Holiday Madness Mafia: Day 3

[KotZ]

Yesterday, after the vote, Santa gathered the little ones to see what they had decided.

"YOU WHAT??" Santa bellowed. "You all did not lynch again? What in the world is this!?!"

He then paused and took a breath, "Breathe, papa, breathe. Remember your cholesterol." Then Santa looked at each little child in the eye. "Fine. Good night."

That night, Scott was on his way back to the orphanage, waiting at the tram station.  But then...

A mysterious figure arrived.

"Say, shouldn't you be Christmas themed?" Scott asked the figure.

"Look, the magic hand in the sky (Kotz) didn't have a snowman figure lying around to be me. And FABULAND had to be involved somehow. This is Eurobricks Christmastown after all."

"Oh. Well I suppose that makes sense." Scott stared at the object in the figure's hand. "So is that how it's gonna go?"

"Oh no," the figure said. "That will be Christmas themed."

"How so?"

"You remember that old trampoline in the backyard of the orphanage?"

Scott nodded.

"Well remove the 'poline' part and..."

THUNK! was the sound Scott's body made as the figure pushed him in front of the oncoming tram. With that, poor little Scott passed on.

Elsewhere in Christmastown...

"Ho ho no that milk isn't sitting well with me..." Santa moaned. "Wait, what's' this? Some-"

"BODY ONCE TOLD ME!" Shrek Santa shouted as he kicked open the door of the outhouse.

As the day began, Santa gathered the children around the trampled body of Scott. "It is with a heavy heart, Scott is dead. After searching his personal affects, I have learned that he was on the Nice List."

Murmurs spread through the four children still left. What was Santa holding? "Oh this? I found this this morning. Someone must have slipped it to me or left it in the outhouse. It's part of the Naughty and Nice list!"

Even more whispers. Could this game nightmare be over? Of course not!

"This here is only part of the list, sadly," Santa said. "It only has one name. It looks like is says... Susan (mostlytechnic) is on... after the break... the Naughty List."

Santa paused. "Well, I'm going back to my sleigh..."

 

Players (4)

Clark (Bob)

George (Classic_Spaceman)

Susan (mostlytechnic)

Eloise (Trekkie99)

The Dead (1)

Scott (Tariq J) - Nice List, killed Night 2 by an oncoming tram.

The Rules

1. Each player will be given a character to play, who will be aligned with either the Nice List (Town) or the Naughty List (Scum). To win the game, the Town must kill off all the Scum, while the Scum needs to outnumber the Town. Third-party (neutral) characters have their own win conditions as outlined in their roles.

2. Each day you will be able to vote to lynch a player.  Voting is mandatory. Voting should be done in the following format; Vote: Character (Player). Similarly, unvoting is to be done in the format; Unvote: Character (Player).  No other format will be accepted. A majority vote is required to lynch a player. Failure to vote will incur a 2-vote penalty the following game day.

3. A game day will last a maximum of 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. The day will end when a majority vote has been reached after 72 hours. After the day has been concluded, a night stage will commence, which will last 48 hours. Night actions must be sent to the host in the first 20 hours of the night stage.

3.5. Players may not target the same player two nights in a row, and may not target themselves.

4. The alignment of lynched players, as well as those that died during the night, will be revealed at the beginning of the next day.

5. You may not quote or pretend to quote anything sent to or from you in PM with the game host, or in PM with any other players. This includes all the details of your character and role, as well as any night action results. Role claims and reporting of night action results are acceptable, but in your own words only. Do not attempt to use the structure of your role PM to your advantage.

6. Do not play the game outside the thread. Similarly, do not post out of character inside the thread. Game tactics and roles may only be discussed in the game thread or via PM with other players. Private discussion is done at your own risk and should be treated as part of the game.

7. If you are dead, you may not post in thread or discuss the game with any of the players. Any information you had becomes void, and may not be passed on.

8. You may not edit your posts.

9. You must post in every day thread. 

10. If you encounter a problem or have a question, please contact the host via PM.

11. Violation of any of the above rules will result in a 5 vote penalty for the first offence, and death on your second offence.

12. There are no hints or clues in the day/night images.

 

[Trekkie99]

Wha? Susan is on the naughty list??? Announcing investigator??? 

Framer???

Four of us left. Night kill. Definitely only one scum right? Also no cult? 

[Classic_Spaceman]

“So, Susan’s a Naughty Lister after all. . . I had hunch she was, but what does that make Eloise? If the Naughties need to outnumber the Nice Listers, there still may be two of them. We’ll see; Susan is the obvious lynch candidate for today, so we’ll see tomorrow if there’s another Naughty Lister around.” 
 

1 hour ago, Trekkie99 said:

Framer???

“Framer?” 
 

[KotZ]

Voting is open. With four players, a majority of three is required to lynch. There are 47 hours left in the day.

[Bob]

I think this is a pretty obvious lynch...

Vote: Susan (mostlytechnic)

There must be some strange power role at play here that's announcing scum. 

[Classic_Spaceman]

“We’re pretty quiet today! Eloise, what did you mean by a ‘framer’?” 
“Oh, and Vote: Susan (mostlytechnic), obviously!” 
 

[mostlytechnic]

Seriously, I got targeted by both a publishing cop AND a framer in the same night? That's the only way I can come up with for what happened. I mean, I guess I was a logical target for both sides to look at after yesterday, but still.... and what a power combo to have in the game. It makes sense from a gameplay design position, it's just since I didn't know those were out there I drew too much attention to myself. 

I'm not Naughty. I'm on the Nice list, but I don't know how to prove that other than by my lynching tonight. I'll do my best though since that's what Nice Listers do. I'm an odd-night Nice Reporter. I can target someone and see if they go out at night. On night 1, I watched Clark and he did not go out.

I do think some of you (ahem, Eloise...) are wrong. There's 2 scum. There'd have to be, for them to kill someone AND frame me in the same night. So if the game started out 3 Nice and 2 Naughty, we're now at 2 and 2, so we cannot afford any mistake or they'll outnumber us. Lynching me gives them the win. 

Here's what I suspect. With 2 naughty, that'd be way overpowered normally, so I bet they have even night kills. Therefore, noone died night 1. I've got an alternating night ability too. We didn't get a cop report from night 1, so I bet whoever has that role has alternating nights too.

(in case anyone isn't familiar with less-common roles in this game.... a framer can make someone appear to be scum when they're actually town. It's usually not a very powerful scum ability, since you have to target someone with it AND the town cop target the same person, so it's not a very common role. In a small game where there's higher odds of the scum guessing who a town cop would want to investigate, it makes more sense. And a publishing cop is a special variation where the result gets announced to the whole game like we saw here. Someone said it was an announcing cop, but that's actually one where just the person investigated is told they were looked at)

And while I'm still able, I will

Vote: Eloise (Trekkie99)

I think you're talking a lot and making misleading suggestions. Insisting still there can only be 1 naughty. Wanting a mass claim from the beginning. Suggesting cults in a tiny game where they would make no sense. Claiming vanilla townie right at the start to attract actual townies to target her so the scummos could find our power roles. 

[Trekkie99]

I didn't suggest cult.

[Classic_Spaceman]

2 minutes ago, Trekkie99 said:

I didn't suggest cult.

“Yeah, you did - Early in Day 2.” 
 

[Classic_Spaceman]

16 minutes ago, mostlytechnic said:

Seriously, I got targeted by both a publishing cop AND a framer in the same night? That's the only way I can come up with for what happened. I mean, I guess I was a logical target for both sides to look at after yesterday, but still.... and what a power combo to have in the game. It makes sense from a gameplay design position, it's just since I didn't know those were out there I drew too much attention to myself. 

“Alright, I’ve had suspicions about you since late yesterday, but let’s say you’re right - Why were you acting suspicious yesterday? Your little argument with Eloise felt staged, and you suggested that letting a Naughty Lister switch votes late in the day to lynch a Nice would be useful, since it would tell us the flipper was Naughty.” 

28 minutes ago, mostlytechnic said:

I'm not Naughty. I'm on the Nice list, but I don't know how to prove that other than by my lynching tonight. I'll do my best though since that's what Nice Listers do. I'm an odd-night Nice Reporter. I can target someone and see if they go out at night. On night 1, I watched Clark and he did not go out.

“An odd-night reporter? That seems a little. . . odd to me; in a group this small, that’s not particularly useful - And it sounds like something you’d make up after the fact to fit what already happened.” 

33 minutes ago, mostlytechnic said:

I do think some of you (ahem, Eloise...) are wrong. There's 2 scum. There'd have to be, for them to kill someone AND frame me in the same night. So if the game started out 3 Nice and 2 Naughty, we're now at 2 and 2, so we cannot afford any mistake or they'll outnumber us. Lynching me gives them the win. 

“I actually do agree that there are two Naughties, but I think we wouldn’t agree on who those two are. . .” 
“I don’t think lynching you gives them the win, but I’ll play along - Who do you think we should lynch today? Eloise?” 

36 minutes ago, mostlytechnic said:

Here's what I suspect. With 2 naughty, that'd be way overpowered normally, so I bet they have even night kills. Therefore, noone died night 1. I've got an alternating night ability too. We didn't get a cop report from night 1, so I bet whoever has that role has alternating nights too.

“I’ve got it on very good authority that the publish cop is a one-off, so I’m doubting the whole alternating-nights thing - I think the Naughty killer is also a one-off.” 

[Classic_Spaceman]

46 minutes ago, mostlytechnic said:

And while I'm still able, I will

Vote: Eloise (Trekkie99)

I think you're talking a lot and making misleading suggestions. Insisting still there can only be 1 naughty. Wanting a mass claim from the beginning. Suggesting cults in a tiny game where they would make no sense. Claiming vanilla townie right at the start to attract actual townies to target her so the scummos could find our power roles. 

“Oh, I absolutely agree with your assessment of Eloise - But that doesn’t mean I trust you. I’m willing to play along, though, since I don’t think the Naughties have a second kill available. Even if they’ve got some alternating thing going on to keep them from being overpowered, we would’ve seen a kill on Night 1 - The strat would be to kill on the first night, try to lynch a Nice on the second day, and then kill again on the second night. I don’t see a reason to save a kill if two are available, especially since they’d be risking getting one of their killers lynched before they can use their kill.” 
“That being said, I don’t know whether the Naughty List has a second role - I know the Nice List has at least one, but we don’t know if Scott was just vanilla or not.” 
 

[mostlytechnic]

1 hour ago, Trekkie99 said:

I didn't suggest cult.

You also mentioned it again at the beginning of today, when you asked "also no cult?" Why keep bringing it up without any discussion on it? And by that, I mean why bring it up when you don't have anything to say about it? 

28 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

“Alright, I’ve had suspicions about you since late yesterday, but let’s say you’re right - Why were you acting suspicious yesterday? Your little argument with Eloise felt staged, and you suggested that letting a Naughty Lister switch votes late in the day to lynch a Nice would be useful, since it would tell us the flipper was Naughty.” 

“An odd-night reporter? That seems a little. . . odd to me; in a group this small, that’s not particularly useful - And it sounds like something you’d make up after the fact to fit what already happened.” 

“I actually do agree that there are two Naughties, but I think we wouldn’t agree on who those two are. . .” 
“I don’t think lynching you gives them the win, but I’ll play along - Who do you think we should lynch today? Eloise?” 

“I’ve got it on very good authority that the publish cop is a one-off, so I’m doubting the whole alternating-nights thing - I think the Naughty killer is also a one-off.” 

I wasn't *trying* to act suspicious - I was having a conversation that went sorta off the rails a bit, but nothing major imho. And I didn't say I wanted a late flip to lynch one of us. I did NOT want a lynch at all with such a small group and little to go on, but I said that IF it happened it'd at least reveal a likely Naughty to us. Finding the silver lining.

Based on the fact that I'm an odd-night reporter, I assume there's quite a few roles out there for me to potentially catch someone using. It's not super powerful though since it's A. only odd nights and B. just tells me if someone went out, not what they're doing or what their alignment is. It can hint at it (i.e. if I saw someone go out and someone died, there's a chance the person I saw was the naughty killer but not necessarily). I've assumed all along that there's quite a few mild abilities around, but that's just my assumption based on the role I got. 

And I think I'm pretty clear on who I think should be lynched today - I made my vote already and put my reasons with it!

So, I'm assuming here you're our publishing cop. Sorry your ability got wasted thanks to a framer :( But just because that was a one time use doesn't mean everything is. It still fits my assumption that there's quite a few abilities around but they're probably all limited use in some way, either alternating nights or X number of uses. Also fits that no one died night 1 if the Naughty kill is likewise limited. Anyone out there have a protective or blocking role that stopped a night 1 kill? 

13 minutes ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

“Oh, I absolutely agree with your assessment of Eloise - But that doesn’t mean I trust you. I’m willing to play along, though, since I don’t think the Naughties have a second kill available. Even if they’ve got some alternating thing going on to keep them from being overpowered, we would’ve seen a kill on Night 1 - The strat would be to kill on the first night, try to lynch a Nice on the second day, and then kill again on the second night. I don’t see a reason to save a kill if two are available, especially since they’d be risking getting one of their killers lynched before they can use their kill.” 
“That being said, I don’t know whether the Naughty List has a second role - I know the Nice List has at least one, but we don’t know if Scott was just vanilla or not.” 
 

Why would alternating kill have meant we'd have seen one night 1? We DID see one night 2, so that's why I said I'm guessing they have even night kill ability. You're stuck on assuming that they have X number of kills since your role was one time use. Yes, if the scum could have killed night 1 they would have. So either they were not allowed (such as even night kill only) or they were stopped via a block/protect ability. There's a slim chance that a scum team with only 1 or 2 night kills to use would wait, especially after we had such a quiet day 1, hoping something interesting would happen day 2 to lead to a lynch so they could kill someone also and get a quick win if there's 2 of them. If there's 2 naughties, they wouldn't need to kill 2 nights plus get a lynch to win - just 2 of us nices dead means they win. 

[Trekkie99]

NO

Scott (Tariq J) suggested it first. And I said no cult this morning because there was a night kill.

Vote: Susan (mostlytechnic)

9 hours ago, mostlytechnic said:

There'd have to be, for them to kill someone AND frame me in the same night.

Factional kill is not a PR. There could be a kill and a PR.

[mostlytechnic]

1 hour ago, Trekkie99 said:

Factional kill is not a PR. There could be a kill and a PR.

Depends on what town you're scumhunting in.... here in Christmastown and all the previous hunts I've been in around here, the naughty kill essentially counts as a PR almost all the time. I've definitely been on the bad side before where we had to pick abilities to lose as scum were caught so that the kill was just from a single player as their role (so if the scum killer was caught, the kill ability moved to a different scum and that scum lost their other ability). It's not 100%, but that's the norm around here. 

[Bob]

9 hours ago, Trekkie99 said:

NO

Scott (Tariq J) suggested it first. And I said no cult this morning because there was a night kill.

Vote: Susan (mostlytechnic)

Factional kill is not a PR. There could be a kill and a PR.

Why did it take you so long to vote for Susan? 

[KotZ]

Vote Count
Susan (mostlytechnic) - 3 (Bob, Classic_Spaceman, Trekkie99)
Eloise (Trekkie99) - 1 (mostlytechnic)

With four players, a majority of three is required to lynch. There are 24 hours left in the day.

[Trekkie99]

15 hours ago, Bob said:

Why did it take you so long to vote for Susan? 

Forgot lol.

GG scum if there is two scum.

Or if Susan is scum for some reason.

*isn't

[mostlytechnic]

So you're acknowledging that if I'm not scum, we're going to lose. But yet you're still voting for me? Feels pretty naughty to me!

[Trekkie99]

If you're not scum I'm getting voted.

If there's two scum I'm getting voted.

Ergo gg scum.

11 minutes ago, mostlytechnic said:

But yet you're still voting for me?

Why would I not? 

[Classic_Spaceman]

On 12/16/2024 at 10:29 PM, mostlytechnic said:

Based on the fact that I'm an odd-night reporter, I assume there's quite a few roles out there for me to potentially catch someone using. It's not super powerful though since it's A. only odd nights and B. just tells me if someone went out, not what they're doing or what their alignment is. It can hint at it (i.e. if I saw someone go out and someone died, there's a chance the person I saw was the naughty killer but not necessarily). I've assumed all along that there's quite a few mild abilities around, but that's just my assumption based on the role I got. 

On 12/16/2024 at 10:29 PM, mostlytechnic said:

So, I'm assuming here you're our publishing cop. Sorry your ability got wasted thanks to a framer :( But just because that was a one time use doesn't mean everything is. It still fits my assumption that there's quite a few abilities around but they're probably all limited use in some way, either alternating nights or X number of uses. Also fits that no one died night 1 if the Naughty kill is likewise limited. Anyone out there have a protective or blocking role that stopped a night 1 kill? 

"Alright, I'll give you a chance; Eloise is absolutely on the Naughty List, so the question is just whether you are too, or you were just framed. We'll see if anyone goes out tonight, and reassess the situation tomorrow. I'll Unvote: Susan (mostlytechnic) and Vote: Eloise (Trekkie99)." 
 

On 12/16/2024 at 10:29 PM, mostlytechnic said:

Why would alternating kill have meant we'd have seen one night 1? We DID see one night 2, so that's why I said I'm guessing they have even night kill ability. You're stuck on assuming that they have X number of kills since your role was one time use. Yes, if the scum could have killed night 1 they would have. So either they were not allowed (such as even night kill only) or they were stopped via a block/protect ability. There's a slim chance that a scum team with only 1 or 2 night kills to use would wait, especially after we had such a quiet day 1, hoping something interesting would happen day 2 to lead to a lynch so they could kill someone also and get a quick win if there's 2 of them. If there's 2 naughties, they wouldn't need to kill 2 nights plus get a lynch to win - just 2 of us nices dead means they win. 

"My thinking is that if the Naughty List has two kills available - either as one-offs or alternating - then they wouldn't have waited. Basically, they're outnumbered either four-to-one or three-to-two, with the three-two breakdown being more likely, so getting a kill on the first night puts them at two-two going into the second day; all the Naughties need then is a lynch of a Nice Lister, or no lynch at all plus a kill on the second night, to win. Waiting to use their kills is risky, since one of the Naughties could be lynched before they can kill, and there's no strategic benefit in it." 
"The only way I can see the Naughty List having two kills is if we have a blocker who guessed the right person to protect on the first night!" 
 

3 hours ago, Trekkie99 said:

GG scum if there is two scum.

Or if Susan is scum for some reason.

*isn't

"How's that? If Susan's on the Naughty List, then lynching her brings us to a two-to-one ratio of Nice and Naughty - Same goes if we lynch you, by the way!" 
 

27 minutes ago, Trekkie99 said:

If you're not scum I'm getting voted.

If there's two scum I'm getting voted.

Ergo gg scum.

"Right, but that's assuming you're not Naughty, which you clearly are!" 

28 minutes ago, Trekkie99 said:

Why would I not? 

"You could vote for whoever you think is a Naughty, instead of just joining a bandwagon on someone who may have been framed!" 
 

[Trekkie99]

[Classic_Spaceman]

19 minutes ago, Trekkie99 said:

"What's that supposed to mean??" 
 

[Trekkie99]

Unvote: Susan (mostlytechnic)

Vote: Eloise (Trekkie99)

[Classic_Spaceman]

10 minutes ago, Trekkie99 said:

Unvote: Susan (mostlytechnic)

Vote: Eloise (Trekkie99)

"Um, are you sure we can vote for ourselves?" 
 

[Trekkie99]

Classic Spaceman backing off mostlytechnic is veeeeeeery sus with the possibility of a even night NK. If there's two scum then we're screwed even if we get scum!mostlytechnic since I'll probably be next. So my only hope is that there's one scum and we have to get them before the next even night NK. 

Maybe I'm an idiot but how could there possibly be two scum RN? It would just be a voting stalemate till scum use a NK. Doesn't a role pm usually say scum win when they outnumber the town or if nothing can prevent this from happening?