active that has a penalty vote already. Apologies, I wasn’t aggrieved by it so much but rather just wanted to provide a justification for my vote. 16 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said: “A recruitment? Tell me more - I’m not familiar with that possibility.” “If that’s the case, though, we’ve got to move fast - One more recruitment or a Nice List death, and it’s over for us!” A recruitment essentially means a naughty lister recruits/converts someone on the good list to the naughty list. If the naughty lister did have a recruitment action I imagine it would be one shot as the game would be over pretty quickly in a game this size. Clark is also correct though - there are so many different possibilities that could’ve happened last we can’t be sure of a recruitment.
Trekkie99 Posted December 11, 2024 Posted December 11, 2024 Cult would be pretty appropriate and funny for a bunch of kids. Maybe even nights only?
Tariq j Posted December 11, 2024 Posted December 11, 2024 16 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said: “A protector and a killer in such a small group? It’s possible, but it’d be a hell of a coincidence if they managed to cancel each other out!” It wouldn’t be too improbable. I’m sure there have been larger games where the killer and protector have targeted the same player. 6 minutes ago, Trekkie99 said: Cult would be pretty appropriate and funny for a bunch of kids. Maybe even nights only? This could also be a good theory. 16 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said: “By the way, you never said what you wanted for Christmas. Let’s not lose sight of what’s really at stake here - Presents!!” And a good Christmas dinner!
KotZ Posted December 11, 2024 Author Posted December 11, 2024 Voting is now open There are 47 hours left in the day. VOTE COUNT George (Classic_Spaceman) - 1 (penalty) Susan (mostlytechnic) - 1 (penalty) Scott (Tariq J) - 1 (penalty)
Trekkie99 Posted December 11, 2024 Posted December 11, 2024 It would be fun. Not for scum though who have to come up with a role on short notice so I'd feel a little bad.
Classic_Spaceman Posted December 11, 2024 Posted December 11, 2024 6 hours ago, Tariq j said: A recruitment essentially means a naughty lister recruits/converts someone on the good list to the naughty list. If the naughty lister did have a recruitment action I imagine it would be one shot as the game would be over pretty quickly in a game this size. “Whoever stole the presents also stole the Naughty and Nice List, so it’s possible they could’ve switched some names around; you're right, though, that recruitment - if the Naughty List has it - would have to be a one-off.” “I’m wondering, just generally, why anyone with a one-shot role would use it on the first night. Put yourself in the shoes of a Naughty Lister for a minute - Would you kill on the first night, or would you save that ace for later on, when you can even the odds if you’re close to being caught?” “Same thing goes for a protector - Would you use that on the first night when we don’t know anyone’s alignment, or would you wait until you see a presumed Nice Lister being harassed by suspected Naughty Listers during the day?” “I think we’re chasing our tails here, trying to explain why no one died last night. The real answer may be the one we’re overlooking because it seems too simple - No one used their actions last night.”
Classic_Spaceman Posted December 11, 2024 Posted December 11, 2024 18 hours ago, Bob said: With all the non-voters yesterday, it could be very easy for the naughty scum to jump on and lynch someone that's not so active that has a penalty vote already. “That’s exactly what I thought the Naughty List was going to do today - Frame one of the Nice Listers who has a penalty vote, then try to get enough others to gang up on them that they get lynched. So far, we’ve not seen that, though; I’m wondering if the Naughty List thought that’d be too obvious, since whoever starts the bandwagon is immediately suspect. Maybe they’re waiting for a Nice Lister to start it, so whichever way the rest of us vote, the Naughty List gets their kill.”
Tariq j Posted December 11, 2024 Posted December 11, 2024 1 hour ago, Trekkie99 said: It would be fun. Not for scum though who have to come up with a role on short notice so I'd feel a little bad. Don’t feel bad for the naught listers! They’ve taken our toys. 2 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said: “Whoever stole the presents also stole the Naughty and Nice List, so it’s possible they could’ve switched some names around; you're right, though, that recruitment - if the Naughty List has it - would have to be a one-off.” No one used their actions last night.” Possibly yes. Last Christmas I was given a wonderful book that could help us in situations like this. Truth is there are so many different setups that could work I don’t know.
Trekkie99 Posted December 12, 2024 Posted December 12, 2024 4 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said: No one used their actions last night. Did this recently on MafiaScum and it threw everyone for a little bit of a loop. Vote: George (Classic_Spaceman) Still up for that mass claim. I bet there's very few PRs.
Classic_Spaceman Posted December 12, 2024 Posted December 12, 2024 18 minutes ago, Trekkie99 said: Vote: George (Classic_Spaceman) "Do you have a particular reason for voting for me?" "Anyway, I'd like to hear more from Susan and Clark - They've been pretty quiet today."
Bob Posted December 12, 2024 Posted December 12, 2024 1 hour ago, Classic_Spaceman said: "Anyway, I'd like to hear more from Susan and Clark - They've been pretty quiet today." Hello! I'm not entirely sure who to vote for today yet, but I will again caution against people jumping onto a bandwagon with one of the people that has a penalty vote. 1 hour ago, Trekkie99 said: Vote: George (Classic_Spaceman) Like this.
Tariq j Posted December 12, 2024 Posted December 12, 2024 7 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said: "Do you have a particular reason for voting for me?" "Anyway, I'd like to hear more from Susan and Clark - They've been pretty quiet today." Yes, I’d also be interested to know what Eloise’s reasoning is.
Trekkie99 Posted December 12, 2024 Posted December 12, 2024 14 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said: No one used their actions last night. 10 hours ago, Trekkie99 said: Did this recently on MafiaScum and it threw everyone for a little bit of a loop. This is my reasoning. I was waiting for someone to suggest the simplest possibility cause it might indicate them having some foreknowledge.
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