How did you like the Clone Wars TV series?

[Corvus]

The problem is that they can't make him any more apathetic towards the council than he was in Episode 3. If they hadn't made episode 3 yet, they could have simply made him be a jerk toward the council from the start... but they can't. So there's not much they can really do.

Therefore, I reccomend that they avoid altogether, since all the episodes without him have been good.

[Captain REX]

The problem is that they can't make him any more apathetic towards the council than he was in Episode 3. If they hadn't made episode 3 yet, they could have simply made him be a jerk toward the council from the start... but they can't. So there's not much they can really do.

Therefore, I reccomend that they avoid altogether, since all the episodes without him have been good.

what even Bombbad Jedi?

[Corvus]

what even Bombbad Jedi?

Ah. I stand corrected.

[pr0visorak]

They might not kill Ahsoka since it is a kids show... But it is parental guidance though so many things can happen! Oh man, the next clone wars episode is not till next year!

[darkrebellion]

I just finish of seeing "Cloack of Darkness" and I need to say I simply it.

Firstly I need to congrats the writter cause this episode has an excellent story and has a good level of action. Now in the episode itself. The whole story is pretty good and see more of Gree is always good. Also the way the CIS plan the attack is pretty ingenious but I need to admit I wasn´t too surprised of how the Senate Guard turns into the bad guy cause I have read a review before . Also Ahsoka gets more action and I need to admit that the duel between Asajj, Luminara and Ahsoka was very epic (I think is the best so far in the series). I also like that the bad guys won and not the Republic cause I am getting tired that the Republic won all the episodes. Also what surprise me the most are the two violent kills . The first one a decapitation (Somewhat I haven´t seen in SW since the famous duel aboard the Invisible Hand ) and another lightsaber-in-the-heart kill. I need to admit that the second one was very predictable but the first one isn´t .

So far one of the best episodes so far. This one is one of my two favorite episodes (Which obiously are "Duel of the Droids" and this one ).

[Snake...SNAKE...SNAAAAKE?!]

Kids will get upset? Its the friggin clone wars! people die all the time! What about Nahdar Vebb being killed in Lair of General Grevious?

We barely knew him. At all.

But still, Ashoka must die!!!!

[Captain REX]

What about Hevy, Cutup and droidbait in rookies? Besides its just a TV show it's not real life. If they spend their time crying about the death of an animated character they need to grow up!

[djmangunz]

I realize that this is a tad bit early to inquire about but I wanted to see if anyone has an idea as to when the Clone Wars season one will be released on DVD? And if you are so privileged to have such information, would you happen to know the price of said DVD? Danka.

[darkrebellion]

I just finish of saw "Lair of Grievous" and I need to say that is amazingly good .

I read some previous reviews and all of them said that the episode was so-so and that it as a whole doesn´t stand so good but in my opinion is one of the best yet . The whole dark atmosphere is always good and the writers really known how to capture the enclose feeling cause it really rise the the scare feeling a lot . Also how Grievous is put to test is great. The death of Nahdar Vebb isn´t a surprise cause since the episode start he just was somewhat hungry of revenge and power but I like the way they kill him , very creative that one is one I didn´t saw coming . My favorite part is the duel against the roggwart Gor . The battle was great in all aspect and is the only truly surprise in the episode (I really don´t saw coming that part ). The true surprise was when Grievous activate his cam to see if Gor finished "playing" with the jedis and just found that Gor was death and he express sadness (Something I never see in Grievous before) and angryness against Dooku .

Great episode and finally we reach the "normal" schedule in the list of episodes aired and the next episode is "Dooku Captured" the same as the US. Now I can´t wait to see the next one .

[Oky]

I realize that this is a tad bit early to inquire about but I wanted to see if anyone has an idea as to when the Clone Wars season one will be released on DVD? And if you are so privileged to have such information, would you happen to know the price of said DVD? Danka.

I have no clue, and I don't think anyone knows. We don't even know yet how many episodes Season 1 has. I'm guessing that it wont be until summer that we get a DVD.

how Grievous is put to test is great.

As I said, it really was!

The true surprise was when Grievous activate his cam to see if Gor finished "playing" with the jedis and just found that Gor was death and he express sadness (Something I never see in Grievous before) and angryness against Dooku .

Yes, it really is strange that we haven't seen much of Grievous' sad side before. I mean, it's what inspired his name after all. Good that we start to see it now, though.

What? You liked the fight against Gor better than Fisto opening a can of whoop-a$$ on Grievous?!

Great episode and finally we reach the "normal" schedule in the list of episodes aired and the next episode is "Dooku Captured" the same as the US. Now I can´t wait to see the next one .

Really? What about "Cloak of Darkness"?

Glad you're starting to catch up, though.

[simonjedi]

We don't even know yet how many episodes Season 1 has.

22.

Theforce.net had an interview with Henry Gilroy and Dave filoni, where they reveal some imteresting information:

http://boards.theforce.net/live_action_clo...29628723/p1/?16

but oddly as one of the episodes in second half of the first season is a prequel to the Clone Wars movie, you might see a brief glimpse of Loathsome there.

Quinlan Vos was in an early draft of Bombad Jedi. He was working undercover and actually using his force abilities to make it look like Jar Jar WAS a Jedi. Jar Jar was even fooled himself for a while.

In the original final draft script of “Destroy Malevolence”, Captain Panaka was with Padme and captured by Grievous. Grievous brutally murdered Panaka and George really liked how we did it and approved it. But alas, when the producer demanded the script be rewritten — it was without Panaka. That version also included a lightsaber duel between Plo and Grievous on the exterior of the Malevolence in space that was freakin’ awesome — but don’t get me going! Sigh.

Henry: That mask is Plo-Kool! FYI, the Jedi originally got on board the Malevolence using ‘the carbonite infiltration manuever’, freezing themselves in carbonite to get past droid bio scans and radiation beams. Anakin had custom built this special mask for Plo to be frozen in carbonite, but it also worked in vacuum of space.

Its worth a read, there are some really teasing [deleted] bits for futire episodes. There is also this bit which IMO is hilarious.

TFN: Do you have a plan for why Ahsoka doesn’t appear in Revenge of the Sith?

Henry: Hmmm. Are you asking about the ‘theatrical’ version of Revenge of the Sith or the ‘Special Complete Perfect “Plo Doesn’t Die” Edition’ Revenge of the Sith? Psssst... You guys have no idea how powerful Filoni is getting at the Ranch.

Dave: There is some truth to what Henry is saying. I once pitched George the idea that Plo had a parachute and that he bailed out of his fighter before it crashed. Then George said he would only continue the scene and make Plo’s death more painful, I think his parachute was going to catch fire and he falls on something sharp. I even pitched Plo being added at the end of Return of the Jedi as a Blue Ghost but that didn’t go over either. As for Ahsoka’s future... I have ideas, even outlines that answer your question very specifically.

Henry: George likes to tease Dave about his affection for Plo. Early on in one meeting he said, “Only a diseased mind thinks Plo Koon is the best character.” That always cracked me up... but George ended up being really impressed with how Plo came to life in the series.

[Oky]

I just saw "Dooku Captured". It was pretty good. I mean, how could it not have been? It had the most screentime of Obi Wan, Mace Windu, and Dooku to date! Plus, it featured pirates and the Solar Sailer!

But what was up with the flying saucer? I mean, it was kinda cute how cliche-like it looked, but still... This is Star Wars, not MIB or something!

22.

Ah, yes, you're right. Starmars.com says the same.

So, according to Wookieepedia's list of Season 1 episodes, episode 22 will be aired on March 17. This means that we can expect a Season 1 DVD some time shortly after that, I think.

In the original final draft script of “Destroy Malevolence”, Captain Panaka was with Padme and captured by Grievous. Grievous brutally murdered Panaka and George really liked how we did it and approved it. But alas, when the producer demanded the script be rewritten — it was without Panaka. That version also included a lightsaber duel between Plo and Grievous on the exterior of the Malevolence in space that was freakin’ awesome

*SNIP*

FYI, the Jedi originally got on board the Malevolence using ‘the carbonite infiltration manuever’, freezing themselves in carbonite to get past droid bio scans and radiation beams. Anakin had custom built this special mask for Plo to be frozen in carbonite, but it also worked in vacuum of space.

WHAT! Grievous murdering Panaka? "Carbonite infiltration manuever"? Plo kicking Grievous' butt - IN SPACE?! Goddammit! This episode could have ROCKED, but nooo, the producers had to step in and make it as stupid and boring as it was! Gosh, this makes me so mad! It also makes me loose hope of this show ever including any kind of badassness in the future.

I do, however, find the part about General Grievous rather interesting:

TFN: So what is the deal with General Grievous’ origin? There’s the first version with the shuttle crash where Dooku upgraded him and there’s the new one with him choosing to upgrade himself. Why the different versions?

Henry: George envisioned something different than what was created for the EU and Dave and I jumped at the chance to explore that. In my mind, the EU origin created a character that was twisted and bitter and very tragic, but not very fun. The great thing about Vader in A New Hope is, as soon as you see him onscreen, you want to boo him. He’s so over the top evil. Same with the Emperor. They are pure evil and they are fun — bad guys you love to hate! Well, until we know who Vader is. Anyway, knowing that poor old Grievous has this background as a noble warrior who was fighting for his people, then was sadly tricked my Dooku reduced him to a straight up pawn, who was played by the seppies, because he really wasn’t the master of his own destiny, he was more a product of Dooku’s evil machinations than his own pride and villainy. It was more in Grievous’ character (as created by George Lucas) to choose to upgrade himself, because he chose to sacrifice his ‘humanity’ for the power to become the greatest killer in the galaxy. He wasn’t able to do it via The Force, so he chose to make himself into a mechanical monster that dominated the most powerful beings in the galaxy, the Force users, the Jedi. Grievous is not a tragic character, he’s a cold blooded mass murderer, a classic old school villain (and different from Vader) in that he doesn’t have any redeeming characteristics. What kind of a vain egomaniac has statues of himself in his house? Maybe one who is trying to convince himself he did the right thing.

Dave: I tried to talk about this in the commentary I do online. Henry and I knew this would be a big one for EU fans. I tend to think of the Episode “Lair of Grievous” as a look more into the mind of Grievous. How you interpret the story depends largely on what backstory you like. If you believe Grievous was shot down in a shuttle by Dooku and put back together, I think that story is there, it’s just that Grievous has invented this new “story” of choosing his alterations. If you don’t believe in the EU version of the story or didn’t like it, then perhaps this new revelation that Grievous was a warrior whose lust for power made him choose to be altered, suits you better. Again a great many of the truths we cling to depend largely on our own point of view. Grievous was a great warrior in both stories, he was a Kaleesh in both stories, the major differences depend on what you believe about his past. In the end I have to say this, many die hard EU fans pick and choose the stories they think are canon based on what they like and what they don’t like. They read a novel they like it and it’s ‘in’, they don’t like it, and it’s ‘out.’ Well, we get our like and dislike in the EU directly from George and he created Star Wars, I have to say that’s a pretty big trump card. Regardless, much effort goes into trying to word things or shoot things so that the existing EU can remain, if only at times from a certain point of view.

I, personally, believe in the EU version. It makes Grievous a more deep, Mr. Freeze-like character, which I like. As Filoni said, I therefore believe that Grievous only invented the new story to hold up his reputation of a proud warrior. That's how I interpreted it the first time I watched Lair of Grievous, and it fits very well into the idea of him trying to convince himelf that his new way of life is good and that he is still the proud warrior that he used to be.

How do you guys feel about this?

Edited January 3, 2009 by Oky Wan Kenobi

[Captain REX]

I personally didnt like Dooku Captured i mean it left so many questions unanswered.

When does Anakin get his lightsaber back? When and How will Dooku escape?

[Tim Bit]

I personally didnt like Dooku Captured i mean it left so many questions unanswered.

When does Anakin get his lightsaber back? When and How will Dooku escape?

Thats because they'd have no story for the gungan general.

[Captain REX]

Whats the gungan general? The next episode? Because for some reason we didnt get our next episode trailer this week

[Corvus]

But what was up with the flying saucer? I mean, it was kinda cute how cliche-like it looked, but still... This is Star Wars, not MIB or something!

That was...odd. I blinked after I saw it and completely missed the next 30 seconds or so because I was laughing.

But I loved the new episode! The parts with the pirates were pretty funny. The random brawling, the drinking, and the servants were hilarious. The head Weequay seems much too smart for a Weequay, though. I thought they were supposed to be complete morons...

About the next episode: Why do Anakin and Obi-Wan try to escape with Dooku? They're Jedi! They're supposed to sacrifice their lives so Dooku can get captured.

[Justin2224]

They were all bound together with that blue handcuff thing. So all-in-all, they had no choice.

On another note, that was probably my least favourite episode so far. Far too many unanswered questions, and far to fast paced- you blink and you miss the entire thing. But the next one looks promising. I don't get why so many people have a problem with Jar Jar, he's funny, and there are sure to be a few funny mishaps with him in the episode.

[Snake...SNAKE...SNAAAAKE?!]

They were all bound together with that blue handcuff thing. So all-in-all, they had no choice.

On another note, that was probably my least favourite episode so far. Far too many unanswered questions, and far to fast paced- you blink and you miss the entire thing. But the next one looks promising. I don't get why so many people have a problem with Jar Jar, he's funny, and there are sure to be a few funny mishaps with him in the episode.

I liked the episode.

It was like in AOTC. blink, and you only see the tuskens and geonosis. I personally like Jar Jar's mishaps, it's just anything he says that kills it for me.

[Corvus]

They were all bound together with that blue handcuff thing. So all-in-all, they had no choice.

But they're Jedi- aren't they supposed to give their lives in service? I'm pretty sure any Jedi would gladly sacrifice themselves to have Dooku captured.

[djmangunz]

"Quinlan Vos was in an early draft of Bombad Jedi. He was working undercover and actually using his force abilities to make it look like Jar Jar WAS a Jedi. Jar Jar was even fooled himself for a while." quote

What the...?How could the cut VOS from the freaking show? Arguably the deepest character in Star Wars EU and they cut his part to make more time for JAR JAR? Feel free to shoot me now.

[Oky]

About the next episode: Why do Anakin and Obi-Wan try to escape with Dooku? They're Jedi! They're supposed to sacrifice their lives so Dooku can get captured.

But they're Jedi- aren't they supposed to give their lives in service? I'm pretty sure any Jedi would gladly sacrifice themselves to have Dooku captured.

Jedi are keepers of peace, not warriors, so why should they? And what do you mean by "have Dooku captured"? Dooku is already captured - by pirates. Obi & Annie are escaping with him because they want to hand him to the authorities or whatever once they get back to Coruscant. The pirates apparently don't want to make deals with the Republic (anymore), so Obi & Annie have to take Dooku from them. Why Dooku agrees to this is a different question. But as Filoni says in the commentary of "Dooku Captured", this might all be part of some kind of master plan of Dooku.

[-JD-]

I was a bit dissapointed with the episode 'Dooku Captured'. It was too short and had a slightely confusing ending. Ah well. Hopefully it will be better next time.

[Corvus]

Jedi are keepers of peace, not warriors, so why should they? And what do you mean by "have Dooku captured"? Dooku is already captured - by pirates. Obi & Annie are escaping with him because they want to hand him to the authorities or whatever once they get back to Coruscant. The pirates apparently don't want to make deals with the Republic (anymore), so Obi & Annie have to take Dooku from them. Why Dooku agrees to this is a different question. But as Filoni says in the commentary of "Dooku Captured", this might all be part of some kind of master plan of Dooku.

I guess I'm basing what I'm saying off of the assumption that Dooku is still going to the Republic. Now, if Dooku were being sold to the Seperatists, it'd make sense for Anakin and Obi to escape.

I meant that they would give their lives so Dooku would stay captured. Have you read Shatterpoint? Mace (the main character) says a lot about Jedi making the 'ultimate sacrifice', or their lives, to protect others. It seems to me that any Jedi would risk their lives to get Dooku to the Republic (or stay in a cell with Dooku so he'd stay captured). But I'm assuming that they're going to be sold to the Republic. Maybe the pirates have a different plan...

[darkrebellion]

I saw "Dooku Captured" and I need to say that I am dissapointed .

First the episode begins good with a fairly good argument and some nice action sequences. But how Anakin is captured and we don´t know it until now ? I mean the prologe sounds like he was captured by days even weeks and we don´t have an episode featuring how he gets captured? Bad move writters, bad move . Than we have the crash sequence. How bad it looks the landing of the separatist shuttle . It could be a lot more violent (In the crash way, I don´t mean that it needs to have blood or something like that but at least the ship could get a bit more damange). Than the cave part is very dumb . Dooku pull the rock over Anakin and where is Obi? Than the pirates are the best part of the episode cause they are well... like the pirates . I really like how the pirate leader own a red and green Kowakian Monkey Lizard as the tipical parrot in his shoulder (That surely was the best detail in the episode). Than we see the fight against an starnge monster in the cave that is surely boring and bad done and some toxic gas to make the scene even worse . Later comes the worst part... the flying saucer sequence!!! WHAT IS THIS? A flying saucer in SW ? Yeah it was a flying saucer that escapes from the classic UFO series . It even include the classic lights . With the talented art designers they have to their hand they decide to made some crappy UFO instead of an awesome new ship for the pirates . Than we see that boring talky part to end with the episode. The bar sequences were good but nothing that great.

At the end this episode finish being like "Destroying the Malevolence" a good argument but so bad developed episode . "Gungan General" sounds like a cool episode that hopefully will be great .

[Oky]

I guess I'm basing what I'm saying off of the assumption that Dooku is still going to the Republic. Now, if Dooku were being sold to the Seperatists, it'd make sense for Anakin and Obi to escape.

Ah, I understand your thoughts now. But as you say yourself, your assumption doesn't make much sense, and I think the fact that the pirates were trying to poison Obi & Annie shows that they are not interested in making deals with the Republic (anymore), so it is to be assumed that Dooku (together with the Jedi) is going to be sold to the Seps.

I saw "Dooku Captured" and I need to say that I am dissapointed .

SNIP

Well, yes, we know that this wasn't exactly the best episode ever, but if you ask me, none of the first parts of the 2- or 3-part stories in this show were. They all just serve the purpose of preparing the viewer for the following episode(s). Downfall of a Droid for example sucked, whereas Duel of the Droids rocked. So, I'm really hoping that Gungan General will be about just as good as Duel of the Droids!

And I'm very curious what Dooku's secret plan is...