Star Wars

[Artanis I]

all star was

shouldn't that be "all that a star was" or maybe "all the stars were"?

[Oky]

solo was a rubbish character anyway.

Uhm, isn't Solo part of Star Wars? By your definition, you're not a real SW fan if that's how you feel.

Seriously, if being a SW fan means having to like everything that's being thrown at you, I don't think I want to be one.

Back on the topic of the Blu-Ray changes, I don't get all the fuss either. Vader's line doesn't sound half as bad as it did in RotS and actually sort of fits. And who cares if there are more rocks in the shot with R2? The changes are pretty minor, so if George wants it that way, I say let him.

[XimenaPaulina]

Ok guys. People are entitled to their own opinions. Nobody has the right to define what a fan of anything is or isn't, so let's not go there.

This thread if for discussing Star Wars. That includes being pissed by nonsensical changes on BluRay. That's the hot topic at the moment anyway. Stop the flaming.

It seems some of you don't (or don't want to) understand what CloneyO said, so I'll echo it again. Everyone has their own opinion, and if someone has one that goes against your personal beliefs, regardless of the tone of delivery, it's either you: a) respect it like a matured person; b) ignore it since it ain't worth your time and ire; c) discuss it privately with the particular member via PM. Posting off-topic, 'flame-inducing' argumentative posts is not an option, so pls. let's keep the discussions here constructive, healthy and civil. For everyone's compliance.

[Clone OPatra]

I haven't seen this new deleted scene posted here yet. Personally, I feel like Harrison Ford's acting in the takes used here is extremely stilted and wooden. Especially the line 'we'll meet again.' I'm glad this didn't make it into the final cut.

[Sisco]

I'm pretty glad that that scene didn't make the cut. I don't really like the dialogue here. Is it just me, or would this scene seem to be out of place in the movie?

[DarthSion]

Seemed right on par with his entire performance.

Is there a full list of things added to the movies, I thought I saw something new in the pod race.

Edited September 11, 2011 by DarthSion

[Praiter Yed]

I haven't seen this new deleted scene posted here yet. Personally, I feel like Harrison Ford's acting in the takes used here is extremely stilted and wooden. Especially the line 'we'll meet again.' I'm glad this didn't make it into the final cut.

Agreed, still nice to see though.

Following on from SW forum on 'iconic' space craft of Star Wars:

At the very least, I would consider any ship in the Prequels that played some kind of critical role in the plot of the film somewhat iconic relative to the other twenty thousand craft. I only chose those four ships because they were the only ones I could think of as being even vaguely important. Also keep in mind the fact that I haven't seen the first two Prequels in several years. I suppose if I were to sit on it a while, I would probably come to the conclusion that iconic starships don't exist in either the Prequels or the Clone Wars, especially since the films and series focus more on character development (or at least some semblance of it - but that's a debate for another thread).

I see so, kind of narrowing down the field of the word 'iconic' to be a specific visual symbol of one film? I'm not sure I would necessarily consider that it's role in the plot would make it iconic but maybe (for me) it's visual impact. I would plump for these...

TPM: H-type Nubian yacht + the one you said, Lucrehulk, maye even the N-1

AOTC: Obi Wan's JSF

ROTS: Eta 2

Something iconic from Star Wars would be something instantly recognizable by anyone as something from Star Wars, whether that person was a fan of Star Wars or not. In my mind, that means T-65s, TIE/lns, Imperial Star Destroyers, Death Star I, and the Falcon, primarily, if we're talking vehicles. Possibly also the AT-AT, AT-ST, T-47, TIE x1, Death Star II, Y-wing, and Executor. The word is probably overused.

This is more how I would think of something being iconic. The beauty of the OT is that it holds a unique historical and cultural moment in film where for a generation it was like nothing they had ever seen before. Special effects and design where far beyond most previous sci-fi movies (possibly with the exception of 2001 which also has a ship which I may consider iconic).

I'd still be tempted to scratch the Y-wing off your list (sadly because It's a personal fave) and change the Executor for just generic Star Destroyer I'd maybe add Slave I.

Anybody else have any thoughts on what warrants and/or is a iconic ship/vehicle in SW?

Edited September 11, 2011 by Praiter Yed

[Fallenangel]

It doesn't seem like 'iconic' would be the best word for either a 'specific visual symbol of one film' or an 'instantly recognizable by anyone as something from (franchise)'.

My nomination for very latest OVER-used words include “iconic” and “amazing.” It’s as if the entire country got a briefing memo instructing everyone on frequent usage.

I just did a web search for the word “iconic.” I found more than 18.000 references in news stories alone. Add the word icon to iconic and there’s another 30,000-plus story references.

In recent weeks, we’ve been told cartoon character Sponge Bob Squarepants is an icon, along with Farrah Fawcett and just about any other celebrity of note. But no one has been elevated to the status of Michael Jackson. His too short, talented-yet-sad life story is filled with iconic images, he’s a pop music icon… all of that. There’s so much talk of iconic references these days that the word’s original definition is lost.

I even fell into the overused word trap with last month’s column, referring to the iconic 1968 image of earth-from-the-moon, taken from Apollo 8. (Actually, that photo WAS iconic, for many reasons.)

The Random House dictionary definition of icon is: “A picture, image or other representation; a representation of some sacred personage; a sign or representation that stands for its object by virtue of a resemblance or anthology to it.”

Any language experts here? What would the best word be?

[Brickdoctor]

I'd still be tempted to scratch the Y-wing off your list (sadly because It's a personal fave) and change the Executor for just generic Star Destroyer I'd maybe add Slave I.

That's why I listed the Y-wing and Executor under 'possibly' and the Imperial-class under the list I consider iconic. I suppose Slave I could be considered iconic, but probably more due to the appeal of Boba Fett than anything the ship itself did. (fly around for a few seconds and get loaded with Han in carbonite - the latter probably being the ship's only prominent scene)

[Fallenangel]

I suppose Slave I could be considered iconic, but probably more due to the appeal of Boba Fett than anything the ship itself did. (fly around for a few seconds and get loaded with Han in carbonite - the latter probably being the ship's only prominent scene)

What I find strange is how people are saying that Slave I is iconic now when only last year they were arguing that it was relatively obscure:

Also it could be argued that the Slave 1 is an obscure model as we mainly see it from behind, we never get many close ups of it, apart from the scene where Han is being loaded onto it.

And, as I've said before, the Slave 1 is hardly iconic. It's in 2 sceanes for VERY brief moments. besides, making two of the same ship in the same year is just strange to me.

One of the most obscure ships imaginable, why do we need ANOTHER Slave-1 regardless of scale. There have almost been more versions of the Slave-1 released than it has SECONDS on-screen in the original trilogy.

[Mr Man]

As a fan of the PT I would argue than non of the ships in it are iconic, as as good as they where the PT did not have the same social impact as the OT. The OT was heavily focused on characterisation and establishing shots (That is huge starfields with really impressive models), whereas the PT seemed to be intent on pushing the story along as fast as possible, with the equally impressive GCI models only achieving bit parts. Also the OT Was the only major SF film out at the time (with notable exceptions) and had a huge impact on people so all it's icons would also have the same impact (Stormtroopers, lightsabres, ISD, Darth Vader etc) whereas the PT came out at a time with lots and lots of SF films out, which kinda sterilised people to the wonders of the Venator or the ARC Fighter.

[Praiter Yed]

What I find strange is how people are saying that Slave I is iconic now when only last year they were arguing that it was relatively obscure:

As Brickdoctor also states about some of his choices, I did throw it in as a maybe . For me personally it was the stand-out ship of ESB because I'd never seen a space ship that looked like an iron before . On reading those comments I'd have to concede that perhaps it would not be recognisable by none SW fans. I would guess that the AT-AT would be the stand-out ESB vehicle to your average Joe Bloggs.

As a fan of the PT I would argue than non of the ships in it are iconic, as as good as they where the PT did not have the same social impact as the OT. The OT was heavily focused on characterisation and establishing shots (That is huge starfields with really impressive models), whereas the PT seemed to be intent on pushing the story along as fast as possible, with the equally impressive GCI models only achieving bit parts. Also the OT Was the only major SF film out at the time (with notable exceptions) and had a huge impact on people so all it's icons would also have the same impact (Stormtroopers, lightsabres, ISD, Darth Vader etc) whereas the PT came out at a time with lots and lots of SF films out, which kinda sterilised people to the wonders of the Venator or the ARC Fighter.

Agreed, I can't imagine any future sci-fi films ever having the cultural impact of the OT and doubt there will ever be any new star-ship designs that will be considered iconic.

Going back to a different note, just happened upon the following, this is what I referred to a couple of pages back about George Lucas being annoyed at people changing films...

My name is George Lucas. I am a writer, director, and producer of motion pictures and Chairman of the Board of Lucasfilm Ltd., a multi-faceted entertainment corporation.

I am not here today as a writer-director, or as a producer, or as the chairman of a corporation. I’ve come as a citizen of what I believe to be a great society that is in need of a moral anchor to help define and protect its intellectual and cultural heritage. It is not being protected.

The destruction of our film heritage, which is the focus of concern today, is only the tip of the iceberg. American law does not protect our painters, sculptors, recording artists, authors, or filmmakers from having their lifework distorted, and their reputation ruined. If something is not done now to clearly state the moral rights of artists, current and future technologies will alter, mutilate, and destroy for future generations the subtle human truths and highest human feeling that talented individuals within our society have created.

A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain. American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.

People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as “when life begins” or “when it should be appropriately terminated,” but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.

You can read the abridged article where I found this quote here.

Or you can read more at www.savestarwars.com

Edited September 12, 2011 by Praiter Yed

[Mr Man]

For me personally it was the stand-out ship of ESB because I'd never seen a space ship that looked like an iron before . On reading those comments I'd have to concede that perhaps it would not be recognisable by none SW fans. I would guess that the AT-AT would be the stand-out ESB vehicle to your average Joe Bloggs.

Back before ANH came out spaceships where ether saucer shaped or Enterprise shaped, the X-wings, ISD's, and Slave one where not shaped like this. Now practically all spaceships are X-Wing (Fighter) shaped so the only ships that stood out in the PT where different designs like the Droid Control Ship or the Slave 1 again, but this time around the ARC did not have the same impact as all new space ships look like that (basically aeroplane shaped).

[Fallenangel]

Also the OT Was the only major SF film out at the time (with notable exceptions)

Back before ANH came out spaceships where ether saucer shaped or Enterprise shaped, the X-wings, ISD's, and Slave one where not shaped like this. Now practically all spaceships are X-Wing (Fighter) shaped so the only ships that stood out in the PT where different designs like the Droid Control Ship or the Slave 1 again, but this time around the ARC did not have the same impact as all new space ships look like that (basically aeroplane shaped).

Come now, we mustn't discredit the fine folks who contributed innovative starship designs in the 60s and 70s!

If we're going to mention unique ships, I think that the TIE/ln definitely deserves mention. You essentially have two hexagonal radiator panels surrounding a large metal eyeball propelled by two miniscule thrusters, bearing little resemblance to any conventional aircraft of the time. It's arguably one of the most "alien" (that is, strange or unfamiliar) designs of the films.

[CMP]

Ships I find iconic: Star Destroyer, X-Wing, TIE fighter, Death Star, Falcon. Vehicles: AT-AT, AT-ST, Landspeeder, Speederbike.

Slave I got popular because A. it was an interesting design, and B. the guy driving it was badass. Boba Fett got 3 lines in ESB, 1 in RotJ, and he comes up as one of the most mysterious characters.

The hell are we really arguing about anyway?

[simonjedi]

Full list of BR changes for all 6 films.

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-one.html

Usual mix of pointless changes, incorrect coloured sabers and alterations that don't even follow continuity between scenes. (Rocks, jabba's door) It seems to be as half arsed and 'megabluck it, that'll do, they'll buy it anyway' as the 04 DVDs

[Mr Man]

Full list of BR changes for all 6 films.

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-one.html

Well I'll refrain from commenting on most of them but why can't they GCI remove all OT lightsabre effect and GCI add proper shaped, weighted, lighted, and coloured PT lightsabre effects in their place? I don't think many OT fans would mind, and we would end up with colour consistant good looking lightsabres.

[Fallenangel]

No, the battle plan was for the X-wings to draw fire away from the Y-wings, who would be trying to shoot proton torpedoes into the exhaust port.

Indeed. That's why Biggs and Jek started out plucking towers while Dutch and his wingmen headed straight down the trench(not firing a single shot through the entire sequence, which I always found rather ironic).

What's funny is that I didn't know Y-wings even had proton torpedo launch tubes until recently, because they just aren't visible like they are on X-wings.

[Brickadeer]

Full list of BR changes for all 6 films.

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-one.html

Usual mix of pointless changes, incorrect coloured sabers and alterations that don't even follow continuity between scenes. (Rocks, jabba's door) It seems to be as half arsed and 'megabluck it, that'll do, they'll buy it anyway' as the 04 DVDs

Thanks for the link, I found it quite interesting. Star Wars is beginning to remind me of a cinematic Jocelyn Wildenstein.

[Fallenangel]

Has anyone else seen the new official Databank? Apparently it was completely redone when the site was overhauled a few weeks ago. It's not nearly as useful as the old one, which isn't surprising since Wookieepedia now has all that info and more.

[Masked Builder]

Has anyone else seen the new official Databank? Apparently it was completely redone when the site was overhauled a few weeks ago. It's not nearly as useful as the old one, which isn't surprising since Wookieepedia now has all that info and more.

I saw it. It actually refers to Wookieepedia. And I do like the page layouts.

[DarthSion]

A 1983 interview with Mark Hamil for RotJ.

http://www.jedinews.co.uk/news/news.aspx?newsID=5776

interesting how they kept going on about 3 trilogies, and Mark being in one in 2004.

[spitfire]

Forgive me, if this has been posted here before.

That guy is awesome.

[DarthSion]

http://www.jedinews.co.uk/news/news.aspx?newsID=5781

Interesting way to make music.

[simonjedi]

Terrible poster for terrible movie in stupid gimmick.

Now have some amazing posters...