City '09?

[metalandi]

Well, in my hometown there is an old museum-steamline that goes from here through a couple other villages, approx. 15 km long.

But i think "locomotive" hasn't got to mean it's a steam engine, since electric engines are also called locomotives.

[Pierre_Cochereau]

I would absolutely love a re-release of 6399, and I sure hope you're on to something there, Klaus-Dieter. I own five 6399 sets (the first I bought – or rather, my parents bought it for me – when it came out in 1990; the second I got two or three years ago on eBay for about 120 Euros – which isn't that bad if you consider some 6399 sets selling for about $ 1,000 on eBay which I have seen myself, believe it or not; the other three followed subsequently). But I would happily buy two or three more sets if they were to be re-released, for expansion purposes, especially if TLG would also re-release the additional track expansion set 6347 which includes points. If you think about it, this would be a huge source of income for TLG: If you look on eBay and see a 6399 offer every now and then and look at the prices what they sell for, you can clearly see that people are willing (maybe not completely happy but willing nevertheless) to pay the big bucks for such a set. So why not make it a Lego Legend like they did a few years ago with the 4558 Metroliner which was re-released as 10001? Why not make it an official re-release by TLG and selling it for a reasonable (i.e. less than people pay on eBay) price, maybe $120-150 – then the money would go directly to TLG, instead of paying $ 400-900 to a private seller?

Personally, I'd rather have a re-release of 6399 than a completely different version of a similar concept. Sure, you shouldn't always daydream about the "the olden days" or the Golden Age of Lego, as some would have it. But I think in this case, it has nothing to do with nostalgia only – 6399 was a commercial success, as you can still see today when people are paying insanely high prices just to get their hands on one of these sets. It also fits in perfectly with either an "old" town layout as well as with a "newer" one (in terms of ratio and studs etc.). From a practical point of view, it would be entirely possible to re-release 6399 as a Legend as the molds needed to make the special parts for such a set will most likely still exist – you can see this most clearly when looking at the re-release of 6390 which came out as 10041 Main Street in 2003: In that re-release, they once again used the old original road plates that were used in the original set although in the meantime, i.e. between 1980 and 2003, there had been several other generations of road plates – I believe, four in total. My point is: Once a part or piece has been used in a set, no matter when this set was released, it must be possible to re-use that same piece again, even if the re-release of the original set happens ten, fifteen, or even twenty years later.

So why not having a re-release of 6399 – even with some minor alterations, if absolutely necessary? I know this has been something that AFOLs have often been dreaming and talking about.

I really hope that you are on to something, Klaus-Dieter.

Edited April 4, 2009 by Pierre_Cochereau

[frogstudio]

I would absolutely love a re-release of 6399, and I sure hope you're on to something there, Klaus-Dieter. I own two 6399 sets (the first I bought – or rather, my parents bought it for me – when it came out in 1990; the second I got two or three years ago on eBay for about 120 Euros – which isn't that bad if you consider some 6399 sets selling for about $ 1,000 on eBay which I have seen myself, believe it or not). But I would happily buy two or three more sets if they were to be re-released, for expansion purposes, especially if TLG would also re-release the additional track expansion set 6347 which includes points. If you think about it, this would be a huge source of income for TLG: If you look on eBay and see a 6399 offer every now and then and look at the prices what they sell for, you can clearly see that people are willing (maybe not completely happy but willing nevertheless) to pay the big bucks for such a set. So why not make it a Lego Legend like they did a few years ago with the 4558 Metroliner which was re-released as 10001? Why not make it an official re-release by TLG and selling it for a reasonable (i.e. less than people pay on eBay) price, maybe $120-150 – then the money would go directly to TLG, instead of paying $ 400-900 to a private seller?

Personally, I'd rather have a re-release of 6399 than a completely different version of a similar concept. Sure, you shouldn't always daydream about the "the olden days" or the Golden Age of Lego, as some would have it. But I think in this case, it has nothing to do with nostalgia only – 6399 was a commercial success, as you can still see today when people are paying insanely high prices just to get their hands on one of these sets. It also fits in perfectly with either an "old" town layout as well as with a "newer" one (in terms of ratio and studs etc.). From a practical point of view, it would be entirely possible to re-release 6399 as a Legend as the molds needed to make the special parts for such a set will most likely still exist – you can see this most clearly when looking at the re-release of 6390 which came out as 10041 Main Street in 2003: In that re-release, they once again used the old original road plates that were used in the original set although in the meantime, i.e. between 1980 and 2003, there had been several other generations of road plates – I believe, four in total. My point is: Once a part or piece has been used in a set, no matter when this set was released, it must be possible to re-use that same piece again, even if the re-release of the original set happens ten, fifteen, or even twenty years later.

So why not having a re-release of 6399 – even with some minor alterations, if absolutely necessary? I know this has been something that AFOLs have often been dreaming and talking about.

I really hope that you are on to something, Klaus-Dieter.

Forget about it. As far as I know, the molds for the tracks were destroyed and that's why they will never be realesd again. Sorry.. :(

[Sir Dano]

Just to let you know, the track in the Temple of Doom set is only 4-wide, instead of 6-wide like the trains.

[phoinix]

Just to let you know, the track in the Temple of Doom set is only 4-wide, instead of 6-wide like the trains.

well they do seem to be 4 wide there.

but what if the new trucks are not solid and they are actually rubber long pieces that you can adjust any way you like either 4 or 6 wide.

maybe its the fact that they are rubber that allows them to move and go up and down so easily.

they seem to be stack on 2 by 6 thin bricks and not be solid parts.

if my speculation is right then maybe these are the new train trucks TLC has been making for the new train line.

[Klaus-Dieter]

Well, in my hometown there is an old museum-steamline that goes from here through a couple other villages, approx. 15 km long.

But i think "locomotive" hasn't got to mean it's a steam engine, since electric engines are also called locomotives.

Metalandi, I don't say that I want no steam engine. But a steam engine should be released in the line of a new Western theme. For City I wish modern trains.

But even if "locomotive" hasn't got to mean that it's a steam engine, it means that it'll be a locomotive. And isn't a locomotive different to a monorail?!

I would absolutely love a re-release of 6399, and I sure hope you're on to something there, Klaus-Dieter. I own two 6399 sets (the first I bought – or rather, my parents bought it for me – when it came out in 1990; the second I got two or three years ago on eBay for about 120 Euros – which isn't that bad if you consider some 6399 sets selling for about $ 1,000 on eBay which I have seen myself, believe it or not). But I would happily buy two or three more sets if they were to be re-released, for expansion purposes, especially if TLG would also re-release the additional track expansion set 6347 which includes points. If you think about it, this would be a huge source of income for TLG: If you look on eBay and see a 6399 offer every now and then and look at the prices what they sell for, you can clearly see that people are willing (maybe not completely happy but willing nevertheless) to pay the big bucks for such a set. So why not make it a Lego Legend like they did a few years ago with the 4558 Metroliner which was re-released as 10001? Why not make it an official re-release by TLG and selling it for a reasonable (i.e. less than people pay on eBay) price, maybe $120-150 – then the money would go directly to TLG, instead of paying $ 400-900 to a private seller?

Personally, I'd rather have a re-release of 6399 than a completely different version of a similar concept. Sure, you shouldn't always daydream about the "the olden days" or the Golden Age of Lego, as some would have it. But I think in this case, it has nothing to do with nostalgia only – 6399 was a commercial success, as you can still see today when people are paying insanely high prices just to get their hands on one of these sets. It also fits in perfectly with either an "old" town layout as well as with a "newer" one (in terms of ratio and studs etc.). From a practical point of view, it would be entirely possible to re-release 6399 as a Legend as the molds needed to make the special parts for such a set will most likely still exist – you can see this most clearly when looking at the re-release of 6390 which came out as 10041 Main Street in 2003: In that re-release, they once again used the old original road plates that were used in the original set although in the meantime, i.e. between 1980 and 2003, there had been several other generations of road plates – I believe, four in total. My point is: Once a part or piece has been used in a set, no matter when this set was released, it must be possible to re-use that same piece again, even if the re-release of the original set happens ten, fifteen, or even twenty years later.

So why not having a re-release of 6399 – even with some minor alterations, if absolutely necessary? I know this has been something that AFOLs have often been dreaming and talking about.

I really hope that you are on to something, Klaus-Dieter.

I unluckily have to agree with frogstudio, Pierre_Cochereau. The molds for the classic monorail don't exist any longer.

But if TLG releases a new monorail I'm sure - after having seen the pics of all the excellent summer City sets (and mainly the City Corner) - that they would make looking it totally amazing and even design it a bit in classic style. The only thing which we surely would miss are the high numbers of minifigs. But minifigs you can buy via PaB, customer's service or Ebay, too, so that's not that bad.

And I, too, think that it would be totally amazing if TLG releases something similar to 6399! It surely would be sold very, very well. I of course then would buy one set, too!

So let's hope!

Just to let you know, the track in the Temple of Doom set is only 4-wide, instead of 6-wide like the trains.

After my knockledge tracks always have been 4 stucks wide and not 6 stuck wide, sir dano.

Six stuck wide would mean that we'd get 8 stuck wide trains - and that wouldn't look that good, don't you agree?!

Klaus-Dieter

[eti]

Eurobricks frontpage talks about farm sets on the Toys 'r us website. I think this is U.S. only? Our (Holland) Toys 'r Us website doesn't even have a webshop, let alone mention Lego...

[giorgio]

After my knockledge tracks always have been 4 stucks wide and not 6 stuck wide, sir dano.

Six stuck wide would mean that we'd get 8 stuck wide trains - and that wouldn't look that good, don't you agree?!

Klaus-Dieter

Lego train tracks have always been 6 sticks wide and, as far as I know, it will still be 6 stucks.

The monrail was 4 stucks wide and it seems to me that The Temple of Doom is also 4 !

[Klaus-Dieter]

Lego train tracks have always been 6 sticks wide and, as far as I know, it will still be 6 stucks.

The monrail was 4 stucks wide and it seems to me that The Temple of Doom is also 4 !

I'm very sorry, giorgio!

I really didn't look carefully enough to the pic of the Temple of Doom set. So you're right: The tracks in this set are 4 stuck wide whereas the most tracks which were released until now were 6 stuck wide. Sorry to all for that confusion!

Do you then think that the new trains TLG will offer (not only this year's exclusive train set but even future train sets) will all run on 4 stuck wide tracks? I don't think so. On the other hand I'm a bit confused that TLG extra makes new molds for supposably only one set. Isn't that uneconomical?

Klaus-Dieter

[giorgio]

I'm very sorry, giorgio!

I really didn't look carefully enough to the pic of the Temple of Doom set. So you're right: The tracks in this set are 4 stuck wide whereas the most tracks which were released until now were 6 stuck wide. Sorry to all for that confusion!

Do you then think that the new trains TLG will offer (not only this year's exclusive train set but even future train sets) will all run on 4 stuck wide tracks? I don't think so. On the other hand I'm a bit confused that TLG extra makes new molds for supposably only one set. Isn't that uneconomical?

Klaus-Dieter

I think that the new trains will be 6 studs wide since it seems that they are goining to use the same tracks as the RC trains and that they have to be compatible with 9V and 12V trains.

Also, it will be not the first time that TLC make new molds for a new and unique set but it's possible that they are going to relase others sets with 4 stuck wide trucks.

[VBBN]

Oh yay! I must go order that new farm set indeed!

[Dr. Brick]

Though I would really love to see a new monorail or a re-release of 6399 (best set ever! ) I don't think it has anything to do with the Temple of Doom tracks for two reasons:

1. The hills are to steep for a proper train car to go up.

2. The hills don't have any grip. The hill tracks on the monorail have good grip on the cars using cogs.

~> these tracks haven't been made to go up, only to come down...

Dr. Brick

[Hinckley]

Eurobricks frontpage talks about farm sets on the Toys 'r us website. I think this is U.S. only? Our (Holland) Toys 'r Us website doesn't even have a webshop, let alone mention Lego...

It appears so. Sorry...

[Pierre_Cochereau]

As far as I know, the molds for the tracks were destroyed and that's why they will never be realesd again. Sorry.. :(

I unluckily have to agree with frogstudio, Pierre_Cochereau. The molds for the classic monorail don't exist any longer.

Well, you guys seem to know more about this than I do. Sad indeed.

However, I think one can still hope for TLG to release some sort of a city transit system which, as a public transportation system or some sort of commute, is not quite a train in the sense that it should be in the same line as the proper LEGO trains. I think that – having released only one such set ever (6399), or maybe two if you consider 7725 as being one such set, though it used the same track system and layout as all other 12V trains – this might be a concept that TLG designers should think about, seeing as it would fill the "gap" between cars, vans, buses etc. on the one hand, and "trains" properly speaking on the other hand.

Whether such a system – if released at all, that is – will use some sort of monorail or other track layout, we don't know. But unless there is some sort of "grip" system attached to the rails such as they appear in the Temple of Doom set, I don't think that we will see exactly these rails being used in a potential future city transit system, mainly for the same practical reasons which Dr. Brick already stated – the train, even if using PF and only consisting of two small cars (as in 6399), won't be able to climb the hill.

Edited February 1, 2009 by Pierre_Cochereau

[mandziarat]

Yesterday evening I had a lambency when I looked at the pic of the Temple of Doom.

Why?!

Edit by Hinckley: Please don't quote an entire post, especially long ones with pictures... Read the site guidelines

as quite sure and still am sure that we'll get a re-design of the Airport Shuttle - so let's see whether I'm right or wrong.

What do you think?

Klaus-Dieter

About the Indy pics, the top 4 look affordable!!!!!! Hopefully.

[Klaus-Dieter]

I think that the new trains will be 6 studs wide since it seems that they are goining to use the same tracks as the RC trains and that they have to be compatible with 9V and 12V trains.

Also, it will be not the first time that TLC make new molds for a new and unique set but it's possible that they are going to relase others sets with 4 stuck wide trucks.

You're right, giorgio!

Not very often in the City theme but often in the licensed themes TLG has been making molds which then were only used in this special set or perhaps only in one other set (only think about the parts for the Jabba minifig which were only used two times until now).

And I even think that TLG won't design 4 stud wide trains. At the moment - and I think that this will surely not be much different in the next years, too - TLG goes more into the direction of releasing big vehicles. So a 4 stud wide monorail is totally unrealistic to await.

Though I would really love to see a new monorail or a re-release of 6399 (best set ever! ) I don't think it has anything to do with the Temple of Doom tracks for two reasons:

1. The hills are to steep for a proper train car to go up.

2. The hills don't have any grip. The hill tracks on the monorail have good grip on the cars using cogs.

~> these tracks haven't been made to go up, only to come down...

Dr. Brick

I totally agree with you, too, Dr. Brick!

I already thought about whether it wouldn't be a too big grade for trains to go up these new tracks.

So the next time I'll look more closely at pics. Sorry to everybody!

Consequently the dream of a new monorail set is over! :cry_sad:

Klaus-Dieter

Edited February 1, 2009 by Klaus-Dieter

[paul_delahaye]

How potentially great is this new 4 wide track for a fairground roller coaster!

Paul

[Holodoc]

And I even think that TLG won't design 4 stud wide trains.

...

I already thought about whether it wouldn't be a too big grade for trains to go up these new tracks.

Both quotes have to be answered with "yes" - meaning there will be no 4-wide trains and no up/down tracks like the ones seen in IJ that will work with the new trains.

I´ll add the few pieces of information I know about the new trains later to be released this year.

TLC will use the old track geometry. That means you will still be able to run the waggons on the track without redesigning the track width. Of course you cannot run the 9V-motors on the track as the new track will be of plastic only. TLC spoke of the possibility to use new curved angels... We´ll have to wait how this is going to work out.

The new PF-train-motors will make use of a new rechargable power unit that will fit in a six-wide car.

As far as I know nothing is known already about the control unit. But I highly doubt TLC will use the "old" IR-remote controller of the sets 7897 and 7898. Rumours are that there will be more functions (lights, horns, etc.) within the PF than in the past.

The most interesting fact is, that TLC IS able to prevent pic leaks this time! We haven´t seen anything yet.

Nevertheless I´m eagerly awaiting the new sets.

[Pierre_Cochereau]

Thanks for the information on trains, Holodoc.

Rumours are that there will be more functions (lights, horns, etc.) within the PF than in the past.

Do you know more about such "rumors"? Is there a chance that we will see RC controlled points, signals, railroad crossings etc.? That would be

[Eilif]

Thanks for that Holodoc. Very usefull information, and a good counterpoint to the somewhat over-eager assuming that we all seem to engage in around here. I'm still a bit disapointed that they are going with an IR reciever that requires line of sight rather than a RC reciever, but it looks like they are making some other improvments in the system, so I'll withold judgement until I see the actual products.

As to the farm sets, $89 seems a bit steep for 609 pieces. I'm very much hoping that it is less expensive (as it usually is) at The LEGO Store. At Christmas time, the impulses were $5 at TRU, and $3.50 at LEGO. Regardless, I'm hoping to see the success and expansion of the farm line.

Edited February 2, 2009 by Eilif

[Joebot]

The most interesting fact is, that TLC IS able to prevent pic leaks this time! We haven´t seen anything yet.

This is the part that's driving me crazy!! I can't believe we haven't seen anything yet. When did TLC get good at keeping secrets???

[Klaus-Dieter]

Both quotes have to be answered with "yes" - meaning there will be no 4-wide trains and no up/down tracks like the ones seen in IJ that will work with the new trains.

I´ll add the few pieces of information I know about the new trains later to be released this year.

TLC will use the old track geometry. That means you will still be able to run the waggons on the track without redesigning the track width. Of course you cannot run the 9V-motors on the track as the new track will be of plastic only. TLC spoke of the possibility to use new curved angels... We´ll have to wait how this is going to work out.

The new PF-train-motors will make use of a new rechargable power unit that will fit in a six-wide car.

As far as I know nothing is known already about the control unit. But I highly doubt TLC will use the "old" IR-remote controller of the sets 7897 and 7898. Rumours are that there will be more functions (lights, horns, etc.) within the PF than in the past.

The most interesting fact is, that TLC IS able to prevent pic leaks this time! We haven´t seen anything yet.

Nevertheless I´m eagerly awaiting the new sets.

Thank you very much for that information, Holodoc!

I can't await to see pics of the new train set, too!

But since it'll be a S@H Exclusive I'm really not astonished that we haven't got pics yet. I mean: It's very supposable that TLG will release this train set after all the other City sets will have been come out - so in September/October. Because of this we can't await to see pics before late June or beginning of July - regrettably .

Klaus-Dieter

[Pierre_Cochereau]

It's very supposable that TLG will release this train set after all the other City sets will have been come out - so in September/October.

I'd agree. The then new RC trains (although not S@H exclusives) came out in September 2006 (or the last week of August), so I guess it won't be different with the new train sets. I can't wait nevertheless ...

Edited February 2, 2009 by Pierre_Cochereau

[KDog]

It looks like 7637 comes with the blue version of the Classic Space logo jacket!!! Can anyone confirm?

[sens1992]

7746 Single Drum Roller available from LEGO S@H Canada. It looks like 7634 Tractor, 7636 Combine Harvester and that same 7746 Single Drum Roller are up for sale on the Toys R Us Canada website.