7048: Troll Warship

[Teddy]

Dear all,

I know the Troll Wasrship hasn't been reviewed yet, and this is not a review.

Recently, i bought the 7048 Troll Warship and after building it I was really dissapointed with the end result.

For me this is just the worst set I bought in the last three years.

Since, I was so utterly dissapointed I wanted to poll what other people think.

Because, it could just be me not liking this and maybe I'm just not seeing the positive.

This is not lego bashing since I like most of their current castle line and have bought a

consideral amount of those sets.

The things that really enoy me about the set are:

-It doesn't even have a rudder or a ship's weel for that matter.

-The cabin doesn't hold anything and the masts have now way of climbing them.

-At the back you can see two gaping holes at the spots where you can put two 2x4 bricks to conect another section.

-The dwarf in the net seems strange and the pully system is just flimsy.

-the back mast is higher than the main mast, which frankly just lookes weird and is

historically incorrect.

-The two small boats attached to the back seem out of place.

-The cell in the middle of the ship makes no sence to me what so ever. Couldn't it have been located in the stern or in the bow?

-The rocket turret in the front seems to come from outer space and is therefore oddly out of place in a medieval setting.

The only positive thing is the green dragon, but I have no use for it right now.

Personally I feel I burned 80 euros (120 dollars) on a below average set and I could have bought the dragon on bricklink for considerably less.

Currently, I just wish I had taken another set.

I would be very interested in the opinion of other members on this set.

kind regards,

Teddy

EDIT: Box pic added for reference.

Edited September 28, 2008 by KimT
Box pic added

[Zorro]

I cant even stand the picture off it, but thats probably because I am used to see such great pirate MOCs and so on.

The ships currently released by TLC and future releases that have been leaked (including the new pirate ship from the 2009 line ) look very dissapointing and I can only hope Lego sells very few of them compared to nthe older ones so they will rehire the old engineer or at least a fresh one .

Try to sell yours as fast a you can now its new and if you cant you still have the hulls you could maybe use for your own MOC.

I must say you may have overpayed yours since I have seen them (I think) listed for 65 euros or less in Belgium.

Hope you can do something with it either way...

Edited September 27, 2008 by zorro3999

[Siegfried]

Well, first off the set has been reviewed, Dr. S did a great review months back. However I do sort-of agree with you about this set. Since it's based on the Viking hull it wasn't going to be a realistic ship... and that's why I haven't bought it. I only have room for one more ship (or so I tell myself), and I've been holding out for a real sail ship. This set is not one, but it does have some good parts in it and I think it's good for someone that doesn't own the Viking Longboat. Since I do, I'd only buy it on sale...

[Faramir]

This set has always looked rather nice to me, but I haven't gone after it, not for the reason you've mentioned, but mostly because of the terribly poor price/piece ratio. Being a fantasy theme, the mast heights don't bother me, and I haven't expected Lego ships to come with rudders or steering wheels in a while. Lego should tended to those flaws you mentioned, as it would have upped the depressingly low piece count.

[I Scream Clone]

I bought it recently on sale for $68 AUS which I was much happier paying than $99 AUS. It was a very barren ship and at first I was excited about having ship bases, but now I will just try and make my own

I looked at it as a parts pack, as I was happy to get a knight, dwarf, 6 orcs and kinda happy about a troll and dragon, though I wish the troll could sit down

I was also happy to get some cage pieces and dark brown bricks and small boats.

So though I only kept it built for a short while, it did look impressive to me as my first ship purchase, though its now parted out for my MOCs and probably wont be built again.

[KimT]

For me this is just the worst set I bought in the last three years.

Since, I was so utterly dissapointed I wanted to poll what other people think.

Because, it could just be me not liking this and maybe I'm just not seeing the positive.

This is not lego bashing since I like most of their current castle line and have bought a

consideral amount of those sets.

I am sorry that you feel this way about the Warship.

I'll add a poll to this topic.

The things that really enoy me about the set are:

-It doesn't even have a rudder or a ship's weel for that matter.

No it doesn't. It's a troll warship from the Fantasy Era/Castle theme and it's not intended to be "real". Only to be cool.

-The cabin doesn't hold anything and the masts have now way of climbing them.

-At the back you can see two gaping holes at the spots where you can put two 2x4 bricks to conect another section.

-The dwarf in the net seems strange and the pully system is just flimsy.

-The two small boats attached to the back seem out of place.

-The cell in the middle of the ship makes no sence to me what so ever. Couldn't it have been located in the stern or in the bow?

Yep, those are not good for the ship's evaluation. But again please consider the price of the set, compared to what we're getting here. I my opinion the price and design/brick amount are well balanced. A superbly designed ship costs a helluva lot more. The 4504 Millenium Falcon didn't cost nearly as much as the well designed UCS Millenium Falcon, did it?

-the back mast is higher than the main mast, which frankly just lookes weird and is historically incorrect.

-The rocket turret in the front seems to come from outer space and is therefore oddly out of place in a medieval setting.

Medieval setting? Historially incorrect? Are you kidding me? This is an imaginative theme. There's no orcs, living dead, trolls, wizards, dragons an so forth in the "real" world. It's designed to look "trollish" and crude. It's meant to have playability and inspire children's fantasy and make them play for hours. It's not meant to look "true" and stand on some AFOL's shelf - that's why the term MOC has become so popular within the AFOL-communities.

The only positive thing is the green dragon, but I have no use for it right now.

I've got mine on display with the 2 red ones from the other Castle/Fantasy Era sets.

I would be very interested in the opinion of other members on this set.

kind regards,

Teddy

This is just my opinion, and it wasn't meant to be bashy or anything like that.

[Guss]

I was planning on "maybe" buy this set because it have masts, and I need some, but you wrote:

Personally I feel I burned 80 euros (120 dollars) on a below average set and I could have bought the dragon on bricklink for considerably less.

Currently, I just wish I had taken another set.

it makes me hesitate, maybe I'll buy another set, 80€ is quite expensive I think.

[Batbrick]

I bought the set the other day and loved it. I don't want to offend but I find your criticisms a bit petty. The only glaring faults I see are the lack of steering wheel, lack of rudder and not a lot else. The jail in the middle is part of Orc design I guess, I personally like it as I reckon the Orcs would love jeering and insulting their prisoners from all directions. The rear upper mast is no problem, quite a few ships had a higher rear mast in history. Was it better? No idea, but it existed and therefore must have worked reasonably well. The other bits are no problem, as we are talking about an ORC ship here so I doubt conventional rules apply to miniboat attachments and the like.

Personally I love the set, and the only thing funner than the set will be modding it into perfection, which in my opinion is what makes Lego sets so fun.

Batbrick Away!

[brickzone]

I voted average. I did buy this set, but it is quite sparse, and poor value for the price of it. It seems the dragons add about a €15 premium (at least here in Ireland) to sets they are in, which I think is too much (€5 extra would seem more reasonable). King's Castle Siege (€100), Skeleton Tower (€60) and Troll Warship (€70) are all of a set size that would normally be €15 less.

Positive points are that it is indeed a troll warship in appearance, and has orcs/trolls and pretty cool sails. Dark brown is very nice indeed!

So I would say the pros and cons match up to make this a pretty average set - it's not above average in my opinion, and there are a lot of sub-par Lego sets to compare with to see that this is not below average either.

Edited September 29, 2008 by brickzone

[Guss]

I watched all the pictures I can find about this set and it doesn't seems to be as bad as Teddy says, plus it seems that some other people that bought it thinks it's a nice set, I think I'm going to hesitate when I'll be at she shop ^^

-the back mast is higher than the main mast, which frankly just lookes weird and is

historically incorrect.

1/ I lived the 23 first years of my life in Marseille, where there is a nice harbour, and sometimes old ships were docking and they had the back mast higher than the main ..

2/historically ? do you think that dragons and orcs are historically correct ? well.. I'm just saying the same things than KimT ^^ , but I really think that the words " historically incorrect" makes no senses here.

[Siegfried]

This isn't an accusation to anyone, but let's not turn this into an "insult someone elses opinion topic"....

[Captain Green Hair]

I voted average, it looks ok IMO and comes with a giant troll

I buy sets for parts anyway, if i'd buy it, it would be for the figs and the hull mids.

[Teddy]

Dear all,

thanks for all the comments!

This isn't an accusation to anyone, but let's not turn this into an "insult someone elses opinion topic"....

Don't worry, I'm not insulted in any way, because for me its a matter of taste.

Since I took a raddical stand, I left the door wide open for critisism.

If it was well balanced everybody would more or less agree, this way we will get a fairer discussion on the set.

I must say that the defensive of the set did not alter my view on the design.

However, I do feel a bit better about the set since it has a nice collection of minifigs and usefull parts.

To be clear on the topic I wasn't expecting a UCS set, I just expected more from an 80 euro set.

About the historical correctness argument: for me there just are some limits.

Does anybody here want the orcs to fly around in stealth bombers while attacking the castle?

Okay that might be cool anyway.

I can agree it is a gray erea, since it is fantasy.

And I am fully ware my argumentation is not "waterproof".

I did my best to describe the features I do and don't like in my first post.

However, I am very interested to know what other people like or dislike of this set.

I started this topic out of curiousity.

Kind regards,

Teddy

Edited September 29, 2008 by Teddy

[Johnny 5]

The main reason I like this set as much as I do is for the parts it contains, the weapons, the shields, all the orcs, the troll, the awesome green dragon, and the other accessories all add up to be worth it.

And the ship itself is a good enough basis to make a decent orc corsair ship.

[Manta]

Parts for a pirate ship, thats what this ship could be called.

[Yloquen]

I also bought this set 1-2 months ago and to be honest I was also a bit disappointed with it.

First - I thought that the hull was extremely wide and the ship too long. That may seem strange - being disappointed for getting more, but for some reason the hugeness was a bit of a turnoff. It was out of proportion with any other castle set - I don't think a ship should be as long or as high as a castle (I have King's Castle Siege).

Second - and this is a function of it's hugeness - it lacked the usual detail of LEGO sets.

And third - the price - I paid for it more than for King's Castle Siege, which has twice the number of pieces and roughly the same number of minifigs, and it also has a dragon.

Lastly - I don't think the main point of this set - the hull pieces have any other use than building exactly this type of ship.

[baby]

I would much prefer this set than the skeleton ship.

[KimT]

I would much prefer this set than the skeleton ship.

What what whaaaat?

The Skeleton ships rocks!

I just love the black hull

They're kinda the same, just in different colours - at least that's how I remember the Skeleton Ship.

Now if they made that with no skeletons and orcs instead

Undead orcs and undead trolls

Mmmm Zombie armies

[Batbrick]

Mmmm Zombie armies

Hey that would actually be really cool to see an undead orc on the skeleton's side, nice idea there. I'd love to get a zombie fig one day too

Unfortunately I didn't get the skeleton ship, it was the only 2007 castle set I didn't get, So I can't compare them. However, I like that the Troll Warship doesn't look like half a ship.

Batbrick Away!

[gladiator]

Hi,

In my opinion, 7048 much better than 7029.

I bought 7048 total 7 sets, to collect minifigs only ( 7 x 9= 63pcs). I really love with Orc-Boss, and orc-shields ( the best shield-ever!).

But, the design ship-itself is poor, below average, if you compare with pirates ship..

so, I voted average, minifigs are excellent, ship are poor design, and price in my country normally $110,

I got it 35%off, and dealing with my friends 50:50, I got all minifigs,weapons,and shield for $36 only. WOW.