Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles -- SPOILER ALERT !

[JimBee]

Oky Wan, here's my sypnosis on the episode, but don't read it unless you want to see it for yourself.

Basically, this episode revolves around this councilor guy whom treats Catherine Weaver's daughter. We find out that the daughter is in fact human, but thinks that the liquid terminator is her real mom. Her parents were actually killed by the liquid T-100, and then the terminator took up disquise as the girl's mother. The girl doesn't know about this, but is scared of her "mother's" cold attitude. After going to counciling, the girl becomes a lot more confident and happier, so to speak. The "mom" shows some signs of love towards the girl. Meanwhile, John also goes to the councilor because his name was on the wall written with blood (from a previous episode), and bugs it (with a transmitter). John shows signs of suicide, but it isn't confirmed. Also, Catherine Weaver is developing a learning machine secretly.

That's all I have for now, feel free to ask any questions!

[Oky]

Thanks, Jim, but I already found a way to watch it.

Man, that was a pretty good episode! Some awesome violence and some interesting insights! I now understand what the purpose of the changes that the red-haired terminator made in her company is: She is trying to boost the advances in the development of artificial intelligence! That makes a whole lot of sense if you think about it! If she would succeed in creating the ultimate A.I., SkyNet would be able to create much smarter terminators, thus making it impossible for the rebels to reprogram them and send them back in time to protect John and his mother. And with nothing to protect them, the Connors (along with the whole future rebellion) would be doomed!

Also, seeing as some of the newer terminators (like Cameron) tend to return to their old programing, SkyNet is already working on that problem in the future. This explains why the rebels sent back the old T-800 model to protect John from the much superior T-X during the rise of the machines: It was the only terminator model that was known to have ever been successfully completely reprogrammed. And that is probably also the reason why the T-X was given the ability to reprogram other terminators as well!

It all makes sense now!

I'm still not sure, though, why Catherine Weaver, the red-haired T-1000, is searching for other terminators at the same time. It could be to find Cameron, but why? To shut her down because she is believed to have been reprogrammed, or to find John through her? Somehow, I don't think that the T-1000 is after John; she has a different mission.

And I'm kind of confused about Cameron. I'm not sure I understood that episode where she lost her memory. Why did she loose it? And what are her true intentions? In that episode, she said that her mission was it to infiltrate the rebel base and kill John Connor, right? So, what happened? One theory would be that she got into the base, but was discovered somehow, reprogrammed, and sent to the past as a protector. That would mean that she is now reprogrammed, but returns to her evil programing occasionally. Another theory would be that she was not actually reprogrammed and is just pretending to have been reprogrammed as part of her mission.

Does anyone know the answer or have another idea?

Anyway, on a lighter note, I was quite delighted to see even more Lego in the last episode! Did you see that tower that the red-haired terminator supposedly made for her daughter? That was a pretty good MOC! I seriously wonder who really made it. Either there really are AFOLs among the crew members, or they got some to make it for them. Or they got help from TLG itself!

It's so creepy how the T-1000 is becoming more and more human in order to reassure her "daughter". I love it!

Why, do you suppose, did she leave her alive, but not her father? Because she thought that the father was a thread to her mission, but not the child?

Anyway, I really like where this show is going and I can't wait 'til the next episode!

[simonjedi]

And I'm kind of confused about Cameron. I'm not sure I understood that episode where she lost her memory. Why did she loose it? And what are her true intentions? In that episode, she said that her mission was it to infiltrate the rebel base and kill John Connor, right? So, what happened? One theory would be that she got into the base, but was discovered somehow, reprogrammed, and sent to the past as a protector. That would mean that she is now reprogrammed, but returns to her evil programing occasionally. Another theory would be that she was not actually reprogrammed and is just pretending to have been reprogrammed as part of her mission.

Does anyone know the answer or have another idea?

i don't know the details, because season 2 starts tonight but i've read up on it.

Alison (RL cameron) was a resistance member who got captured by skynet, Cameron takes her identity as an infiltrator in to the resistance, to kill people/John connor. John sees through the disguise, because of their history, reprograms Cameron ("Dont worry john, we've done this before" - Vicks chip) and sends her back to protect him as a teenager.

The Jeep explosion damages her, which breaks her programming slightly. This causes her to act as a terminator periodically (accessing her original programming), and her memory loss is another effect of the explosion.

to diagram it:

future/ factoryline:

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Skynet mission to kill John connor

reprogram:

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Resistance programming overriding skynet mission

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Skynet mission to kill John connor

Post-Jeep explosion

: .:-::::..::::::::::....:::::...:::

Resistance programming overriding skynet mission (but explosion has damaged it, bits of skynet mission will replace it)

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Skynet mission to kill John connor

Edited October 23, 2008 by simonjedi

[Oky]

Thanks, simonjedi, that helped a lot especially the graph!

Anyone else have some thoughts about what I talked about in my previous post?

[JimBee]

Yes, the appearance of more and more Lego in this show is great! That tower was really good. By the way, John's girlfriend hasn't made an appearance in a while, perhaps they scrapped her? (oh, happy days! )

[Dark Sword Ragnarok]

Why, do you suppose, did she leave her alive, but not her father? Because she thought that the father was a thread to her mission, but not the child?

Well, supposedly the she was on the plane that killed her husband, right? So, I'm thinking, she came back from the future, took out the plane somehow (killing both the husband and her human self) and took over the role. Thus, she didn't get a chance to kill the daughter, and can't now because it would raise suspicion.

My idea, could be wrong.

DSR

[JINZONINGEN73]

LIQUID LADY:

She killed the girl's parents, presumably where the child was not present.

She may have known who they were, in order to take over their business empire. (Though why wouldn't she mimic the husband instead?)

One thing I'm wondering... when the newer Terminatoor was beaten into a pretzel, she melted her own brain.

...was that because Cameron had stopped her from getting to the psychiatrist, thereby letting him continue to live to work on the computer's developement?

Then again, would it be she was sent there to protect him?

I'm guessing she wasn't, and was in fact there to kill him, for he may have been known as a person who helped John Connor psychologically.

I dunno', it's a funny thing. They saved his life, he continued helping John, but also made Skynet smarter for the future, creating a paradox that the pretzeled Terminator chick is improved.

THIS... ...is entertainment.

[Oky]

One thing I'm wondering... when the newer Terminatoor was beaten into a pretzel, she melted her own brain.

...was that because Cameron had stopped her from getting to the psychiatrist, thereby letting him continue to live to work on the computer's developement?

Then again, would it be she was sent there to protect him?

I'm guessing she wasn't, and was in fact there to kill him, for he may have been known as a person who helped John Connor psychologically.

Hm, good question. I'm pretty sure she was there to kill him too (because of the way she was going straight for him). If she were there to protect him, I think she would have given some more afford on blending in/acting human. I don't know why she could have been given that mission, but your theory is one possibility.

I dunno', it's a funny thing. They saved his life, he continued helping John, but also made Skynet smarter for the future, creating a paradox that the pretzeled Terminator chick is improved.

Why would that create a paradox? With Skynet being smarter, the terminators are smarter/improved. Right?

LIQUID LADY:

(...) Though why wouldn't she mimic the husband instead?

It was the wife who was leading the business. The husband probably had a different job.

[JINZONINGEN73]

Well I'll be DAMNED.

Found out who built that Lego tower for Liquidhead's daughter...

...it was none other than Bryce McGlone, "Cajun" on Lego messageboards!

http://www.bzpower.com/forum/index.php?sho...0&start=160

That DOG!

[JimBee]

Well I'll be DAMNED.

Found out who built that Lego tower for Liquidhead's daughter...

...it was none other than Bryce McGlone, "Cajun" on Lego messageboards!

http://www.bzpower.com/forum/index.php?sho...0&start=160

That DOG!

Oh, wow, that's interesting. Sadly, there was no episode this week (damn playoffs! )

[Captain REX]

there was an episode this week it was on last night!

[JimBee]

Maybe in your country, Rex, but I'm pretty sure that TSCC only airs on Mondays in the U.S, and there wasn't one this week because of the playoff game. What episode did you see?

[Captain REX]

Episode 2 i think it was called Automatic for the people. It was about a nuclear power plant. Good episode

[simonjedi]

I guess it was on Virgin 1, and your British right?

They're talking about the American airings that are several episodes before us.

[Captain REX]

Meh at least it gives us a chance to catch up with them then.

[JINZONINGEN73]

So the next one is episode 7, yes?

Lol, I went searching for it online, not realizing stupid SPORTS shows bumped it off... but I did get a British "look inside" kind of interview video on the series.

All I can say is I had NO idea that the liquid Terminator was the lead singer for Garbage.

What the hell? lol

Great stuff...

[SWMAN]

This weeks episode was pretty neat. Cameron definitely hinted at the fact that she may have feelings for John. The bedroom talk as well as at the end when she mentions she doesn't want anything to happen to him in an emotional caring way both hint at later things.

[5150 Lego]

This weeks episode was pretty neat. Cameron definitely hinted at the fact that she may have feelings for John. The bedroom talk as well as at the end when she mentions she doesn't want anything to happen to him in an emotional caring way both hint at later things.

ya,i read into that too. But i don't think it will be John and Cameron, but John and the human girl that Cameron is based on. I think that in the future he will start to devlop feeling for her/it and then somthing will happen to Cameron. Either she gets destroyed, he has to put her of line. He then later meets the real Cameron and starts a relationship with her. Maybe even getting married. All this is just speculation though. we'll see!

[Captain REX]

last nights episode wasn't that good but next weeks will probably be better

[JINZONINGEN73]

I thought it was pretty amazing. But man, they're really screwed now.

And I wouldn't be surprised if liquid chick somehow gets Cromartie's body before they do.

Cameron definitely hinted at the fact that she may have feelings for John. The bedroom talk as well as at the end when she mentions she doesn't want anything to happen to him in an emotional caring way both hint at later things.

Well yeah, that and the fact she probably has to melt herself if she fails lol.

[JimBee]

Well, you guys (kinda) got what you wanted with John and Cameron. This episode was pretty awesome, I loved the scene at the end when Cromartie just got demolished. But the Mexican music kind of ruined the atmosphere of that scene.

Yeah, Jinzo, you're probably right on the liquid lady finding the body first. Sarah's emotional breakdown was pretty good for character development, I think. Also, I think the producers did well on the different points of view idea, since the same scene was cut off little by little from the beginning to make it more interesting. Not like Vantage Point...

[SWMAN]

ya,i read into that too. But i don't think it will be John and Cameron, but John and the human girl that Cameron is based on. I think that in the future he will start to devlop feeling for her/it and then somthing will happen to Cameron. Either she gets destroyed, he has to put her of line. He then later meets the real Cameron and starts a relationship with her. Maybe even getting married. All this is just speculation though. we'll see!

If you saw the episode "Allison from Palmdale", it revealed Cameron's backstory including the fact that

she is the copy of a human girl from the future that is captured and killed because she is friends with John. Skynet makes Cameron off of her image to infiltrate the Resistance.

[JINZONINGEN73]

Sarah's emotional breakdown was pretty good for character development, I think.

Put a damn tear in the corner of my eye is what it did.

[JINZONINGEN73]

Ah, well that explains where the body went. lol

Not sure what to think of this episode.

The Fisher guy was the guy who messed with Derek in the future, but Derek's altered the future to the point that never took place for him, but the guy's still there.

Then he's killed, further complicating the paradox by him never being able to do what he does... but then there's another him still walking around at the end?!? What? lol

It'd not make too much sense if he was a Terminator, as it's his human side that was appealing to them.

Weirdness.

I liked how the story of Fisher's methods were being told in the context of Derek's lover being the victim, as if it were his creative mental impression of what she was saying... then switching to it being him once she pointed it out, in a far grungier setting. Why would that be though? If it never happened to him, why would it, when it was her, be in a more sterile environment, but as it turns to him it becomes "darker"... if he supposedly never had it happen?

Curious...

Oh boy, here comes the radiation poisoning finally. >__<

[5150 Lego]

If you saw the episode "Allison from Palmdale", it revealed Cameron's backstory including the fact that

she is the copy of a human girl from the future that is captured and killed because she is friends with John. Skynet makes Cameron off of her image to infiltrate the Resistance.

Ya, i saw thats episde. Thats what led me to my theory!