Star Wars

[CMP]

People always go back to Timothy Zahn and a lot of the other great EU books but for everyone great one there was a lot of crap. They couldn't really make movies with the OT cast and have their own story if they took the entire EU into account.

[ToaSalvus(lego)]

If one cannot be excited about 6 Star Wars movies in 6 years then I would say you aren't much of a fan to begin with.

The EU still exists it's just now called Legends. And besides much of it either sucked or contradicted itself.

If you have been paying attention Disney is already pulling material out of EU. They have a very long history of staying true to their IPs and ensuring their continued existence. Disney can do what probably no other company would be able to do and that is make Star Wars movies for a very, very long time. There is already talk of a four trilogy.

While personally I haven't been a fan of Disney for a long time, from what I see of TFA and Rebels it's obvious they get it. They have a plethora of classic movies because they know If you have something good you don't mess with it.

Please don't disccriminate against me for not liking DISNEY, ok?

I love Star Wars, and was almost reduced to tears when i heard DISNEY bought it.

[Jedi-Bendu]

it is but it isn't, the bright side of Disney moving star wars forward is that things George Lucas didn't agree with now have a slim (very slim, but still existent) chance of going into full canonization. example, Boba Fett (yes I am a fanboy) George says Boba fell into the pit and that's that, EU said he survived

Ehm, Lucas said Fett survived...... http://makingstarwars.net/2014/07/boba-fett-lives-fett-die-star-wars-episode-vi-according-george-lucas/

[ToaSalvus(lego)]

Yes, he fought his way out, it is even mentioned in one of the encyclopedias.

[Jedi-Bendu]

Yes, he fought his way out, it is even mentioned in one of the encyclopedias.

Thats EU (the encyclopedia).

Last summer Lucas said (after over 30 years!) Fett survived.

[Darth Punk]

I fail to see how I am "discriminating" against anyone and most certainly was not my intention. I also fail to see who owns stars wars as a reason not to like it. If the films are good then who really cares. It's not like Lucasfims has gone away. And many of other people brought in work on the films are all big fans.

If the movies suck, then sure people can tear Disney apart. But why condemn it entirely despite the fact not a single film has yet to,be released? Both my brother and I were rather upset ourselves when we heard Disney bought Star Wars. But there really isn't anything that would keep me from seeing TFA.

Ehm, Lucas said Fett survived...... http://makingstarwars.net/2014/07/boba-fett-lives-fett-die-star-wars-episode-vi-according-george-lucas/

I have a feeling Rogue One may put an end to,the confusion.

[ToaSalvus(lego)]

I fail to see how I am "discriminating" against anyone and most certainly was not my intention. I also fail to see who owns stars wars as a reason not to like it. If the films are good then who really cares. It's not like Lucasfims has gone away. And many of other people brought in work on the films are all big fans.

If the movies suck, then sure people can tear Disney apart. But why condemn it entirely despite the fact not a single film has yet to,be released? Both my brother and I were rather upset ourselves when we heard Disney bought Star Wars. But there really isn't anything that would keep me from seeing TFA.

I have a feeling Rogue One may put an end to,the confusion.

Uh, I care. I don't want DISNEY to touch the Star Wars universe. And I have a right to my opinion, and I'd hope you will respect that.

[Slurpifier]

Even though I did say earlier it seemed like Disney were milking the francise a bit, I am sort of happy for the way they sorted the EU. Everything after Episode VI was, just a mess waiting to be cleaned, and I greatly welcome that that is all Non-Canon. However, I am sad that the Old Republic (KOTOR included) is now considered Non-Canon; that section of EU was the only bit of EU I liked.

[Darth Punk]

Even though I did say earlier it seemed like Disney were milking the francise a bit, I am sort of happy for the way they sorted the EU. Everything after Episode VI was, just a mess waiting to be cleaned, and I greatly welcome that that is all Non-Canon. However, I am sad that the Old Republic (KOTOR included) is now considered Non-Canon; that section of EU was the only bit of EU I liked.

The way they handled the EU made the most sense. It's all still viable for future inclusion and can be done in a way that works the best. I imagine most of the more popular portions of the EU will end up being canon in one form or another.

Edited March 27, 2015 by Darth Punk

[ToaSalvus(lego)]

Making sense by declaring it null?

And yes, slurp, they are milking it. Because their own cash cow ran dry.

[AudiBobaR5-D2]

As myself haven't read the Thrawn Trilogy as of yet, but have heard quite a bit about it, on here and other places linked to Star Wars. Thought could be a starting point to the ST. I mean, only set a few years after the OT (might be illogical, especially since that most of OT cast is 30 years older), but they could bring in new characters, especially Thrawn etc to pose as the new threat to the galaxy, and possibly could span a decade or more afterwards (VIII and IX).

But since then, especially since this new approach by Disney with the likes of TFA, Rebels, Rogue One etc, I just find it a tad too much to release in a short amount of time, which is the fad these days of movies etc. Sure to keep peoples appetite fresh with new releases, but with Star Wars though, can't see it myself being a big 'hit' of releasing new movies every two years as an example. I know I shouldn't jump to conclusions etc before even watching TFA, Rebels etc, but that is why I don't watch something 'new' these days when it doesn't get me excited to watch them in the first place.

Edited March 29, 2015 by AudiBobaR5-D2

[Robianco]

Until the films come out and we have something to actually judge can I ask why people 'just don't like Disney'?

'I just don't' isn't a good enough reason or a particularly good argument for or against something.

Lucas has pretty much buggered up SW. He made three terrible prequels containing some of the worst character development I've ever seen and somehow managed to coax some extremely wooden performances from normally decent actors.

Lucas also did his best to ruin the OT by modifying it to his 'original vision'.

Isn't Disney at least looking to release the original theatrical releases of the OT? That's far more than most have done in retaining their legacy.

Lucas danced on the EU with the ridiculous and leaden introduction of little Boba without any care for his EU background.

If half the written EU was great but half wasn't then why pussyfoot around it? Just shelve it for now and introduce the stuff worth keeping as and when it's needed... As someone said... It's a fictional universe... It's still there so take what you need. I personally don't care about the myriad of Sith fighting styles someone has made up in a book or whether Maul was chosen for his aggression while being a generally weak force user... Great if you do but it's not important to me.

I think Disney's success or failure as custodians of the SW universe will be down to their cinematic releases and any future canon material. And let's not go down the 'Mickey Mouse will be Darth Vader' route either!

[ToaSalvus(lego)]

Why should I watch a film made by a company I'd dont care for?

Please quit hating on me for my opinion, I have done nothing to aggregate you. :(

[Robianco]

I wasn't hating on you... if anything I might question your age.

I would hope that on a forum with a minimum age of 18 someone might be able to offer up an opinion backed with a valid reason. I don't consider 'I just don't like Disney' as a valid reason, at least not without one or two reasons why they don't actually like Disney or why they feel they're not the right people to take SW forward.

'I just don't' is the reason my five year old gives me for not wanting to eat certain vegetables.

It's basically trolling, to me. It adds nothing to the conversation other than to provoke a reaction which I've unfortunately fallen for.

[ToaSalvus(lego)]

I am 19, and I do not wish to explain my distaste of DISNEY because I do not wish to upset the more emotionally fragil members located on this plastic brick system (aka legos) forum.

But if that's what you wish, I will pm you my reasons. But I cannot be responsible for any "butthurt" you might take from my reasons.

And might I add that your assumption that I am trolling you is rather short sighted and quite honestly offensive.

And I agree with your five year old, veggies are nasty. ;)

[Nom Carver]

I am 19, and I do not wish to explain my distaste of DISNEY because I do not wish to upset the more emotionally fragil members located on this plastic brick system (aka legos) forum.

I sort of get your point (being disney a media controlling and mind twisting behemoth) but you have to admit that that dreaded company has made a great job with the "Marvel" franchise, I wont be 100% satisfied either with whatever it may come to be of these new movies but I was already in disagree with most of the EU and PT stuff to the point I had to develop my own stories (after and before the OT), but that doesnt mean I wont be seeing the new movies or play new SW videogames, I recommend saving our judgement until we see the final product, there is no need to be an "extremist" or a "fundamentalist" hard core old school fan, I respect your position but invite you to give an opportunity to these new movies, after all it cant be worst than the PT (and that was 100% Lucas), and if it is, go ahead and restructure the SW universe to your fitting.

[ToaSalvus(lego)]

The PT wasn't that bad.

And I do not care for marvel (or any super hero stuff) so I cannot say anything about its accusation by disney.

[Ultron]

What's with the Disney hate? You should be lucky they're reviving the franchise that was dying in Lucas's hands. Ungrateful, like most Star Wars fans.

[ToaSalvus(lego)]

Want a pm too?

Please quit acting like I'm some sort of heretic.

[Ultron]

Want a pm too?

Please quit acting like I'm some sort of heretic.

Then stop insulting people because they don't agree with your clearly biased view on Disney. Don't watch Episode 7. We will and I'm sure we'll enjoy it with or without your input.

Edited March 29, 2015 by Ultron

[ToaSalvus(lego)]

I'm not the one who's insulting.

[The Legonater]

I'm not the one who's insulting.

Quite the contrary, no one has said anything against you. We've merely been curious as to your clear hate for Disney, something you've been very adamant to bring up yet refuse to talk about. No one has meant it in an insulting tone. If you really do not wish to discuss it, then perhaps you shouldn't mention how much you hate Disney with nearly every post? Just my two cents, no need for argument or anything.

[Ultron]

I'm not the one who's insulting.

Calling the people who like Disney emotionally fragile is rude.

I am 19, and I do not wish to explain my distaste of DISNEY because I do not wish to upset the more emotionally fragil members located on this plastic brick system (aka legos) forum.

Clearly everyone is tired of you bashing Disney. Disney is doing us fans a solid with these movies so please stop with the hate crap.

[ToaSalvus(lego)]

i was not referring to DISNEY fans, just those on this forum who are emotionally fragile. (Which my many years of foruming has taught me is 50% of forumers.)

[Starrocks923]

i was not referring to DISNEY fans, just those on this forum who are emotionally fragile. (Which my many years of foruming has taught me is 50% of forumers.)

If you don't mind me joining this discussion, I'm somewhat intrigued by your comments. I'm not really a Disney "fan" for personal(Heck, just political) issues, but I have been consistently pleased with their movies. I admit to not enjoying Frozen(What a shame-I very much like the woman who was watching it with me, and she loves it!), but Guardians of the Galaxy, Cars and Toy Story are what I would call legitimately good movies. I found them exciting, their stories riveting, and their protagonists worth rooting for.

When I see the original ANH movie, my opinion of it does not drop after watching a prequel movie, or one of the slightly lackluster episodes of Star Wars Rebels. Even after watching the dreaded Holiday Special with Princess Leia singing, I look back at A New Hope and know that Star Wars is still there. Regardless of how much I enjoy The Force Awakens, it won't lessen how I view the OT.

Now, on your comment about emotionally fragile board members, I think you're on the wrong forum. There are certainly many other places with people who write strange fanfiction stories "shipping" seemingly random characters, but I only see mature users on this site. They may use emotes and capital letters to portray a fake reaction when they hear news or see an episode, but their care for the franchise is genuine.

I get the impression that you care about the franchise too, and don't want Disney to ruin it. That's good! But please remember to respect the users here. We're all humans, of course!

If you want someone to talk to about Disney and Star Wars, you are free to PM me.